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Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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  • #152
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Nobody has seen the list of 45...or if they have they won't say so. :)

    10 > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77231754

    45 > Largely those not already on the list of 10 but on this list of 67 > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77237244


  • #153
    2012IE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭2012IE


    arctan wrote: »
    10 previously mentioned are being worked on at the moment, all due to be finished by mid July ...

    45 in the advanced planning stage, so work on them should start on them when gangs are finished in their areas, although could be sooner, as NGA teams are still being put together

    as for the other 45 ... havent a clue where they are, but I can only presume they'll ones mentioned in that top 100 list spongebob had up somewhere

    i heard from someone in the know, that Drogheda would be complete by the end of the year..


  • #154
    Crann na Beatha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • #155
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    2012IE wrote: »
    i heard from someone in the know, that Drogheda would be complete by the end of the year..

    Drogheda has about 6 exchanges ( 1 big and 5 small)...are they gonna do all of them??


  • #156
    iMuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭iMuse


    Aquila wrote: »
    But what would this Eircom product ofter against UPC and Magnet Fibre?what would make it competitive?

    The fact that UPC isn't available within 70 miles of my town and I can only get 3meg speed currently will make it competitive to me. But if you have the choice between the 3, I can't see why anyone would go with eircom over UPC.


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  • #157
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    Aquila wrote: »
    But what would this Eircom product ofter against UPC and Magnet Fibre?what would make it competitive?


    lots ... particularly to people who aren't in a urban bubble who'd be used to having high speed broadband access handy enough...

    although majority of Dublin will be targeted first (to be in direct competion with UPC) the infrastructure, cab to house, is already there almost throughout Eircom's network, so its a matter of getting new cabs in and pulling the the fibre and ESB and people will be jumping, in some cases from no broadband, to speeds well above the 5 or 6 megs mark right up to 50 megs to people within say the first 300- 500 m of the cab ...

    you also have to remember, even Dublin isn't covered 100% by high speed broadband by both eircom or UPC .... people in these cases will be getting a huge jump in speeds, especially in non UPC covered areas, some people again will be getting broadband who never even had it etc...

    as far as I know too, Eircom's 50 meg + VoIP, FTTC package is actually cheaper than their current similar legacy type package by up to 10 euro in some cases, even after the "offer" timeframe


  • #158
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    eircom defaulted on it's payments and is now seeking examinership... i doubt we will see those fibre upgrades under Eircom's banner now :(


  • #159
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    Well, I think you'll be surprised. There assets will go out to different companies etc... UPC will be more than happy to take up some of the lines and hang their cables from them.


  • #160
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Liamario wrote: »
    Well, I think you'll be surprised. There assets will go out to different companies etc... UPC will be more than happy to take up some of the lines and hang their cables from them.

    Why?


  • #161
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Liamario wrote: »
    Well, I think you'll be surprised. .

    I Am.

    6841909254_379724c6db_b.jpg


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  • #162
    D'Peoples Voice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    Liamario wrote: »
    Well, I think you'll be surprised. There assets will go out to different companies etc... UPC 3 Ireland - the National Broadband Providers will be more than happy to take up some of the lines and hang their cables from them.

    fixed that for you!
    Think Vodafone mobile and their landline business...
    Think emobile(Meteor) and their landline business...
    you never know:p


  • #163
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    D'Peoples Voice wrote: »
    fixed that for you!
    Think Vodafone mobile and their landline business...
    Think emobile(Meteor) and their landline business...
    you never know:p

    It's not unheard of for broadband providers to hang their fibre cables out of utility poles. Google do it in Kansas, and some other provider does it in California, and their home broadband is 1gb/s (both Google and California ISP*)

    EDIT: *A search is telling me their name is Sonic.NET


  • #164
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Sure much of the UPC cable network is overhead, clipped to houses


  • #165
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    It's very uncommon to see coax cable being deployed directly from wooden poles to houses in Ireland but it does occasionally happen. Clipping it to houses is definitely the most asthetically pleasing without having to dig up streets and I doubt local authorities would want more and more poles going up on streets on top of the eircom and ESB poles that commonly exist.


  • #166
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    In the US, they are usually carried on "joint use utility poles" / "joint poles"

    Power lines occupy the higher parts of them and telephone and cable operators occupy the lower parts.


    Explains all:

    http://www.annsgarden.com/poles/poles.htm

    While they're practical, they're also hideous looking. I'm sure however, you could add CATV wiring to the existing eircom poles / ducts and you could add fibre to either eircom or ESB overhead without any issue as it's non-conductive.


