operation transformation 2013

Lisha · 30-01-2013 11:21pm

Carl looks really weird lately
It's like he is so face is so over groomed or something

lucozader · 31-01-2013 3:30am

Dr Eva was too hard on the poor girl, came across as a real trollop in my opinion.

Handsome Bob · 31-01-2013 10:22am

Eva has always been like this though. I'm more surprised by Ken and his idiotic overreaction.

ncmc · 31-01-2013 10:31am

I do think Dr Eva was being a total gee bag and it was so obvious it was all for the cameras, she did the same last year with one of the girls, but in fairness, the girl last year deserved it. She was a lazy lump and went awol for a week at one stage.

However, I have to agree with Karl, at her age and weight, the excess weight should be falling off her. 3.5lbs is not a lot to lose at this early stage of her weight loss. In fact, I think the weight loss in general this year is pretty poor. I know slow and steady is the way to go, but at their size, they should really be losing a lot in the first few weeks and then plateau a bit. They all lost a lot in the first week and I think they’ve all slowed down massively. I honestly don’t think they’re exercising enough or with enough intensity. Karl’s workouts that they do look like there is very little effort in them and for the most part they aren’t even running yet, just walking at a pretty moderate speed of less than 5k in 45 mins. How are they supposed to run a 5k in 4 weeks?

Handsome Bob · 31-01-2013 11:12am

The thing is though is that if losing 3.5lbs was such a bad result, why was a "mere" 4lbs the target for her to lose? If they expected her to lose much more then why not set the target at 5lbs or 6lbs? Their overreaction makes zero sense within the context of the target they set her.

I mean if there was anyone who should have got it in the neck it should have been Gavin (not that I'd condone talking to anyone like that). He is the heaviest and therefore, he should not only be hitting his target but doing it with lbs to spare. I think they picked on Charlotte because they knew she would give them the tears they wanted. It just so happened that Charlotte was more able for their BS than they expected.

ncmc · 31-01-2013 11:24am

S. De Sousa wrote: »

The thing is though is that if losing 3.5lbs was such a bad result, why was a "mere" 4lbs the target for her to lose? If they expected her to lose much more then why not set the target at 5lbs or 6lbs? Their overreaction makes zero sense within the context of the target they set her.

I mean if there was anyone who should have got it in the neck it should have been Gavin (not that I'd condone talking to anyone like that). He is the heaviest and therefore, he should not only be hitting his target but doing it with lbs to spare. I think they picked on Charlotte because they knew she would give them the tears they wanted. It just so happened that Charlotte was more able for their BS than they expected.

I totally agree with you, it was a massive over reaction and made zero sense when she was only under her target by .5lb, that’s nothing, you have to have a margin of error for weight loss, she could have been retaining some water or it may have been her time of the month which could explain the half a pound. It was obvious that it was only done for TV purposes and they suspected Charlotte would be good for the tears. They let Gavin off scot free with bailing out of the army training last week, if anyone deserved a bollocking, it was him.

I’m getting fairly sick of this series tbh. As previous posters have said, it’s all about X Factor style sob stories and no details of their diet and exercise plans. Plus, I stand by what I said earlier that the weight loss is fairly unimpressive this year when you consider the amount they have to lose.

Stench Blossoms · 31-01-2013 12:20pm

Bet that next weeks episode will have Eva going to Charlotte's house and they'll be best buds. Same thing happened last year when she had a fight with another girl.

pookiesboo · 31-01-2013 1:28pm

When Dr. Eva was having a go at her she should have turned around and said "Yes Fuhrer"

tritriagain · 31-01-2013 3:24pm

.5 lb. .5lb id s**t .5lb...get a life dr eva and all the other condescending experts. bodies react in different ways and a diferent pace to the progs. it is not an exact science

stop animal cruelty · 31-01-2013 5:08pm

the year before last she had a go at some other young one, she either gained or didnt reach her target but it was cause she was on period, its like as if shes something against the young girls! Felt sorry for Charlotte last night!

