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The Chillout Zone (Off-Topic Thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    anniehoo wrote: »
    ^^ Shudder!!

    Anything to do with teeth freaks me out. I have dreams a few times a year where I'm literally spitting handfuls of them out or they're wobbling on a thread in my gums. A dentist would be my nightmare job :eek::eek:

    I remember when I was younger I used to constantly have dreams where my teeth were falling out, so I looked it up in one of my friends dream interpretation books and it said that dreaming that your teeth are falling out is a sign that you're pregnant. As I was only 13 at the time, I somehow don't think that was true :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    It can be a sign of stress OR that you're grinding your teeth at night - i grind mine and have to wear a splint that must have cost 1k at this stage with all the adjustments etc :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    anniehoo wrote: »
    ^^ Shudder!!

    Anything to do with teeth freaks me out. I have dreams a few times a year where I'm literally spitting handfuls of them out or they're wobbling on a thread in my gums. A dentist would be my nightmare job :eek::eek:

    The thoughts of even going to the dentist starts me hand wringing and sweating. I'm terrified of anybody going near my mouth but I can handle Cocos teeth no problem

    Come to think of it, I don't like anybody touching my feet or even getting my hair done, or massages. For the most part I don't like strangers touching me at all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    tk123 wrote: »
    It can be a sign of stress OR that you're grinding your teeth at night - i grind mine and have to wear a splint that must have cost 1k at this stage with all the adjustments etc :(

    That makes sense actually, I have to wear a splint too. Well I'm supposed to but I can't sleep well with it in so I just put it in when I wake up because that's when I grind my teeth without noticing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    lol! I can't sleep without mine! :p

    I used to freak out if anyone touched my neck... I had to get a biopsy on my thyroid so needle in the neck - I was that rigid with fear they asked if I had a problem with my spine lol!! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Yeah heard it's a stress thing as well. I used to get bullied about my teeth when I was a kid (they're nice now but I suppose it stays with you a bit). The dreams are so realistic it's scary. I'm literally showing people handfuls of teeth and they don't believe me. So freaky!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭rannerap


    I always thought the teeth dream meant you were anxious or was meant to represent powerlessness. I used to get it too but i think it was because I had really bad teeth and I was very insecure about them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    tk123 wrote: »
    lol! I can't sleep without mine! :p

    I used to freak out if anyone touched my neck... I had to get a biopsy on my thyroid so needle in the neck - I was that rigid with fear they asked if I had a problem with my spine lol!! :P

    The thought of long needles like for biopsies really freaks me out, I have no problems with small needles or even IV needles, I used to have to give myself injections every night as a kid and it's made me so they don't bother me in the slightest, but those long ones.. ugh! I had to get a lumbar puncture about 4 years ago and I still have nightmares about that needle!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭SingItOut


    @borderlinemeath I felt bad after throwing it in the bin but it was bloody and stuff haha

    I always had dreams where my teeth would fall out or turn to ash in my mouth, and it's supposed to be a signal of anxiety


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Just took Felix in to see Molly, he'd been pawing at the door of her room so I figured what the heck I'd let him see her through the pet gate, of course Jazzy arrived and jumped in over the gate. Felix doesn't acknowledge her much and rarely sees her. We usually close the living room door when he's asleep in there and then let her run around the house.

    My God the noises coming out of him. The low growling and weird mewling/growling was unreal. She has no sense at all, he was making it clear he wasn't happy and she kept trying to jump the gate to play with him. Anyway I held her up at chest height while he explored the room and made his noises the whole time.

    This fostering takes a bit of getting used to:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Boo! Zukes (American treats I get on iHerb) are now part of Purina!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    We had Felix and Molly at the vets for follow up today, thankfully Felixs' ear is fine now and Molly is thriving:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭honerbright


