Petition against VAT on health foods

FullblownRose · 21-06-2014 11:48am #1

Hi all,

I think this extra VAT would be a huge deterrent to many people who want to purchase health foods and herbal treatments to improve their own health and prevent illness,

if you agree and would like to help to stop this from hapening please consider signing the petition :

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generic2012 · 21-06-2014 12:23pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

Hi all,

I think this extra VAT would be a huge deterrent to many people who want to purchase health foods and herbal treatments to improve their own health and prevent illness,

if you agree and would like to help to stop this from hapening please consider signing the petition :

<snip>

I won't be signing that as most 'health foods' and 'herbal treatments' have no beneficial effect on health and should be taxed as they are a luxury. Like organic food if people have enough money to waste on it at least let some of the money go back to people who can't afford proper food.

FullblownRose · 21-06-2014 12:26pm

generic2012 wrote: »

I won't be signing that as most 'health foods' and 'herbal treatments' have no beneficial effect on health and should be taxed as they are a luxury. Like organic food if people have enough money to waste on it at least let some of the money go back to people who can't afford proper food.

You are entitled to your opinion and I'm happy to say I have fund many of them highly efective, and they have saved me from having to rely on strong pharmaceutical drugs (not to 'knock' them either- but I would prefer to heal myself as naturally as possible when possible).

Anyway, nobody is holding a gun to your head to sign it, obviously only those who care about it will want to sign.

cormie · 21-06-2014 12:37pm

Aren't whole foods VAT free and everything in their natural state? What about fruit and veg? I'm all for the natural way to heal yourself too but where would you draw the line with what's luxury and what's not? There's no vat on whole nuts as far as I know or the likes of dates, but blend them together and package it nicely and there is? It's a strange one. Also what's the deal with importing such food from abroad, can they be stung for import duty and vat?

September1 · 23-06-2014 11:43am

generic2012 wrote: »

I won't be signing that as most 'health foods' and 'herbal treatments' have no beneficial effect on health and should be taxed as they are a luxury. Like organic food if people have enough money to waste on it at least let some of the money go back to people who can't afford proper food.

It makes sense, and I wonder if there should be other petition organised to make sure that this voice also gets heard.

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 12:03pm

September1 wrote: »

It makes sense, and I wonder if there should be other petition organised to make sure that this voice also gets heard.

A petition to increase the cost of items people pay for with their own hard earned money in an effort to improve their health and manage chronic conditions and decrease their reliance on chemical based items that come with side effects and are manufactured in environentally costly ways?

Are you confusing the words ''health foods'' with Class-A drugs? Or take-away foods?

Anyone would think people are having health foods handed to them by the state at the tax payers' expense!

Jees there are some bad minded people in the world. God forbid that tye would motivate themself to do something positive instead of begrudging and belittling others attempts.

23-06-2014 12:23pm

The petition is awfully vague isn't it? What is a "health food"?

Irish Revenue are slowly but surely rolling forward with a policy which will mean that any money spent on maintaining or improving your health will be taxed at 23%. We don’t believe that this is in the best interest of our customers & the general public and are petitioning Minister of Finance Michael Noonan to stop this from happening. This new tax would essentially be a tax on your best efforts to eat and live a healthier lifestyle. Try to treat a common cold or look after those creaky sore joints and soon you may have to pay VAT for the privilege.

If herbal teas are taxed more than black teas that seems rather odd but what else is it on about?

decrease their reliance on chemical based items

Everything is chemicals...

generic2012 · 23-06-2014 12:31pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

A petition to increase the cost of items people pay for with their own hard earned money in an effort to improve their health and manage chronic conditions and decrease their reliance on chemical based items that come with side effects and are manufactured in environentally costly ways?

Are you confusing the words ''health foods'' with Class-A drugs? Or take-away foods?

Anyone would think people are having health foods handed to them by the state at the tax payers' expense!

Jees there are some bad minded people in the world. God forbid that tye would motivate themself to do something positive instead of begrudging and belittling others attempts.

People get taxed for spending their hard earned money on alcohol, on sending kids to college, on a whole range of activities. Why should 'health' foods be any different?