Tayla · 31-01-2013 7:54pm

castletownman wrote: »

This show is starting to annoy me with all it's scaremongering about childhood obesity and such. They should look at the children's parents first.

I really don't agree with that at all, a lot of parents don't care about their own health, they know they are overweight and more likely to suffer from health problems, they know they are unfit and have resigned themselves to feeling old beyond their years forever, they are adults who have to make the decision themselves about whether they want to change their lifestyles or not.

It should be a no brainer when it comes to kids, parents should be ensuring that have healthy diets and adequate physical activity. It's not scaremongering, it's spelling out the reality.

Meathlass · 01-02-2013 12:18pm

Does anyone else think that the reason they're not doing so well this year is that they're not putting enough effort into the exercises? It's hard to tell as we're not shown much footage of them on their own but when Karl met Charlotte at work and went through the reps with her she was totally out of breath and physically shaking with the effort. That's what it should be like all the time and if not they should be increasing the reps.

Anytime I've seen footage of the participants doing it they're smiling and joking and don't seem much out of breath.

I'm not being hard on them, I think it's amazing what they're doing. I just don't think they're been given enough support by the format of the programme. I've been following the exercises online, but because I do regular exercise and gym based classes I know how far I can push myself but it's very easy to just go really light on those toning exercises as well (especially when no one's watching!)

WaltKowalski · 01-02-2013 12:40pm

Meathlass wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the reason they're not doing so well this year is that they're not putting enough effort into the exercises? It's hard to tell as we're not shown much footage of them on their own but when Karl met Charlotte at work and went through the reps with her she was totally out of breath and physically shaking with the effort. That's what it should be like all the time and if not they should be increasing the reps.

Anytime I've seen footage of the participants doing it they're smiling and joking and don't seem much out of breath.

I'm not being hard on them, I think it's amazing what they're doing. I just don't think they're been given enough support by the format of the programme. I've been following the exercises online, but because I do regular exercise and gym based classes I know how far I can push myself but it's very easy to just go really light on those toning exercises as well (especially when no one's watching!)

Exercise is important, obviously, especially for toning and general well being, but it doesn't make a difference on the scales. That's down to diet only.
And the numbers on the scales are all that matters on this show.

Meathlass · 01-02-2013 12:51pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

Exercise is important, obviously, especially for toning and general well being, but it doesn't make a difference on the scales. That's down to diet only.
And the numbers on the scales are all that matters on this show.

Fair point. It's so depressing that exercise doesn't make much difference to weight loss and diet is where it's at since I love the former and hate the latter!

Handsome Bob · 01-02-2013 12:59pm

It's a fair point to say that the leaders may not be pushing themselves as much as they can. Especially with those kind of exercises, it's easy not to do them "effectively" so to speak, I mean it's not like thumping a treadmill where you know you're going to get some kind of result.

I'd say that's why the contestants on the likes of The Biggest Loser get such dramatic results, because they're put on the treadmill and made to kill themselves from week 1.

ncmc · 01-02-2013 1:01pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

Exercise is important, obviously, especially for toning and general well being, but it doesn't make a difference on the scales. That's down to diet only.
And the numbers on the scales are all that matters on this show.

I don't think it's accurate to say exercise doesn't make a difference on the scales. Diet is more effective in weight loss, but exercise will certainly aid weight loss.

I agree with Meathlass, they don't seem to be doing their exercises with any sort of intensity, I think this is a big part in why they aren't losing as much weight this year.

They also could be eating too much, but they are showing us so little of what they eat on the show that we don't know!

Quite contrary · 01-02-2013 1:13pm

Meathlass wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the reason they're not doing so well this year is that they're not putting enough effort into the exercises? It's hard to tell as we're not shown much footage of them on their own but when Karl met Charlotte at work and went through the reps with her she was totally out of breath and physically shaking with the effort. That's what it should be like all the time and if not they should be increasing the reps.

Anytime I've seen footage of the participants doing it they're smiling and joking and don't seem much out of breath.

