Throwers and throws coaching

longjump67 · 26-04-2012 5:30pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

Nice one. I fondly remember my daughter representing Hampshire at U13 level and getting third with a PB 25.00m

She would be U-13 in the UK as she was born Dec 1999, but U-14 here in Ireland so always competeing against girls a little older.

Her pb's now are
26.88m 400g Javelin
22.34m 2.5kg Hammer
10.98m 2kg Shot
18.45m .75 Discus (one comp from last year, still to compete this year)

all in all not bad for a 12 year old.

RoyMcC · 26-04-2012 6:03pm

Yes I'd be pleased if I had a thrower of that age with those distances. Hammer as well, which is still largely ignored by young ladies. The 2kg shot in Ireland is an incentive to young throwrs as well - 2.72kg is our lightest weight.

Look forward to seeing her progression this summer.

longjump67 · 29-04-2012 2:25pm

Finn Valleys Dempsey Mc Guigan breaks the 70m mark for the first time and in doing so break his own Irish Junior record, 70.02m a Q mark for the World Junior Champs in Barcalona.

a_non_a_mouse · 03-05-2012 8:09pm

Thoughts on recent changed to the weights in shot, hammer for girls (javelin as well I think) ?
U16 u17 u18 will now throw 3k shot And hammer.
Previously u18 had 4k and u16/17 had 3.25k

What ever the merit, it seems stange that it's applied immediately.
People now have to get equipment so athletes can prepare with the new weights.

I think it's strange, at club level athletes were already throwing lighter than England etc for most ages. U17 in England throw 4k. Unless they have also announced a change? RoyMc ?
In schools u17 throw 4k but u18 in clubs will now throw 3k.

a_non_a_mouse · 03-05-2012 8:13pm

Oh and short wire hammer is gone also so longjumps67 you need to get your daughter training with the long wire asap.

Ball throw is gone from next year to be replaced with turbo javs.

RoyMcC · 03-05-2012 9:28pm

Strange. No change in UK.

I was coaching shot earlier this evening. Our club has a shed full of senior men's 7.26kg shots - hardly ever used. For the young girls though there's always a hunt to find the couple of 2.72kg and 3.25kg shots :mad: Great coaching weather though

longjump67 · 03-05-2012 11:46pm

a_non_a_mouse wrote: »

Oh and short wire hammer is gone also so longjumps67 you need to get your daughter training with the long wire asap.

Ball throw is gone from next year to be replaced with turbo javs.

Yeah knew about the short wire being done away with, the ball throw going to be replaced by turbo javelin is a bit of a shock.

I'm I right in thinking that is those foam javelins they sometimes use in sportshall? Can't see why the would use them as you have to throw them like a dart to get them to go any distance.

RoyMcC · 04-05-2012 6:56am

longjump67 wrote: »

I'm I right in thinking that is those foam javelins they sometimes use in sportshall? Can't see why the would use them as you have to throw them like a dart to get them to go any distance.

No, they're a more solid plastic with a bit of weight. Excellent for the U11s.

meathcountysec · 04-05-2012 9:49am

RoyMcC wrote: »

No, they're a more solid plastic with a bit of weight. Excellent for the U11s.

To be honest I don’t think it’s a positive step. The ball throw was never supposed to be a training ground for budding javelin throwers. It was a fun and accessible event that most kids, no matter what their athletic ability could have a lash at. Now, from under 9 up they have to start thinking (and be coached in) the javelin technique. The ball throw was more typically thrown with a “baseball” technique.

Going beyond that, how will a standard for the turbo javelin be set? For all other throwing events there are standards set by the IAAF, as regards weights, lengths, centre of gravity, circumference. The ball throw was done with a sliothair, the standard for which is set by the GAA. Turbo javelins are made by several manufacturers, who make them to their own individual spec. It might be possible to agree on a particular make/model but there is no guarantee that the model design won’t change and then you have multiple versions in use. You can’t compare championship bests from one season to another if the specs are different.

Re the short-wire hammer, again it was being used at the entry-age categories, and was an aid to coaching as much as anything else. The longer implement will cause problems for the more vertically challenged kids who haven’t started their growth spurt at that age (some will still be 12 when throwing them), grounding on the throwing circle during their rotations. From the point of view of officiating, they will be whizzing out in all directions, and over further distances. Good luck with that.