Poppy seeds are seen as a 'health food' and are also used to make heroin, a class A drug, so perhaps you are the one that's confused.

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 2:58pm

''Everything is chemicals'' ? Oh well then we might as well not bother wearing gloves when we next use caustic soda or bleach.

I am learning to recognise some antagonistic posters on this site, so I will steer clear of the thread and leave it there to allow genuine posters to see the petition.

23-06-2014 3:00pm

Okay I'm sorry for trying to find out what you're petitioning about. Should I shut up and click yes to everything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_substance

23-06-2014 3:07pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

''Everything is chemicals'' ? Oh well then we might as well not bother wearing gloves when we next use caustic soda or bleach.

Don't even get me started on sodium chloride or dihydrogen monoxide

What exactly is the new legislation aimed at? From the petition site:

Irish Revenue are slowly but surely rolling forward with a policy which will mean that any money spent on maintaining or improving your health will be taxed at 23%

What does that mean? I buy apples to help "maintain or improve" my health. Are apples now going to be taxed at 23%?

Alf Veedersane · 23-06-2014 3:16pm

For a start, what is the basis of this belief that the government are going to remove VAT exemptions. The link above doesn't even really attempt to specify what it would apply to aside from a mention of tea.

September1 · 23-06-2014 3:17pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

A petition to increase the cost of items people pay for with their own hard earned money in an effort to improve their health and manage chronic conditions and decrease their reliance on chemical based items that come with side effects and are manufactured in environentally costly ways?

Oh no, you got me wrong. Let me clarify it, I'm fine with people spending money on medicine and in Ireland we already provide them for free to poorest people and with modest support to everyone else. This petition is about unproven grocery products that are expensive and use deceptive marketing frequently sold in "health shops" - and all that I object is giving those products preferential tax treatment. However I do agree with you that cost should go down, it would seem that manufacturers and "health shops" add massive margins to prices of low cost plant products.

FullblownRose wrote: »

Are you confusing the words ''health foods'' with Class-A drugs? Or take-away foods?

Explain what do you mean as "health foods" then.

FullblownRose wrote: »

Anyone would think people are having health foods handed to them by the state at the tax payers' expense!

If they have preferential tax regime it is equivalent of giving them money.

FullblownRose wrote: »

Jees there are some bad minded people in the world. God forbid that tye would motivate themself to do something positive instead of begrudging and belittling others attempts.

Actually I did suggest something positive and actionable. I think it will be good to make sure government is aware of what people think by means of petition.

generic2012 · 23-06-2014 3:23pm

If health foods worked they would be called medicine.

uh-oh...

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 3:44pm

generic2012 wrote: »

If health foods worked they would be called medicine.

uh-oh...

I find it so strange that you feel the need to make remarks like that, in the knowledge that others are of a different opinion and are not forcing their opinion on you.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you understand what modern synthetic medicine is derived from. Not that I require or want an answer from you.

As previously stated, the petition is there for those who wish to sign it, I'm afraid any frustrated trouble makers will have to pick an argument with someone else. If you wish to further explore the subject the whole internet is there at your disposal.

23-06-2014 3:46pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

If you wish to further explore the subject the whole internet is there at your disposal.

You could apply the same argument to posting this thread in the first place.

What health foods are they talking about?

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 3:50pm

bluewolf wrote: »

You could apply the same argument to posting this thread in the first place.

What health foods are they talking about?

I really do not see how, it's the closest to a health foods forum and i believe there might be people who would like to be aware of the petition.

Why are you commenting on the post, if you have no interest in the subject?

23-06-2014 3:54pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

I really do not see how, it's the closest to a health foods forum and i believe there might be people who would like to be aware of the petition.

Why are you commenting on the post, if you have no interest in the subject?

Who said I had no interest? I'm trying to find out what the petition is about?! It's a pretty simple question?

