Left 4 Dead

wayne040576 · 09-11-2008 11:17pm

I played for about 30 mins tonight. Seems ok but sometimes it's very hard to tell what the hell is going on when there are lots of zombies onscreen, Especially in the darker areas.

Gummy Panda · 09-11-2008 11:20pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

They'll be custom servers as the game is a demo. I tried this earlier but it just told me that you must join from a lobby when i tried to join.

I was able to join middle game using the browser.

I was able to get 26 latency games rather then randomly put into a game were everyone had a red connection.

Hopefully they remove the Xbox Live ****ty multiplayer interface and we can use the steam browser as normal

PogMoThoin · 09-11-2008 11:44pm

I dont see why Valve even bothered putting in this match making thing for the PC version, feels like its made for console gaming. I'd like to pick my own low ping server please, this match maker completely lacks control and transparency.

KilOit · 10-11-2008 1:41am

Playing the demo all day it's such a laugh when you get a good group, it's really challenging on expert, get the horde and a tank at the same time and it = mayhem

Can see this game doing well when they iron out the little things.

Maximilian · 10-11-2008 1:36pm

Anyone tried playing on the harder difficulties yet?

also, check this out:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=745482

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 2:06pm

Maximilian wrote: »

Anyone tried playing on the harder difficulties yet?

yeah, the video I linked to of myself was on the expert difficulty. I've tried it with Pog on expert difficulty and you definitely need all 4 people as humans. You all need to stick together also. If you separate you can get picked off easily and surrounded.

KilOit · 10-11-2008 2:28pm

They need to add a harder mode than expert, i was able to do it with pug obviously not all the time some times we got raped badly, but a clan of good fps experienced players will breeze through with good tactics after practice on the map.

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 2:40pm

KilOit wrote: »

They need to add a harder mode than expert, i was able to do it with pug obviously not all the time some times we got raped badly, but a clan of good fps experienced players will breeze through with good tactics after practice on the map.

The same could be said of any game really. Plus this is only the first 2 levels, who knows how difficult it will get as the game progresses. Even the second level, the subway, is nigh on impossible if you are on your own working with the PC on expert mode. Even with 2 people it's still very difficult.

Gummy Panda · 10-11-2008 2:49pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

The same could be said of any game really. Plus this is only the first 2 levels, who knows how difficult it will get as the game progresses. Even the second level, the subway, is nigh on impossible if you are on your own working with the PC on expert mode. Even with 2 people it's still very difficult.

Or if you are in a bad pub game.

Was playing earlier and normal seemed like a struggle with this group. There was a witch in the subway on left. We cleared all the zombies and boomers. I said over chat to keep flashlights off and just walk pass the witch.

One of the lads who is right beside the witch turns around looks at her, then turns on his flashlight. So the rest of us start blasting her to pull it off him and the genius throws a Molotov on us.

/facepalm

KilOit · 10-11-2008 3:02pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

The same could be said of any game really. Plus this is only the first 2 levels, who knows how difficult it will get as the game progresses. Even the second level, the subway, is nigh on impossible if you are on your own working with the PC on expert mode. Even with 2 people it's still very difficult.

That might be ok for pure single player games but for a game geared more to online play your gonna have the best of the best wanting some real competive play.
If you want achievements to count for something so online clans will move onto a game like this, as Valve have said they want to surpass counter strikes success with this game, if pug's can beat levels on expert after 2 days of release they ain't gonna bother.

Im only assuming there maps rather than actaully levels im not sure if they scale or not on online play

Gummy Panda · 10-11-2008 3:34pm

there is still a verus mode to play.

That should be good. My friends on XBL use to play a custom mode on halo2. We called it zombie. pistols and shotgun only. Start the game with one infected. Infected uses sword. Everyone he kills becomes infected.

Was great fun blocked our safe zone by melee hitting crates into place. proxy chat halo 2 did was good for it aswell cause you knew the zombies were close when you heard some chatting or saying BRAINSSSSSSSSS!!

OctavarIan · 10-11-2008 3:52pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

The same could be said of any game really. Plus this is only the first 2 levels, who knows how difficult it will get as the game progresses. Even the second level, the subway, is nigh on impossible if you are on your own working with the PC on expert mode. Even with 2 people it's still very difficult.

