knockon wrote: »

The thread is regarding the proposal to ban firearms. Farrells reply on the proposal was ill informed in my own opinion as his party are about to try and ban my sport. My reply is not sleaze, its a fact.

his party are not banning your sport, the AGS, is.

In a confrontation , you need support from people at the table.

let me put it simply

You fall behind in your loan repayments, you are called in by you bank manager for a chat to establish what can be done.

do you
(a) Put up photographs of him involved in a dodgy deal somewhere and then go in cheerily and say " whats the prob mate"?

(b) Meet him in the pub and say " I here you're a reasonable guy, fancy a pint".

Remember, whose looking for the favour.

knockon wrote: »

From Niall Collins TD Limerick - Fianna Fáil Justice Spokesman.
"Hi Knockon,
I'm fully aware of this issue as a concern to you and your colleagues.
I'm meeting next week with Des Crofton of the NARGC.
I can meet you at my clinic....etc"

Kieran O Donnell TD Limerick.

"I will meet you on Monday"

Met Niall Collins TD, Fianna Fail Justice spokesman today. He told me that the situation was not helped by his own party and Dermot Ahearn. He acknowledged the information regarding the proposals from DOJ/AGS and the fact that the info in our opinion is flawed. He is meeting the NARGC this week and he said they need to listen to what they have to say. He also mentioned a few of his own party whom are holders of firearms certificates who I wont be mentioning.

Just a heads up, The STAR (rag) has a 12 page pull out on gangland gun crime for the last 10 years in tomorrow's edition!! In light of the current proposals, depending on what way it's slanted it may be worth a look to see if there's any damage to the sport of shooting

83 elected representatives attend the meeting today in Buswells hotel

I met Kieran O Donnell TD Limerick today. I had a excellent 45 minute meeting. Not knowing much about our sport I gave him a bit of a whirlwind tour. I don't want to get too much into it only to say he was very interested in getting his teeth into it and he is going to revert to me in due course.

I think our elected reps don't give a b☆☆☆x about our plight. It's all about water.... and claiming unvouched expenses before Christmas.

Cass wrote: »

If it remains that way, and they are ousted before any changes then it's the next coalition/Government's headache. Might suit us both (shooters and Politicians). Some breathing room, and a chance to handle the matter properly.

True. But in the interim AGS will operate their own legislation and drive us to drink. Some of them reckon 'ultra vires' is why we use sunblock on a Summer's day.

Meeting in Cork today had nearly 150 attendees. Frightening the amount of people who are just hearing about this. Members of some different gun clubs there seem to have only heard about it in the last couple of days and said their clubs had no idea.

A spokesperson from the Sports Coalition was there. He apparently has it on good authority that this is just the beginning of a concerted effort from the AGS and the Minister for Justice to remove firearms almost completely from civilian hands.

Plans to abolish vermin control shooting, fox and pheasant hunting, deer hunting in anything other than .243 calibre and a few other things as well. Point made that farmers and those that think its mainly going to affect target shooters only need to realise that their sporting preference is in trouble too and all the talk of handguns and semi auto CFs is just a diversionary tactic to get the proposals through and then open the floodgates and get everybody else.

The support of the farming community and organisations is being sought and being regarded as a pretty vital bit of help needed to stop this.

I'm just reporting what was said tonight and can't make any claims to the veracity of what was said but everyone who spoke credentials seem sound so until I hear different I see no reason to doubt them.

regarding the meeting as buswells, seems it went very well and the 83 representatives who turned up were very supportive.

folks with regards to the suggestions, they have asked for , The sports collision says email firearms_inbox@justice.ie
However , A press releases from the oireachtas says sends to
Written submissions should be sent electronically by email (MS Word or equivalent) and should be received not later than 3pm on Friday 9th January 2015 at the following email address only firearmsreview@oireachtas.ie
I went with the one on the oireachtas website and got an auto email .If people are sending in suggestions, it might be worth sending it to both emails.
http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/mediazone/pressreleases/name-25313-en.html

Out of interest , of the 83 who showed , what parties did the consist of, ff ,fg, labour , independents, sf ,members of the dail , seanad , local council.Any breakdown on that from somebody that was there ??

yubabill1 wrote: »

Do you welcome the new AGS commissioner?

Poll in thejournal.ie

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-noirin-osullivan-garda-commissioner-1800217-Nov2014/

Will it make any difference to the shooting community?????

ReplY from Martin Heydon FG TD

Dear XXXXX

Thank you for taking the time to email me on this matter. I am very aware of this issue and have met many people involved in the shooting and gaming sports who have shared and highlighted their concerns to me.

As you mentioned, I attended a public meeting at Harbour House Sports Club at the invitation of Tommy O'Brien on Monday night of last week and I am visiting there again this Saturday. I also attended the briefing in Buswells by the Sports Coalition held on Tuesday.

Having taken on board the concerns highlighted to me I spoke at length to Minister Fitzgerald to explain the frustration that existed and the feeling that these changes were unfair, unjustified and were not being properly considered. I am happy that she has now extended the period for public consultation on the review document to the end of January which should allow more views from the public to be received.

I have also discussed the issue with my Fine Gael colleague David Stanton who is chairman of the all party Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice. His committee are also now holding a review of the proposals and they are separately looking for submissions from interested groups which will be considered by their committee in the New Year. They may also hold some public hearings to allow stakeholders the opportunity to put their views before the Committee. I am pushing that Tommy O'Brien and Harbour House Sports Club are given the opportunity to give a presentation to that committee.

The proposals are still under review by the Minister and her Department and therefore the work of the Justice Committee and the submissions received will all play a part in that review. They are not near a stage yet when politicians have any vote on them.

I would urge you and your sporting colleagues to actively take part in the consultation processes that are ongoing to allow your voices to be heard. For your convenience I have set out below the details for both consultation processes.

I will continue to keep in touch with members of the shooting community and to pass their views on to the Minister to try to ensure that whatever proposals are ultimately proposed are reasonable and fair.

Regards

Martin

1. Submissions on the Ministers Departmental review should be sent to : firearms_inbox@justice.ie or may be posted to
Crime 4, Department of Justice and Equality, 94 St. Stephen’s Green, Dublin 2. Closing dates for these submissions is 31 January 2015.

2. Submissions to the all party Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality chaired by David Stanton TD should be sent electronically by email
and should be received not later than 3pm on Friday 9th January 2015 to firearmsreview@oireachtas.ie

We are apprently causing some shock waves in the corridors of power,and the word is that the ruling party and Dear Leader wants this"made gone away " "fixed before the next general election." Could be a good sign or a bad sign.. Too early to tell.
Keep lobbying,phoning ,emailing,writing.
Never forgive,never forget :mad:

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

We are apprently causing some shock waves in the corridors of power,and the word is that the ruling party and Dear Leader wants this"made gone away " "fixed before the next general election." Could be a good sign or a bad sign.. Too early to tell.
Keep lobbying,phoning ,emailing,writing.
Never forgive,never forget :mad:

It's a good sign.:cool:

Zxthinger wrote: »

I don't see anyone willing to throw any other group to the lions.. Where are ye reading that! I think your reading between the lines a little too much.

Im not reading it on here Zxthinger!! It has come up in conversations i have had with shooters about the new proposals!!