Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

AlmightyCushion · 27-02-2012 7:14pm

bealtine wrote: »

Solair wrote: »

Considering that not much more than a decade ago, eircom seemed to think there was no demand for broadband, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting around for them. If they'd had their way we'd all be on time, and dial up and ISDN in 2012!

Eircom doesn't really have a tracking record of being visionary or market leading. It's usually been the technology laggard.

In this limited case competition has stung eircom into action,UPC have been eating their lunch (and dinner too) with the UPC "fibre" rollout so eircom have to enable areas outside the main urban areas, Letterkenny and Wexford, areas not targeted by UPC.

Of course eircom will massively overcharge for the fibre products and then proclaim there to be no takeup...

The prices quoted so far weren't bad value for money if I remember right.

Gonzo · 27-02-2012 8:24pm

I'd love to see this technology come to Dunshaughlin in County Meath, i am 2km from the exchange and struggling to hit 7meg, Eircom wont upgrade me to ADSL2+ even tho im on an ngn exchange. nothing will improve my speed till fttc comes here and even if it does im not guaranteed that a box would be placed nearer my home giving me higher speeds. I'd be happy for 10meg even. I reckon it will be at least 3 years before Eircom roll out this service here.

bealtine · 27-02-2012 8:50pm

Gonzo wrote: »

I'd love to see this technology come to Dunshaughlin in County Meath, i am 2km from the exchange and struggling to hit 7meg, Eircom wont upgrade me to ADSL2+ even tho im on an ngn exchange. nothing will improve my speed till fttc comes here and even if it does im not guaranteed that a box would be placed nearer my home giving me higher speeds. I'd be happy for 10meg even. I reckon it will be at least 3 years before Eircom roll out this service here.

You may love it to happen but don't hold your breath:)It will happen eventually.

At 7mbs you are better than the majority of people on DSL and mobile.

arctan · 27-02-2012 10:40pm

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

What happens when you have a place like Mountain Top, 3 km outside Letterkenny yet might not have a cabinet serving it until you reach the edge of the town? (This is a hypothetical situation and Mountain Top probably has a cabinet) The N56 has ducting running the whole way along but will eircom place VDSL equipment where the people actually live or will they take the lazy option and enable a cabinet which only serves people over 1km away?? This is a regular scenario in regional towns.

In theory, any location where ducting exists with fibre and power in place would be a good spot for these VDSL cabinets. All that would be needed is about a hundred or so lines of a mile length or less to be connected to the cabinet. There's no point just enabling all 38 cabinets if they're not close to new housing estates on the outskirts of towns etc.

Also, I don't think 56k was ever regarded as an adequate solution from like the mid 90s onwards. Heck, the simpsons took the mickey out of dialup. There were killer apps that meant people clearly benefited from Mbps speeds. Past 20 mbps download speeds, upload speeds become relatively more important. Cloud applications rely on this and I'm not sure something like 100Mb/8Mb would be as welcome as 20Mb/20Mb. VDSL is not so useful at providing that as GPON fibre is.

my point was, if the 38 CCP's were changed over there would be very few existing customers left out of the system upgrade ... obviously Eircom will enable or install new cabs at sites with the most possible connections, hence revenue

as for 56K, solution wasnt the idea, it was what an awful lot of people could only get/afford in Ireland 10 years ago, and there was no real push for broadband until 2003/2004

Contrarian · 28-02-2012 1:20pm

eircom Standalone Fibre pricing p/m inc VAT (available at Dundrum, Priory Park, Sandyford and Wexford)

25Mb/8Mb - €40 (FTTC/FTTH)
50Mb/20Mb - €50 (FTTC/FTTH)
150Mb/30Mb - €60 (FTTH)

also fibre/VoIP bundles starting at € 40

Cantona's Collars · 28-02-2012 1:48pm

Contrarian wrote: »

eircom Standalone Fibre pricing p/m inc VAT (available at Dundrum, Priory Park, Sandyford and Wexford)

25Mb/8Mb - €40 (FTTC/FTTH)
50Mb/20Mb - €50 (FTTC/FTTH)
150Mb/30Mb - €60 (FTTH)

also fibre/VoIP bundles starting at € 40

For anyone with a bit of cop on those aren't bad prices considering what the alternative is(ouside UPC areas).The problem in Wexford is the sheer amount of people who go with the alternative 'cos it's cheaper even if it's rubbish.I can't get my head around that mentality.