  • #167
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Course we don't have any of these poles in Ireland, do we???

    JP0-Fiber0.jpg


  • #168
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    Didn't the government subsidise, Eircom and or ESB to erect poles?

    And if so, surely they should have made the poles to other network providers.

    That being saying, I don't want to see the craziness of what those multi use poles looklike :eek:


  • #169
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Liamario wrote: »
    That being saying, I don't want to see the craziness of what those multi use poles looklike :eek:

    That last one was a small one, this is what happens when they put one on a corner.

    JP0-Indianapolis0.jpg


  • #170
    D'Peoples Voice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    before you even think about the above solution in Dublin
    have a read of this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056030373


  • #171
    deejer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭deejer


    My understanding was that they were moving away from overhead lines in the last few years. Even around me in the country alot of lines were put in the ground in the last few years.

    I hope Eircom can keep this upgrade on track. UPC are never going to come near my exchange, would never be financially viable for them. I had hoped that the line upgrade would be done by 2013-14 across the country but not holding out much hope for that.


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  • #172
    theTinker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭theTinker


    Would it be safe to expect eircom would be also rolling out the fibre to apartment blocks in the top 10 listed areas?

    Quite a few of them in tallaght.


  • #173
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    It would be safe to think they will consider it , especially very close to an exchange ( 1km or less) where they will have spare duct space after pulling copper out.

    The management company must invite and facilitate them, if it is controlled by a dodgy builder then no.


  • #174
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    That last one was a small one, this is what happens when they put one on a corner.

    JP0-Indianapolis0.jpg

    No, but we have a huge % of older areas served by overhead ESB low voltage 230/400V wiring and a large % of final drops of eircom lines done from a local pole to houses, even if the distribution lines are now ducted.

    I don't see any reason why UPC and others can't share the eircom poles for coax and why eircom, UPC and others can't use ESB poles for fibre. Fibre is non conductive and can be safely run in conjunction or near power lines !

    ESB themselves could even do fibre to home without much fuss. Just push it through ducts or clip among poles. They already have fibre on their high voltage transmission networks (major pylon routes).

    Virgin did some rollout of fibre using power line poles carrying fibre in small towns in the uk


  • #175
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Typical, I've been waiting for this for ages and only noticed this thread today. I got really excited and went straight on to the Eircom site to check the maps.
    The apartment developments on both sides of me and the housing in front of my development are all purple, mine isn't!
    I'll try give them a ring tomorrow to see why we're not connected but anyone got any ideas? Would it be our management agents refusing access to the Eircom engineers?

    I really need the higher speeds for work. Wfh is such a pain in the ass with large files.


  • #176
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Would it be our management agents refusing access to the Eircom engineers?
    Probably, course if you are a tenant they won't talk to you about it. :(


  • #177
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Probably, course if you are a tenant they won't talk to you about it. :(

    Management agents don't know why, Eircom and Magnet don't know why. Hmmm great.
    Magnet mentioned some of the units in my block are connected but had no clue if any others would be.
    Hopefully it will just take time.


  • #178
    Contrarian
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Contrarian


    eircom Group announced the locations for Phase II of its fibre rollout plan. The announcement follows last year’s commitment by eircom to spend €100 million on Phase 1 of a plan that aims to reach one million premises over the next four years.

    Phase II includes thirteen communities in eight counties across the country. Work is expected to commence late this summer and will continue through to the end of 2012.

    The communities include:

    Shantalla (Galway); Quaker Rd (Cork); Limerick City (Limerick); Rathedmond (Sligo); Ballincollig (Cork); Belcamp, Dun Laoghaire, Rochestown (Dublin); Ennis, (Clare); Drogheda, (Louth); Bray, (Wicklow); Ballina and Castlebar( Mayo).

    The locations announced today are in addition to the 14 areas previously announced. Once Phase II is completed, fibre will pass 250,000 homes and businesses within the 27 selected areas, providing speeds of 40 Mbps and beyond. The upgraded infrastructure will largely use fibre to the cabinet (FTTC) technology, but some direct fibre to the home (FTTH) will be used in certain areas.

    Commenting on the announcement, Paul Donovan, CEO eircom Group, said “We have committed to providing one million homes and business with fibre in the next three years. Today’s announcement underlines our desire to remain focused on our strategic aim to provide fibre based broadband services for Ireland. By the end of the year more than 250,000 premises will be able to avail of new services on offer.”