RoyMcC · 04-05-2012 10:12am

Beg to disagree Mr Secretary. Of course you're correct in saying that ball-throwing is accessible to all. But assuming you wish to improve the throw then you need to start introducing the basic principles of throwing. The top baseball pitchers and the modern cricket outfielders would be excellent models.

I don't believe the little ones should be throwing a ball just to 'have a go' - they surely wish to adjust to throw further.

Re the turbo I don't think IAAF standards extend below U13 do they? But yes, if they are to be used in competition then the spec needs to be agreed.

Never come across the short wire hammer which is, I imagine, excellent for beginners.

a_non_a_mouse · 04-05-2012 10:58am

thinking re: turbo jav's was the ball throw didn't lead to good javelin technique and maybe this will help.
One down side I see....with the ball throw any kid could pick up a few cheap sliotars and practice outside club times anywhere they could find space.
going to be a lot more expensive if someone wants to practice with a turbo jav.
also, I believe there will be different weights for different ages, so makes it more expensive if clubs want to purchase a few for each age group.

I guess the proof will be in 10/15 years time if we get javelin throwers to major competitions....altho, I guess it would be progress if we have more females in the 30m+ and more males in the 50m+

RoyMcC · 04-05-2012 11:20am

a_non_a_mouse wrote: »

with the ball throw any kid could pick up a few cheap sliotars and practice outside club times anywhere they could find space.

They can still do that but won't improve. You can hit 500 golf balls at a target and, whilst you might achieve consistency, you won't improve. You'll just reinforce bad habits.

If you can change things e.g. through good coaching, that's when performance improves.

a_non_a_mouse · 04-05-2012 11:42am

point taken....
I was assuming good technique already learnt :-)

meathcountysec · 04-05-2012 12:23pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

Beg to disagree Mr Secretary.

Easy Tiger. Last time I was addressed as Mr. Secretary I was in big trouble. I am more commonly referred to as “Here You!” or “Listen Stupid!”

RoyMcC wrote: »

Of course you're correct in saying that ball-throwing is accessible to all. But assuming you wish to improve the throw then you need to start introducing the basic principles of throwing. The top baseball pitchers and the modern cricket outfielders would be excellent models.

Yes, but the range of techniques for throwing a ball and for throwing a javelin-shaped object are different. You can use a multiplicity of techniques and achieve a decent distance with a ball. Not so with a javelin. U9 to U11 is too early to be focusing on a single technique. By all means strive to improve the techniques that kids use but that is too early an age to be “imposing” a technique. I have seen many athletes develop injuries/strains/whatever from bad implementation of the correct javelin technique. Those age groups should be about taking part, if they excel great.

RoyMcC wrote: »

I don't believe the little ones should be throwing a ball just to 'have a go' - they surely wish to adjust to throw further.

I agree, but the pathway into the event should be easy to grasp and intuitive to do. They should be able to “have a go” from the outset, not have to develop a “technique” before they can receive the positive feedback that a good performance will give them. There isn’t even a logical progression. U12’s don’t do javelin!!

RoyMcC · 04-05-2012 1:00pm

Good points. Whilst I can't totally agree it's good to see the flame of throwing being kept alive. If you can't enthuse an athlete at a young age it's unlikely you will in future years.

On injuries though you surprise me. I see very little incidence of injury amongst young throwers. Granted, the stresses increase as the athlete progresses - javelin in particular is hard on the body.

No javelin for U12? I didn't realise that when I coached at Irishtown

Our U13s (we have two-year bands here of course) do all the throws.

meathcountysec · 04-05-2012 1:17pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

On injuries though you surprise me. I see very little incidence of injury amongst young throwers. Granted, the stresses increase as the athlete progresses - javelin in particular is hard on the body.

Obviously you are too good a coach for deficiencies in technique to develop

However, its one of the things I harp on about (ask any of the kids I coach for javelin :rolleyes:).

If the javelin technique becomes the default then it will be a problem. However the result will be less doing the event rather than a swathe of bandaged throwers lining up.

