The Avengers (2012) spoilers from post 1181

helimachoptor · 29-04-2012 3:27pm

Heading to see it tonight in 2D, going to stuff my face

Icarian · 29-04-2012 3:35pm

I have a question, post credits spoilers

Was that face at the very end Apocalypse from X Men?
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/thumb/d/d2/Apocalypse_head.jpg/406px-Apocalypse_head.jpg

Handsome Bob · 29-04-2012 3:37pm

Icarian wrote: »

I have a question, post credits spoilers
Was that face at the very end Apocalypse from X Men?
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/thumb/d/d2/Apocalypse_head.jpg/406px-Apocalypse_head.jpg

It was Thanos.

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 3:54pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

It was Thanos.

I presume all the main Avengers will get at least one film of their own before the next team up movie, Would be nice if they sprinkle those films with hints of

Thanos' impending invasion

. would also be great if the other Avengers pop up in bit parts in the individual movies like they tend to do in the comic.

Its such a shame Marvel don't have the film rights to all their heroes, how cool would a little cut away of Spider-Man or even a member of the FF

taking out a Chitauri

during the final battle sequence in NY

Nervous Wreck · 29-04-2012 4:00pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

I presume all the main Avengers will get at least one film of their own before the next team up movie, Would be nice if they sprinkle those films with hints of
Thanos' impending invasion
. would also be great if the other Avengers pop up in bit parts in the individual movies like they tend to do in the comic.

I would defo like that too. I really hope they reserve

Thanos

for Avengers 2. Tbh, I'm already much more excited for Thor 2 than Iron Man 3.

Mickeroo wrote: »

Its such a shame Marvel don't have the film rights to all their heroes, how cool would a little cut away of Spider-Man or even a member of the FF
taking out a Chitauri
during the final battle sequence in NY

I'm gonna disagree with ya there. I think they've found a great balance with this line-up of The Avengers. Spider-Man would, imo, dilute that in a negative way. Fantastic Four are, and have always been, crap heroes, imo (with the exception of the Human Torch, but only cos he looks cool :pac: ).

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 4:21pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I would defo like that too. I really hope they reserve
Thanos
for Avengers 2. Tbh, I'm already much more excited for Thor 2 than Iron Man 3.

Yea i'm hopeful

Thanos

will be the next avengers villain rather than Iron Man 3 or something. I'm more stoked for Thor 2 as well!

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I'm gonna disagree with ya there. I think they've found a great balance with this line-up of The Avengers. Spider-Man would, imo, dilute that in a negative way. Fantastic Four are, and have always been, crap heroes, imo (with the exception of the Human Torch, but only cos he looks cool :pac: ).

I've never liked FF either and i wouldn't want Spidey becoming a main character in the Avengers movies or even having any kind of pivotal role in these movies, but NY is his stomping ground and it would just be nice to acknowledge his existence within the film universe too.

unreggd · 29-04-2012 4:40pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yea i'm hopeful
Thanos
will be the next avengers villain rather than Iron Man 3 or something. I'm more stoked for Thor 2 as well!

I've never liked FF either and i wouldn't want Spidey becoming a main character in the Avengers movies or even having any kind of pivotal role in these movies, but NY is his stomping ground and it would just be nice to acknowledge his existence within the film universe too.

I hear Peter had a photo shoot at Mode that day :P

Nervous Wreck · 29-04-2012 4:43pm

Ahhh right, yes I see what you mean! It'd defo be a nice little aside, yeah!

I'm wondering if Ruffalo will get his own Hulk movie... I'm at odds with the idea tbh. Can't decide whether it'd be a good or bad move...

krudler · 29-04-2012 4:50pm

Think the Hulk works better in the Avengers style environment. I like TIH though it was fun, long as he has something to fight. Ruffalo was excellent though, him and Hiddleston gave the standout performances

Handsome Bob · 29-04-2012 4:52pm

I think they've finally found what works for Hulk and it is this kind of film. Throw him a cameo in Thor 2/IM3/CA2 and that will suffice.