Expert with the bots isn't near impossible. Difficult yes, but nothing too wild.

That said, if a tank appears at a bad time or a witch is startled it usually means grusome death

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 4:25pm

OctavarIan wrote: »

Expert with the bots isn't near impossible. Difficult yes, but nothing too wild.

That said, if a tank appears at a bad time or a witch is startled it usually means grusome death

My problem with the bots was that kept getting knocked over and I had to keep picking them up again. They'd also sacrifice their health to heal me even if I already had my own health pack. They'd also try and revive me even if I was surrounded by Zombies without bothering to take out the Zombies first.

It just got irritating how stupid they where, and on expert I quickly got swamped because the bots would get knocked over also immediately when a zombie wave would attack.

I will say that it would be good to enable an insane mode where you are constantly fighting off zombies like wading through treacle.

I'd say there'll be a survival mode also with achievements where you have to survive as long as possible without getting swamped.

KilOit · 10-11-2008 4:40pm

I'll take back what i said about it being easy on expert, i just read about it and it seems theres 5 levels on each campaign and the demo is 1.5 levels end of subway lvl is not the full level, It seems you face 2 tanks at the same time at the end of the campaign which would be crazy on expert :P

Fanny Cradock · 10-11-2008 4:42pm

Is anybody playing this game on the PC that has NTL as a ISP?

I've not been able to play any games on-line (can't even see servers) and I am beginning to think that NTL are blocking certain ports. This happened before with ET:Quake Wars - the demo worked fine but the game wouldn't play on-line. If this is the case again then I have absolutely no idea how to solve this.

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 4:46pm

KilOit wrote: »

which would be crazy on expert :P

especially as there is no sprint option. All FPS's should have the option to put your gun down and run. Especially in a Zombie game where you are going to be running all the time.

Also the spawning of those tanks can be really unfair, we where making our way through the train which is single file and a tank just jumps into the train. As we where single file we could not fire at it without hitting each other and we couldn't turn around fast enough to outrun it, so it just plowed through the train killing all of us

I guess it adds to the tention knowing that the spawning of the different types of zombies and the witches is completely random

KilOit · 10-11-2008 4:46pm

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Is anybody playing this game on the PC that has NTL as a ISP?

I've not been able to play any games on-line (can't even see servers) and I am beginning to think that NTL are blocking certain ports. This happened before with ET:Quake Wars - the demo worked fine but the game wouldn't play on-line. If this is the case again then I have absolutely no idea how to solve this.

I have Ntl in Tallaght and it's fine

Edit: Did you buy it or dl it? if you didn't pre order the game and just dl'ed it you won't be able to play online,
But i think a non pre order version is being released today or tommorrow

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 4:48pm

KilOit wrote: »

I have Ntl in Tallaght and it's fine

I have NTL in Swords and it's fine

PogMoThoin · 10-11-2008 4:50pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

especially as there is no sprint option. All FPS's should have the option to put your gun down and run. Especially in a Zombie game where you are going to be running all the time.

Yes, a sprint button is definitely needed

Fanny Cradock · 10-11-2008 4:58pm

KilOit wrote: »

I have Ntl in Tallaght and it's fine

Edit: Did you buy it or dl it? if you didn't pre order the game and just dl'ed it you won't be able to play online,
But i think a non pre order version is being released today or tommorrow

Bought it on pre-order from Steam. Funnily enough, I was trying to play Zombie Panic (a mod for HL2) a while back and I encountered the same problems, i.e. no server listed. I assume that the problems are connected. Interesting that neither of you NTL users are having problems. Could NTL be blocking different ports in different parts of the city?

::Edit::

I've heard the the below ports need to be open to play the game (I don't have a router, btw and I tried playing with the firewall off). They appear as blocked when I try. Can someone in the Dublin area playing the game without problems and using NTL click the links? Shouldn't take more than 20 seconds.

Cheers

http://www.utorrent.com/testport.php?port=27005
http://www.utorrent.com/testport.php?port=27015

Stev_o · 10-11-2008 7:53pm

Forget witches i think Tanks scare the sh1t out of me more, the tension created when you hear the deep breath (which sounds like a rhino or something) and then the ground shaking is goddamn creepy i honestly hate being the one having to agro him so we can bring him into "our" zone its just awful.

