M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

Gerobrien25 · 12-06-2014 1:05pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Unlikely, companies are anxious to start work right after contract sign.

I was of the understanding that construction had to start within a month of the contracts been signed. This was the case with other major infrastructure projects

spacetweek · 12-06-2014 3:44pm

Gerobrien25 wrote: »

I was of the understanding that construction had to start within a month of the contracts been signed. This was the case with other major infrastructure projects

It's been speculated on elsewhere in the thread but the construction company are likely preparing stuff already, but not necessarily in places visible from existing roads.

GDSGR8 · 12-06-2014 9:40pm

Gerobrien25 wrote: »

I was of the understanding that construction had to start within a month of the contracts been signed. This was the case with other major infrastructure projects

Not in the case of a design/build or PPP as is the case here. The contractor has to complete the detailed design and have it approved by the employer. Takes at least 4 months, probably more for a contract this size. The designers are a mixture of irish and british companies so some of the design work is likely being done in the UK.

annfield1978 · 12-06-2014 10:57pm

Design work being done is Ireland UK and Poland

Ascii · 13-06-2014 2:10pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

Design work being done is Ireland UK and Poland

Source ? What element of the design in being done abroad ? Both of the design teams have substantial offices and employees in Ireland so I would not expect them to carry out such work abroad.

spacetweek · 13-06-2014 3:06pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

Design work being done is Ireland UK and Poland

Annfield, you talk like an insider but we're gonna need to know where you're getting your info from.

yer man! · 13-06-2014 6:46pm

Surveying work on the motorway in Gort today, good few engineers walking about.

sonnyblack · 15-06-2014 2:36pm

IMO they will be starting the cuttings and earth moving prior to requiring the detailed design for the structures. If the Engineers are on the ground, then the earthmoving will soon be starting.

flat 2 the..... · 15-06-2014 11:08pm

Bridge structures start first , it wont be till later on earth works will start and it will be next summer before the main rock cuts and associated work will be done
The earth work is the quickest part to be done , its the desgsign that holds all these jobs up , the moterway way jobs I have worked on usually end up with earthworks being done and waiting for the designers to complete another section

GalwayMagpie · 26-06-2014 10:20am

http://claregalway.info/nuacht/news/2014/06/claregalway-bypass-finally-scrapped/

claregalway.info wrote:

It was understood by local residents that once the Gort–Tuam motorway got the go-ahead, that funding would be provided for the Claregalway inner relief road.
But now Deputy Noel Grealish has been informed by the Department of Transport that there will be no funding for the project this year. The project was ready to go to the compulsory purchase of land stage.
There is no commitment from Minister Leo Varadkar that any funding for the much needed bypass will be provided in the future.

Whilst it will have an impact I cannot see this Motorway giving the much needed relief to Claregalway that some think it will.

popa smurf · 26-06-2014 12:25pm

is there going to be a toll on this new motorway i am sure its covered on this tread but am too lazy to read all 138 pages

Zubeneschamali · 26-06-2014 12:48pm

popa smurf wrote: »

is there going to be a toll on this new motorway

No.

muchos04 · 03-07-2014 10:02pm

Anything happening on the ground with this project??

etchyed · 03-07-2014 10:27pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Annfield, you talk like an insider but we're gonna need to know where you're getting your info from.

You're not gonna need to know anything. If the person is an insider, they're hardly going to want to reveal who they are. If their assertions are found to be correct, you'll know what they can be trusted.

f2 · 04-07-2014 9:36am

No havent seen any action on the Tuam end

annfield1978 · 05-07-2014 9:15am

You wont see any action until next year, and by that I mean serious earthworks, structures etc

The three Contractors are unlikely to start in January /February if the weather is poor, more likely March

Otherwise there will be a bit of site set up, maybe a bit of fencing

there is some site investigation to get done, but dont get too excited when you see a few rigs dotted around

flat 2 the..... · 05-07-2014 9:09pm

Does Roadbridge civil have the plant and machinery needed for the construction of this road available in this county at the moment or is there any company left in ireland to faciltate the earthworks and structures on this road

red bull · 05-07-2014 10:34pm

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Does Roadbridge civil have the plant and machinery needed for the construction of this road available in this county at the moment or is there any company left in ireland to faciltate the earthworks and structures on this road