My main point is that U9 (7 & 8 years olds) to U11 (9 & 10 years old) are far too young to be introducing a "technical" event to.

longjump67 · 04-05-2012 1:41pm

Re: short wire hammer V long wire, I take it there will be an increase in distances thrown for long wire or I'm I wrong? What is the lenght of the short wire and long wire?

meathcountysec · 04-05-2012 1:46pm

longjump67 wrote: »

Re: short wire hammer V long wire, I take it there will be an increase in distances thrown for long wire or I'm I wrong?

The laws of physics apply. Longer wire = longer lever = more force = longer distance

longjump67 wrote: »

What is the length of the short wire and long wire?

What’s with the hard questions? You do know its Friday?

longjump67 · 04-05-2012 1:53pm

meathcountysec wrote: »

The laws of physics apply. Longer wire = longer lever = more force = longer distance

What’s with the hard questions? You do know its Friday?

Sorry new to Hammer throwing although I'm going on an introduction on hammer tomorrow so maybe I'll ask my hard questions there, lol.

As you say some athletes will be 12 (my own daughter won't be 13 till mid December) and will have difficulty in rotations with striking the ground. Mind she hasn't learned how to do the turns yet, hoping I get enough knowledge tomorrow to start introducing turns into her training.

meathcountysec · 04-05-2012 2:00pm

longjump67 wrote: »

Sorry new to Hammer throwing although I'm going on an introduction on hammer tomorrow so maybe I'll ask my hard questions there, lol.

As you say some athletes will be 12 (my own daughter won't be 13 till mid December) and will have difficulty in rotations with striking the ground. Mind she hasn't learned how to do the turns yet, hoping I get enough knowledge tomorrow to start introducing turns into her training.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. When I was doing my Level 2 the hammer tutor told me I was a "natural" at the event, all be it with a 3Kg implement.

Went back to the club's hammer cage, replete with 7.26Kg hammer. Nearly pulled meself out of my socks:D:D

Never again :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

RoyMcC · 04-05-2012 3:12pm

I can't do more than a single turn for the life of me. I guess I could if I wanted to work at it, do the foot drills etc.

But I've got a reasonably new 13-year old who, last night, was doing four heel/toe turns and getting the hammer out into the field. A bit ropey but still impressive for a young lad.

LJ, it will be interesting what you pick up tomorrow. I attended a Paddy McGrath session a couple of years back in Santry aimed at older throwers and he was excellent.

longjump67 · 04-05-2012 3:25pm

Will keep you posted on what happens tomorrow

longjump67 · 05-05-2012 10:17pm

Well learn a lot today about hammer throwing. Excellent workshop delivered by Gareth Moffett from Ballymena & Antrim. 10 athletes and 4 coaches attended.

meathcountysec · 05-05-2012 10:49pm

longjump67 wrote: »

Well learn a lot today about hammer throwing. Excellent workshop delivered by Gareth Moffett from Ballymena & Antrim. 10 athletes and 4 coaches attended.

A word to the wise.

Tighten your shoelaces before attempting anything you saw demonstrated today:D

longjump67 · 06-05-2012 8:06am

meathcountysec wrote: »

A word to the wise.

Tighten your shoelaces before attempting anything you saw demonstrated today:D

Oh took full part in the session, can't coach kids how to throw unless you can demonstrate it to a reasonable level IMO. Feeling a bit sore now mind and found muscles I didn't know I had, lol. Even managed 2 turns but was quite dizzy, how the top guys do 4 much faster turns is beyond me.

longjump67 · 06-05-2012 6:17pm

2nd Javelin comp today for my daughter and it didn't go to well she still won the comp but only 22m odd

but later in the day had a massive pb (by almost 8m) in the discus (0.75kg) with an impressive 26.15m

longjump67 · 15-05-2012 2:17pm

Below is a request that i sent to AAI office about changes made at congress. Below that is the reply, I'm confused.

Q. Can anyone put up the changes in events made a congress last week, Heard that the shortwire hammer is being done away with for U-14 B & G and U-15 G. What is the min and max length of the long hammer for example, this would be essential for all athletes wishing to compete at these events also for their coaches.