Me and my friend ran away from one all the way back to the starting safe house and locked the door thinking we would be fine. The "oh my god he's coming" kept repeating itself on ts for a while, i went to the door to look out the slits only for the tank to rip the door out and punch me into the wall and beat me to death.

L31mr0d · 10-11-2008 10:12pm

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

http://www.utorrent.com/testport.php?port=27005
http://www.utorrent.com/testport.php?port=27015

I tried both of those links at home and they are both reading as blocked

Stev_o wrote: »

Forget witches i think Tanks scare the sh1t out of me more, the tension created when you hear the deep breath (which sounds like a rhino or something) and then the ground shaking is goddamn creepy i honestly hate being the one having to agro him so we can bring him into "our" zone its just awful.

Yeah he reminds me of the Berserkers in GoW. The fact that they randomly spawn makes them even worse. I remember facing one of them in that underground room, halfway through the subway level, I flanked behind a pillar thinking I was safe and it just runs at me destroying all the pillars between myself and it. Without the ability to dodge or sprint you pretty much just have to resign yourself to being killed if gets sight of you.

Jimi-Spandex · 11-11-2008 12:35am

I've sunk about six hours into the demo so far. Can't wait for the full game to come out. I'm going to have to add some people here so I've regulars to do the campaign with instead of just playing with randoms, had some great games with pub randoms though.

There was one weird server I was on earlier, it was some insane ultra hard server. As in 4 tanks, 6 or so witches and the odd horde, this was in the first level just as we got out of the apartment block into the alley. Slightly balanced out by the fact there were six AI controlled "Bills" one of whom spawned a load of auto shotguns and medkits at the start. Has anyone else experienced this?

bizmark · 11-11-2008 12:39am

Jimi-Spandex wrote: »

I've sunk about six hours into the demo so far. Can't wait for the full game to come out. I'm going to have to add some people here so I've regulars to do the campaign with instead of just playing with randoms, had some great games with pub randoms though.

There was one weird server I was on earlier, it was some insane ultra hard server. As in 4 tanks, 6 or so witches and the odd horde, this was in the first level just as we got out of the apartment block into the alley. Slightly balanced out by the fact there were six AI controlled "Bills" one of whom spawned a load of auto shotguns and medkits at the start. Has anyone else experienced this?

Was on a server that had infinit ammo and no reload but constantly respawning zombies quite good fun only one of us got to the end :pac:

PogMoThoin · 11-11-2008 1:19am

These servers sound amazing. Can't wait

I hope they dump that match maker and go back to the ordinary server browser

bizmark · 11-11-2008 6:29am

Anyone up for a friends list invite? playing with randomers is a total ball's most of the time so perhaps boards.ie user's are more fun to play with

KilOit · 11-11-2008 10:26am

id be up for some expert games with users here

L31mr0d · 11-11-2008 10:57am

KilOit wrote: »

id be up for some expert games with users here

Yeah I think we are going to have a go of it again tonight. I learnt a lot of lessons the hard way so I think I'm just about ready to try and get through the demo on expert mode

Like leave your light off for as much as possible. If you can cope without it then do. I've found that if you shoot at a zombie with your light on it will run at you and if you strafe it will track you and change direction. With your light off, you can shoot at a zombie then strafe and they won't track you. You also need to not fire when you are strafing as they will be attracted to that.

It was funny in demo last watching a hoard of zombies run into the room and right past me and straight for the guy with his light on

KilOit · 11-11-2008 11:33am

L31mr0d wrote: »

Yeah I think we are going to have a go of it again tonight. I learnt a lot of lessons the hard way so I think I'm just about ready to try and get through the demo on expert mode

Like leave your light off for as much as possible. If you can cope without it then do. I've found that if you shoot at a zombie with your light on it will run at you and if you strafe it will track you and change direction. With your light off, you can shoot at a zombie then strafe and they won't track you. You also need to not fire when you are strafing as they will be attracted to that.

It was funny in demo last watching a hoard of zombies run into the room and right past me and straight for the guy with his light on

Interesting, i kinda assumed the noise from the gun will attract the horde to you, must test with the light out tonight.

