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FF Voters - Please apologise here.....

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  • #152
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    What is democracy?


  • #153
    Agamemnon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    earlyevening wrote: »
    What do you want? Anarchy? Somalia has no government. Lets try that. They also have no electricity.
    Its not just FF you hate, but democracy. Jeepers.
    Eh? WTF are you babbling about? :confused: Was that supposed to be a reply to someone else's post? I want our politicians to serve our interests, not theirs. I want our public representatives to take their obligations to us (their financiers) seriously, and stop treating their jobs as a gravy train. That's the whole point of democracy.


  • #154
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    but unless you like watching the rich get richer and poor suffer...

    Society wouldn't work too well if the rich got poorer despite working while the poor prospered despite being idle.
    Its about balance. Allow the rich to achieve most of their aims and give the poor a few quid to squander in the bookies and get locked down the local on the weekend.
    FF look after the centre ground and are a populist party. They'll happily abandon principles and move as society moves - thus ensuring they'll stay in power as often as possible.
    Really, they're not as bad as some of you make out. The venom is unreal. They're just a group of men and women doing their jobs and their views are centre ground and shouldn't really arouse so much anger. You gotta learn to love 'em. You might be happier. If you can't beat 'em...

    Anyway, its been fun. Goodnight.


  • #155
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Stekelly wrote: »
    What are people appologising for now? the world economy going into the crapper?

    No. For voting for a government who took no measures to protect the country against it.
    I assume people think that an Enda Kenny led government would have been announcing mass tax cuts and free money for all on Tues?

    I don't think people want mass tax cuts and free money. It's insulting to people who have genuine complaints about the FF government to make out that they just want free money.

    Personally I think FG would have been far more fiscally responsible during the boom years had they been in power. No government could have completely shielded us from the effects of a global downturn but I think FG wouldn't have indulged in giveaway budgets the way FF have.


  • #156
    Wurly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Wurly


    Rebeller wrote: »
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    Oh jesus. What's that in his teeth??

    /vomit.:(


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  • #157
    Wurly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Wurly


    funk-you wrote: »
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    Joan is a Boardsie!

    -Funk
    I really like her, I have to say.:)


  • #158
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,634 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    earlyevening wrote: »
    Society wouldn't work too well if the rich got poorer despite working while the poor prospered despite being idle.
    Its about balance. Allow the rich to achieve most of their aims and give the poor a few quid to squander in the bookies and get locked down the local on the weekend.
    FF look after the centre ground and are a populist party. They'll happily abandon principles and move as society moves - thus ensuring they'll stay in power as often as possible.
    Really, they're not as bad as some of you make out. The venom is unreal. They're just a group of men and women doing their jobs and their views are centre ground and shouldn't really arouse so much anger. You gotta learn to love 'em. You might be happier. If you can't beat 'em...

    Anyway, its been fun. Goodnight.

    "Balance"...?! Like the banks are "balancing" right now? Like the "balanced" Budget we just received?

    They are every bit as bad as people make out, becauset they put money before people. They could have easily kept people happy during the boom while planning for the furture and taken the chance to improve on infrastructure.

    It works in Scandanavia, because they put people first, not money.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #159
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    way to go - our proud irish government - bail out your banking buds , bail put yer builder buds , then screw the people , after crapping on them for the last god knows how many years.

    picking on the OLD for fcuks sake , and taxing even the minimum wage.

    enjoy the next three , cos its yer last ,

    lots of people will sit there and take it like the dimwits they are - but this time - I reckon you've gone too far.


    and you forget can about Lisbon an all :mad:


  • #160
    mickos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭mickos


    I have to say I can now apoligise whole heartedly for voting FF at the last election. I have been absoloutely sickened by what has gone on of late. If anybody could at least put up their hands and say we ****ed up but give us a chance and we'll make it right i'd give them some credit but thats not in their nature is it. Bertie couldn't do it, he sooner wasted tax payers money lying through his teeth in the tribunals and i'm damn sure none of the shower in now will do it either.
    What sickened me most about the budget was offering mortgages to citzens who earn over 40 grand. Keep house prices inflated and the developers and banks happy.
    I personnaly don't think we;ll have to wait the 4 years to get rid of them if some of the backbenchers can grow a backbone and revolt it could collapse long before then.
    As for where to go next I have no idea I hate the thoughts of voting FG and I won't if Enda is still in charge. I possibly would if Richard Bruton took over he seems decent enough. but I think we need something completely new from what I can see the majority of TD's have no concept of reality.


  • #161
    junkyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭junkyard


    ninty9er wrote: »
    We pay for Garrett and Albert's chariots, what's the problem.

    @OP: Why exactly do you expect people to apologise for voting FF?

    edit: and wtf is with the fascination with negative equity....it means diddly squat to any homeowner.

    This kind of attitude sums up the typical brassnecked FF supporter, I honestly think they really are a different breed:confused:.


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  • #162
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    mickos wrote: »
    As for where to go next I have no idea I hate the thoughts of voting FG and I won't if Enda is still in charge. I possibly would if Richard Bruton took over he seems decent enough. but I think we need something completely new from what I can see the majority of TD's have no concept of reality.

    Richard Bruton will become Finance Minister if FG get in. That's the most important ministry and the one that needs the most attention at the moment. To a certain extent, he would be wasted as party leader because of all the crap that goes with it like opening pubs and presenting shamrock to the US president etc. As Minister for Finance he would be able to get on with his job.


  • #163
    mickos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭mickos


    javaboy wrote: »
    Richard Bruton will become Finance Minister if FG get in. That's the most important ministry and the one that needs the most attention at the moment. To a certain extent, he would be wasted as party leader because of all the crap that goes with it like opening pubs and presenting shamrock to the US president etc. As Minister for Finance he would be able to get on with his job.
    well they may get someone else in for party leader Kenny makes my skin crawl. Ivan yeats was a good man when he was in the party, any chance he'd ever go back to politics?


  • #164
    heyjude
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭heyjude


    mickdw wrote: »

    It is a very underhand budget though. that 1% levy is really dirty.

    What is the purpose of the minimum wage ? What is the purpose of having income tax exemptions for low paid workers ? Presumably to protect the lowest paid workers in the country, why then introduce a levy on all income, even that earned by those not in the tax net ? That is dirty, you're right, even if you were being flippant. That levy might be enough to make some low paid workers forget about work altogether, I mean social welfare payments aren't liable to this levy, but the wages of workers on the minimum wage are.
    snyper wrote: »
    More money pumped into the health service than any other government? Wheres it all gone? Ask the consultants ..oh no..wait dont do that.. because if Mary Harney tries to get answers.. they'l just picket.

    Schools, again - millions pumped into education, and many new schools, the teacher pupil ratio is lower now that it was - we have one of the highest standards of education in europe.

    And public transport infrastructure? Unless you dont get out very much, there has been massive investment and massive upgrading of our road netword. If you want to tell me a story about a pothole on your road in south Kerry good for you, but look at the motorways that have been rolled out over the last few years alone..

