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mahoney_j · 30-07-2015 11:49am

browned wrote: »

There were common costs of 18.76c/l quoted on a farm walk in Tipperary recently. Not the same as cop but could the bank manager have been mixing them up?

Nope def full cop

kowtow · 30-07-2015 11:59am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

35% more milk.
Won't make that decision on one yr.
We all knew what we were heading into but still have faith we'll get back to a stable market paying 34c base

Out of interest GG where do you get the figure of a 34c base - as opposed to, say, 32c, or 36c?

kowtow · 30-07-2015 12:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Most people have no clue what it costs them to produce a litre of milk

+1000

browned · 30-07-2015 12:09pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Nope def full cop

Hard to imagine any that low in Ireland. Was talking to guy back from tour in states cop on a indoor dairy was at 18c/l and grass based system 14c/l. Two exceptional farms and not the norm over there But scary figures all the same

AntrimGlens · 30-07-2015 12:43pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Most people have no clue what it costs them to produce a litre of milk

What would the average cost of borrowings be amongst most dairy farmers in the south in cent per litres terms?

Was talking to a few dairy men here about milk prices and costs of production and they reckoned average borrowings/interest costs are approx 7ppl or roughly a quarter of cop.

Wouldn't be that high would it?

Panch18 · 30-07-2015 12:49pm

browned wrote: »

There were common costs of 18.76c/l quoted on a farm walk in Tipperary recently. Not the same as cop but could the bank manager have been mixing them up?

was this on a farm in the ballybacon/Ardfinnan area? beside the church?

stanflt · 30-07-2015 12:56pm

You can work on sr on milking platform of around 5 lu ha till around early June

After that I would recommend max of 3-3.2

By all accounts the men on the grassland walk are at the very top of there game and don't miss a trick grass wise- not everyone including myself could maintain their standards

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 1:07pm

kowtow wrote: »

Out of interest GG where do you get the figure of a 34c base - as opposed to, say, 32c, or 36c?

Just pulled it out of the air. Could easily have said 32c

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 1:09pm

stanflt wrote: »

You can work on sr on milking platform of around 5 lu ha till around early June

After that I would recommend max of 3-3.2

By all accounts the men on the grassland walk are at the very top of there game and don't miss a trick grass wise- not everyone including myself could maintain their standards

Agree but it's something to strive for I think.
The more grass I can grow the better

browned · 30-07-2015 1:26pm

Panch18 wrote: »

was this on a farm in the ballybacon/Ardfinnan area? beside the church?

No idea wasnt able to make the walk . The book from the walk was posted as a link on here tho.

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 1:37pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/poll-dairy-farmers-whats-your-cost-of-production/

Thought ours was high but when I see 27c not inc repayments I reckon were not too bad.

jaymla627 · 30-07-2015 3:41pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Agree but it's something to strive for I think.
The more grass I can grow the better

Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline

mahoney_j · 30-07-2015 3:50pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline

I for one would love to see o tooles place in a scenario like 2012/13 stocked nearly 4 cows per he..wasn't there Tuesday but was over a year ago.great operator and all the rest but a real fine line operation that couldn't take too many bumps as regards feed deficits ,****ty weather poor growth etc.
On your last paragraph above jay couldn't agree more

frazzledhome · 30-07-2015 4:06pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline

One common thread on both farms was taking a 5yr view on profit and production. They didn't do panic and that was clear. In the 2012 NoT wouldn't have been stocked so highly.

He is however growing a lot if grass consistently on a dry farm. Make no mistake that its a farm with lots of feed going into cows al be it mostly grass

Milked out · 30-07-2015 4:19pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

One common thread on both farms was taking a 5yr view on profit and production. They didn't do panic and that was clear. In the 2012 NoT wouldn't have been stocked so highly.

He is however growing a lot if grass consistently on a dry farm. Make no mistake that its a farm with lots of feed going into cows al be it mostly grass

The big advantage u mention there, aside from being good operators, is its a dry farm, in 2012 here it was the wet weather that really hammered heavy ground as while dry ground could be managed wet ground was unusable for parts of summer not a mind the autumn

browned · 30-07-2015 4:35pm

according to the boards he produced 1450kgsms/ha in 2012 and in 2013 it was 1650kgs/Ms/ha. the sr looks to be 3.6 in 2012 and 3.75 in 2013.

kowtow · 30-07-2015 4:39pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Just pulled it out of the air. Could easily have said 32c

Well if you ever get sick of that farm (and I don't think you will) at least we know you are 100% qualified to take over any of the "pillar" banks, or - should you wish - the finance ministry.

frazzledhome · 30-07-2015 4:42pm

kowtow wrote: »

Well if you ever get sick of that farm (and I don't think you will) at least we know you are 100% qualified to take over any of the "pillar" banks, or - should you wish - the finance ministry.