I'm not being hard on them, I think it's amazing what they're doing. I just don't think they're been given enough support by the format of the programme. I've been following the exercises online, but because I do regular exercise and gym based classes I know how far I can push myself but it's very easy to just go really light on those toning exercises as well (especially when no one's watching!)

It would make you wonder, if she will be able for the 5k run,when the time comes. If she cant even manage a few excerises with Karl. When you the see the likes of the biggest loser,it's all about excerise. Still don't think theirs enough on this show, as there should be.

WaltKowalski · 01-02-2013 1:15pm

There's a massive difference between the calories we consume and the amount of calories we lose to exercise, so we have to reduce what we consume to lose weight.

ncmc · 01-02-2013 1:21pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

There's a massive difference between the calories we consume and the amount of calories we lose to exercise, so we have to reduce what we consume to lose weight.

I agree 100%, but exercise still does aid weight loss. It's not really effective on it's own due to the volume of exercise we would have to do to lose weight. For example, I am currently running about 35 miles per week, that burns approx 3500 cals, which is equivelent to about 1lb loss per week. I could lose the same by cutting my calories by 500 per day, which is much easier to do than run 35 miles per week!

So yes, it is easier to lose weight by cutting calories, but I still don't think it's correct to say exercise has no effect on the scales.

Quite contrary · 01-02-2013 1:58pm

A collegue in work, informed me that, the facebook page had a lot of complaints about Dr Eva and Deirdre. And are deleting all complaints, after they are posted. She herself, complained about Dr Eva, and the comment was deleted , not long after.Are people not allowed express an opinion now.

Stinicker · 01-02-2013 2:27pm

ncmc wrote: »

I don't think it's accurate to say exercise doesn't make a difference on the scales. Diet is more effective in weight loss, but exercise will certainly aid weight loss.

I agree with Meathlass, they don't seem to be doing their exercises with any sort of intensity, I think this is a big part in why they aren't losing as much weight this year.

They also could be eating too much, but they are showing us so little of what they eat on the show that we don't know!

Completely agree I am on a weight loss programme since New Years which is totally unrelated to OT but I still watch it. Basically I am eating between 500 - 700 calories a day and exercising rigorously 3 times a week. I am not on any fad diet or eating any of the sort of thrash they give these guys. I just eat the same just a whole lot less of it. I also have stopped eating after 6pm and drink nearly 3 litres of water a day. If I fail to make dinner before 6pm then I go without until breakfast the following morning. I have lost 1 stone in 4 weeks and have not been this light since I was 16.

ncmc · 01-02-2013 2:35pm

Stinicker wrote: »

Completely agree I am on a weight loss programme since New Years which is totally unrelated to OT but I still watch it. Basically I am eating between 500 - 700 calories a day and exercising rigorously 3 times a week. I am not on any fad diet or eating any of the sort of thrash they give these guys. I just eat the same just a whole lot less of it. I also have stopped eating after 6pm and drink nearly 3 litres of water a day. If I fail to make dinner before 6pm then I go without until breakfast the following morning. I have lost 1 stone in 4 weeks and have not been this light since I was 16.

Are you really only eating this much per day? I would really worry about the long term effects of this diet. 500 calories is very low, I would worry the body couldn’t even function long term on so few calories, fair play to you that you have the energy to still work out! I know I wouldn’t if I were eating so little! Any healthy diet I have heard of would consist of at least 1200 calories per day. And going without food from lunchtime to breakfast the next morning sometimes? I would really be concerned about that. It’s great that you have lost so much weight, but just make sure you are getting enough essential nutrients too.

dechol · 01-02-2013 3:07pm

Stinicker wrote: »

Completely agree I am on a weight loss programme since New Years which is totally unrelated to OT but I still watch it. Basically I am eating between 500 - 700 calories a day and exercising rigorously 3 times a week. I am not on any fad diet or eating any of the sort of thrash they give these guys. I just eat the same just a whole lot less of it. I also have stopped eating after 6pm and drink nearly 3 litres of water a day. If I fail to make dinner before 6pm then I go without until breakfast the following morning. I have lost 1 stone in 4 weeks and have not been this light since I was 16.