    Any trained monkey could spend billions, the reason why we supposedly pay government ministers over 200k per year is to ensure that it is spent in a way that produces the desired result at the lowest cost. As Michael O'Leary said before, if he went to his shareholders looking for millions to buy new aircraft, the shareholders would want to know the cost, how he intended to use them and what the benefits(profits etc) would be and if they okayed the spending and the benefits weren't delivered he'd be in trouble. Yet when ministers ask for billions to do something, if its a success they claim the credit, if not they blame someone else. Nobody could claim with a straight face that we have got good value for money for all we have spent and as for the teacher pupil ratio being lower than it once was, its still one of the highest in Europe, which isn't acceptable given that not so long ago the government was claiming we were the third wealthiest country in the world !
    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    FF, while nowhere near perfect, were (and still are) the best/most experienced option out of a bad lot.
    How is anyone else to get experience if you never give them a chance ? How experienced were Brian Cowan, Brian Lenihan, etc before they went into government for the first time ? No matter how much experience someone has, everyone has a first day in the job. You could also say that FF are the most experienced at overseeing the end of the Celtic Tiger and leading the country into recession.
    square_igloo wrote: »
    I look at Fianna Fail and I see a group of imperfect, yet determined and dedicated, politicians who have done a good job overall of leading this country for the past 11 years.
    FF are determined to do whatever it takes to stay in power and milk the system for every advantage they can get and they are dedicated to enriching not only themselves but the powerful lobby groups such as the builders and publicans. Remember when Alan Dukes tried to introduce VAT on childrens shoes the way Fianna Fail set on him and hounded him out and now they withdraw medical cards for the elderly, which is probably even worse as it could cost lives. Dedicated......:(
    square_igloo wrote: »
    I look at Fine Gael and I see a bunch of sneering clowns who bitch and moan at every oppurtunity instead of offering anything productive
    The first job of the opposition is to oppose hence the name, Fianna Fail characterise this as bitching and moaning, yet if Fianna Fail backbenchers go to Brian Lenihan to complain about the medical card issue they aren't bitching or moaning eh, yet they have the power to stop it by voting against it. But no. As for offering anything productive, the opposition parties regularly make proposals on various issues, but Fianna Fail has all the answers and rejects anything that they didn't propose themselves.
    javaboy wrote: »
    That's all well and good but Enda Kenny isn't cool. We can't have someone uncharismatic as Taoiseach ffs! How the hell is he supposed to run the country if he doesn't look like someone you might have a few pints with?
    So Brian Cowan is charismatic ? :eek: As for Kenny not looking like someone you might have a few pints with, I thought we were looking for someone to lead the country, not choosing someone to be a drinking buddy. Give me competence over charisma anytime.


  • #165
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    mickos wrote: »
    well they may get someone else in for party leader Kenny makes my skin crawl. Ivan yeats was a good man when he was in the party, any chance he'd ever go back to politics?

    So what if Kenny makes your skin crawl? You're not marrying him ffs.
    heyjude wrote: »
    So Brian Cowan is charismatic ? :eek: As for Kenny not looking like someone you might have a few pints with, I thought we were looking for someone to lead the country, not choosing someone to be a drinking buddy. Give me competence over charisma anytime.

    I agree completely.


  • #166
    IRISH RAIL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭IRISH RAIL


    I just have to reply now my blood is boiling
    first every newspaper that had a "what the budget means for you colum"
    seriously look at the country "single guy on e120000 a year" married couple wit income of 100,000 get real, average industrial wage earners? you mean civil servants right?

    what happened to single guy who earns 25,000 who is renting and cant afford a pint at the weekend?

    what happened to married guy who earns 11 euro an hour with a recruitment agency and cant sleep at night because he could get a phone call in the morning saying he is not needed anymore?

    what about the over 70s who get a pittiance for a pension then get thier medical card taken away food and gas/coal aint cheap you know and they assume they dont pay rent.

    they have cut back on the amount of money they could have made by cutting back on opening hours in pubs/off licences and tried to claw it back by increasing the cost of getting a late licence but guess what you morons the pubs are closing fast so theres less money and more unemployed.

    8 euro for a packet of fags!!! thats crazy wheres my friends from eastern eourope who can sell me them for e35 for 200 because thats what everyone else will do. if you want people to quit subsidise niccorette thats just as expensive without the pleasure.

    rant over for now but I will leave on this note is there any orginisation setting up a mass protest against this sham government ?


  • #167
    rogue-entity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭rogue-entity


    Just two things:
    First, I wont be apologising, I had the good sence NOT to vote for that shower of bastards.