Excellent Lol

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 5:49pm

Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking

stretch film · 30-07-2015 5:58pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking

Splitting half way through is a pet hate of mine . Spoils the rhythm

td5man · 30-07-2015 6:32pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking

Wonder who did you sweet talk to get them? ;-)

jaymla627 · 30-07-2015 6:32pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

I for one would love to see o tooles place in a scenario like 2012/13 stocked nearly 4 cows per he..wasn't there Tuesday but was over a year ago.great operator and all the rest but a real fine line operation that couldn't take too many bumps as regards feed deficits ,****ty weather poor growth etc.
On your last paragraph above jay couldn't agree more

Vaguely remember being on a walk their back a couple of years ago, cows where pushed very hard their by his own admission re grazing out paddocks/no moddecollying, was also discussed how their had been some seriously high culling rates in the years previous to get the cow type he wanted....
That's a point teagasc don't emphasis either in systems like this and greenfields, in the early years your culling rates are crazy high as you weed out the passangers (in most instances are higher production ladies who simply fall by the wayside as their simply not being feed properly) with the cost of rearing replacement heifers and the obvious advantages of having a more mature herd you have to be very wary going the route of the above draining money from the business in the early years before you get the resilient x-bred who will motor along in this system

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 6:51pm

td5man wrote: »

Wonder who did you sweet talk to get them? ;-)

I was offered them

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-07-2015 7:39pm

It's good to see the EU taking the current dairy crisis with due seriousness.

They are having a meeting on it on 7th September.

That's why they get the big bucks:rolleyes:

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/agriculture-ministers-to-meet-in-september-on-eu-dairy-crisis/

Timmaay · 30-07-2015 8:10pm

Finally got a door for the dairy ha ( grant inspection due soon,) Picked up someone's old pvc double glazed back door. Bloody thing is waay fresher and better than the house door here ha.

browned · 30-07-2015 8:16pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Vaguely remember being on a walk their back a couple of years ago, cows where pushed very hard their by his own admission re grazing out paddocks/no moddecollying, was also discussed how their had been some seriously high culling rates in the years previous to get the cow type he wanted....
That's a point teagasc don't emphasis either in systems like this and greenfields, in the early years your culling rates are crazy high as you weed out the passangers (in most instances are higher production ladies who simply fall by the wayside as their simply not being feed properly) with the cost of rearing replacement heifers and the obvious advantages of having a more mature herd you have to be very wary going the route of the above draining money from the business in the early years before you get the resilient x-bred who will motor along in this system

Any system change will result in higher cull rates as the herd adjusts to its new environment. an liquid herd going 100% spring will have high culls even if no change in genetics. Know of a 100% autumn herd tgat converted to 100% spring (cold turkey) and a change to xbreds and the whole herd was changed within 3 years (cow wise) was reading in the indo of a change from tad to oad and it took 3 years for yields to return and a higher than normal culling rate.
On the walk tue it was said the herd started out as bf and from 2000 onwards lic genetics were used so I can't imagine there was much upheaval as 15 years is a very gradual conversion. He did say that due to a 7% empty rate and rearing a lot of replacements he'd sell a lot of cows that doesn't calve with in the first 6 weeks so maybe this is where the high culling rate comes from. This would be more voluntery culling though.

degetme · 30-07-2015 9:11pm

Have a pile of surplus bales. Would one get away with feeding these bales around seventy five dmd and just 1 kilo of meal in the autumn with grass in the last rotation without losing body condition score? Black and White herd

caseman · 30-07-2015 9:56pm

browned wrote: »

Any system change will result in higher cull rates as the herd adjusts to its new environment. an liquid herd going 100% spring will have high culls even if no change in genetics. Know of a 100% autumn herd tgat converted to 100% spring (cold turkey) and a change to xbreds and the whole herd was changed within 3 years (cow wise) was reading in the indo of a change from tad to oad and it took 3 years for yields to return and a higher than normal culling rate.
On the walk tue it was said the herd started out as bf and from 2000 onwards lic genetics were used so I can't imagine there was much upheaval as 15 years is a very gradual conversion. He did say that due to a 7% empty rate and rearing a lot of replacements he'd sell a lot of cows that doesn't calve with in the first 6 weeks so maybe this is where the high culling rate comes from. This would be more voluntery culling though.

That was a good article in the indo about oad change over.

browned · 30-07-2015 10:28pm

caseman wrote: »

That was a good article in the indo about oad change over.

Yeah read about them a few years back in the teagasc magazine. Think they were runner ups in the indo dairy farmer of year.

