Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

punisher5112 · 05-09-2014 8:51pm

The thing is a lot of people do not actually see as in their brain doesn't register there is an object as they are looking for car's, vans and trucks.

This theory has been put to a test and a lot failed to see any bike at all.

Voodoomelon · 05-09-2014 9:17pm

That M50 hard shoulder carry on is ridiculous. Bad education and poor enforcement is the problem there. Whilst it does happen the odd time, no one in the UK stops on the hard shoulder for no reason or uses it to filter around traffic.

Over here no one gives a sh1te. Gardaí are as much to blame as the twats that do it.

Iwannahurl · 05-09-2014 9:24pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

However, given the traffic officers report that they should have been visible for 7 seconds to each other that meant a visible distance of 303.5 meters ( 97mph = 43.36 m/s x 7 = 303.5 meters ) at a speed of 60 mph or 26.8 m/s that 303.5 meters would have taken 4.3 seconds longer to cover, that's 4.3 seconds to take evasive action , react or whatever

I hadn't seen your figures before posting my own.

You are correct: the significance of the motorcyclist's extreme speed of 156 km/h is that it drastically reduced the margin for error and practically guaranteed a fatal outcome in the event of a crash. Higher speed always -- always -- increases both crash risk and crash severity. Travelling on a motorbike at that speed on such a road was sending the risk factors off the scale entirely.

Of course the what-ifs are not much use in this particular instance. One man is dead, and another has to live with the consequences.

Sobanek · 05-09-2014 9:31pm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

That M50 hard shoulder carry on is ridiculous. Bad education and poor enforcement is the problem there. Whilst it does happen the odd time, no one in the UK stops on the hard shoulder for no reason or uses it to filter around traffic.

Over here no one gives a sh1te. Gardaí are as much to blame as the twats that do it.

HEY, SHUT UP :P

Spook_ie · 05-09-2014 10:55pm

RustyNut wrote: »

The facts are that the car driver just didnt look and so didnt see the biker. If it was a young lad on a moped buzzing up the same road at 40 mph and the car driver behaved the same then it would have been the young lad that went into the car. The speed of the biker made the outcome worse but it was 100% the car drivers actions that caused the colision as he admitted himself.

Never said it wasn't, what I did say was at the speed limit given the distance the police said they should have been visible at would have equated to an extra few seconds to avoid the car. 4.5 secs in this case could have potentially been a lifetime

12 element · 05-09-2014 11:21pm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

That M50 hard shoulder carry on is ridiculous. Bad education and poor enforcement is the problem there. Whilst it does happen the odd time, no one in the UK stops on the hard shoulder for no reason or uses it to filter around traffic.

Over here no one gives a sh1te. Gardaí are as much to blame as the twats that do it.

There are plenty of videos on youtube of people in the UK driving on the hard shoulders in similar situations so it's not just an Irish thing.

05-09-2014 11:47pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Going even faster would just have meant that the accident would likely have happened elsewhere.

However, given the traffic officers report that they should have been visible for 7 seconds to each other that meant a visible distance of 303.5 meters ( 97mph = 43.36 m/s x 7 = 303.5 meters ) at a speed of 60 mph or 26.8 m/s that 303.5 meters would have taken 4.3 seconds longer to cover, that's 4.3 seconds to take evasive action , react or whatever

4.3 seconds, the car could have cleared the junction in that time, a near miss rather than a direct hit!
From what I could see the car driver was already committed to making the turn but was very slow off the mark as he hadn't seen the bike.

cormie · 06-09-2014 12:19am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muLl7jWJpeE

NCPS immobilised by Gardai and an AA vehicle broken down :pac:

huggs2 · 06-09-2014 12:37pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU

finnharpsboy · 06-09-2014 3:50pm

1. Back door open. 2. Foot path mounter 3. Corner cutter

dickwod1 · 06-09-2014 5:31pm

Kramer · 06-09-2014 9:09pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q4boGh9hcI

Biker OK as far as I know, minor injuries.

K.Flyer · 06-09-2014 10:27pm

huggs2 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU

That was hilarious, totally unexpected

wolfyboy555 · 07-09-2014 8:48pm

My first few clips with the SJ4000 as a dash cam.