I recently upgraded my service,nothing wrong with my old one but for €2.50 extra a month I now get 8mb instead of 2.The missus couldn't get her head around this and her usual comment was "ah sure wasn't the old one grand"

stevenf17 · 28-02-2012 1:59pm

Found this presentation on NGN site
http://www.nextgenerationnetwork.ie/downloads/rollout_programme_overview/nga_rollout_presentation.ppt

Slide 13 shows where there thinking of rolling out FTTC to!

D'Peoples Voice · 28-02-2012 2:02pm

Contrarian wrote: »

eircom Standalone Fibre pricing p/m inc VAT (available at Dundrum, Priory Park, Sandyford and Wexford)

25Mb/8Mb - €40 (FTTC/FTTH)
50Mb/20Mb - €50 (FTTC/FTTH)
150Mb/30Mb - €60 (FTTH)

also fibre/VoIP bundles starting at € 40

How many people are willing to pay €50 - €60 per month for broadband?
this might give you a clue (
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rate-of-health-insurance-dropout-doubles-in-2011-541484.html)

Even €40 is high for some people,
when a large minority of people still think that mobile broadband is sufficient for emails and social media, and costs around €15 per month.
Still I expect a massive take-up of the 25Mb/8Mb, and a small take-up of the more expensive packages.

bealtine · 28-02-2012 2:22pm

Contrarian wrote: »

eircom Standalone Fibre pricing p/m inc VAT (available at Dundrum, Priory Park, Sandyford and Wexford)

25Mb/8Mb - €40 (FTTC/FTTH)
50Mb/20Mb - €50 (FTTC/FTTH)
150Mb/30Mb - €60 (FTTH)

also fibre/VoIP bundles starting at € 40

I still think €40 is a bit too expensive for a basic offering in comparison to what UPC are offering similar 20Mbs service for. But it's not as bad as I expected:)

AlmightyCushion · 28-02-2012 2:28pm

zerks wrote: »

For anyone with a bit of cop on those aren't bad prices considering what the alternative is(ouside UPC areas).The problem in Wexford is the sheer amount of people who go with the alternative 'cos it's cheaper even if it's rubbish.I can't get my head around that mentality.

I recently upgraded my service,nothing wrong with my old one but for €2.50 extra a month I now get 8mb instead of 2.The missus couldn't get her head around this and her usual comment was "ah sure wasn't the old one grand"

It's not just wexford, it's everywhere. A lot of people just see the price tag and go with the cheapest one regardless of if it's awful or not. If you told them about these packages they'd laugh at them and call them a rip off. 10 minutes later they'd be complaining about their mobile broadband being slow.

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

How many people are willing to pay €50 - €60 per month for broadband?
this might give you a clue (
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rate-of-health-insurance-dropout-doubles-in-2011-541484.html)

Even €40 is high for some people,
when a large minority of people still think that mobile broadband is sufficient for emails and social media, and costs around €15 per month.
Still I expect a massive take-up of the 25Mb/8Mb, and a small take-up of the more expensive packages.

The packages aren't as cheap as mobile broadband but they are still decent value for money, better value for money than mobile broadband. I'd gladly pay more for a good connection and as more people start using online services like netflix, xbox live etc. they'll appreciate a fast stable connection and will happily chuck their 3G dongle in the bin once they see the difference between the two.

Praetorian · 28-02-2012 2:44pm

stevenf17 wrote: »

Found this presentation on NGN site
http://www.nextgenerationnetwork.ie/downloads/rollout_programme_overview/nga_rollout_presentation.ppt

Slide 13 shows where there thinking of rolling out FTTC to!

4 years is a very long time to just catch up with everywhere else in Europe. Anyone put a guess on what such a rollout will cost? Do Eircom have the money?

