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frazzledhome · 31-07-2015 10:48pm

Bullocks wrote: »

Does he do a deal with someone for the silage he buys with regards quality and is it much costlier to buy it as opposed to cutting himself? Probably just as handy to buy in if the quality is good enough.
I suppose there is nothing stopping him buying a bank of silage in the good year to tide him over on a bad year just the same as other lads will make surplus bales from their own farm

He buys standing crop and mows when he decides. He doesn't buy bales

I have silage bought delivered to the yard, we push up and we decide when it's cut

Timmaay · 31-07-2015 10:58pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

He buys standing crop and mows when he decides. He doesn't buy bales

I have silage bought delivered to the yard, we push up and we decide when it's cut

Doing that here a good bit also, the aim is to keep pushing the SR and make less 1st cut.

frazzledhome · 31-07-2015 11:03pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Doing that here a good bit also, the aim is to keep pushing the SR and make less 1st cut.

Yea Tim, we're going that direction also well considering it anyway. Will have to feed bales to carry more numbers which will require a feed yard/passage to be provided on our farm.

Would do in a heart beat but need to consider if the extra expense will give a return.

Timmaay · 31-07-2015 11:19pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yea Tim, we're going that direction also well considering it anyway. Will have to feed bales to carry more numbers which will require a feed yard/passage to be provided on our farm.

Would do in a heart beat but need to consider if the extra expense will give a return.

The way I'm looking at it is 120 cows isn't going to be much difference to our current 85 cows from a labour point of view. In terms of the SR, our main limitation I think will be droughts 2bh, if you're at a gr of only 15/20 instead of 60/80 for alot of July/Aug/Sept that's going to put serious pressure on any sort of highly stocked system. The main thing that I don't have yet for a high SR are high dmd paddock wraps, stuff we cut still tends to be too heavy, this is a mix of my dad's unwillingness to cut sooner and contractors not liking small numbers of bales.

mahoney_j · 01-08-2015 12:06am

Timmaay wrote: »

The way I'm looking at it is 120 cows isn't going to be much difference to our current 85 cows from a labour point of view. In terms of the SR, our main limitation I think will be droughts 2bh, if you're at a gr of only 15/20 instead of 60/80 for alot of July/Aug/Sept that's going to put serious pressure on any sort of highly stocked system. The main thing that I don't have yet for a high SR are high dmd paddock wraps, stuff we cut still tends to be too heavy, this is a mix of my dad's unwillingness to cut sooner and contractors not liking small numbers of bales.

Didnt Stan cost high quality maize silage lower than 80 did grass silage??.could this be an option for you.its something I'm considering too ,full time sr of 3.5 on milk platform .close no silage off it naby higher .cobtract rear heifer calves and maidens and only take back January before calving.make as many bales as possible from out block and make up difference with maize silage.

Brown Podzol · 01-08-2015 6:51am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yea Tim, we're going that direction also well considering it anyway. Will have to feed bales to carry more numbers which will require a feed yard/passage to be provided on our farm.

Would do in a heart beat but need to consider if the extra expense will give a return.

Unless your going to stock low at around 2/2.2 your going to need to buffer feed at some point, just a matter of when.

Brown Podzol · 01-08-2015 6:58am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Didnt Stan cost high quality maize silage lower than 80 did grass silage??.could this be an option for you.its something I'm considering too ,full time sr of 3.5 on milk platform .close no silage off it naby higher .cobtract rear heifer calves and maidens and only take back January before calving.make as many bales as possible from out block and make up difference with maize silage.

Problem with maize as buffer feed is heating at the face if you are only taking out a bit now and again, although some additives will slow this. Carrying these high stocking rates here with a good number of years and I will go to 5/6 kg meal before I put in buffer, less labour, but you need the right cow to give the return. Milk/feed price ratio a needs to be right too.

Timmaay · 01-08-2015 7:52am

Maize is much lower than 80dmd silage for protein also.

Milked out · 01-08-2015 7:57am

Timmaay wrote: »

Maize is much lower than 80dmd silage for protein also.