23-06-2014 4:30pm

Is this literally just about tea? Because if tea has different vat rates depending on being black / white / other then that's pretty mental imo and I'd be against that all right. I don't really see why they'd be categorised differently.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/storm-in-a-herbal-tea-cup-as-prices-to-jump-by-23pc-30169996.html

I don't get the "health foods" bit but if it's tea yeah

23-06-2014 4:36pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Is this literally just about tea? Because if tea has different vat rates depending on being black / white / other then that's pretty mental imo and I'd be against that all right. I don't really see why they'd be categorised differently.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/storm-in-a-herbal-tea-cup-as-prices-to-jump-by-23pc-30169996.html

I don't get the "health foods" bit but if it's tea yeah

But it seems it's not tea. Tea, by definition, comes from the tea plant. It looks like retailers have been selling "herbal infusions" as tea, and avoiding VAT on that basis. So no change in legislation, or even in classification, just enforcement of already existing policy

23-06-2014 4:40pm

It's all soaking different plants sure :pac:

rubadub · 23-06-2014 5:26pm

bluewolf wrote: »

What is a "health food"?

This is what I want to know too. I imagine the OP thinks people are nitpicking or being pedantic for the sake of it, but a legal definition is essential -there is no room for "ah jaysus, you know fine well what I mean" -then define it legally, if you can't then don't go any further the manufacturers will be laughing at the loopholes.

bluewolf wrote: »

It's a pretty simple question?

+1, the question is very simple, and stops people dead in their tracks when they realise how very difficult it is to define a health food, or junkfood or fast food for that matter.

I have asked this loads of times and never get a reasonable answer. There was a UK government body trying to describe junk food, it had to be very indepth and ruled out specific items which may fall under it.

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 7:06pm

rubadub wrote: »

This is what I want to know too. I imagine the OP thinks people are nitpicking or being pedantic for the sake of it, but a legal definition is essential -there is no room for "ah jaysus, you know fine well what I mean" -then define it legally, if you can't then don't go any further the manufacturers will be laughing at the loopholes.

+1, the question is very simple, and stops people dead in their tracks when they realise how very difficult it is to define a health food, or junkfood or fast food for that matter.

I have asked this loads of times and never get a reasonable answer. There was a UK government body trying to describe junk food, it had to be very indepth and ruled out specific items which may fall under it.

I'm afraid you imagine wrong, the OP thinks remarks along the lines of ''health foods are quakery and don't work'' is unhelpful. The title of the post is not ''Efficacy of health foods, please discuss''

It is simply a petition *some* people will want to know about.

I a sure there are posts where you can discuss the intricacies of the subject but that was never the purpose of this post. No doubt you can imagine you are stopping people ''dead in their tracks'' on another post, or create your own to showcase your skills.

Alf Veedersane · 23-06-2014 7:31pm

First they came for the herbal infusions...

rubadub · 23-06-2014 7:33pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

It is simply a petition *some* people will want to know about.

Some posters do want to know more about it, namely what is this term "health products" you mention in the petition, people have asked repeatedly but got no answer.

Zaph · 23-06-2014 7:40pm

Regardless of what is and isn't a health food, we don't allow Boards to be used to harvest signatures for petitions so I've removed the link.

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 8:09pm

rubadub wrote: »

Some posters do want to know more about it, namely what is this term "health products" you mention in the petition, people have asked repeatedly but got no answer.

..Asked in an argumentative manner, most of them announced they would nt be signing because ..and then went on to convolute the issue. The choice is yours and if the information provided isn't enough, rather than sit there and repeatedly demand more information, go and get it yourself if genuinely interested.

It is a matter of making people aware, no pressure was put on anyone to sign in.

@Moderator, I did not realise that at the time. I understand.

Alf Veedersane · 23-06-2014 8:45pm

If you want people to sign a petition, it's usually a given that the issue is defined rather than link a petition and tell people to go do some research oN it.

That's not being argumentative or antagonistic, it's just standard procedure.

FullblownRose · 23-06-2014 9:44pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you want people to sign a petition, it's usually a given that the issue is defined rather than link a petition and tell people to go do some research oN it.

That's not being argumentative or antagonistic, it's just standard procedure.

The initial comments were most certainly that.

A simple polite request for a bit more information is something I'd have been happy to oblige, of course. The petition is now gone, and you could have signed a hundred of them in the time you have spent making pointless comments about it.