Tzardine · 07-09-2014 11:30pm

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG-oPPdZl4

bladebrew · 07-09-2014 11:33pm

^^ brilliant clip there, I often wondered how people crashed into each other when they are all driving the same direction!

Tzardine · 07-09-2014 11:42pm

bladebrew wrote: »

^^ brilliant clip there, I often wondered how people crashed into each other when they are all driving the same direction!

Tailgating man. We are one of the worst places for it.

n0brain3r · 07-09-2014 11:42pm

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG-oPPdZl4

Holy **** thank god you're ok!

Thoie · 07-09-2014 11:42pm

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

Was this the one?

https://twitter.com/aaroadwatch/status/508546770906136576

Tzardine · 07-09-2014 11:44pm

Thoie wrote: »

Was this the one?

https://twitter.com/aaroadwatch/status/508546770906136576

Yup thats the one. Caused some traffic, especially with the match on. All 3 cars were Tipperary folk on way to Croke Park.

pablo128 · 07-09-2014 11:47pm

Tzardine wrote: »

Tailgating man. We are one of the worst places for it.

I only drove back that road from Cork this evening. Leaving Cork there was a tosser tailgating me at 75 mph. After a few miles I'd had enough and cranked it up over 100 mph, but he stayed with me. I slowed down, and so did he. Only when I slowed to 50 mph did he overtake me and p1ss off.

BMJD · 07-09-2014 11:51pm

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG-oPPdZl4

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

glad you're ok sir!

Voodoomelon · 08-09-2014 12:11am

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

Great clip (in dashcam terms). Hopefully there were no kids in the Volvo (i think?), must have been frightening to lift in the air like that.

The rate of deceleration is very apparent if you look at how quickly the estate on the left moves past. Poor awareness and tailgating looks to be the cause.

wonski · 08-09-2014 12:18am

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Great clip (in dashcam terms). Hopefully there were no kids in the Volvo (i think?), must have been frightening to lift in the air like that.

The rate of deceleration is very apparent if you look at how quickly the estate on the left moves past. Poor awareness and tailgating looks to be the cause.

Spot on. Leaving the tailgater aside the driver on the left should slow down seeing the car on the right braking - I always try to avoid going side by side with cars on the right. Not blaming him at all btw, just pointing out.

This is the most dangerous irish dash cam I have seen in this thread btw. Glad to see the OP did just fine to avoid the danger. I do hope everyone else was fine.

Thoie · 08-09-2014 10:04am

wonski wrote: »

Spot on. Leaving the tailgater aside the driver on the left should slow down seeing the car on the right braking - I always try to avoid going side by side with cars on the right. Not blaming him at all btw, just pointing out.

This is the most dangerous irish dash cam I have seen in this thread btw. Glad to see the OP did just fine to avoid the danger. I do hope everyone else was fine.

I'd completely blame the tailgater. The guy on the left's brake lights come on very quickly after the tailgater's does (milliseconds in the difference). At that point he'd already been overtaken by the two cars (though just barely). There's nothing to say whether the first overtaking car actually braked or just slowed down.

For all those people out there who drive up the arse of other cars at 120kph+, and don't leave a 2+ second gap "because I've got great reactions and can totally handle it - my car's got all the bells and whistles, and I'm like a superhero" - watch this video over and over and over again, and next time hang back from the car in front, no matter how much faster you could be going if they'd just get out of *your* lane.

gutteruu · 08-09-2014 10:11am

Thoie wrote: »

For all those people out there who drive up the arse of other cars at 120kph+, and don't leave a 2+ second gap "because I've got great reactions and can totally handle it - my car's got all the bells and whistles, and I'm like a superhero" - watch this video over and over and over again, and next time hang back from the car in front, no matter how much faster you could be going if they'd just get out of *your* lane.

I think most people tailgate because they are terrified someone will slot in the gap they left in front of them. The usual 'don't let anyone get the better of me' irish driver.

On a different note people need to learn to use their hazzards when coming to a stop on a motorway. Drove up behind a row of parked cars in dark wet conditions the other day. A grey car with no lights on parked right in the middle of a dark wet motorway.

bear1 · 08-09-2014 10:13am

I feel bad for all of those involved, even the tailgater.
That being said, I wonder why the Volvo veered to the left rather than the right.
Luckily no one seems have been injured and the Avensis seemed to take the knock quite well but it was quite exciting to watch in a weird sort of way.

bear1 · 08-09-2014 10:29am

OSI wrote: »

I think he was pissed at the Avensis holding him up so decided to try and bomb down the inside with the resultant testosterone fuelled neglect to check his mirrors and blind spot.