Willis bros

flat 2 the..... · 05-07-2014 11:59pm

red bull wrote: »

Willis bros

They have a fair fleet but not a hope with 57km of moterway to be built and they seem to have never taken on more than a 20km stretch that I know of

Carawaystick · 13-07-2014 11:53pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

You wont see any action until next year, and by that I mean serious earthworks, structures etc

The three Contractors are unlikely to start in January /February if the weather is poor, more likely March

Otherwise there will be a bit of site set up, maybe a bit of fencing

there is some site investigation to get done, but dont get too excited when you see a few rigs dotted around

There may be trees/ditches cut down in the winter, its harder to do in the nesting season

red bull · 14-07-2014 12:53am

The announcement was a political stroke, it probably will go ahead to save face. Its a ridiculous situation land bought and paid for surveys done. Badly needed infrastructure'

f2 · 14-07-2014 9:34am

red bull wrote: »

The announcement was a political stroke, it probably will go ahead to save face. Its a ridiculous situation land bought and paid for surveys done. Badly needed infrastructure'

Get real do you honestly think these companies sign contracts on a policital whim

antoobrien · 14-07-2014 9:38am

The CPO vesting orders were published in the City Tribune this week for the N17 section of the project, the land will be taken over on August 1st and will be available for works from then.

Middle Man · 14-07-2014 1:41pm

red bull wrote: »

The announcement was a political stroke, it probably will go ahead to save face. Its a ridiculous situation land bought and paid for surveys done. Badly needed infrastructure'

I presume it's the Claregalway inner bypass you're talking about...

Middle Man · 14-07-2014 1:53pm

antoobrien wrote: »

The CPO vesting orders were published in the City Tribune this week for the N17 section of the project, the land will be taken over on August 1st and will be available for works from then.

Now, here's a guess - I'm thinking that the consortium will bring in enough machinery and workers to construct around 25-30 km of road at any one time. They may start work in early 2015 (after site clearance/preparation this year) on the N18 section and Rathmorrisey (many different spellings of this it seems) Interchange and finish those parts in 2017. After earthworks on the N18 section, work might start on the M17 and N17 Tuam Bypass in 2016 with completion of those sections in 2018. This IMO would be a similar situation to what happened on the M6 Kinnegad to Athlone scheme - this road was contacted out in two sections and in that case, Bam did both contracts and IIRC, constructed the M6 K to A in a similar manner to what I described above.

What do you guys think?

f2 · 14-07-2014 3:22pm

No this is one contract, I can see them doing the southern end first as the rock cleared will be wanted towards Tuam end, it was also stated at the oral hearing that there is enough rock at Gort end to fill Tuam end, I also remember reading that construction was to start at 3 locations

johnc22 · 14-07-2014 8:21pm

Hi all where will the compound be ... In gort or tuam. When will work start people I know are saying September ? .

14-07-2014 9:55pm

What I heard is they are starting in the middle and working both ways, so that means one Base, around Athenry somewhere

johnc22 · 14-07-2014 9:57pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What I heard is they are starting in the middle and working both ways, so that means one Base, around Athenry somewhere

Ah I see not so bad I wonder who got the fencing contract ,

15-07-2014 4:17am

The bits I've seen are already fenced around Athenry

johnc22 · 15-07-2014 8:47am

Does anyone really know when it's going to start ?

f2 · 15-07-2014 8:49am

very little fenced overall and the majority of it was done at the landowners request, the rest was where the archoligests wanted it done.

Naux · 15-07-2014 3:59pm

:pac:

red bull wrote: »

The announcement was a political stroke, it probably will go ahead to save face. Its a ridiculous situation land bought and paid for surveys done. Badly needed infrastructure'

Its like the Garth Brooks Saga in reverse!!

Have the planning to a tee but no performers:pac:

flat 2 the..... · 16-07-2014 11:39pm

Just herd today from a sourse that work wont start till january 2015 , anyone else hear this or is this false information

red bull · 17-07-2014 1:24am

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Just herd today from a sourse that work wont start till january 2015 , anyone else hear this or is this false information

Now you see, political opertunity before elections. Of course this project will go ahead but when.

sonnyblack · 17-07-2014 9:01am

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Just herd today from a sourse that work wont start till january 2015 , anyone else hear this or is this false information

If that is the case then I will have to eat humble pie and acknowledge to anfield1978 that he/she was right all along.