    Second: FF voters have lost the right to complain about the current government, you voted for them, live with it. And anyone who complains about the hike in petrol prices... you better not have voted for the Greens.

    If I spoke Swedish, I would have moved to Sweden a long time ago, they wouldnt have sat on their asses and tolerated the kind of crap that has gone on in this country over the past 10 years.


  • #168
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    why dont the irish people take to the streets? if this was France or the Uk it would be a different story What is it about the irish mentality that we consistantly do sweet FA


  • #169
    Dinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    why dont the irish people take to the streets? if this was France or the Uk it would be a different story What is it about the irish mentality that we consistantly do sweet FA

    Because that's what's so good about this budget. There's enough pared back that revenues will boom but not enough to drive through our laziness and apathy.

    I.e. if the income levy was introduced at 5% (which when you account for health and employment levy and raised VAT it basicaly is) then there probably would be uproar. However as the more severe tax grabs are all spread out and implemented as well through shadow taxes (council tax, parking, loss of services etc) most of the electorate don't realise.


  • #170
    joeybloggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joeybloggs


    I ain't apoligising for nothing.

    Vote No to the Lisbon treaty people should apologise.

    p.s.Sarkozy is the man.


  • #171
    Sean Quagmire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    joeybloggs wrote: »
    I ain't apoligising for nothing.

    Vote No to the Lisbon treaty people should apologise.

    p.s.Sarkozy is the man.


    do you think if the lisbon treaty was passed, would we be in this mess?


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  • #172
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    Scandanavia. That old chestnut. Their banking system went tits up 10 years ago too you know. They had a property crash. They spend their days moaning about the 60% income tax that they pay for all these services. No party in Ireland at the last election was proposing to increase income tax 10% and provide state of the art hospitals at the end of every street.
    Government is also about taking a long term view. Today its all about the med card, last week it was the A and E crisis, next week it'll be something else. If they reinstate the med card for wealthy oaps they'll cut something else. They can't just print out another 100 million euro (well they can but that would create other problems).

    Hope you're all looking forward to the weekend and the stress of this "crisis" doesn't put you off your pint.

    Edit:In fact the Swedes threw out their social democrat government a few years ago and voted in a centre right goverment. Thats how sick of it they were. The socialists had been in longer than FF here in the last few decades.


  • #173
    Dinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    earlyevening wrote: »
    No party in Ireland at the last election was proposing to increase income tax 10% and provide state of the art hospitals at the end of every street.

    And the fact that they took 1% do you think they'll manage to put one state of the art hospital for every 10 streets. Or even one for every county.

    What ratio do you figure they're working to?


  • #174
    joeybloggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joeybloggs


    Sean Quagmire wrote: »
    do you think if the lisbon treaty was passed, would we be in this mess?

    Oh god No, I was just being controversial.Hence the Sarkozy thing, he's actually a bit of a frog.

    I cannot wait to see entertainment in the future you guys will provide when the recession is in full swing.Squealing like a pig.


  • #175
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    As I'm sure you know, the state was 10 bn short this year and tax increases will provide 2bn of the shortfall in order to stay level. I don't think we can expect much in the next few years except to attempt to remain steady.
    I wonder if we'll get still get the monorail to Ogdenville and North Haverbrook built.


  • #176
    Dinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    And tell me where were we in the 10 years leading up to this year?


  • #177
    earlyevening
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    Dinter wrote: »
    And tell me where were we in the 10 years leading up to this year?

    I don't understand. In terms of what exactly? It was take me hours to outline everything.


  • #178
    Silent Partner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Silent Partner


    I am sorry.


  • #179
    Rebeller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 271 ✭✭Rebeller


    Silent Partner wrote: »
    I am sorry.

    BL.jpg :D


  • #180
    runswithascript
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭runswithascript


    Why is this not in the politics forum?


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  • #181
    Silent Partner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Silent Partner


    Rebeller wrote: »
    BL.jpg :D

    I emailed him already, thanks.