    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/26583-eircom-reveals-locations/


  • #179
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    Do we have a complete list of all phase 2 locations?


  • #180
    DRose1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭DRose1


    I have Eircom broadband in Drogheda (well about 5km outside the center of the town); my connection is not great (relatively unstable 3mb), so it would be great if this upgrade benefited me in any way.


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  • #181
    bealtine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    Liamario wrote: »
    Do we have a complete list of all phase 2 locations?

    the list is one post above...


  • #182
    stevenf17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭stevenf17


    Liamario wrote: »
    Do we have a complete list of all phase 2 locations?

    That's the complete list up above you!
    Contrarian wrote: »
    Shantalla (Galway); Quaker Rd (Cork); Limerick City (Limerick); Rathedmond (Sligo); Ballincollig (Cork); Belcamp, Dun Laoghaire, Rochestown (Dublin); Ennis, (Clare); Drogheda, (Louth); Bray, (Wicklow); Ballina and Castlebar( Mayo).


  • #183
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    They are not doing the rural areas at all.

    Mervue in phase 1 and Shantalla in phase 2 have sizeable rural hinterlands that are not being upgraded at all. EG Menlo, Carnmore and Bushypark.

    This is some cod :(


  • #184
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    Yahoo, at least in my office I'll have good broadband in the next 12 months,


  • #185
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    All of the phase 2 areas are on this map ( from an eircom presentation last year) as is the 250,000 a year target. If your area is not on this map then forget it.

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  • #186
    Hogzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    What do cabinets actually look like? We have a large Green box within about 200m of our home in a housing estate. It makes a loud enough buzzing noise (its probably an ESB box tbh).

    Can anyone post an image of what an Eircom Cabinet looks like so i can try find out how far i am from one. Im living in Grange (Cork) and i am connected to the Douglas exchange (Listed under Phase 1)


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  • #187
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    They are not doing the rural areas at all.

    Mervue in phase 1 and Shantalla in phase 2 have sizeable rural hinterlands that are not being upgraded at all. EG Menlo, Carnmore and Bushypark.

    This is some cod :(
    Are there no cabinets out that direction? I can't find any additional details on the Phase 2 announcement. In particular on the rural hinterland of Drogheda!!


  • #188
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    Are there no cabinets out that direction? I can't find any additional details on the Phase 2 announcement. In particular on the rural hinterland of Drogheda!!

    You can see the rural hinterland west and north of Drogheda on this here map here.

    http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=http:%2F%2Fwww.nextgenerationethernet.com%2Fexchanges.kmz&ll=53.732466,-6.360741&spn=0.108249,0.308647&t=m&z=12

    I can guarantee you that places like Tullyesker and Townleyhall and Bealieu and Dowth and Bawntaafe will not get any 40Gbit VDSL products...if they get stable ADSL2+ they will be doing well.

    You can see a very small exchange out in Tullyallen surrounded by the Drogheda exchange area where they ran out of copper some years back, bet that won't be upgraded to VDSL either.


  • #189
    iMuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭iMuse


    arctan wrote: »


    bit of a crap shot

    http://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.290065,-6.199379&spn=0.007209,0.021136&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.290132,-6.199446&panoid=kxsrKSDHZEEK-dW-g2mLDQ&cbp=12,253.34,,1,12.68

    in around 2M long, 2 cubic meters I think it's volume is
    Hogzy wrote: »
    What do cabinets actually look like? We have a large Green box within about 200m of our home in a housing estate. It makes a loud enough buzzing noise (its probably an ESB box tbh).

    Can anyone post an image of what an Eircom Cabinet looks like so i can try find out how far i am from one. Im living in Grange (Cork) and i am connected to the Douglas exchange (Listed under Phase 1)

    From earlier in the thread, post a pic from google street view and im sure someone will be able to tell you if its a cabinet


  • #190
    Hogzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Is this a cabinet???

    EDIT: Image is prob too big to embed.


  • #191
    D'Peoples Voice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    They are not doing the rural areas at all.

    This is some cod :(
    ah now this is the Age of the Soundbites!

    Saying they WILL pass the homes of a QUARTER of a million homes,
    conjures up immediately, for the management board,
    hundreds of thousands of potential new customers for minimal investment.
    They are thinking, wow this could be a fantastic rate of return on the investment.