23-06-2014 9:50pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

The initial comments were most certainly that.

A simple polite request for a bit more information is something I'd have been happy to oblige, of course..

No you weren't

Alf Veedersane · 23-06-2014 10:00pm

FullblownRose wrote: »

The initial comments were most certainly that.

A simple polite request for a bit more information is something I'd have been happy to oblige, of course. The petition is now gone, and you could have signed a hundred of them in the time you have spent making pointless comments about it.

Yours was the first comment that was antagonistic when you started on about class A drugs after misunderstanding a poster's comments.

If I'm to sign a petition, I'd like to know the argument in favour of signing it.

If you don't want to explain the reason you're posting a link to a petition, then why bother?

I'm not trying to have a go at you but I do think you could maybe explain what it means by health foods if you believe in the rationale for the petition.

Montgolfier · 23-06-2014 10:08pm

Darragh O'Briain said in regards to herbal medicine " they took all the herbs that worked and called them drugs and what ever was left was called herbal medicine"
Thought it was apt.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 8:08am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yours was the first comment that was antagonistic when you started on about class A drugs after misunderstanding a poster's comments.

In responding to a poster who blatantly does not have a lot of store in health food, and another who called for a tax on it, you claim I misunderstood them and should have wasted my time explaining the matter to them when they clearly have their minds made up? really?

If I'm to sign a petition, I'd like to know the argument in favour of signing it.

If you don't want to explain the reason you're posting a link to a petition, then why bother?

I'm not trying to have a go at you but I do think you could maybe explain what it means by health foods if you believe in the rationale for the petition.

I agree the petition wording could have been more explicit but it didn't take a lot of efort to understand it all the same. It mentions teas, ok.
Herbal teas are one way of taking herbal medicine - tea because infusion works best with some herbs and a lot of people find the most palatable and easy to take in tea form, so logically without even needing to open google, it must have been clear that it is already a tax on herbal medicine? It says very clearly on the petition page that it will affect many people with common conditions like arthritis..? that's fairly clear i think. Not difficult. By all means do a Boards.ie anonymous troll on it and drag the issue off on a tangent by stating the obvious until the OP has to use the Ignore button.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 8:10am

Montgolfier wrote: »

Darragh O'Briain said in regards to herbal medicine " they took all the herbs that worked and called them drugs and what ever was left was called herbal medicine"
Thought it was apt.

A good joke but not true, hopefully you do not take darragh o briains jokes entirely literally

Alf Veedersane · 24-06-2014 8:20am

FullblownRose wrote: »

I agree the petition wording could have been more explicit but it didn't take a lot of efort to understand it all the same. It mentions teas, ok.
Herbal teas are one way of taking herbal medicine - tea because infusion works best with some herbs and a lot of people find the most palatable and easy to take in tea form, so logically without even needing to open google, it must have been clear that it is already a tax on herbal medicine? It says very clearly on the petition page that it will affect many people with common conditions like arthritis..? that's fairly clear i think. Not difficult. By all means do a Boards.ie anonymous troll on it and drag the issue off on a tangent by stating the obvious until the OP has to use the Ignore button.

If it's limited to teas/herbal infusions then your following quote is misleading:

extra VAT would be a huge deterrent to many people who want to purchase health foods and herbal treatments to improve their own health and prevent illness

'Teas' / herbal infusions are now akin to 'health foods'?

And I'm the troll?

Let me tell you where I am...

I'm out.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 8:29am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If it's limited to teas/herbal infusions then your following quote is misleading:

'Teas' / herbal infusions are now akin to 'health foods'?

And I'm the troll?

(I wasn't actually referring to you, I was just responding to you)

Let me tell you where I am...

I'm out.

You have quite a knack for misunderstanding, yourself. That was an example of a bit of information that WAS given on the petition link.

Information that would cause concern for anyone who takes teas, I am not one of them, usually. When I first read it though I decided that eople who use them to hel with the conditions the petition makers mentioned would want to know that there will be a tax iposed on them.

They are the people who will have quietly signed it or sought more official info and then signed it, and carried on with life instead of mewling to be spoon fed information and making uneccessary remarks.