If at grass it's no bother grass will have the p, problem is its in too late in autumn to be of much benefit. Good in spring but managing pit is difficult if using small amounts

mahoney_j · 01-08-2015 8:01am

Timmaay wrote: »

Maize is much lower than 80dmd silage for protein also.

That's only disadvantage,has to be balanced for p .but as a buffer at grass or for winter milkers on an energy basis it won't be beaten .

frazzledhome · 01-08-2015 8:16am

Timmaay wrote: »

The way I'm looking at it is 120 cows isn't going to be much difference to our current 85 cows from a labour point of view. In terms of the SR, our main limitation I think will be droughts 2bh, if you're at a gr of only 15/20 instead of 60/80 for alot of July/Aug/Sept that's going to put serious pressure on any sort of highly stocked system. The main thing that I don't have yet for a high SR are high dmd paddock wraps, stuff we cut still tends to be too heavy, this is a mix of my dad's unwillingness to cut sooner and contractors not liking small numbers of bales.

Winter milk is a great way to drop SR in Aug as you'll be drying that group

Deepsouthwest · 01-08-2015 8:16am

frazzledhome wrote: »

More of a feather lite man?
The ribbed would be great for cleaning the clusters

What do u wash ur clusters with? Ur lad or ur hands?!!

Greengrass1 · 01-08-2015 8:21am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

What do u wash ur clusters with? Ur lad or ur hands?!!

I doubt it'd be border bia approved

kevthegaff · 01-08-2015 8:39am

How does one get winter milk contract?

frazzledhome · 01-08-2015 9:42am

kevthegaff wrote: »

How does one get winter milk contract?

One doesn't

Closed shop in Glanbia anyway. Only outlet for winter cream is Baileys and supply matches demand.

Liquid contract is available on the open market but I don't know availability or price. Stan could confirm

stretch film · 01-08-2015 9:47am

frazzledhome wrote: »

One doesn't Closed shop in Glanbia anyway. Only outlet for winter cream is Baileys and supply matches demand.

Liquid contract is available on the open market but I don't know availability or price. Stan could confirm

Does anyone know a new entrant to liquid milk in the Glanbia area . Door well closed

mahoney_j · 01-08-2015 9:52am

kevthegaff wrote: »

How does one get winter milk contract?

Just liquid in our coop Kev,max of 7 cent over base .you could get some but not enough to justify going into winter milk the quantity would be so small .

frazzledhome · 01-08-2015 9:52am

stretch film wrote: »

Does anyone know a new entrant to liquid milk in the Glanbia area . Door well closed

Can contract not be bought?
Winter scheme closed that I'm certain of

Brown Podzol · 01-08-2015 10:24am

Milked out wrote: »

If at grass it's no bother grass will have the p, problem is its in too late in autumn to be of much benefit. Good in spring but managing pit is difficult if using small amounts

Maize bales would sort feed out difficulties but price could be prohibitive.

Milked out · 01-08-2015 10:58am

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Maize bales would sort feed out difficulties but price could be prohibitive.

Yeah I think it was 10 or 12 euro a bale to get em to come out, not even sure if that was plastic included. Might give em a shout and do twenty or 30 bales and see the price to save opening the pit when cows are still out

C0N0R · 01-08-2015 11:33am

What's the difference between winter milk and liquid milk contracts?

Milked out · 01-08-2015 11:37am

C0N0R wrote: »

What's the difference between winter milk and liquid milk contracts?

Winter milk in dairygold anyway is a bonus over the manufacturing price for Nov to feb on the milk your contracted to supply anything above tgat gets manufacturing price, liquid is a fixed amount of supply a month given a liquid price in dependant of manufacturing price I think, lads might clarify there

Timmaay · 01-08-2015 11:51am

Milked out wrote: »

Winter milk in dairygold anyway is a bonus over the manufacturing price for Nov to feb on the milk your contracted to supply anything above tgat gets manufacturing price, liquid is a fixed amount of supply a month given a liquid price in dependant of manufacturing price I think, lads might clarify there

Glanbia complicate it further, our premier winter bonus based on a winter supply profile from afew reference years period in around 2002 I think, in our case we were under pressure them few years, and undersupplied, so as a result we have no January excess milk winter bonus. It makes any litre of milk over our Jan liquid contract very expensively produced. Liquid milk contract can be purchased, but your excluded from selling any of it for 3years, so you got to be sure you're sticking it out.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-08-2015 12:12pm

C0N0R wrote: »

What's the difference between winter milk and liquid milk contracts?