This is a definitely a fad diet. Not a healthy way to lose weight in my opinion.

vitani · 01-02-2013 3:09pm

Stinicker wrote: »

Completely agree I am on a weight loss programme since New Years which is totally unrelated to OT but I still watch it. Basically I am eating between 500 - 700 calories a day and exercising rigorously 3 times a week. I am not on any fad diet or eating any of the sort of thrash they give these guys. I just eat the same just a whole lot less of it. I also have stopped eating after 6pm and drink nearly 3 litres of water a day. If I fail to make dinner before 6pm then I go without until breakfast the following morning. I have lost 1 stone in 4 weeks and have not been this light since I was 16.

Out of curiosity, what do you consider trash?

Handsome Bob · 01-02-2013 3:09pm

Stinicker wrote: »

Completely agree I am on a weight loss programme since New Years which is totally unrelated to OT but I still watch it. Basically I am eating between 500 - 700 calories a day and exercising rigorously 3 times a week. I am not on any fad diet or eating any of the sort of thrash they give these guys. I just eat the same just a whole lot less of it. I also have stopped eating after 6pm and drink nearly 3 litres of water a day. If I fail to make dinner before 6pm then I go without until breakfast the following morning. I have lost 1 stone in 4 weeks and have not been this light since I was 16.

That's quite ridiculous to be honest.

Stinicker · 01-02-2013 3:15pm

vitani wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what do you consider trash?

Vegetables and foods where the taste is absent. My palate is actually very limited but by just reducing the foods I eat then I am losing weight. I should clarify that I often eat 1,300 - 1,500 calories but when I exercise them off it leaves me with maybe 500 - 700 calories to live on. I get more tired so go to bed about 2hours earlier than usual. As for being healthy, my diet is probably not that healthy but it is working and the health benefits of losing weight far outweighs the loss of diet. I take vitamins and things too and this is working for me. If I thought I'd die younger by being thin I'd still lose the weight as it really is important to me. Basically at the moment I can have my cake and eat it, just a much smaller slice!

Stinicker · 01-02-2013 3:16pm

S. De Sousa wrote: »

That's quite ridiculous to be honest.

I've only done it twice but it is my rule which forces me to have dinner before 6pm.

Meathlass · 01-02-2013 3:22pm

Vegetables and foods where the taste is absent.

I don't think you can consider vegetables trash!

I should clarify that I often eat 1,300 - 1,500 calories but when I exercise them off it leaves me with maybe 500 - 700 calories to live on.

What kind of exercise are you doing that you can burn 600 calories in one session? Just interested.

As for being healthy, my diet is probably not that healthy but it is working

It's not going to keep working though. You can't survive on 700 calories and huge gaps between meals. This might work fine for a month but it all the weight will come back. Your body must think you're starving, I'm not suprised you need an extra 2 hours sleep a night.

Stinicker · 01-02-2013 3:34pm

Meathlass wrote: »

What kind of exercise are you doing that you can burn 600 calories in one session? Just interested.

Treadmill, rowing machine, cycling and swimming. I've joined a Gym and go there 3 to 4 times a week for 2-3hrs sessions, getting at least ten hours of exercise a week.

The reason I go to bed earlier is that I am often tired after a gym session in the evening and would watch maybe half an hour of tv before heading to bed. I am also waking earlier and having breakfast every morning for the first time since I was a teenager going to school.