    My OH was walking Poppy today and some guy pulled over his car and started questioning about her (if she was neutered/'oh i'd love some pups off her' etc). Thank goodness she's spayed and my OH was quick to tell him that. But I asked him to describe the guy and his car and it actually was the perfect description of someone that done the same thing to me a year ago in our estate, when Pops was only 4/5 months old. Tis rather worrying that someone that obviously lives near us/frequents near us and the amount of owners that let their dogs roam in this estate, they could easily be snatched up :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I advertised Molly on a local forum yesterday and someone PM'd me to ask if they could have her for a few days to see how she gets on with their cat. The rescue doesn't sign over any animals until a follow up homecheck has been done 2 or 3 weeks after the animal has been placed. I PM'd them to explain how it works and they never bothered to get back to me, it'd be really nice if people showed a little courtesy and let me know if they were interested in going ahead or not. Not a snowballs chance in Hell that I'd hand any animal to someone without doing a homecheck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Molly is going to spend the weekend with a neighbour of ours and their cat to see if they get on together, if they do she will have a new home:) Fingers crossed for her, I'd love to see her settled in her forever home. Then I can give our cats lots of extra attention before kitten season arrives and we do some more fostering.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    Dude was sitting on my shoulder, he turned around and put his stump in my ear. Ick!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    :p I just bought a 'dumb' phone for my mum - her ancient Nokia is broken and she won't step out of the dark ages lol!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I finally managed to get Jazzy's advocate drops on him last night. He is so so so so, suspicious, I think he's a bit psychic. Whenever I even think about the drops, if he's on my lap he'll look at me then jump off my lap and run. I had to break the seal with the lid off one of the packs, switch it with one that didn't have the smell of the drops then hide the advocate in my pocket and wait for my chance to get him, if you don't get him the first time you don't get another chance for months.

    I've got to try to trick him into a crate next week and get him to our vets larger practice in Limerick. We have a great vet and she agreed that so long as he's fasted and we can get him in between 9 and 10 am we can bring him in any week day. He has to be anaesthetised to be examined, he freaks out that much, former feral, and I think he needs more dental work. I'd be surprised if he doesn't need extractions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Ooh, I nearly forgot, I saw a fox in the early hours of this morning. I opened the door around 2am as Toby wanted to go out, long story, it stopped and looked over at me then ran off through the fields. We live in a town but with a lot of fields around, didn't know they were coming into the housing areas. Beautiful creatures, especially when they catch the moonlight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    2 weeks....2 whole weeks trying to get information about how the dog I fostered at xmas was doing. I just wanted to know if she was still there or whether she'd been adopted yet. Response when they finally picked up the phone "We don't give out that information, it's our policy. You're just a fosterer".

    ....and breeeeathe!!!! :mad::mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    anniehoo wrote: »
    2 weeks....2 whole weeks trying to get information about how the dog I fostered at xmas was doing. I just wanted to know if she was still there or whether she'd been adopted yet. Response when they finally picked up the phone "We don't give out that information, it's our policy. You're just a fosterer".

    ....and breeeeathe!!!! :mad::mad:

    Ah god that's awful! Could you maybe get a friend to ring up and ask if she's available for adoption because they saw her on Facebook and would like her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    :( thats a bit crap surely they'd want to encourage you to foster again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    tk123 wrote: »
    :( thats a bit crap surely they'd want to encourage you to foster again?

    And particularly as many fosterers become full blown adopters when they can't part with the pet!

    That is bad form Anniehoo, would you have caught them on a bad day? I'm always asking how my old fosters were, and never any problem in getting updates either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Ah god that's awful! Could you maybe get a friend to ring up and ask if she's available for adoption because they saw her on Facebook and would like her?
    I managed to get hold of a volunteer I know who said she was adopted last week.(edited: not adopted but back out on foster :() That's all I wanted to know.
    tk123 wrote: »
    :( thats a bit crap surely they'd want to encourage you to foster again?

    You would think so!! All I simply wanted to know was she ok and had she been adopted. The way the foster coordinator went on repeating it "wasn't policy" you'd swear I was asking for top secret information. Saying I was "just a fosterer" really p*ssed me off. :mad:

    Just.A.Fosterer!!! :confused::confused:
    That is bad form Anniehoo, would you have caught them on a bad day? I'm always asking how my old fosters were, and never any problem in getting updates either.
    I know they're very shortstaffed alright but she sounded very calm on the phone just plainly saying she wouldn't give out any info end of story.