Liquid milk is for drinking milk and winter milk is for other milk products like powder?

Milked out · 01-08-2015 12:31pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Glanbia complicate it further, our premier winter bonus based on a winter supply profile from afew reference years period in around 2002 I think, in our case we were under pressure them few years, and undersupplied, so as a result we have no January excess milk winter bonus. It makes any litre of milk over our Jan liquid contract very expensively produced. Liquid milk contract can be purchased, but your excluded from selling any of it for 3years, so you got to be sure you're sticking it out.

Ours is based on 09/10 quota year supply, 30% max of that years quota or supply could be chosen as the total for 4 months. Then each month must have a minimum amount with lactose above 4.5.

kevthegaff · 01-08-2015 12:49pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just liquid in our coop Kev,max of 7 cent over base .you could get some but not enough to justify going into winter milk the quantity would be so small .

how much does it cost j to get into it?

greenfield21 · 01-08-2015 1:41pm

Anybody know if Lakeland can take a bulk milk sample for worms. does the lab in bailieboro do this type of testing?

whelan2 · 01-08-2015 3:19pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Finally got a door for the dairy ha ( grant inspection due soon,) Picked up someone's old pvc double glazed back door. Bloody thing is waay fresher and better than the house door here ha.

we got a patio door-an old one- Did you show your milk man what way you would be putting the door in? Ours didnt like the way we had the door in and we had to change it:rolleyes::rolleyes: broke the glass in one side of the door in the process. So we have white pvc in one side.

Timmaay · 01-08-2015 3:49pm

whelan2 wrote: »

we got a patio door-an old one- Did you show your milk man what way you would be putting the door in? Ours didnt like the way we had the door in and we had to change it:rolleyes::rolleyes: broke the glass in one side of the door in the process. So we have white pvc in one side.

He comes at 4am, never talk to him! Unless the driver is going to be 25stone+ I can't see what issues he'd have with the door I've put in haha. Its a pvc back door for a house with a seperate panel at the side. I was originally looking for a sliding door, then I realised the gap wasn't really wide enough, any sliding door would have been quite narrow.

whelan2 · 01-08-2015 6:14pm

Timmaay wrote: »

He comes at 4am, never talk to him! Unless the driver is going to be 25stone+ I can't see what issues he'd have with the door I've put in haha. Its a pvc back door for a house with a seperate panel at the side. I was originally looking for a sliding door, then I realised the gap wasn't really wide enough, any sliding door would have been quite narrow.

my driver comes at the same time but he rang to complain:rolleyes:

Timmaay · 01-08-2015 6:44pm

whelan2 wrote: »

my driver comes at the same time but he rang to complain:rolleyes:

Ha just happened to lose my phone yday....

whelan2 · 01-08-2015 6:49pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Ha just happened to lose my phone yday....

ah this guy complains about anything, said i put the tank in the wrong place, roof wasnt high enough...................wanted me to move tank after it had been plumbed in

Greengrass1 · 01-08-2015 6:50pm

whelan2 wrote: »

ah this guy complains about anything, said i put the tank in the wrong place, roof wasnt high enough...................wanted me to move tank after it had been plumbed in

I'd tell him to fcuk off if he told me to move the door

whelan2 · 01-08-2015 6:56pm

we put a small window in wall to put pipe in to tank, he said he wouldnt use it, door was opening on wrong side for him, so inside is on the outside iykwim. I asked him before we put door in was there anything he wanted done and he said work away.

mf240 · 01-08-2015 9:52pm

whelan2 wrote: »

my driver comes at the same time but he rang to complain:rolleyes:

Lock the door the next night hes due and divert your phone to the samaratans:D:D

just do it · 01-08-2015 11:01pm

whelan2 wrote: »

my driver comes at the same time but he rang to complain:rolleyes:

Complain that he's waking the baby with his 4am collections and that could he leave it till 7am

whelan2 · 02-08-2015 8:42am

just do it wrote: »

Complain that he's waking the baby with his 4am collections and that could he leave it till 7am

dont mind him coming at that time as the yard is always clear and theres no kids running around.