Ruffalo was one of the highlights of this film, but I'm not sure if his Banner character could carry a 2 hour film.

ricero · 29-04-2012 4:56pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I think they've finally found what works for Hulk and it is this kind of film. Throw him a cameo in Thor 2/IM3/CA2 and that will suffice.

Ruffalo was one of the highlights of this film, but I'm not sure if his Banner character could carry a 2 hour film.

whats made the last 2 hulk films suck imo is the lack of a decent villain. get the hulk a good villain and you might just get a decent hulk movie.

also great movie but for people saying its the best comic book movie not a chance its still the dark knight for me until the dark knight rises

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 4:57pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Ahhh right, yes I see what you mean! It'd defo be a nice little aside, yeah!

I'm wondering if Ruffalo will get his own Hulk movie... I'm at odds with the idea tbh. Can't decide whether it'd be a good or bad move...

It's hard to know what they would do with the Hulk after this in a stand alone movie, they could continue on with the ending of the last one and have The Leader emerge, now that Banner is in the public eye after the events of the Avengers. They got Hulk so right in this I think its very likely he might get his own movie due to the public response.

Another thoroughly awesome but highly unlikely possibility could be have the Hulk lose control during the climax in the next Avengers movie and cause a huge amount of destruction turning on the others in the process resulting in him being blasted into space in order to set up Planet Hulk which could then lead into Avengers 3: World War Hulk. Not a chance in hell it would happen though.

everdead.ie · 29-04-2012 4:57pm

Which Heroes don't they have the rights too?

Also Spider-man possibly doesn't exist in this Marvel Universe yet given the upcoming movie?

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 4:59pm

everdead.ie wrote: »

Which Heroes don't they have the rights too?

Also Spider-man possibly doesn't exist in this Marvel Universe yet given the upcoming movie?

Spider-Man, X-men, Fantastic Four not sure who else. None of their movies were directly made by Marvel, including the new Spidey one.

brianregan09 · 29-04-2012 4:59pm

at the moment no rights to Spiderman, Ghostrider, Fantastic Four or Xmen ,Daredevil too

johnny_ultimate · 29-04-2012 5:01pm

Ruffalo is basically a supporting actor* - he's always memorable when he's not the only centre of attention. He buoys an ensemble rather than defining it. Kind of why he worked here: it's the same slightly bumbling performance as he always gives, but it was a nice counterpoint to the smashy smashy side of Hulk and his larger than life fellow Avengers.

*Of course, You Can Count on Me is the exception to this rule, but he just gave the same performance there but he had a script that allowed him to play up all his traits to great effect.

pixelburp · 29-04-2012 5:02pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

It's hard to know what they would do with the Hulk after this in a stand alone movie, they could continue on with the ending of the last one and have The Leader emerge, now that Banner is in the public eye after the events of the Avengers. They got Hulk so right in this I think its very likely he might get his own movie due to the public response.

I've seen this written elsewhere; but am not sure where people are coming from: I didn't see anything particularly unique in this version of The Hulk, compared with previous iterations? Ruffulo did a good job portraying Banner, but The Other Guy seemed about the same as the 2 films, no? He jumped about, generally trashed most locations he was in & roared a bit.

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 5:10pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I've seen this written elsewhere; but am not sure where people are coming from: I didn't see anything particularly unique in this version of The Hulk, compared with previous iterations? Ruffulo did a good job portraying Banner, but The Other Guy seemed about the same as the 2 films, no? He jumped about, generally trashed most locations he was in & roared a bit.

Its possibly because this film didn't just consist of him running away from the Army the whole time. Also some of the moments Hulk got in this were down right iconic in my eyes, plus its the first time I felt I was actually watching the Hulk on screen as I had imagined him from the comics and such.