    Still thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience but if that's the level of respect they have for their fosterers, then good luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Ahh Anniehoo, that's a bloody awful way to be treated. They could have had the courtesy to tell you if the dog had been rehomed, it's a simple yes or no question. You'd think they'd show a bit of consideration to the person who fostered the dog. Most rescues are overwhelmed at the moment, upsetting fosterers isn't a smart move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I'll be taking Molly to her new home this afternoon, they're going to see how she gets on with their cat over the weekend, if she gets along with the resident cat she'll have her forever home, fingers crossed, I'm all edgy about it now, like a mother hen. It's unnerving trusting someone I don't know with her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    My mam said that we're gong to do something next week to make up for the fact I basically had no Christmas this year. I thought she meant that we'd go for lunch or to the cinema, but nope, she's bringing me to Dublin to go to the zoo :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    anniehoo wrote: »
    Still thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience but if that's the level of respect they have for their fosterers, then good luck!

    Anniehoo that's unforgivable, I'm sure if the management knew that's how a fosterer had been spoken to, they'd be absolutely horrified! Fosterers are gold dust! And for that attitude to come from the foster co-ordinator???

    For the sake of the rescue, would you consider writing to them to notify them of what happened? It's bang out of order. And any decent animal-loving person would perfectly understand a fosterer wanting to know how their former charge was getting along.

    Feck's sake. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    I'll be taking Molly to her new home this afternoon, they're going to see how she gets on with their cat over the weekend, if she gets along with the resident cat she'll have her forever home, fingers crossed, I'm all edgy about it now, like a mother hen. It's unnerving trusting someone I don't know with her.

    Make sure the introductions are made very slowly. No face-to-face encounters for at least the first week. Set Molly up in a "safe room" within the home. Allow either cat to sniff each other under the door. Feed the resident cat outside Molly's door, exchange blankies between them, etc.

    Cats don't get over a bad start as well as dogs do, so it's best to be painstaking to get it right - time and patience are key!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    boomerang wrote: »
    For the sake of the rescue, would you consider writing to them to notify them of what happened?

    I will alright, but I already know it'll fall on deaf ears. I was choosing to ignore a lot of what I was hearing about the politics in this place but wow I was not expecting that reaction. I just needed to calm down first because I can be a divil for losing the temper and saying/writing things when I shouldn't. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭mymo


    I would be disgusted if I got that kind of response, I'd go elsewhere to help in future and tell them exactly why.

    Good luck to Molly!

    Have fun at the zoo sillymangox, you deserve a great day out after everything.

    I just persuaded a woman I know to spay her cat now, rather than let her have a litter or two first!
    Sadly my work friend lost her cat to FELV and he fathered the four kittens she has, so she has to get them tested now. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Oh mymo, that's so sad. :( But even if they are positive it needn't be a death sentence for them and hopefully they will have lots of healthy, happy time left to them ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭aonb


    Sick of the smell of wet dog. I cut up an old rain coat of mine, and using a warm winter dog coat (didnt get much use out of that this year!) as a template, Ive made two rain coats for the terriers. Took them out for a 'test-drive' this afternoon. They are hopelessly bad. They look stupid. The dogs are NOT impressed. I will be embarrassed if I pass any other walker on the lanes. BUT! No stinky wet dog smell :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭mymo


    boomerang wrote: »
    Oh mymo, that's so sad. :( But even if they are positive it needn't be a death sentence for them and hopefully they will have lots of healthy, happy time left to them ahead.

    The cat that died was a feral they have been feeding for over a year, although they rarely got to touch him, they were mad about him.
    The mother of the kittens was a tiny scrap that turned up, semi feral, by the time the got close enough to pick her up and bring her inside, she was ready to drop the kittens.
    All are now neutered, tame, well fed and loved, that's a triumph I suppose. But one of the now just over a year old kittens, is smaller, weaker, and my friend thinks he's starting to have trouble with his teeth.
    So sad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    I had a horrible dream last night that I dropped Twitch in the loo! He got really sick after (since he nearly drowned!) and I woke up in a right tizz. Waiting for him to wake up now so I can say sorry and give him a sultana as a treat! :rolleyes: I'm the bigger eejit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭SingItOut


    When we adopted Alli the rescue gave us loads of vouchers for Petmania and one was for a free small bag of Clinivet puppy, only opened it the last few days and the two dogs love it. Moones really skinny so there's no harm in her eating it aswell to bulk up a bit. Moone is on royal canin mini adult at the mo and it's going to be too expensive to buy a 15kg RC for them when Alli's an adult. Clinivet seems to have better ingredients. Anybody know how much a 7.5kg or 15KG bag of clinivet puppy costs?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    aonb wrote: »
    Sick of the smell of wet dog. I cut up an old rain coat of mine, and using a warm winter dog coat (didnt get much use out of that this year!) as a template, Ive made two rain coats for the terriers. Took them out for a 'test-drive' this afternoon. They are hopelessly bad. They look stupid. The dogs are NOT impressed. I will be embarrassed if I pass any other walker on the lanes. BUT! No stinky wet dog smell :D

    http://www.zooplus.ie/shop/dogs/dog_clothing/hi_viz/274291

    These are the bizz if you're thinking of buying nice raincoats: they're raincoats only, no fur lining or anything like that.
    They keep the belly clean as well as the torso, and sit quite nicely on the dogs.
    My Cocker x wears a 35cm one, she's about the size of a Fox Terrier ish. A JRT would take a 30cm one :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I'm so bloody annoyed today. I told Molly's adopters how to integrate her slowly and went through it all at great length. Got a phone call this morning to tell me it wasn't working out and they brought her back to us, why? Because instead of doing what I told them to do they kept her in the living room with them, noisiest room in the house, and she didn't come out all night, then they brought their own cat into the living room and of course the cat hissed at her.

    So basically they did everthing I told them not to do and they didn't even give it 24 hours. Wtf is wrong with people? Well she's back now and she's safe and well and none the worse for her adventure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭aonb


    I'm so bloody annoyed today. I told Molly's adopters how to integrate her slowly and went through it all at great length. Got a phone call this morning to tell me it wasn't working out and they brought her back to us, why? Because instead of doing what I told them to do they kept her in the living room with them, noisiest room in the house, and she didn't come out all night, then they brought their own cat into the living room and of course the cat hissed at her.

    So basically they did everthing I told them not to do and they didn't even give it 24 hours. Wtf is wrong with people? Well she's back now and she's safe and well and none the worse for her adventure.

    so maybe its better that she got back to you after only 24 hours, since the home wasnt going to be ideal in the first place, from what you said... Poor Molly - prob wondered what the heck she was doing in that strange place for an overnight visit! As you say, what on earth did these people think was going to happen in less than 24 hours. Sigh....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭aonb


    DBB wrote: »
    http://www.zooplus.ie/shop/dogs/dog_clothing/hi_viz/274291

    These are the bizz if you're thinking of buying nice raincoats: they're raincoats only, no fur lining or anything like that.
    They keep the belly clean as well as the torso, and sit quite nicely on the dogs.
    My Cocker x wears a 35cm one, she's about the size of a Fox Terrier ish. A JRT would take a 30cm one :)

    ah but DBB, those coats would cost me E30, when I have a perfectly good sewing machine & perfectly good raincoat for recycling so couldnt justify not trying to do the home made option. Regardless of the rubbish/embarrassing/ill-fitting disasterous results :D (Course everything I try to do on my sewing machine ends up with the same sad results - but I live in hope!!!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    We have the same raincoats - Bailey doesn't mind his but Lucy goes on strike for the first few mins of wearing hers - sits/lies down or tries to scrape it off a wall lol!

    We got soaked at the beach this morning..then on the way back to the car Lucy ate a frizzled up birds wing but luckily puked it back up BEFORE getting into the car :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    I'm so bloody annoyed today. I told Molly's adopters how to integrate her slowly and went through it all at great length. Got a phone call this morning to tell me it wasn't working out and they brought her back to us, why? Because instead of doing what I told them to do they kept her in the living room with them, noisiest room in the house, and she didn't come out all night, then they brought their own cat into the living room and of course the cat hissed at her.

    So basically they did everthing I told them not to do and they didn't even give it 24 hours. Wtf is wrong with people? Well she's back now and she's safe and well and none the worse for her adventure.