  • #182
    Dinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    earlyevening wrote: »
    I don't understand. In terms of what exactly? It was take me hours to outline everything.

    I'm asking you to back up your "point".


  • #183
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    I have yet to vote in a general election (just turned 18 a few weeks before the Lisbon Treaty).

    I'm not a huge fan of Fianna Fáil but I'd choose them and Brian Cowen to run the country over Enda Kenny any day. I've nothing against Fine Gael and would probably vote for them if Enda Kenny wasn't the leader, but I really dislike that guy.


  • #184
    Raiser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    In the run up to the election last year there were wise men [in hindsight Gobshítes] saying that a vote for the Green Party meant that you were going to channel votes away from Fianna Fails local reprobate and hence ensure FF didn't get back in.

    But oh my God the living nightmare; we ended up with FF and the fcuking teabag recycling, Llama duffel-coat wearing, BP, Texaco and Exxon Share-buying, 6 watt lightbulb up their eco-arsés Green Party.

    Perched on the outer north-western edge of Europe with a minuscule population of 4.4 Million people versus London's 13+ Million. A handful of cars, 16 factories that are all set to shut down and one of the lowest population densities on the Planet.......Then how in the name of fcuk did we manage to curse, plague and scourge ourselves with a collective of low-brow, eco-pontificating, cress-harvesting, fools championing a cause that belongs in the smog of LA, Hong Kong or perhaps Moscow [?]

    These are people who have never had a real job, hobby or reason to be beyond attending meetings populated by other idiots who have also constructed their own clothes and shoes from the fruits of the woodland floor. Put these people in a room together and you are assembling fools - the astute, hard-working, mortgage-paying man is not present here, why? Because he is too hard-working, has a mortgage to pay and is not that fcuking stupid.

    The worst thing is that now they are there they cannot be seen to be doing nothing - this unfortunately means that they will do stuff. Bad stuff. Mad stuff. Really irritating stuff. They will try and save the Planet from your 1.6 litre Ford by making you pay huge taxes on every drop of petrol you put into it, tax the tarmac it sits on while you're at work and then give all the money to the fcuking HSE for one of their 10,012 Middle Managers to go out and bulldoze a bog in Connemara to build a holiday home on :eek:

    P.S. Yes I voted Green and yes I am very, very sorry - I will never, ever do it again     :(


  • #185
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    I am a little nervous at the latest run of shenanigans, including finger pointing at Mary Harney and resignations by FF backbenchers, the dirty scumbags are trying to destabilise their own coalition and make another party bear the brunt of the next few years in government.

    I'm not certain, but I'm suspicious of the evil twats.


  • #186
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    snyper wrote: »
    Lol.
    Blame ff for world recession.

    this country is full of gobshytes

    I am posting this to remind me to give you thanks later when i am not on my mobile..

    That post made my day.


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  • #187
    mumhaabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭mumhaabu


    I voted for Fine Gael 1 & 2 and 3 to Labour.

    Repeat after me, I will never vote Fianna Fail ever again and promise solemnly to vote for an Alternative of either FG, Lab & maybe the PD's <(if they exist). We need an alternative but it is good to leave FF bathe in this sh1te, imagine if it was a FG/Lab/Green government with Richard Bruton delivering the budget on Wednesday, their respective parties would be annihilated and blamed for throwing it all away.

    Fianna Failure


  • #188
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Raiser wrote: »
    Then how in the name of fcuk did we manage to curse, plague and scourge ourselves with a collective of low-brow, eco-pontificating, cress-harvesting, fools championing a cause that belongs in the smog of LA, Hong Kong or perhaps Moscow [?]

    This could have something to do with it:
    Raiser wrote: »
    I voted Green

    The mind boggles.

    Why in the name of God would you give a party a vote if you don't want them in government? The idea of voting a low preference for a small party to try and inflict maximal damage on some other party via transfers only makes sense if you don't actually mind the possibility of the small party getting in.