I actually feel like I have more energy and I can do more things now. I drink alot of water and for me this is not just a diet but it is an entire lifestyle change, my weight was always quite stable in that I could stuff my face like a pig and it would never vary +/- 2/3lbs however losing that weight was the problem and now I am eventually getting it down and I know that once I get under a BMI of 25 I will go back to more normal eating regimes and with more frequent exercise I will be able to maintain my new lower weight. The long term goal is to gain back the weight in the form of muscle and bulk up but for now the aim is to lose the belly and get slimmer before moving to that hurdle.

ncmc · 01-02-2013 4:13pm

Stinicker wrote: »

Vegetables and foods where the taste is absent. My palate is actually very limited but by just reducing the foods I eat then I am losing weight. I should clarify that I often eat 1,300 - 1,500 calories but when I exercise them off it leaves me with maybe 500 - 700 calories to live on. I get more tired so go to bed about 2hours earlier than usual. As for being healthy, my diet is probably not that healthy but it is working and the health benefits of losing weight far outweighs the loss of diet. I take vitamins and things too and this is working for me. If I thought I'd die younger by being thin I'd still lose the weight as it really is important to me. Basically at the moment I can have my cake and eat it, just a much smaller slice!

Oh phew, that’s alright! I though you meant you were only eating 500 cals and I was wondering how you could even walk around never mind work out!

Make sure you’re drinking plenty of water, I find when I do a long run I often don’t rehydrate enough and that leaves me tired more so than the exercise itself.

Well done on the weight loss to date and keep up the good work!

dechol · 01-02-2013 5:18pm

ncmc wrote: »

Oh phew, that’s alright! I though you meant you were only eating 500 cals and I was wondering how you could even walk around never mind work out!

Make sure you’re drinking plenty of water, I find when I do a long run I often don’t rehydrate enough and that leaves me tired more so than the exercise itself.

Well done on the weight loss to date and keep up the good work!

+1 on that.I also thought you were consuming only 500 cals and then working out.

Madam_X · 01-02-2013 9:55pm

Quite contrary wrote: »

A collegue in work, informed me that, the facebook page had a lot of complaints about Dr Eva and Deirdre. And are deleting all complaints, after they are posted. She herself, complained about Dr Eva, and the comment was deleted , not long after.Are people not allowed express an opinion now.

The comments are still there. "Posts by others" have to be clicked on.

Stinicker, you say you feel more energetic, but you're more tired and going to bed much earlier so I'm not sure I understand.
What do you think is going to happen if you eat after 6? If you're doing loads of exercise, you need fuel - it won't matter if you eat after 6, so long as it's protein-based rather than carbs.
Seems a fairly unsustainable regime.

Quite contrary · 01-02-2013 11:23pm

Madam_X wrote: »

The comments are still there. "Posts by others" have to be clicked on.

Stinicker, you say you feel more energetic, but you're more tired and going to bed much earlier so I'm not sure I understand.
What do you think is going to happen if you eat after 6? If you're doing loads of exercise, you need fuel - it won't matter if you eat after 6, so long as it's protein-based rather than carbs.
Seems a fairly unsustainable regime.

She posted her comment under charlottes weigh in picture, and her comment was taken down. It wasn't anything bad, that would warrant deleting.

Lisha · 05-02-2013 9:38pm

Charlottes kitchen is fab

Look at Ava she s fun and one of us really ! ðŸ˜œ

Handsome Bob · 05-02-2013 9:40pm

I know what will be in my nightmares tonight anyway.

Stooped · 05-02-2013 9:42pm

Jaysus that part was stupid.

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 9:13am

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Bet that next weeks episode will have Eva going to Charlotte's house and they'll be best buds. Same thing happened last year when she had a fight with another girl.

.....And I was right.

I think people need to remember that this is a TV show and they are looking for ratings. These brought those ratings in.

gjc · 06-02-2013 11:40am

I caught up on the real player, I think Monica looks great, if I saw her on the street I wouldnt have said she needed to loose any weight, cant remeber what she was like at the beginning as I only started taking an interested when Dr Eva spat the dummy, but I wouldnt have said she was overweight, she looked fab in the dress for the night out

ncmc · 06-02-2013 11:48am

gjc wrote: »

I caught up on the real player, I think Monica looks great, if I saw her on the street I wouldnt have said she needed to loose any weight, cant remeber what she was like at the beginning as I only started taking an interested when Dr Eva spat the dummy, but I wouldnt have said she was overweight, she looked fab in the dress for the night out

I think that is the whole reason they had Monica on, she isn’t massively obese, but she is overweight, so she represents a lot of people in this country who are overweight and don’t realise it. The shocking thing is that she was 13 and a half stone which is quite overweight for her height, yet a lot of people would have thought she was fine. I think we have to a large extent become almost immune to people being overweight and obese and we no longer recognise when someone is an unhealthy weight.