I think Ruffalo's Banner was slightly more charismatic and likeable than either Norton's or Bana's too, which probably helped. All IMHO of course

constitutionus · 29-04-2012 5:38pm

exactly.

where in his own films could he

smack an armoured alien eel/troop transport in the face ?

hulk films have been more reality based which is grand for characterisation but sucks on the action front.

he works here as he's facing threats that actually challenge him without getting all gamma related (blonski) and thats the difference. plus i never realised just HOW much i want to see him work with tony/reed or any other big brain in the marvel universe. ya get the feeling ribbing aside stark does actually respect banners intellect which again is not something readilly apparent in the hulk films.

went to see it again yesterday and i have to say i had just as good a blast.

it actually worked BETTER as i knew what to expect this time around (something similar happened with cap when it came out) and the 2 hours plus FLEW by again.

i think this ones gonna be a monster.

the screen i was in only had two seats left (which i got with my brother. by god did it hurt not ruining the film for him) and box office mojo have already got the film taking in 178 million from the foreign releases.

Nervous Wreck · 29-04-2012 5:47pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Its possibly because this film didn't just consist of him running away from the Army the whole time. Also some of the moments Hulk got in this were down right iconic in my eyes, plus its the first time I felt I was actually watching the Hulk on screen as I had imagined him from the comics and such.

This! This iteration of The Hulk had direction. He wasn't just running from the army, having accidentally turned into a big, green jerk and smashing things. When Banner learned to accept the Hulk as part of himself, he gained control over him. This allowed him to act with purpose as part of the team. It also afforded him a personality that went beyond "Bet-ty...." which made him a more rounded, likeable character.

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think Ruffalo's Banner was slightly more charismatic and likeable than either Norton's or Bana's too, which probably helped. All IMHO of course

I agree. I think it's the first time Banner has been what he should be: the exact opposite to the Hulk. Ruffalo's Banner comes across as shy and retreating. He seems to only gain confidence right at the end when he finally accepts Hulk as part of him (

"That's my secret: I'm always angry."

) and it gives a really great, rounded character. I don't think Norton or Bana would have been able to pull this off tbh.

constitutionus · 29-04-2012 5:56pm

i think thats another reason he worked so well with downey jnr.

personality wise banner is basically the anti stark !

but em together and ya get win.

maybe a cameo or supporting role in IM3 aint such a bad idea.

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 6:12pm

THe fact that Ruffalo isn't such a massive name would make it easy to have him pop up in the likes of IM3 too.

Zero-Cool · 29-04-2012 7:19pm

I read Disney lawyers are doing everything they can to find a loop hole in the Fox and Sony contracts to acquire the spiderman, F4, xmen, etc rights but fox and sony are having none of it. It is in their contract to release a film with those superheroes within a certain timeframe or they will lose the license. So in theory, FOX could release any ol cheap **** with nobody actors, slap on f4 and get to keep the rights.

EDIT: I just did a quick check and what do ya know, FOX is releasing a Fantastic Four reboot. Unbelievable!

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/chronicle-director-in-line-for-fantastic-four-r/267049

dr gonzo · 29-04-2012 7:37pm

sheehy83 wrote: »

EDIT: I just did a quick check and what do ya know, FOX is releasing a Fantastic Four reboot. Unbelievable!

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/chronicle-director-in-line-for-fantastic-four-r/267049

Jaysus this is getting messy. Although, hypothetically without a reboot the addition of the F4 to the avengers universe would be awkward because Chris Evans plays the Human Torch and Captain America. This way, if its done properly, that little snag could be worked out.

In any case the fantastic 4 are rubbish, I sincerely hope they dont get retrieved by Marvel. Spiderman and X-Men on the other hand...

EDIT: While I'm here, does anybody know where I could watch the after-credits scene from Avengers? Nothing illegal or anything, I just missed it in the cinema and would love to see it.

Tefral · 29-04-2012 7:41pm

dr gonzo wrote: »

Jaysus this is getting messy. Although, hypothetically without a reboot the addition of the F4 to the avengers universe would be awkward because Chris Evans plays the Human Torch and Captain America. This way, if its done properly, that little snag could be worked out.