  • #189
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    After seeing the impact the Green Party has had on this budget (the obvious one being an extra 8c a litre on petrol) I definitely won't vote for them in the next election.

    This is supposed to encourage using public transport, but for those of us who live a bit of a distance from the nearest train station, they now charge for parking in the station! A bit hypocritical if you ask me


  • #190
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    javaboy wrote: »
    The mind boggles.

    Why in the name of God would you give a party a vote if you don't want them in government? The idea of voting a low preference for a small party to try and inflict maximal damage on some other party via transfers only makes sense if you don't actually mind the possibility of the small party getting in.

    The colour of the Govt the Greens joined was not what a lot of people voted for. It did look like a FG, Labour Green Govt was a runner. The Dynamics of that would have been far different to the diktat-based Govt we ended up with. The behaviour of the Greens since they discovered political power has been appalling by any standards.


  • #191
    heyjude
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭heyjude


    Mark200 wrote: »
    After seeing the impact the Green Party has had on this budget (the obvious one being an extra 8c a litre on petrol) I definitely won't vote for them in the next election.

    This is supposed to encourage using public transport, but for those of us who live a bit of a distance from the nearest train station, they now charge for parking in the station! A bit hypocritical if you ask me

    Not the first tax increase on petrol since Fianna Fail came to power ten years ago, just the latest of many. But of course, the Greens are responsible for this one :rolleyes::rolleyes: A bit selective to blame the Greens though, when virtually every Minister for Finance in the last 30 years has increased tax on petrol.

    I do agree with you about charging for station parking though.


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  • #192
    flanzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Mark200 wrote: »
    After seeing the impact the Green Party has had on this budget (the obvious one being an extra 8c a litre on petrol) I definitely won't vote for them in the next election.

    This is supposed to encourage using public transport, but for those of us who live a bit of a distance from the nearest train station, they now charge for parking in the station! A bit hypocritical if you ask me


    The Green Party will be the new PDs. The next election should see voters flush them out into the sewers of obscurity.


  • #193
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    heyjude wrote: »
    Not the first tax increase on petrol since Fianna Fail came to power ten years ago, just the latest of many. But of course, the Greens are responsible for this one :rolleyes::rolleyes: A bit selective to blame the Greens though, when virtually every Minister for Finance in the last 30 years has increased tax on petrol.

    To be fair, 8 cent a litre is a huge increase and something I don't believe (though I admit I'm not 100% sure on) is in line with the previous rate of increase on petrol tax. There's currently 52c of tax on every litre of petrol. And every litre of petrol costs about just over €1.20 I believe. Quite a lot of tax by any measure, increasing it by so much just isn't the way to go....especially with the economy the way it is.


    And €200 a year charge for employees who received parking spaces from their employers? Ridiculous


  • #194
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The colour of the Govt the Greens joined was not what a lot of people voted for. It did look like a FG, Labour Green Govt was a runner. The Dynamics of that would have been far different to the diktat-based Govt we ended up with. The behaviour of the Greens since they discovered political power has been appalling by any standards.

    You're right of course but the poster I was replying to was complaining about the Greens implementing green policies. What the hell did people who voted for Green candidates expect them to do?

    Do people actually think they wouldn't have tried to get incandescent bulbs banned, tax parking spaces, hike petrol prices et cetera et cetera if they were in government with Labour/FG? What part of Green did they not understand when they were giving votes to the Greens? :confused:


  • #195
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Raiser wrote: »
    ...Yes I voted Green and yes I am very, very sorry - I will never, ever do it again :(

    Same here. I voted for them too. NEVER again will I do so.
    Its not just over the medical card issue. I live a few miles down from Tara too.
    The fact that they buried and tried to hush up geological reports is criminal in itself.
    They have sold out on many issues to retain their seats (and high wages/perks!).
    They have sold out and talking to others, I have found many feel the same way.