Rovi · 06-02-2013 11:53am

gjc wrote: »

I caught up on the real player, I think Monica looks great, if I saw her on the street I wouldnt have said she needed to loose any weight, cant remeber what she was like at the beginning as I only started taking an interested when Dr Eva spat the dummy, but I wouldnt have said she was overweight, she looked fab in the dress for the night out

Look at her in the lycra at the weigh-in though, and she's most definitely carrying plenty more than she should.

As ncmc says, we've become desensitised to weight over the last couple of decades, and being overweight is now considered 'normal'.

Well, perhaps it IS 'normal', but it's not healthy or optimal!

Quite contrary · 06-02-2013 12:55pm

I think monica looked very well last night, you can really see the difference in her shape, when she got weighed last night. I thought Charlotte was milking it over the whole Dr Eva saga. Getting her bit in again, with Dr Eva, when she arrived at her home, and then her Father joining in.she has apologised a few times now to her, once would have been enough, in my opinion. Time to let it go now.

gjc · 06-02-2013 2:46pm

Dr Eva did not come over well in my opinion on the Saturday night show she refused to apologise there and then saying she would on the show....i reckon her private business was big time on the line!!! and I found her apology weak...I wouldnt expect grovelling but I find there was no sincerity. I predict she will not be on the next series....you just can not push people too much in the current climate. She is just downright RUDE

Dotcomdolly · 06-02-2013 3:18pm

gjc wrote: »

Dr Eva did not come over well in my opinion on the Saturday night show she refused to apologise there and then saying she would on the show....i reckon her private business was big time on the line!!! and I found her apology weak...I wouldnt expect grovelling but I find there was no sincerity. I predict she will not be on the next series....you just can not push people too much in the current climate. She is just downright RUDE

I'd love to see Erika Doolan do it instead.

vitani · 06-02-2013 9:56pm

Deirdre: 'I have a great husband. He minds the kids and lets me do things like cook the dinner...' :eek:

I know what she meant, but it made me laugh all the same.

Dymo · 06-02-2013 10:13pm

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Bet that next weeks episode will have Eva going to Charlotte's house and they'll be best buds. Same thing happened last year when she had a fight with another girl.

Bingo!!

Quite contrary · 06-02-2013 10:38pm

I don't get why deirdre got the medal. She couldn't run, then when Kathryn asked her to walk with her, she told her no. Then when they doing sit ups, they showed one clip, and you could clearly see her in the background, being helped up and down my one of the army trainers. I thought all ther other leaders, put far better effort in, and did not moan and just go on with it. Gavin,did very well this week.You can clearly see the difference in him already.

coconut5 · 12-02-2013 6:57pm

Charlotte has the most annoying accent in the world. Hope that's the end of the 'Dr Eva is a tyrant' nonsense. I really like her, I think she talks sense.
The principal of that school in Cobh looked really young.
Monica seems to be thriving the most in the show. She's the most inspiring of the leaders I think.

cazzak79 · 13-02-2013 10:25pm

Great weight loses this week by all leaders! Really saw it in charlotte this weeK

bb86 · 18-02-2013 4:09pm

Anyone doing the 5km run this Saturday in Phoenix Park? I registered but haven't received my number in the post yet, presume it'll arrive this wk! Has anyone got theirs yet?

vitani · 18-02-2013 4:14pm

bb86 wrote: »

Anyone doing the 5km run this Saturday in Phoenix Park? I registered but haven't received my number in the post yet, presume it'll arrive this wk! Has anyone got theirs yet?

They're being sent this week. AFAIK, some people got theirs this morning. Hoping mine is there when I get home this evening.

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