In any case the fantastic 4 are rubbish, I sincerely hope they dont get retrieved by Marvel. Spiderman and X-Men on the other hand...

EDIT: While I'm here, does anybody know where I could watch the after-credits scene from Avengers? Nothing illegal or anything, I just missed it in the cinema and would love to see it.

I would love to see wolverine in the avengers movies...

Handsome Bob · 29-04-2012 7:44pm

No after credits scene, just mid credits.

don ramo · 29-04-2012 7:58pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I've seen this written elsewhere; but am not sure where people are coming from: I didn't see anything particularly unique in this version of The Hulk, compared with previous iterations? Ruffalo did a good job portraying Banner, but The Other Guy seemed about the same as the 2 films, no? He jumped about, generally trashed most locations he was in & roared a bit.

but i think the avenger has now shown how to use Hulk, ruffalo is extremely likable as banner, and his Hulk was great, i think the comedic timing for him was bang on,

like when himself and Thor took down the thing and Hulk just punches Thor

, it just seemed to strike a perfect balance of wildness and comedy,

Bana was just wrong in the first place, Norton was probably to big (headed maybe) for Hulk and the Avengers, but ruffalo seems spot on, just like Downey for stark,

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 7:59pm

don ramo wrote: »

Bana was just wrong in the first place, Norton was probably to big (headed maybe) for Hulk and the Avengers, but ruffalo seems spot on, just like Downey for stark,

Might want to spoiler

when himself and Thor took down the thing and Hulk just punches Thor

dr gonzo · 29-04-2012 8:14pm

cronin_j wrote: »

I would love to see wolverine in the avengers movies...

Hell yeh, or dare I say Gambit...? Is there any reason they never used him?

Mickeroo wrote: »

Might want to spoiler
when himself and Thor took down the thing and Hulk just punches Thor

The audience erupted. Was a great moment.

Handsome Bob wrote: »

No after credits scene, just mid credits.

Ah ok. Is there anywhere to see that online that you know of?

YouTookMyName · 29-04-2012 8:24pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

No after credits scene, just mid credits.

Waited while the credits were rolling and was told to get out because there wasn't a second scene.

Saw in 3D will definitely go back and see in 2D when i can. Ruffalo is great as banner, much much better then norton or bana.

Suprised no one has mentioned, not that i read anyway:

mewling quim

which means he's basically calling her a

whining cúnt

.

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 8:28pm

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Waited while the credits were rolling and was told to get out because there wasn't a second scene.

Saw in 3D will definitely go back and see in 2D when i can. Ruffalo is great as banner, much much better then norton or bana.

Suprised no one has mentioned, not that i read anyway:
mewling quim
which means he's basically calling her a
whining cúnt
.

Yea I got a giggle out of that!

Surprised they told you to get out, you have a right to sit there until the end of the credits whether there is a scene or not.

YouTookMyName · 29-04-2012 8:30pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yea I got a giggle out of that!

Surprised they told you to get out, you have a right to sit there until the end of the credits whether there is a scene or not.

There was quite a few of us waiting.

I was also surprised at how funny it was, there are lots of hilarious one liners and comebacks, from Stark especially,

"Does doth mother know you are wearing her drapes?", calling Thor "Point Break" and Hawkeye "Legolas".

I think I missed half of the scene after Thor's

"He's adopted"

line because of the crowd laughing.

Zero-Cool · 29-04-2012 8:37pm

dr gonzo wrote: »

cronin_j wrote: »

I would love to see wolverine in the avengers movies...

Hell yeh, or dare I say Gambit...? Is there any reason they never used him?

Apparently, gambits personality was a mix of cyclops and wolverine so he wasnt needed. My favourite xman was left out so they could build more tension between cyclops and logan. **** that xmen series!!