    If they were to pick a rural area,
    to be able to give a nice big figure like quarter of a million customers to the managment board, they would probably need an investment of 2-3 times the current investment. Not very easy to convince management then :rolleyes:

    I can completely understand their PR in this case.
    Obviously our razor sharp journalists will pick up on the fact that many of these 250,000 homes will have a current Eircom product that already satisifes their requirements or will have a reasonable package from a competiting telecommunications provider, and therefore a large percentage of that 250,000 will not migrate over. So their rates of return won't look as good in reality.
    But reality is nothing, perception is everything ;)


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  • #192
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Typical, I've been waiting for this for ages and only noticed this thread today. I got really excited and went straight on to the Eircom site to check the maps.
    The apartment developments on both sides of me and the housing in front of my development are all purple, mine isn't!
    I'll try give them a ring tomorrow to see why we're not connected but anyone got any ideas? Would it be our management agents refusing access to the Eircom engineers?

    I really need the higher speeds for work. Wfh is such a pain in the ass with large files.

    eircom offered to feed almost all new apartment developments from around 05/06 onwards... (this whole NGA scheme has been in the pipeline since then) ... some developments got it, but eircom gave some developers the two fingers because the developer had to put in the civils and were trying to make a few quid after by saying "it's our civils, so if your services are in them you have to pay us rent on it" ...

    that explains why some have it, some don't ... and why some shells of apartments with no tenants have fibre for superfast broadband, while the housing estate next to it doesn't :pac:

    Hogzy wrote: »
    Is this a cabinet???

    EDIT: Image is prob too big to embed.

    no thats an ESB sub station ...

    this is a FTTC cab

    118k5rt.jpg


    D'Peoples Voice wrote: »
    ah now this is the Age of the Soundbites!

    Saying they WILL pass the homes of a QUARTER of a million homes,
    conjures up immediately, for the management board,
    hundreds of thousands of potential new customers for minimal investment.
    They are thinking, wow this could be a fantastic rate of return on the investment.

    If they were to pick a rural area,
    to be able to give a nice big figure like quarter of a million customers to the managment board, they would probably need an investment of 2-3 times the current investment. Not very easy to convince management then rolleyes.gif

    I can completely understand their PR in this case.
    Obviously our razor sharp journalists will pick up on the fact that many of these 250,000 homes will have a current Eircom product that already satisifes their requirements or will have a reasonable package from a competiting telecommunications provider, and therefore a large percentage of that 250,000 will not migrate over. So their rates of return won't look as good in reality.
    But reality is nothing, perception is everything wink.gif

    you'd actually be surprised the amount of people who are coming back to Eircom ... lots of reasons, ****e UPC (sometimes service, sometimes customer service) ... coming back from OLO's (OLO's can only guarantee PSTN faults fixed for free... anything after that is charged, plus there can be a lead time delay in faults being fixed) ... landline needed (i.e. for Sky multiroom, which has to be installed by Eircom) etc...


  • #193
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    arctan wrote: »
    you'd actually be surprised the amount of people who are coming back to Eircom ... lots of reasons, ****e UPC (sometimes service, sometimes customer service) ... coming back from OLO's (OLO's can only guarantee PSTN faults fixed for free... anything after that is charged, plus there can be a lead time delay in faults being fixed) ... landline needed (i.e. for Sky multiroom, which has to be installed by Eircom) etc...

    Err, while some people might be coming back, they are in fact losing customers at a much greater rate then they are gaining them back.

    They are mostly losing customers to:
    1) UPC with their much higher speeds and quality service
    2) Wireless 3G services

    Basically Eircom are piggy in the middle. People who want a higher quality service (speed, download cap) are heading to UPC. Those that just want basic browsing, email, etc. are heading to the much cheaper wireless 3g services.

    Eircom are gaining back some customers, but that is mostly from OLO bitsream DSL customers like UTV, Vodafone, etc. But as they are Eircom customers anyway, it isn't such a positive.


  • #194
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    it's fairly balanced at the moment with people coming and going, customer base is still up from last year so far...


  • #195
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    arctan wrote: »
    it's fairly balanced at the moment with people coming and going, customer base is still up from last year so far...

    Interesting to note that Eircom no longer produce Quarterly Reports, which they did up till 2010 and no Annual report for 2011. Things must be really bad.

    The most recent report I can find is up till May 2011:
    http://pressroom.eircom.net/press_releases/article/eircom_third_quarter_and_nine_month_results_announcement_to_31_march_2011/

    PSTN lines:
    - retail down 37,000
    - wholesale up 9,000

    Fixed line Broadband:
    - Retail down 9,000
    - Wholesale Bitsream up 4,000
    - Wholesale LLU up 1,000

    Doesn't look good to me at all.