A. I have looked into your request here in the office. The minutes from congress will be going up on the website shortly. I will send you a message as soon as they are up. Anything that has been passed at congress in regard to competition will not come into effect until next season.

So does this mean that the shortwire is still in effect?

a_non_a_mouse · 15-05-2012 2:25pm

longjump67 wrote: »

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So does this mean that the shortwire is still in effect?

I hope so....but I was told by someone who was at Congress that those changes were effective immediately. Same with change in weights.

Its absolutely crazy that this info has not appeared on the AAI site yet.

longjump67 · 15-05-2012 2:29pm

Well I have had my daughter training (only 2 or 3 times so far) with the long wire as we do not have any shortwire.

It leaves us now that with 4 weeks to provincals we still don't know that length of hammer will be used.

I take it that the shortwire is easier to throw, is it?

a_non_a_mouse · 15-05-2012 2:34pm

Short wire should be easier if your a bit on the small side (and in fairness more u14 girls will be)
Long wire should mean (all other things being equal) that it would go further.

I've sent an email just now to AAI also asking for clarification...I'll post any reply here.

Bruce7 · 15-05-2012 5:33pm

Fairly sure I know who'll win this, but it's good to see the throws being promoted a bit anyway.

May 2012

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longjump67 · 16-05-2012 4:10pm

a_non_a_mouse wrote: »

Short wire should be easier if your a bit on the small side (and in fairness more u14 girls will be)
Long wire should mean (all other things being equal) that it would go further.

I've sent an email just now to AAI also asking for clarification...I'll post any reply here.

Downloaded entry forms for Ulster & N.Ireland Championships and was horrified to see the weights for Shot and Hammer for 1999 girls (U-14).
They have a 2.72kg shot and more alarmingly a 3.25Kg Hammer (Long wire), the Javelin and Discus are in line with AAI.

I sent an email to the NI office pointing out the differences in the weights compared to AAI and also pointed out that the U-16 & U-17 girls are down to throw a 3Kg hammer so why did they think that U-14's should throw 3.25Kg it doesn't make sense.

Got a reply saying that they would pass on info to the Officials and an answer should be forthcoming in the next day or 2.

RoyMcC · 16-05-2012 4:42pm

The Shot & Hammer are the UK weights then. I presume NI follow the UK Athletics rulebook. But that would also assume two-year age groups (U13, U15 etc)

Does the 'Ulster & NI Champs' comprise the nine counties? No wonder there is confusion

For what it's worth I think it's high time AAI went to two-year age groups, for all sorts of reasons.

longjump67 · 16-05-2012 7:24pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

The Shot & Hammer are the UK weights then. I presume NI follow the UK Athletics rulebook. But that would also assume two-year age groups (U13, U15 etc)

Does the 'Ulster & NI Champs' comprise the nine counties? No wonder there is confusion

For what it's worth I think it's high time AAI went to two-year age groups, for all sorts of reasons.

No AthleticsNI and the Ulster council joined together a few years back and agreed to run 1 championship under AAI rules and weights. It does comprise of the whole 9 counties, looks like an oversight on someone in the office's part as there are regular meetings between the two organisations.
Every age-group from U-12 to U-19 is catered for.
Understand your point RE two-year age-group and do see some merits in this, however with Scottish Atletics adopting the two-year age group but for U-14, U-16 etc... this makes it even more complicated as regards picking under-age teams for internationals.
Surely it is high time the countries throughout the British Isles where standardised.

a_non_a_mouse · 25-05-2012 11:51am

I've sent an email just now to AAI also asking for clarification...I'll post any reply here.

Never got a reply from AAI, but it does appear that the weight changes (reliable source) are being implemented this year despite some timetable/entry forms for some regions still listing the "old" weights.

Anyone get anything offical from AAI ?

LongJump67, did you get clarification from AthleticsNI ?

longjump67 · 25-05-2012 12:47pm

a_non_a_mouse wrote: »

Never got a reply from AAI, but it does appear that the weight changes (reliable source) are being implemented this year despite some timetable/entry forms for some regions still listing the "old" weights.

Anyone get anything offical from AAI ?

LongJump67, did you get clarification from AthleticsNI ?