London Acid · 29-04-2012 8:44pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Might want to spoiler
when himself and Thor took down the thing and Hulk just punches Thor

Actually, Norton wanted to reprise his role and it was marvel studios that didn't want him back. They left the reasoning kind of vague, all they said was "Edward Norton wasn't right for the part", which makes little to no sense to me considering they cast him the first or rather second time around.

brianregan09 · 29-04-2012 9:18pm

Nah apparently Norton wanted to rewrite large portions of the Hulk movie and wanted producing credits which in english translates to more money the same kind of thing that stopped Terence Howard from coming back as Rhodey in Iron Man 2

Also on Wolverine being in the Avengers thats guys had loads of movie appearances there so many Avengers that haven't been on the big screen that we haven't seen yet that Marvel do have the rights to that i'd rather see before Wolverine or even Spiderman in Avengers

Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Sentry, Antman and Wasp(founding members of the Avengers) Captain Marvell, Luke Cage, Iron Fist i could go on for hours

Handsome Bob · 29-04-2012 9:22pm

The idea of Ant Man doesn't really appeal to me, certainly not in a solo film anyway. Giant Man could have a better chance of working but again, I don't think the Pyms are really worthy of a solo film.

Baggly · 29-04-2012 9:24pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

The idea of Ant Man doesn't really appeal to me, certainly not in a solo film anyway. Giant Man could have a better chance of working but again, I don't think the Pyms are really worthy of a solo film.

Its interesting to look at it from the pov that we have no had an origin story where the superhero might change his powers before the end of the movie. I dunno - i think like BW and Hawkeye, the Pyms would be better off appearing as backup in IM or Thor or someone elses movie.

I hope they do turn up though.

Mickeroo · 29-04-2012 9:29pm

I'd still like to see Edgar Wright get to make his Ant Man movie.

There is talk of a few lower budget movies getting made for lesser known Marvel heroes in order to expand the universe a bit. I know head way was made regarding a Dr. Strange movie, but I haven't heard anything about it in quite a while.

don ramo · 29-04-2012 9:31pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Might want to spoiler
when himself and Thor took down the thing and Hulk just punches Thor

apologies, i was just kinda assuming everyone coming here has seen the film at this stage, i unsubscribed from the thread 3 weeks ago:D

don ramo · 29-04-2012 9:37pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

Nah apparently Norton wanted to rewrite large portions of the Hulk movie and wanted producing credits which in english translates to more money the same kind of thing that stopped Terence Howard from coming back as Rhodey in Iron Man 2

yeah that seems to be the most common story, TBF Norton was a great catch for the studio, but he really really likes to get involved with his projects creatively, which realistically is a bad thing for any kind of franchise,

Howard was just a Muppet, downey got paid a $1million for iron man 1, due mainly to his past transgressions off camera, and deserved the massive bump he got for part 2, realistically your not gonna give the sidekick the same as the lead, his loss

brianregan09 · 29-04-2012 10:22pm

To be honest i thought Selvig in Thor was a missed oppurtunity to stick Pym in there instead if ya ask me, would have been a cool way to have introduced him in the Avengers movie too

Oafley Jones · 29-04-2012 10:24pm

London Acid wrote: »

Actually, Norton wanted to reprise his role and it was marvel studios that didn't want him back. They left the reasoning kind of vague, all they said was "Edward Norton wasn't right for the part", which makes little to no sense to me considering they cast him the first or rather second time around.

Norton has a history of being an absolute nightmare to work with. I do like a lot of his work though, but his Hulk felt like a downgrade on the previous movie in every single department.

Similarly, Terrance Howard pissed off everyone on IM. Nor did some of his unusual comments on women endear him to the studio, so they offered him half his salary in the expectation that he'd quit.

Basq · 29-04-2012 11:57pm

Absolutely fecking superb!

Not much I can add that hasn't been said already... definitely one of the best comic book movies of all time in my opinion (Batman Begins and TDK are up there obviously but not comic book movies in 'The Avengers' sense).