I do not know what ''I'm out means'' but I hope it's somewhere pleasant. Have a marv'llous day.

Alf Veedersane · 24-06-2014 8:34am

I will.

I'm off to get some health foods Class A drugs.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 8:40am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I will.

I'm off to get some health foods Class A drugs.

Good man. Or woman.

Snake · 24-06-2014 8:43am

FullblownRose wrote: »

I agree the petition wording could have been more explicit but it didn't take a lot of efort to understand it all the same. It mentions teas, ok.
Herbal teas are one way of taking herbal medicine - tea because infusion works best with some herbs and a lot of people find the most palatable and easy to take in tea form, so logically without even needing to open google, it must have been clear that it is already a tax on herbal medicine? It says very clearly on the petition page that it will affect many people with common conditions like arthritis..? that's fairly clear i think. Not difficult. By all means do a Boards.ie anonymous troll on it and drag the issue off on a tangent by stating the obvious until the OP has to use the Ignore button.

If I'm sick I'm not going to reach for my box of bewleys I'm going to reach for my box of Panadol, because I'm rational person who knows undoubtly medicine will fix me, tea will make me urinate.

Arthur Beesley · 24-06-2014 8:45am

FullblownRose wrote: »

Hi all,

I think this extra VAT would be a huge deterrent to many people who want to purchase health foods and herbal treatments to improve their own health and prevent illness,

if you agree and would like to help to stop this from hapening please consider signing the petition :

<snip>

What extra VAT?

24-06-2014 8:57am

Tea isn't a food

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 9:00am

GrayFox208 wrote: »

If I'm sick I'm not going to reach for my box of bewleys I'm going to reach for my box of Panadol, because I'm rational person who knows undoubtly medicine will fix me, tea will make me urinate.

That's your prerorgative

I know rationally what works for me, and it's not important whether that's panadol, or a tea or something else. panadol is also probably cheaper unless you harvest and dry your own herbal alternative (meadowseet or willow bark or something) rather than paying for it pre packaged. The herbs are someties taken in tea form but it is for a different reason (usually) to why people drink Bewley's.

The thing is, if you don't want to buy a tea or other item that isn't classed as a pharmaceutical medicine, fair enough, but many do and rationally they know it works for them or they wouldnt keep buying and using it. they do their own research and know what works and why and how it works.

If I took a panadol and someone spouted about how they dont reach for panadol because x,y,z, instead they do it another way, I would find them annoying, so would most people, so why be just as bad when someone choses an alternative method of pain management like a herbal tea or something?

If you don't care whether there's v.a.t added to health foods and teas then just don't sign it

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 9:01am

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

What extra VAT?

Apparently 23% VAT is to be added to the price of 'Health Foods'.

24-06-2014 9:26am

FullblownRose wrote: »

Apparently 23% VAT is to be added to the price of 'Health Foods'.

That's incorrect. You have apparently been mislead by a petition that is (mistakenly or deliberately) poorly worded.

Revenue are now going to enforce (not introduce) 23% VAT on "herbal infusions". This does not apply to tea, which comes from the tea plant. This is already a law, retailers had just attempted to get around it by mislabelling "herbal infusions" as tea

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 9:34am

28064212 wrote: »

That's incorrect. You have apparently been mislead by a petition that is (mistakenly or deliberately) poorly worded.

Revenue are now going to enforce (not introduce) 23% VAT on "herbal infusions". This does not apply to tea, which comes from the tea plant. This is already a law, retailers had just attempted to get around it by mislabelling "herbal infusions" as tea

So it is an existing tax solely on pre ackaged herbs for infusing in hot water?

I would not agree with it being enforced, so. And anyone who buys herbs for infusing in hot water at home probably wouldn't, either.

semantics.

Another pertinent aspect to consider is that health food shop owners livelihoods will be affected when people cant afford to buy these ''luxury teas'' as some people seem to see it. The health food shops I know of employ as many people as the local takeaway food restaurants and some of them employ more.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 9:36am

28064212 wrote: »

That's incorrect. You have apparently been mislead by a petition that is (mistakenly or deliberately) poorly worded.