Sacrolyte · 30-07-2015 10:42pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking

Look at him there with his hairy hands.

Timmaay · 30-07-2015 10:49pm

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Look at him there with his hairy hands.

"There are some very hairy babies on Craggy Island, and I think you are the hairy baby-maker! "

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 10:52pm

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Look at him there with his hairy hands.

And a reseeding hairline

tanko · 30-07-2015 11:16pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

And a reseeding hairline

I would have thought that all the cow sh1te raining down on farmers in the pit would do wonders for their hair:pac:

mf240 · 30-07-2015 11:22pm

tanko wrote: »

I would have thought that all the cow sh1te raining down on farmers in the pit would do wonders for their hair:pac:

Training heifers and midnight calvings make it fall out!!!!:D:D

keep going · 31-07-2015 1:44am

Running at 3.3 this year and have cut nothing off it, tight end of june -had to put in 40 kilos of hulls for ten days and going again tomorrow w ith hulls for 10 or 12 days.will be going down to 2 .8 or 2.9 next year with extra land coming on stream but ill try and do more reseeding instead7 baling.also just got soils samples back and I have a bit of building up to do but theres no doubt when you ramp up the stocking rate you have to be careful about getting everthing done when uts supposed to be done

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 8:56am

Ran out of teat spray this morning.
Feels vert wrong not spraying the cows after milking

whelan2 · 31-07-2015 9:07am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ran out of teat spray this morning.
Feels vert wrong not spraying the cows after milking

I ran out yesterday evening, refilled drum and it wouldnt work this morning, got it going by the end of milking, virolac does not taste nice:mad:

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 9:13am

whelan2 wrote: »

I ran out yesterday evening, refilled drum and it wouldnt work this morning, got it going by the end of milking, virolac does not taste nice:mad:

Are you buying it pre mixed or concentrate?

whelan2 · 31-07-2015 9:16am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are you buying it pre mixed or concentrate?

concentrate

Timmaay · 31-07-2015 9:36am

Not anyones day for teat dip, old spray bottle started leaking like mad, I got a brand new spray bottle for the evening milking, and it packed in after 1/2 a row lol.

Wildsurfer · 31-07-2015 9:44am

whelan2 wrote: »

I ran out yesterday evening, refilled drum and it wouldnt work this morning, got it going by the end of milking, virolac does not taste nice:mad:

A handy tip to get teat spray flowing again after running dry is to open the droppers at the gun and stick the end of the tube into one of the tubes on the claw piece and the milking machine vacuum will suck the spray untill it starts flowing freely.

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 9:49am

Timmaay wrote: »

Not anyones day for teat dip, old spray bottle started leaking like mad, I got a brand new spray bottle for the evening milking, and it packed in after 1/2 a row lol.

What's your scc atm with the bottle?
We found it took ages to cover teats right with it

td5man · 31-07-2015 10:05am

Wildsurfer wrote: »

A handy tip to get teat spray flowing again after running dry is to open the droppers at the gun and stick the end of the tube into one of the tubes on the claw piece and the milking machine vacuum will suck the spray untill it starts flowing freely.

Good idea I use a 50cc syringe to fill the suction pipe and take off one of the guns starts flowing in a few minutes.

td5man · 31-07-2015 9:34pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking

Got a box of them today you could pull barbed wire with them.

whelan2 · 31-07-2015 9:40pm

why do ye rip the gloves? only problem here is if my hands are wet putting them on

Bullocks · 31-07-2015 9:54pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

One common thread on both farms was taking a 5yr view on profit and production. They didn't do panic and that was clear. In the 2012 NoT wouldn't have been stocked so highly.

He is however growing a lot if grass consistently on a dry farm. Make no mistake that its a farm with lots of feed going into cows al be it mostly grass

Does he do a deal with someone for the silage he buys with regards quality and is it much costlier to buy it as opposed to cutting himself? Probably just as handy to buy in if the quality is good enough.
I suppose there is nothing stopping him buying a bank of silage in the good year to tide him over on a bad year just the same as other lads will make surplus bales from their own farm

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 10:12pm

td5man wrote: »

Got a box of them today you could pull barbed wire with them.

I don't like then tbh. Too heavy

frazzledhome · 31-07-2015 10:45pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I don't like then tbh. Too heavy

More of a feather lite man?
The ribbed would be great for cleaning the clusters

frazzledhome · 31-07-2015 10:46pm

td5man wrote: »

Got a box of them today you could pull barbed wire with them.

Nothing worse than a burst rubber and its usually too late when you find out

whelan2 · 31-07-2015 10:48pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Nothing worse than a burst rubber and its usually too late when you find out

speaking from experience are we?

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