Definite flairs of Whedon humour in that writing - and I personally thought Ruffalo stole the show. So much win in the Hulk scenes.

I can't understand anyone being underwhelmed by it... a comic book movie full of balls-to-the-wall action scenes, humour and a cracking cast. And it's 150 minute run-time absolutely flew by.

Along with Cabin In The Woods, Whedon has gone and co-written / directed two of the finest films of the year so far.

Tempted to go again before the week is out.. loved it!

EDIT: Went on IMDB to see how it did in the US.. and it's not even out til Friday (May 4th) over there! :eek: Anyways, made $178M internationally outside of the US alone on it's opening weekend.

spankmaster2000 · 30-04-2012 9:58am

6/10 from me.

I was kind of borderline on J Whedon directing this, since I never particularly liked Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Serenity / etc.

Now I know for sure that I don't like his style.
It (to me) felt like it was written by the super gay chap that Homer befriends in that episode of the Simpsons.
Why so much dialogue that can only be described as "Sassy"?
During one or two scenes, which included Tony Stark in particular, I actually thought someone on screen was going to say "Zing!" in the background.

That said, I did indeed enjoy quite a few of the quips, not mentioning any here to avoid spoiling anything!

The

glass prison to hold loki

was nonsense.

"If you try to escape, I'll push this button, which will release you, and then you'll......erm....escape."

As were the bad guys themselves. There was no real threat developed from the robot space snake. For all intents and purposes, the "greatest threat mankind has ever faced" was dealt with in 15 minutes.

Also, how did Thor get back to earth? The end of his film established that he was "stuck" in Asgard, yet in this one, he simply "appears"? Fair enough if that's something they want to save for Thor 2, but you can't simply leave it unexplained, particularly since

they set the precedent of explaining where Jane Foster was

? Weird...

Finally; knowing that there were going to be 6 main characters fighting for screentime, some careful trimming should have been done; rather than adding. Specifically the likes of Agent Maria Hill, etc.
The Avengers themselves need a big chunk of screentime/character arc, etc, so cut her out! For that matter; vital to the story or not, Samuel L. Jackson couldn't have actually looked any less bothered to be there...

I don't know how characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow can really compete against the others, but there were times where they were reduced to clichés here. (A sexy agent with a dark past.)

It actually looks from the above that I didn't like it; don't get me wrong, there were parts where I was guffawing like a giddy fool. I even want to watch it again in the cinema, and will no doubt buy it on DVD also, but...

Iron Man 1 was better...

Mickeroo · 30-04-2012 10:06am

spankmaster2000 wrote: »

The
glass prison to hold loki
was nonsense.
"If you try to escape, I'll push this button, which will release you, and then you'll......erm....escape."

He would have been trapped inside it

like Thor was and he doesn't have Mjolnir to help him break out either.

I agree there wasn't quite enough of a threat from the

Chitauri

, I thought Loki made for a great villain this time around again though.

Penn · 30-04-2012 10:08am

spankmaster2000 wrote: »

The
glass prison to hold loki
was nonsense.
"If you try to escape, I'll push this button, which will release you, and then you'll......erm....escape."

Releasing the prison would have dropped the prison into the ocean, and because of the toughened glass and Loki having no weapons (and not being that strong), he wouldn't have been able to break the glass. It was more of a threat to make him behave than a full prison. Besides which, it was built to contain Banner/Hulk, not Loki

spankmaster2000 wrote: »

Also, how did Thor get back to earth? The end of his film established that he was "stuck" in Asgard, yet in this one, he simply "appears"? Fair enough if that's something they want to save for Thor 2, but you can't simply leave it unexplained, particularly since
they set the precedent of explaining where Jane Foster was
? Weird...

Loki explained it. "How much dark energy did the AllFather have to use to send you back here?" or something like that. Basically that Odin used some sort of old dark magic to enable Thor to get back, which wouldn't be a standard way, but an emergency. And I think they said that Thor needed the Tessarect to get back to Asgard. Thor knew about the Tessarect as soon as he came back, and about the Chitari aliens, so they must have found out about it on Asgard, so Odin knew he had to send Thor to stop Loki.