    People don't listen. It's like folks who think that if a hamster (for example, since I have one!) doesn't let you hold him straight away then he's 'untamable' or something. I like to ask if a bunch of giants you don't know and who smell weird suddenly kidnapped you from your house you'd be 'unsettled' to say the least!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I was under the impression that she would have a safe room and that they'd give her lots of fuss and attention over the weekend and slowly introduce her to their home and cat like we did with her. I'd been optomistic as they are used to cats, so I thought that they'd have anticipated that their cat wasn't going to be too happy about having another cat in the house.

    I don't know why people think that their adult cat is going to accept a new kitten/cat automatically. Most cats would see another cat/kitten as an intruder. Poor Molly must've been terrified. She's sound asleep now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Got caught in a hailstone blizzard on the beach earlier:(. The dogs were wet from swimming anyway but I got absolutely soaked through, even my waterproof boots which have never leaked (and I have actually hosed them down whilst on me!!) got soaked with the hail forming little ice mounds on them. It was hitting my face so hard I was in pain. I had fleece gloves on that were soaked through and my fingers were completely numb. Finally got home and by the time I had dried the dogs I didn't even have the energy for a shower for myself. I only feel alright again now, in my pjs with the heating on and the fire blazing.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Got caught in a hailstone blizzard on the beach earlier:(. The dogs were wet from swimming anyway but I got absolutely soaked through, even my waterproof boots which have never leaked (and I have actually hosed them down whilst on me!!) got soaked with the hail forming little ice mounds on them. It was hitting my face so hard I was in pain. I had fleece gloves on that were soaked through and my fingers were completely numb. Finally got home and by the time I had dried the dogs I didn't even have the energy for a shower for myself. I only feel alright again now, in my pjs with the heating on and the fire blazing.

    Feck, you got caught out in that shower? It was dreadful!:eek:
    I had just got in the door from walking the dogs here, and thanked my lucky stars that we had beaten it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    DBB wrote: »
    Feck, you got caught out in that shower? It was dreadful!:eek:
    I had just got in the door from walking the dogs here, and thanked my lucky stars that we had beaten it!

    I knew it was going to be showery, but I wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it was. I was a bit snookered with walks today cos I had to collect my nieces dog in Dublin this morning, then I was waiting for a couple of other visitors and finally got going at about 3.45 so I was a good bit down the beach when it started as well. Practically stranded. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    I got caught in the shower this morning without my proper gear on because it was sunny and mild-ish this morning and I knew we's be having a long walk! I had a body warmer and light fleece on with my waterproof trousers - no hood/hat or good gloves and my shoes leaked too :( I took was taking photos so there's ones of the dogs running around in the sun, next the sky in the photos starts to get darker and then lashing rain. From now on my raincoat is going in my backpack ;p I had to go to the butchers on the way home so at least the dogs had dried in their drying coats/towels by the time we got home! Think I'm going to get another drying towel after today lol! We can't dry them fast enough lately! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    tk123 wrote: »
    I got caught in the shower this morning without my proper gear on because it was sunny and mild-ish this morning and I knew we's be having a long walk! I had a body warmer and light fleece on with my waterproof trousers - no hood/hat or good gloves and my shoes leaked too :( I took was taking photos so there's ones of the dogs running around in the sun, next the sky in the photos starts to get darker and then lashing rain. From now on my raincoat is going in my backpack ;p I had to go to the butchers on the way home so at least the dogs had dried in their drying coats/towels by the time we got home! Think I'm going to get another drying towel after today lol! We can't dry them fast enough lately! :p

    Yeah, the weather this morning was completely different! I drove to Dublin and didn't even throw a coat in the car. I'm the coldest person in the world and would have coat, hat and gloves on in the car til it warmed up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Yeah, the weather this morning was completely different! I drove to Dublin and didn't even throw a coat in the car. I'm the coldest person in the world and would have coat, hat and gloves on in the car til it warmed up!

    You need heated seats!! :D First thing I bought when I changed cars was a heated seat pad since the new car didn't have them lol!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    tk123 wrote: »
    You need heated seats!! :D First thing I bought when I changed cars was a heated seat pad since the new car didn't have them lol!

    Himself has the heated seats in his car! I had them before, when I used to commute to Dublin to work, they were just toasty. My brief for getting my last car was cupholders and plenty of storage pockets for leads & boxes of poo bags:D


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