Are upc ever going to go anywhere where they currently don't have cable?

lucernarian · 28-02-2012 3:58pm

arctan wrote: »

my point was, if the 38 CCP's were changed over there would be very few existing customers left out of the system upgrade ... obviously Eircom will enable or install new cabs at sites with the most possible connections, hence revenue

as for 56K, solution wasnt the idea, it was what an awful lot of people could only get/afford in Ireland 10 years ago, and there was no real push for broadband until 2003/2004

There was no real push for broadband until eircom lowered prices and recognised that people would want broadband sooner or later (Especially as web services inevitably took advantage of the internet more). ISDN was excessively pushed by eircom thanks to the massive amounts TÉ had invested in it and as a result they did not want to drop their strategy and use flat rate pricing.

bk · 28-02-2012 6:07pm

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

There was no real push for broadband until eircom lowered prices and recognised that people would want broadband sooner or later (Especially as web services inevitably took advantage of the internet more). ISDN was excessively pushed by eircom thanks to the massive amounts TÉ had invested in it and as a result they did not want to drop their strategy and use flat rate pricing.

What pushed Eircom, was Ireland Off Line going to the minister of communications at the time Dermot Ahern and convincing him that he could instruct the Telecoms Regulator to force Eircom to introduce flat rate dial up internet access called FRIACO.

FRIACO killed Eircoms dial up business model and they dropped the price of ADSL BB from €110 to €55 per month and started a wider roll out of BB almost within weeks of being forced to introduce FRIACO.

arctan · 28-02-2012 6:22pm

good ol' ISDN ... I remember my science teacher having a dedicated second line for it and saying it's the wave of the future ... two years later broadband was installed and pissed all over it haha

lucernarian · 28-02-2012 6:34pm

bk wrote: »

What pushed Eircom, was Ireland Off Line going to the minister of communications at the time Dermot Ahern and convincing him that he could instruct the Telecoms Regulator to force Eircom to introduce flat rate dial up internet access called FRIACO.

FRIACO killed Eircoms dial up business model and they dropped the price of ADSL BB from €110 to €55 per month and started a wider roll out of BB almost within weeks of being forced to introduce FRIACO.

I don't think the uptake of DSL over 2001 to 2006 correlates with the FRIACO announcement. The "surf the summer for free" promotion during the summer of 2004 (if I remember correctly) helped improve takeup more noticeably if you look at the charts of the time.

Also, I'm open to be corrected with evidence on this part but I thought that soon after residential DSL products became available in the Dublin area, eircom announced it would be expanded to cover all "towns" (population centres >1500 people) in Ireland and that it was only some amount of time after that was completed that we saw moves to enable larger villages around Ireland. And it wasn't until Babcock and Brown / Piere Danon that any real kind of effort was made to deal with pairgains and decrepit plant maintenance (2006 to economic recession).

Liamario · 28-02-2012 6:53pm

Is line rental included in those prices?

Contrarian · 28-02-2012 7:16pm

there is no PSTN line involved in the stand alone fibre packages. The fibre & voice bundles start at € 40 for 25Mb and free weekend calls over VoIP so again no line rental is involved. You can however decide to keep your PSTN line open seperately if you wanted to get 2 bills!

Freddie59 · 28-02-2012 7:19pm

Contrarian wrote: »

there is no PSTN line involved in the stand alone fibre packages. The fibre & voice bundles start at € 40 for 25Mb and free weekend calls over VoIP so again no line rental is involved. You can however decide to keep your PSTN line open seperately if you wanted to get 2 bills!

As opposed to:

http://www.upc.ie/deals/favourites/

Contrarian · 28-02-2012 7:31pm

Looking at that, the UPC entry level package is 50c more expensive but you get off peak calls all week and international calls if you are so inclined. This is on a contended network however of 17:1 and from my experience telco grade VoIP would also be a superior offering.

Freddie59 · 28-02-2012 8:15pm

Contrarian wrote: »

Looking at that, the UPC entry level package is 50c more expensive but you get off peak calls all week and international calls if you are so inclined. This is on a contended network however of 17:1 and from my experience telco grade VoIP would also be a superior offering.

Define Telco grade. I've got VoIP from Blueface over UPC Broadband and it's perfect.:) And 30 Megs BB at all times. Doesn't get much better.

Contrarian · 28-02-2012 8:47pm

Telco or Carrier-grade means that when you dial a number, you get through to the number you dialed. It means that when you finish dialing, the phone at the other end starts ringing within two to three seconds. It means that
when someone answers and conversation takes place, the speech quality is very high, without any perceptible echo, noticeable delay, or annoying noise on the line.
In terms of the network, these requirements translate to systems that are fully redundant, in some cases self-healing, highly scalable, and manageable. They mean compliance with numerous technical specifications to ensure interoperability with other networks. They also imply a highly skilled network maintenance organization, on duty around the clock, and ready to respond to a network problem in an instant.