If that would be the case then I seriously hope his/her next insurance premium will reflect their idiocy.

slimjimmc · 08-09-2014 10:32am

OSI wrote: »

I think he was pissed at the Avensis holding him up so decided to try and bomb down the inside with the resultant testosterone fuelled neglect to check his mirrors and blind spot.

His brake lights came on moments beforehand so more likely he realised he couldn't stop in time and swerved avoid rear-ending the car in front.

danger_mouse_tm · 08-09-2014 10:35am

Let's hope the above link works this time. I've got a gw1 camera mounted in the dash of my Volvo FH9. It's quite shaky (especially with an empty trailer) as the mount I received with it is angled too far down for a perfectly vertical windshield so I am using a gooseneck phone mount.

deandean · 08-09-2014 10:42am

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

Cripes that was crazy. WELL DONE Tzardine on avoiding the melee. It shows why it's so very important to keep that 2+ second gap (minimum) to the vehicle in front.

Thoie · 08-09-2014 10:44am

gutteruu wrote: »

I think most people tailgate because they are terrified someone will slot in the gap they left in front of them. The usual 'don't let anyone get the better of me' irish driver.

I can *kind* of understand that in stop/start city traffic, where there's always some cute hoor bombing up the bus lane to try and skip in front at the traffic lights, but not on a national road/dual carriageway/motorway at speeds in excess of 80kph. There's absolutely no excuse for it there, and it's rarely designed to prevent someone getting in front of them.

The last experience I have of being tailgated was in a similar situation to the video - I was overtaking three cars on the motorway that were, say, doing 110kph. A car pulled out in front of me doing 115kph (for example), so it was taking forever to overtake the cars on the inside. A car came up behind me, doing the speed I'd have liked to have been doing, and sat on my back bumper, flashing his lights and making rude gestures. There was nowhere for me to go - three cars on my inside, one in front of me, all I could do was maintain my speed and distance from the car in front until I had cleared the cars in the driving lane, and then mirror, signal, mirror, check blindspot, then move across. As the rear car managed to pass me, the passenger made a gun gesture at me, all because I had nowhere to go.

PauloMN · 08-09-2014 10:54am

Tzardine wrote: »

Yup thats the one. Caused some traffic, especially with the match on. All 3 cars were Tipperary folk on way to Croke Park.

Mental clip, glad you are ok. You did well to avoid it all, especially the Avensis when it ended up facing you, but that was down to you keeping a safe distance and having good reactions. Must be even scarier to see that stuff on two wheels rather than four.

Out of interest, have the guards requested the cam footage? Or did any of the drivers involved do so?

Kenny Logins · 08-09-2014 11:11am

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

I think you did well to keep your cool there. Nice one.

RainyDay · 08-09-2014 1:00pm

bear1 wrote: »

If that would be the case then I seriously hope his/her next insurance premium will reflect their idiocy.

They will if the insurance company find the dash-cam clip. Might be worth tagging registration numbers to help them.

Tzardine · 08-09-2014 1:09pm

PauloMN wrote: »

Out of interest, have the guards requested the cam footage? Or did any of the drivers involved do so?

Gardai came. She was surprised to hear that I had a dash cam on the bike.

Gave her my details etc but there she has no need for the footage really. Nobody hurt so its just an insurance matter.

Told the drivers of the 3 cars that I had the footage and gave them my details. I expect the insurance company will be on to me for a copy.

Volvo guy was simply too close to the Toyota. Toyota started to brake as the traffic ahead was slowing down. Volvo did not see this until it was too late. Tried to get out of it by going left but had no where to go.

From my point of view what was going ahead in front of me was not the scary part. Stopping power on the bike is much greater than the cars. I was worried about the guy behind me running me over. Play the clip in HD and look at the reflection in my speedo on the left. You can see I break and start to move left but I cop the guy behind me. He was inches from me so I had to let off the breaks and take my chances with what was going on in front of me.

Pretty scary stuff that I didnt really appreciate how close it was until I looked at the video.