L31mr0d · 11-11-2008 12:04pm

KilOit wrote: »

Interesting, i kinda assumed the noise from the gun will attract the horde to you, must test with the light out tonight.

the sound of the gun will attract the horde. What you need to do is shoot at a bunch of zombies until you need to reload, then strafe away from them, they usually won't follow you and instead go after someone else on your team if they have their light on.

The thing is if you are shooting whilst strafing they will track you. You need to move with your light off and not be shooting.

I found a lot of times I'd be completely unscathed whereas everyone else on my team with their lights on would of been knocked over onto the ground.

Plus its better to have the light off anyway, in case you accidentally disturb a witch.

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 6:15pm

So is the demo out today or what? argh

Ciaran500 · 11-11-2008 6:20pm

IIRC most stuff is released in the evening of what ever time zone Valve are in

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 6:22pm

aaaaaaargh

thelordofcheese · 11-11-2008 6:32pm

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

So is the demo out today or what? argh

It's over two hours late at this point.

Fnz · 11-11-2008 6:47pm

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Bah! They just stole that highly technical, chrono-chart from Blizzard... and look at where that sort of carry on got them!

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 6:56pm

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK:mad:

Fnz · 11-11-2008 7:18pm

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

So is the demo out today or what? argh

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

aaaaaaargh

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK:mad:

You're just like Cartman when he was waiting for the Wii to be released.

You gotsta freeze yourself - just for a week - then simply thaw, and the full game will be available for your consumption. Nothing could possublau go wrong!

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 7:26pm

Its out now, downloading with steam at 8kb/s

and its 3gbs +

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrhghghghhg

**edit**

and yet my mates getting 250kb/s what am I doing wrong?

**edit2** nvm I;m okay

thelordofcheese · 11-11-2008 7:31pm

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Its out now, downloading with steam at 8kb/s and its 3gbs +

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrhghghghhg

**edit**

and yet my mates getting 250kb/s what am I doing wrong?

300+Kbps and so far it's telling me it'll be 6.5 days.......

Edit: that's how long the demo is valid for, not how long it'll take to download.
Silly me.

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 7:46pm

Can't remember the last time I was so hyped about a a feckin demo lol

L31mr0d · 11-11-2008 8:43pm

guys when you get it, add me to your steam (in my sig). Also, if you have mics, you need to use them.

Fnz · 11-11-2008 9:24pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

guys when you get it, add me to your steam (in my sig). Also, if you have mics, you need to use them.

N00b question...

Do people generally use the Teamspeak/Ventrillo programs for voice communication... or is it all handled in-game?

PogMoThoin · 11-11-2008 9:37pm

Fnz wrote: »

N00b question...

Do people generally use the Teamspeak/Ventrillo programs for voice communication... or is it all handled in-game?

Steam handles it

Stephen · 11-11-2008 10:04pm

As I mentioned in the thread about this over on the Half-Life board, Steam is damn slow downloading this today

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 10:36pm

yeah like I'm chatting to 3 mates on steam atm , we're all dying to play together. We were getting full speed for the 1st half hour but now its just been stuck at around 40kb/s for aaaaaaages now

I'm not even half way downloaded and I've been downloading since half 6.

Anything I can do?

Stev_o · 11-11-2008 10:37pm

I picked the worse day to reformat .

thelordofcheese · 11-11-2008 11:26pm

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

yeah like I'm chatting to 3 mates on steam atm , we're all dying to play together. We were getting full speed for the 1st half hour but now its just been stuck at around 40kb/s for aaaaaaages now

I'm not even half way downloaded and I've been downloading since half 6.

Anything I can do?

Wait until you get to downloading the updates.
350+ kbps to 33kbps?
RAGE!.png

Cunny-Funt · 11-11-2008 11:28pm

Yet other people seem to even already have it downloaded? WTF like?

Would opening ports help?

TheHairyFairy · 11-11-2008 11:31pm

Getting 500k+ on BT here in the north.

thelordofcheese · 11-11-2008 11:37pm

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Yet other people seem to even already have it downloaded? WTF like?

Would opening ports help?

Actually, i've just been informed that we're FTP'ing something to 'merica, which explains my hideous download speeds.
Guess it's just down to your connection and the gods of fate.

Left 4 Dead

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