Sponge Bob · 28-02-2012 10:38pm

arctan wrote: »

my point was, if the 38 CCP's were changed over there would be very few existing customers left out of the system upgrade ... obviously Eircom will enable or install new cabs at sites with the most possible connections, hence revenue

All i would ask is that the cab on The edge of Letterkenny be an ADSL2 AND A VDSL CAB...in order to drive longhaul on existing copper.

jay93 · 28-02-2012 10:58pm

ADSL is such a crap tech tough.

Yeah VDSL and ADSL2 other than that plain auld ADSL aint great also the limitation and length of most Eircom lines in Ireland makes them worse than the likes of Wireless and 3G.

Freddie59 · 28-02-2012 10:58pm

Contrarian wrote: »

Telco or Carrier-grade means that when you dial a number, you get through to the number you dialed. It means that when you finish dialing, the phone at the other end starts ringing within two to three seconds. It means that
when someone answers and conversation takes place, the speech quality is very high, without any perceptible echo, noticeable delay, or annoying noise on the line.
In terms of the network, these requirements translate to systems that are fully redundant, in some cases self-healing, highly scalable, and manageable. They mean compliance with numerous technical specifications to ensure interoperability with other networks. They also imply a highly skilled network maintenance organization, on duty around the clock, and ready to respond to a network problem in an instant.

Sounds definitely like Blueface to me.:D I also made a call on a UPC landline the other day. Equally as good. So all of Eircom's systems are fully redundant then?

arctan · 28-02-2012 11:00pm

Contrarian wrote: »

Telco or Carrier-grade means that when you dial a number, you get through to the number you dialed. It means that when you finish dialing, the phone at the other end starts ringing within two to three seconds. It means that
when someone answers and conversation takes place, the speech quality is very high, without any perceptible echo, noticeable delay, or annoying noise on the line.
In terms of the network, these requirements translate to systems that are fully redundant, in some cases self-healing, highly scalable, and manageable. They mean compliance with numerous technical specifications to ensure interoperability with other networks. They also imply a highly skilled network maintenance organization, on duty around the clock, and ready to respond to a network problem in an instant.

they also have power back up so when the ESB goes the network doesnt go with it

arctan · 28-02-2012 11:53pm

jay93 wrote: »

ADSL is such a crap tech tough.

Yeah VDSL and ADSL2 other than that plain auld ADSL aint great also the limitation and length of most Eircom lines in Ireland makes them worse than the likes of Wireless and 3G.

I really do think that this whole speed thing is one big delusion when comparing wireless to fixed .... especially when the wireless has ridiculous ping times (normal is what, 100 -150 ms if in good coverage ?) but as long as most people have 7 or so megs in their speed test they're happy :pac:

daffy_duc · 29-02-2012 12:14am

arctan wrote: »

especially when the wireless has ridiculous ping times (normal is what, 100 -150 ms if in good coverage ?)

Careful now, you're writing off an entire concept based on a single implementation.
My wireless link at home has better ping times than my FTTH link.

Don't you know that High Frequency trading firms are starting to look into using Wireless because the latency is lower than fibre?

arctan · 29-02-2012 12:25am

always open to correction ! what system are you using and who is your FTTH provider ? curious now

bealtine · 29-02-2012 12:28am

arctan wrote: »

especially when the wireless has ridiculous ping times (normal is what, 100 -150 ms if in good coverage ?)

You are confusing mobile with fixed wireless which while superficially similar technologies are really two different things entirely. A good FWA installation can have excellent ping times sometimes even better than your average DSL or cable connection. Mobile has miserable ping times that is true.

daffy_duc · 29-02-2012 12:30am

arctan wrote: »

always open to correction ! what system are you using and who is your FTTH provider ? curious now

IBB Breeze 6MB has lower latencies than my Magnet FTTH 150mbit

arctan · 29-02-2012 12:30am

sort of generalised, apologies, my statement was in regards to the likes of your o2, 3g, meteor wireless broadband etc...