Greengrass1 · 02-08-2015 11:04am

Check out @WGrayling's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WGrayling/status/398162252387201024?s=09

Didn't something similar happen to some one on here this spring

just do it · 02-08-2015 1:28pm

Indo OAD article
http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/it-was-either-once-a-day-milking-or-get-rid-of-the-cows-as-i-couldnt-cope-anymore-31407212.html

browned · 02-08-2015 2:17pm

just do it wrote: »

Indo OAD article
http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/it-was-either-once-a-day-milking-or-get-rid-of-the-cows-as-i-couldnt-cope-anymore-31407212.html

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2012/1122/1122_TodaysFarmMarApr2012.pdf

Same farmer page 16/17 gives a better breakdown of profit and the initial conversion

C0N0R · 02-08-2015 2:42pm

Anyone built a silage pit recently? Just looking for rough costs, concrete pad with walls each side

Greengrass1 · 03-08-2015 7:36am

Did anyone see the land mobility page in this wks ifj?
Serious amount of opportunities out there for young people who are willing to work.
Be something like that of me doing if mam and dad never moved

whelan2 · 03-08-2015 9:10am

Also a good financial pull out in the journal this week

browned · 03-08-2015 9:20am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did anyone see the land mobility page in this wks ifj?
Serious amount of opportunities out there for young people who are willing to work.
Be something like that of me doing if mam and dad never moved

Willing to work may be the big stumbling block. Was talking to austin Finn last year and he was saying the Young farmers were the main problems he was facing, too rigid in their expectations. The mature farm owners were the ones more open to the opportunities.

Greengrass1 · 03-08-2015 10:05am

browned wrote: »

Willing to work may be the big stumbling block. Was talking to austin Finn last year and he was saying the Young farmers were the main problems he was facing, too rigid in their expectations. The mature farm owners were the ones more open to the opportunities.

Rigid in what expectations?
Looks to be plenty land around the country to be farmed

td5man · 03-08-2015 10:09am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Rigid in what expectations?
Looks to be plenty land around the country to be farmed

Know a few lads that can talk the talk but don't like farming interfering with there social life.

browned · 03-08-2015 10:24am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Rigid in what expectations?
Looks to be plenty land around the country to be farmed

Weren't willing to move to where the opportunities were and weren't willing to compromise with the owners.

Deepsouthwest · 03-08-2015 11:37am

Tbh I wouldn't blame a lot of these lads for setting their expectation levels pretty high before signing into a long agreement to work a farm that they will probably never own.
A lot of these lads are bright with bright educated friends who are working 35/40 hr wks, with paid holidays, doing lots of travelling getting life experiences etc.
In farming we're expecting any young lad who's coming in to take over to work 7 days a wk on minimum wage, with the only hope of making good money out of it is to work crazy hrs every wk.
I think we need to wise up, it's a changing world.
Work to live, not live to work.

Dawggone · 03-08-2015 12:04pm

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Tbh I wouldn't blame a lot of these lads for setting their expectation levels pretty high before signing into a long agreement to work a farm that they will probably never own.
A lot of these lads are bright with bright educated friends who are working 35/40 hr wks, with paid holidays, doing lots of travelling getting life experiences etc.
In farming we're expecting any young lad who's coming in to take over to work 7 days a wk on minimum wage, with the only hope of making good money out of it is to work crazy hrs every wk.
I think we need to wise up, it's a changing world.
Work to live, not live to work.

Totally disagree Dsw.

"He who stands with mouth open waiting for roast duck to fly in, will stand long time".
Hours and work are the nature of the game...if they can't stand the heat...

darragh_haven · 03-08-2015 12:09pm

Dawggone wrote: »

Totally disagree Dsw.

"He who stands with mouth open waiting for roast duck to fly in, will stand long time".
Hours and work are the nature of the game...if they can't stand the heat...

Hours and work are the nature of the farming game. But alot of the lads in their early twenties (who may or may not have been to college) can see an alternative for just the same or even more reward.

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