  • #196
    seclachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭seclachi


    Biggins wrote: »
    Same here. I voted for them too. NEVER again will I do so.
    Its not just over the medical card issue. I live a few miles down from Tara too.
    The fact that they buried and tried to hush up geological reports is criminal in itself.
    They have sold out on many issues to retain their seats (and high wages/perks!).
    They have sold out and talking to others, I have found many feel the same way.

    I think this might be a common thought amongst green voters now. I wouldn't mind the fact that a politicion sells out from time to time, at the end of the day your probably not gonna get voted in unless you promise the earth (cos the other guy who did will get voted in). But the greens always gave off the vibe (and i mostly take this from the fact trevor sargent resigned) they had integrity or what ever, I mean you wouldnt even mind there line of thinking (if were in power we can do some good, however little) but for the fact they would told ya 2-3 years ago that they would never do such a thing.

    I`m not even a green voter myself, but Im not a person to vote for a party either, when I vote for a TD i try and see if hes actualy done something good or not, if i thought a fella was outstanding i would let the fact that he was ff/fg/labour/green stop me (certain other partys would stop me for sure though :pac:)


  • #197
    Raiser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Me wrote:
    Then how in the name of fcuk did we manage to curse, plague and scourge ourselves with a collective of low-brow, eco-pontificating, cress-harvesting, fools championing a cause that belongs in the smog of LA, Hong Kong or perhaps Moscow [?]
    javaboy wrote: »
    This could have something to do with it:
    Me wrote:
    I voted Green
    javaboy wrote:
    The mind boggles.

    Why in the name of God would you give a party a vote if you don't want them in government? The idea of voting a low preference for a small party to try and inflict maximal damage on some other party via transfers only makes sense if you don't actually mind the possibility of the small party getting in.

    Just to set the record straight Javabean - that first one was a rhetorical question, in this case the type often asked by people when they know they've really fcuked up and accompanied by sobbing, banging ones head off the wall and gnashing of teeth while asleep.

    - At the time [in my infinite stupidity] I thought that if the whiney, moronic, petulant, simpering, whimpering, elderberry tea sipping, "I am just so mad about Daddy's 4X4" Green Party were a comical little sideshow - what harm could they do ? ?? ???

    Anyway apologies again [if thats not enough for you then fcuk off please take a moment to plant a renewable shrub while meditating with indigo crystals placed about the place to ward off real life. Its berries will sustain you and your family while at the same time it will create oxygen bubbles for our children to breathe.......(w@ankers)]


  • #198
    thelordofcheese
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    I voted for both FF and the greens, when you let your guard down for that split second.

    And i'd do it again.

    *sips tea*

    Goodbye.


  • #199
    Rebeller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 271 ✭✭Rebeller


    thelordofcheese wrote: »
    I voted for both FF and the greens, when you let your guard down for that split second.

    And i'd do it again.

    *sips tea*

    Goodbye.

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  • #200
    Denis Irwin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Denis Irwin


    snyper wrote: »
    Lol.
    Blame ff for world recession.

    this country is full of gobshytes


    This.

    I don't know how anbody could think FG would have done any better as we are in a recession which was caused by the global stock markets going into meltdown because of the banking crisis in the US (Although some here would have you believe that the only reason we are in a recession is solely because of FF :rolleyes: )

    (albeit it was a truly idiotic decison about the Medical Cards).


  • #201
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    A economic downturn might not have been avoided due to the state of America and its business procedures but...
    Irelands latest downturn started before America's.
    Fianna Fail made a hash of things while the going was good. Had they done their job even half right, there would have been some form of cushion protection against the now new onslaught of the effects of America and what it subsequently brought.
    Measures mightn't have to been as harsh and reactionary.

    I don't blame Fianna Fail for creating the current crises from America.
    I blame them for completely screwing up things even before America's latest decline.
    ...and they should stop using it also as the reason why things are bad from the start.
    They fraked up completely BEFORE - not after!


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