It would amaze me I have to say that a roads contract would be signed at the end of april and that works would not commence on site until 8 months later. My own guess is that some sort of clearance and cutting will start after the august bank holiday weekend. Someone mnetioned that they is a lot of rock on one end of the scheme. Why can't rock breaking begin in the short term? It would be one less job to do and give a good headstart

serfboard · 17-07-2014 11:49am

sonnyblack wrote: »

It would amaze me I have to say that a roads contract would be signed at the end of april before an election and that works would not commence on site until 8 months later.

Doesn't amaze me at all for the FYP reason above.

"Bread and circuses" as the Romans used to call it.

spacetweek · 17-07-2014 2:04pm

Not much on this thread lately apart from unsourced speculation and wisecracks about elections. Can we limit our posts to news about actual work people know to be taking place on the scheme?

flat 2 the..... · 18-07-2014 8:46pm

sonnyblack wrote: »

If that is the case then I will have to eat humble pie and acknowledge to anfield1978 that he/she was right all along.

It would amaze me I have to say that a roads contract would be signed at the end of april and that works would not commence on site until 8 months later. My own guess is that some sort of clearance and cutting will start after the august bank holiday weekend. Someone mnetioned that they is a lot of rock on one end of the scheme. Why can't rock breaking begin in the short term? It would be one less job to do and give a good headstart

Planning permission and blasting the rock may have problems with houses near by and they would need to get crushers and screders on site and they will probably tender out the rock work to some company , which all takes alot of time

sonnyblack · 22-07-2014 10:56am

I'll probably be killed for speculating but here goes. did I recall that someone said on this thread that Wills Construction were going to be undertaking the groundworks for the scheme but wouldn;t be able to start until after they had finished the Ballaghadreen bypass. Well, that's opening on the August Bank Holiday weekend. Wonder if they'll make a start on Gort Tuam after that.

flat 2 the..... · 22-07-2014 11:57am

sonnyblack wrote: »

I'll probably be killed for speculating but here goes. did I recall that someone said on this thread that Wills Construction were going to be undertaking the groundworks for the scheme but wouldn;t be able to start until after they had finished the Ballaghadreen bypass. Well, that's opening on the August Bank Holiday weekend. Wonder if they'll make a start on Gort Tuam after that.

Is wills bros not doing the m11 at the moment in arklow

tonc76 · 22-07-2014 2:33pm

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Is wills bros not doing the m11 at the moment in arklow

No that's BAM

flat 2 the..... · 22-07-2014 7:05pm

tonc76 wrote: »

No that's BAM

Are wills doing the earthmoving

f2 · 24-07-2014 7:37pm

spoke to 2 men yesterday[met them on the ground near Tuam], they didnt say who they were working for, had a map of M17 with them, said fencing to start next October, work to begin at 3 different sections, Tuam end, Gort end and possibly at Athenry junction

flat 2 the..... · 27-07-2014 11:31am

Arent they taken there time getting started for such a big project , they must have all the area well surveyed.is there any bog or bad ground along this project

glineli · 27-07-2014 1:14pm

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Arent they taken there time getting started for such a big project , they must have all the area well surveyed.is there any bog or bad ground along this project

I am surprised they allowed such a long time between signing contracts and actually starting. Just seems surprising to me

red bull · 27-07-2014 1:19pm

glineli wrote: »

I am surprised they allowed such a long time between signing contracts and actually starting. Just seems surprising to me

EIECTIONS

antoobrien · 28-07-2014 10:31am

glineli wrote: »

I am surprised they allowed such a long time between signing contracts and actually starting. Just seems surprising to me

More CPO vesting orders published in the tribune over the weekend, lands to vest on August 22nd.

Bit hard to do work if the land isn't available.

glineli · 28-07-2014 1:47pm

antoobrien wrote: »

More CPO vesting orders published in the tribune over the weekend, lands to vest on August 22nd.

Bit hard to do work if the land isn't available.

Sorry, i thought all land had been CPO'ed already

antoobrien · 28-07-2014 3:23pm

glineli wrote: »

Sorry, i thought all land had been CPO'ed already

Yes, but the vesting order to officially change the ownership of the land hadn't been processed.

M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

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