FWA will be obsolete by the summer, FCS is replacing it (essentially meteor broadband)

arctan · 29-02-2012 12:33am

daffy_duc wrote: »

IBB Breeze 6MB has lower latencies than my Magnet FTTH 150mbit

interesting ... would love to have a sit down and see what's going on there alright ...

the Magnet FTTH ... is it on Magnet's network, or one of the Eircom FTTH trial areas ?

ping wise, what are the times you'd be looking at ?

bealtine · 29-02-2012 12:37am

arctan wrote: »

sort of generalised, apologies, my statement was in regards to the likes of your o2, 3g, meteor wireless broadband etc...

FWA will be obsolete by the summer, FCS is replacing it (essentially meteor broadband)

What's FCS? Any form of mobile technology is plagued by high pings and uncontrolled contention. Just look at imagine wimax with it's ridiculously erratic ping times.

arctan · 29-02-2012 12:39am

Fixed cellular solution,

again this is from Eircom's perspective, they're selling off their spectrum allocation for FWA ....

you'll still get certain types of FWA from independent operators

Solair · 29-02-2012 12:51am

There's a lot of confusion out there about wireless technologies.

I know I've spoken to people who were completely amazed that FWA existed and had assumed broadband had to come through your landline to be any good.

There are many cases, particularly in rural areas, but also in marginal areas of big cities/towns where FWA is FAR superior to DSL if you're on a long line / edge of an exchange's served area.

funnyname · 29-02-2012 12:59am

arctan wrote: »

sort of generalised, apologies, my statement was in regards to the likes of your o2, 3g, meteor wireless broadband etc...

FWA will be obsolete by the summer, FCS is replacing it (essentially meteor broadband)

So is that fwa that eircom provided will be gone or all fwa providers?

daffy_duc · 29-02-2012 8:37am

arctan wrote: »

the Magnet FTTH ... is it on Magnet's network, or one of the Eircom FTTH trial areas ?
ping wise, what are the times you'd be looking at ?

Yep, Eircom FTTH wholesaled by Magnet.
To keep things fair, pings to INEX on each differ by around 8ms. With the FTTH being highest at about 11ms.

bk · 29-02-2012 11:18am

Contrarian wrote: »

Looking at that, the UPC entry level package is 50c more expensive but you get off peak calls all week and international calls if you are so inclined. This is on a contended network however of 17:1 and from my experience telco grade VoIP would also be a superior offering.

Lots of misinformation here.

First of all, all internet networks are contended. Yes even Eircoms FTTC. While Eircom FTTC won't have contention on the last mile due to being point to point, it will certainly have contention in the backhaul network, switches, international transit, etc.

Ironically Eircoms FTTH is not actually point to point in the last mile, it is actually point to multipoint and is similar to cable in the last mile and therefore also has contention in the last mile.

Contention in itself isn't a bad thing, in fact it is a good thing, the question should be, is the contention well managed so the customer never notices it.

As for telco grade VoIP, while UPC maybe a cableco, I can assure you they are using "telco" grade VoIP hardware similar to Eircom.

Remember UPC is one of the largest telcos in Europe, much larger then Eircom, they know what they are doing.

Sponge Bob · 29-02-2012 11:43pm

eircoms FTTC plans are as extensive as 200 exchanges and nearly all of them in urbanisations of 5000 or more. They may throw in a few extras as a sop with which to haggle for government funding for sub 5000 person urbanisations and rural areas.

The program will not reach as widely as the current ADSL2+ program which is nearing completion.

FCS is a POTS only solution. It is supplie instead of copper and it does not supply anything faster than dialup ( over GPRS or EDGE). Complete rubbish.

Solair · 01-03-2012 1:17am

funnyname wrote: »

So is that fwa that eircom provided will be gone or all fwa providers?

It's whatever eircom were providing. I didn't even think they really bothered much with FWA, even though they had licenses for it.

I can assure, the other FWA companies are here to stay. Just bear in mind that they use different technologies and offer quite drastically different service.

Solair · 01-03-2012 1:32am

Contrarian wrote: »

Looking at that, the UPC entry level package is 50c more expensive but you get off peak calls all week and international calls if you are so inclined. This is on a contended network however of 17:1 and from my experience telco grade VoIP would also be a superior offering.

Having used UPC's telephone service, it is actually a superior offering to an eircom landline in many ways.