Revenue are now going to enforce (not introduce) 23% VAT on "herbal infusions". This does not apply to tea, which comes from the tea plant. This is already a law, retailers had just attempted to get around it by mislabelling "herbal infusions" as tea

They've been known as teas for a long time, so i doubt if it is a sneaky ploy by retailers tbh. even if it is that is not the main issue imo.

24-06-2014 9:45am

FullblownRose wrote: »

So it is an existing tax solely on pre ackaged herbs for infusing in hot water?

I would not agree with it being enforced, so. And anyone who buys herbs for infusing in hot water at home probably wouldn't, either.

That may or may not be true, but it most definitely does not mean "that any money spent on maintaining or improving your health will be taxed at 23%". That's what the petition claims, and it is utter and complete nonsense.

FullblownRose wrote: »

semantics.

It is not semantics, it is the entire core of the discussion.

FullblownRose wrote: »

Another pertinent aspect to consider is that health food shop owners livelihoods will be affected when people cant afford to buy these ''luxury teas'' as some people seem to see it. The health food shops I know of employ as many people as the local takeaway food restaurants and some of them employ more.

My local hardware store employs more than both of them. Should we remove VAT from hammers? That's a terrible reason to claim VAT shouldn't be charged

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 9:57am

28064212 wrote: »

That may or may not be true, but it most definitely does not mean "that any money spent on maintaining or improving your health will be taxed at 23%". That's what the petition claims, and it is utter and complete nonsense.

No, it's not. It was already clear that that refers to non prescription, herbal types of health related spending, so it's only nonsense if you are selective about what you read.

It is not semantics, it is the entire core of the discussion.

Whether the infusions are a tea or not a tea for tax purposes..hmm, no it's not, and it is a post to highlight the new tax/ newly enforcable tax, for thse who need to be aware. There is nothing that needs to be discussed, you might feel like discussing it but you're either antipathetic towards the tax or you ambivalent about it or a some posters have helpfully revealed, delighted about it.

So, it's simple, sign, don't sign.

My local hardware store employs more than both of them. Should we remove VAT from hammers? That's a terrible reason to claim VAT shouldn't be charged

Your hardware store is probably well placed to absorb the cost or loss of custom from these things. If it's a small local business like my examples then I hope it is.

FullblownRose · 24-06-2014 10:01am

The petition has been removed as petitions aren't permitted on this site apparently (which is fair enough)

and (Again!) this was not meant to be a pro/anti alternative medicine/health foods discussion.

I'm unfollowing the thread now and hopefully it has highlighted the tax issue so people to whom it is relevant can look into it if they need to.

24-06-2014 10:03am

FullblownRose wrote: »

No, it's not. It was already clear that that refers to non prescription, herbal types of health related spending, so it's only nonsense if you are selective about what you read.

Really? Directly lifted from the petition:

Irish Revenue are slowly but surely rolling forward with a policy which will mean that any money spent on maintaining or improving your health will be taxed at 23%

We strongly object to the proposed introduction of VAT at 23% on health products and Herbal Teas. A VAT on food supplements is effectively a TAX ON HEALTH.

You really think that has the same meaning as "we will no longer allow non-teas to claim the VAT exemption that teas have"?

rubadub · 24-06-2014 10:08am

FullblownRose wrote: »

if the information provided isn't enough, rather than sit there and repeatedly demand more information, go and get it yourself if genuinely interested.

I am genuinely interested and have searched numerous times for definitions of health foods, junk food, fast food.

I take it you simply can't find a good one yourself, which is not surprising, neither could I -and this is why I was saying it stops people dead in their tracks. If you cannot come up with a legal definition I don't know how people expect it to be made into a law.

tea drinks are 9% by the way
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04309.jsp

Tea Drink - Hot (Food And Drink For Human Consumption)

Rate:
9%

Click on this link for the current and historic VAT rates.
Remarks:
However, tea leaves, tea bags whose ingredients/contents are derived from tea plants are liable at the zero rate. Tea supplied with a meal is also liable at the second reduced rate. However, soft drinks with a tea flavour are liable at the standard rate.

Petition against VAT on health foods

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