  • #196
    DRose1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭DRose1


    bk wrote: »
    Interesting to note that Eircom no longer produce Quarterly Reports, which they did up till 2010 and no Annual report for 2011. Things must be really bad.

    The most recent report I can find is up till May 2011:
    http://pressroom.eircom.net/press_releases/article/eircom_third_quarter_and_nine_month_results_announcement_to_31_march_2011/

    PSTN lines:
    - retail down 37,000
    - wholesale up 9,000

    Fixed line Broadband:
    - Retail down 9,000
    - Wholesale Bitsream up 4,000
    - Wholesale LLU up 1,000

    Doesn't look good to me at all.
    Hypothetical situation... the sh!t really hits the fan at eircom (far more-so than in recent months) and it results in them going into fire-sale mode...

    Would a company like UPC step in and takeover Eircoms existing DSL customers (who are using Eircoms current cabling infrastructure) or is it possible that those of us who cannot currently get UPC etc would be left without broadband?


  • #197
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    DRose1 wrote: »
    Hypothetical situation... the sh!t really hits the fan at eircom (far more-so than in recent months) and it results in them going into fire-sale mode...

    Would a company like UPC step in and takeover Eircoms existing DSL customers (who are using Eircoms current cabling infrastructure) or is it possible that those of us who cannot currently get UPC etc would be left without broadband?

    Upc certainly would not step in. Someone else may after a large debt write off, but Eircom isn´t hugely attractive as an investment anymore. There will always be an Eircom or an entity doing what Eircom do.

    However, they will keep losing market share unless they can invest. I think their debt will be partially written off. They will shed a lot of jobs to try and save money. They are overstaffed and their staff are on big bucks. A lot of them are not trained in the new stuff like fttc or fibre in general.

    Their fibre rollout phase 1 & phase 2 is welcomed but it is not exactly a fast rollout. I am sure there is a lack of funds and a lack of trained teams.


  • #198
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    NGA is running out at fairly fast pace at the moment, most areas are ahead of schedule

    there were problems with techs not wanting to move over to the NGA rollout after what happened to techs during the pilot trial, but more and more are jumping on board and training programs are happening weekly throughout the country, so trained staff is not a problem

    re:take overs

    if the **** does hit the fan ...hypothetically, expect meteor, eircom wholesale, and pretty much anything on the fixed access side of things to be sold off .... most likely buyers being Sky or Vodafone or the likes etc...

    Eircom would still remain as a company, but only in charge of the core side of the network (exchange to exchange, network to network etc...)

    as part of the deal I'd see the debt burdon being shared by Eircom and whatever potential buyer....


  • #199
    bealtine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    arctan wrote: »

    re:take overs

    if the **** does hit the fan ...hypothetically, expect meteor, eircom wholesale, and pretty much anything on the fixed access side of things to be sold off .... most likely buyers being Sky or Vodafone or the likes etc...

    Eircom would still remain as a company, but only in charge of the core side of the network (exchange to exchange, network to network etc...)

    as part of the deal I'd see the debt burdon being shared by Eircom and whatever potential buyer....

    I don't see eircom collapsing, the most likely outcome imho is that the senior lenders take control of the company and then renegotiate the debt. Hopefully that will be the outcome anyway.

    Basically if eircom don't invest in FTTH/FTTC then they will wither away and slowly die. So consider this rollout as a strategic investment and needs to be widened out considerably for their own sake.
    The big question is what eircom will do on the fringes of the exchanges they've announced...


  • #200
    DRose1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭DRose1


    I could certainly see Sky making a play for some of the assets if they became available. They already have the digital tv market by the proverbial balls over here and I am sure they would be happy to roll out 'sky broadband' if they got the chance (much like they have in the UK already).


  • #201
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    at the moment, even with all the ****e in the papers, I don't see them collapsing either .... had it been this time instead of 4 months ago, I'd say STT would have stayed in too

    Eircom is still very profitable, there are another 3 months of examinership (well if they get the extension) in which time the first few areas of FTTC and FTTH of the second phase will have come online, this will be a big part of Eircom's argument for re-structure of debt, that they can afford it, but need to have timelines and payments re-structured ...

    if that goes ahead, I could see other potential investors coming out of the woodwork because they would have a long term infrastructure plan, hence increased annual turnover


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