1) Sound quality is 100% perfect (no long analogue line). It's totally digital from the phone port onwards.
2) The network is setup with QOS prioritization for voice, so it does not cause any issue with calls. Also, there's pretty huge bandwidth the local coax networks, and lots of fibre backhaul points so overall, contention shouldn't really be much of an issue. There's loads of capacity.
3) It's not like your typical VoIP service, calls complete on last digit dialed etc. Dial plans are all set up perfectly.
4) It has a much better range of services than eircom:
Anonymous call rejection (gives a message to anyone calling from a blocked number). Caller ID on call waiting (which, ironically, works on eircom-branded DECT phones!), various conditional divert options like a mobile phone etc.

From what I know of their network, it's actually delivered using some cable-company grade of VoIP & pretty top notch Nortel (division now owned by Ericsson) DMS voice switches.
So, as telephony services go, UPC's is top notch.

Rossi IRL · 01-03-2012 1:40pm

oh well, i live over 10km from 1 of the exchanges getting upgraded so it looks like ill have to do with 2mb for another 10 years,,

i have 1 question,,

how much would it cost to get a new exchange built

Sponge Bob · 01-03-2012 2:33pm

Assuming fibre is at the location ...around €30-40k

bealtine · 01-03-2012 2:42pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Assuming fibre is at the location ...around €30-40k

That would be for a fibre fed cabinet no?

MrO · 01-03-2012 2:52pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Assuming fibre is at the location ...around €30-40k

To build a new exchange?

I'm not so sure - seems quite low to me.

mobil 222 · 01-03-2012 6:36pm

Rossi IRL wrote: »

oh well, i live over 10km from 1 of the exchanges getting upgraded so it looks like ill have to do with 2mb for another 10 years,,

i have 1 question,,

how much would it cost to get a new exchange built

For people living about 7km from an exchange and are on less than 2megs is there not a case that when FTTC is introduced that they might get greater than 2.
What i mean is that- say you are fed on a cable direct from the exchange at the moment ie your residence is about 7 km away with NGB on your line.
In the new new setup Eircom decide to locate a cabinet about 4 km away
from the exchange which leaves your house 3 km away.

Question . Can you apply for an upgrade using the new tecknology.

iMuse · 01-03-2012 7:51pm

iMuse wrote: »

This box is half a mile from my house and Ive seen eircom working at it before. Is it a Cabinet?

Eircom and KN networks laying cable to this cabinet today

lucernarian · 01-03-2012 8:40pm

mobil 222 wrote: »

For people living about 7km from an exchange and are on less than 2megs is there not a case that when FTTC is introduced that they might get greater than 2.
What i mean is that- say you are fed on a cable direct from the exchange at the moment ie your residence is about 7 km away with NGB on your line.
In the new new setup Eircom decide to locate a cabinet about 4 km away
from the exchange which leaves your house 3 km away.

Question . Can you apply for an upgrade using the new tecknology.

I see no reason based on the eircom wholesale presentations etc. to think that eircom will move cabinets any closer to where they are needed. Even if ducting and fibre already exists on the route! Like the Letterkenny release mentioned "all 38 cabinets" being enabled. Implicitly saying that no new cabinets will be erected beyond the existing number. It will come down to hoping that the nearest cabinet is less than 2km from your address:(

mobil 222 · 01-03-2012 9:02pm

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

mobil 222 wrote: »

For people living about 7km from an exchange and are on less than 2megs is there not a case that when FTTC is introduced that they might get greater than 2.
What i mean is that- say you are fed on a cable direct from the exchange at the moment ie your residence is about 7 km away with NGB on your line.
In the new new setup Eircom decide to locate a cabinet about 4 km away
from the exchange which leaves your house 3 km away.

Question . Can you apply for an upgrade using the new tecknology.

I see no reason based on the eircom wholesale presentations etc. to think that eircom will move cabinets any closer to where they are needed. Even if ducting and fibre already exists on the route! Like the Letterkenny release mentioned "all 38 cabinets" being enabled. Implicitly saying that no new cabinets will be erected beyond the existing number. It will come down to hoping that the nearest cabinet is less than 2km from your address:(

But cabinets are fed by a main cable which can range from 200 up to 1200 pair and it's possible that that cable might have feeds to 3 cabinets ie could be 300 going to each cab with the last 300 going direct therefore the need for an extra cabinet

lucernarian · 01-03-2012 9:11pm

In general, wouldn't the nearest areas be directly served with a cable with only more outlying areas served by a cabinet? So if there were 300 pairs left over, they'd probably serve the areas closest and least in need of a VDSL cabinet anyway.

Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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