I thought everything was pretty well explained to be honest, except maybe

how Selvig managed to put in a failsafe to close the portal when mind controlled by Loki, whereas Hawkeye killed several people and couldn't do anything against Loki's mind control.

spankmaster2000 · 30-04-2012 10:41am

Penn wrote: »

Releasing the prison would have dropped the prison into the ocean, and because of the toughened glass and Loki having no weapons (and not being that strong), he wouldn't have been able to break the glass. It was more of a threat to make him behave than a full prison. Besides which, it was built to contain Banner/Hulk, not Loki

Unless it just

smashed open on a beach / land like it did when Thor fell? Also, it's like Shield didn't learn their lesson from the previous 2 Hulk films. Sedate Banner or something, because clearly prisons have never worked to contain the green man.

Penn wrote: »

Loki explained it. "How much dark energy did the AllFather have to use to send you back here?" or something like that. Basically that Odin used some sort of old dark magic to enable Thor to get back, which wouldn't be a standard way, but an emergency. And I think they said that Thor needed the Tessarect to get back to Asgard. Thor knew about the Tessarect as soon as he came back, and about the Chitari aliens, so they must have found out about it on Asgard, so Odin knew he had to send Thor to stop Loki.

You know what, I think I do remember that actually now that you mention it; sorry. But still; it really detracts from the ending of Thor so if it was so easy, no?

Penn wrote: »

I thought everything was pretty well explained to be honest, except maybe
how Selvig managed to put in a failsafe to close the portal when mind controlled by Loki, whereas Hawkeye killed several people and couldn't do anything against Loki's mind control.

That part didn’t bother me so much actually. I figured it just had to do with the fact that Selvig was simply smarter, had a greater mental capacity, or maybe even something to do with his Scandanavian heritage.

Mickeroo wrote: »

I agree there wasn't quite enough of a threat from the
Chitauri
, I thought Loki made for a great villain this time around again though.

I agree. I’d even like to see him again in future films. To be honest though, I’d have absolutely loved a Loki / Red Skull team-up in this film. Their combined plans, using the tessarect, with

Thanos / The Chitauri

as an unseen threat.

Professey Chin · 30-04-2012 10:42am

spankmaster2000 wrote: »

Unless it just
smashed open on a beach / land like it did when Thor fell? Also, it's like Shield didn't learn their lesson from the previous 2 Hulk films. Sedate Banner or something, because clearly prisons have never worked to contain the green man.

Thor broke out of it before it landed

Baggly · 30-04-2012 11:20am

Penn wrote: »

I thought everything was pretty well explained to be honest, except maybe
how Selvig managed to put in a failsafe to close the portal when mind controlled by Loki, whereas Hawkeye killed several people and couldn't do anything against Loki's mind control.

Another possible explanation is that Selvig could have installed the fail safe for Loki's benefit - in that it wouldnt strictly go against Loki's will if Loki had a way to turn off the tesseract, should he want to.

Just because Selvig was under mind control, i dont think that means he would necessarily leave out a failsafe. I mean - i dont think Loki meant to leave the Tesseract portal on indefinitely, so there should have been an off button anyway.

spankmaster2000 · 30-04-2012 11:28am

Actually, this reminds me:

The mysterious chaps on the t.v. screens who were talking to Nick Fury were pretty much right after all. It was their nuclear missile that saved the day, not the Avengers. Or, if you want to be pedantic about it, it was Tony Stark who saved the day; while the other 5 just stood and watched.

The Chitauri seemed to suffer from the "stormtrooper effect" and didn't appear to actually kill anyone, other than wrecking a few cars and buildings. I don't wonder if the Earth's armies couldn't have actually won that battle easily enough anyway.

The Avengers (2012) *spoilers from post 1181*

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