All is well that ends well. Nobody hurt, thankfully, as the 3 cars all had young kids in them.

CramCycle · 08-09-2014 1:15pm

Tzardine wrote: »

Gave her my details etc but there she has no need for the footage really. Nobody hurt so its just an insurance matter.

That's the bit that annoys me, tailgating is dangerous driving, stupidity aside, it is a road traffic offence. The tailgater should be fined and given points as a minimum.

Admittedly though I am just glad no one was critically injured, but using that as an excuse to effectively ignore the dangerous driving is astonishing.

bear1 · 08-09-2014 1:35pm

Was there much damage done to the cars? I'd imagine the Volvo got the worst of it.
I'm also curious, how did the drivers react to the Volvo driver? Anger?

Tzardine · 08-09-2014 1:51pm

bear1 wrote: »

I'm also curious, how did the drivers react to the Volvo driver? Anger?

Everybody was calm. No anger towards the Volvo driver. Nobody seemed to know what happened to be honest. Nobody was blaming the Volvo driver........YET !

Sterling Archer · 08-09-2014 1:55pm

Tzardine wrote: »

So. This happened to me today. A change of trousers was needed.

Great bit of driving from you there, especially on a bike, not panicking and trying to stop as fast as possible, I can see what you mean by looking at the speedo.

On a lighter note, not a bad pit maneuver.

Paulw · 08-09-2014 6:13pm

Captured this on my way home from work today. This guy didn't really care about red lights -

Skipping lanes at the next lights too to get home. Hopefully he didn't hit anyone. :eek:

Jawgap · 08-09-2014 7:40pm

in fairness he / she was driving a beamer.....;)

breghall · 08-09-2014 7:44pm

damn cyclists, no respect for rules of the road....

BMJD · 08-09-2014 7:51pm

maybe he was dying for a ****e

Voodoomelon · 08-09-2014 7:54pm

Tzardine wrote: »

Stopping power on the bike is much greater than the cars.

Can I ask what bike you have, and what car was behind you? Is it not the case that modern cars stop just as well as bikes? I'd imagine any advantage a bike has in braking is down to reaction time and the riders ability, more than an actual physical advantage.

Not questioning your ability, just curious, you did well to avoid an accident.

dashcamdanny · 08-09-2014 9:09pm

Most have been the full moon . The driving I seen all day while working in Dublin today was terrible.

Prime example. 05 TN 2255 Yaris speeds up the inside of the bus in the wrong lane and breaks a Red light (by a good 3 seconds), into an 80KPH road at the Tallaght bypass .

Completely blind as the bus was blocking the view.
What a moron.

In HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yf0GX3A8d0

bear1 · 08-09-2014 9:20pm

I don't know what's more amazing.
The Yaris undertaking a bus in a left hand lane only and then proceeding straight ahead through a red light or.....

Someone actually driving a Yaris faster than 50kph.
Tricky one.

dashcamdanny · 08-09-2014 9:27pm

bear1 wrote: »

I don't know what's more amazing.
The Yaris undertaking a bus in a left hand lane only and then proceeding straight ahead through a red light or.....

Someone actually driving a Yaris faster than 50kph.
Tricky one.

If there was ever a car you would not want to be T boned in. It would be a Yaris.

May as well stick 4 coke tins to each arm.

Tea drinker · 08-09-2014 10:44pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I only drove back that road from Cork this evening. Leaving Cork there was a tosser tailgating me at 75 mph. After a few miles I'd had enough and cranked it up over 100 mph, but he stayed with me. I slowed down, and so did he. Only when I slowed to 50 mph did he overtake me and p1ss off.

I call them klingons. Irritating stuff allright.

I ordered one of these on the 21st, still no sign but tbh didn't expect ot before now:
http://www.amazon.com/E-PRANCE-GT680W-Advanced-Dashboard-G-sensor/dp/B00FQFHZAC
GT680W Advanced WDR Car Dashboard Camera With 140 Degree Lens + GPS Logger + FULL HD 1080P + Super Night Vision + G-sensor

Cerco · 08-09-2014 10:52pm

Paulw wrote: »

Captured this on my way home from work today. This guy didn't really care about red lights.

Skipping lanes at the next lights too to get home. Hopefully he didn't hit anyone. :eek:

Probably your music drove them to it

Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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