Was talking to the Ulster sec last week at the AAI games and made him aware of the weights that athleticsNI had set out on their entry forms and he was to have a meeting last Monday night to clarify which weights were being used, but as yet I have not heard anything "official".

longjump67 · 31-05-2012 8:46am

My daughter threw a new pb in the 2kg shot finally breaking the 11m barrier 11.03m. Heading up to Antrim this evening for a meet under UK rules so a 2.72kg shot and a Discus comp.

a_non_a_mouse · 31-05-2012 10:58am

the AAI preview of the All-Ireland Schools at the weekend almost totally ignored the throws, so some of ones missed!....

Inter Boys Hammer.....could be a good comp with at least one guy throwing serious distances...60m+ is possible
Inter Girls Discus.....a couple of girls here capable of breaking 40m mark
Senior Girls Discus...2/3 girls here who should be in the high 30's or better, with another 4/5 at 34-37m, so plenty competition
Inter Boys Shot.....a couple of guys over 15m plus plenty competition at the 13m/14m mark
Junior Girls Shot....3/4 girls throwing really well, plenty competition here for all the medals

Best of luck to all the throwers heading to Tullamore on Sat.

longjump67 · 31-05-2012 11:27am

John Kelly threw over 16m in the Ulster schools districts inter boys.
his younger brother James who is still only 12 threw a massive 15.38m yesterday with the 2kg to win the Donegal primary schools.

longjump67 · 02-06-2012 4:21pm

a_non_a_mouse wrote: »

the AAI preview of the All-Ireland Schools at the weekend almost totally ignored the throws, so some of ones missed!....

Inter Boys Hammer.....could be a good comp with at least one guy throwing serious distances...60m+ is possible
Inter Girls Discus.....a couple of girls here capable of breaking 40m mark
Senior Girls Discus...2/3 girls here who should be in the high 30's or better, with another 4/5 at 34-37m, so plenty competition
Inter Boys Shot.....a couple of guys over 15m plus plenty competition at the 13m/14m mark
Junior Girls Shot....3/4 girls throwing really well, plenty competition here for all the medals

Best of luck to all the throwers heading to Tullamore on Sat.

John Kelly threw 16.58m to win the Inter boys Shot:D, Jagger 2nd 16.12m and Kingston 3rd with 14.08m.

longjump67 · 02-06-2012 4:23pm

longjump67 wrote: »

My daughter threw a new pb in the 2kg shot finally breaking the 11m barrier 11.03m. Heading up to Antrim this evening for a meet under UK rules so a 2.72kg shot and a Discus comp.

She threw a respectable 9.29m in the Shot (2.72kg) suspect she threw the 1kg Discus as she only threw 20.06m but won both events so worthwhile trip.

longjump67 · 18-06-2012 8:31am

Well we had the Ulster & NI champs at the weekend and my daughter came home with 3 Gold medals. Should be happy right.:D

Well I am but with the rule changes made to the hammer at congress some 5 weeks ago and personally emailing both the Ulster council and AthleticsNI about the changes(2.5kg long wire) you would think they would have had the right throwing implament for the competitors to throw with, did they hell. She ending up throwing a 3kg long wire hammer, she did however manage to throw it 24.50m but with very few hammer comps for her age it would have been nice to have thrown the proper weight.
She also won the Javelin 25.59m into a strong headwind and a modest 21+m Discus.

RoyMcC · 18-06-2012 6:14pm

Good work. In a way it's character-forming having to deal with unexpected situations - which she did.

Here we're very proud of Jersey girl Shadine Duquemin. She's throwing the disc 50m+ now and on Saturday won the English U23 championships at age 17 :eek: She's qualified for the World Juniors in Barcelona next month. Clare Fitzgerald has been throwing mid-40s and was third behind Shads on Saturday.

longjump67 · 18-06-2012 6:32pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

Good work. In a way it's character-forming having to deal with unexpected situations - which she did.

Indeed I am proud of the way she handled herself, but if you look at earlier post I made some 3 weeks ago I emailed athleicsNI to inform them of the rule changes so the situation should not have arisen.
One other point is that there were 2 athletes who have brought 2,5kg long-wire hammers, had them weighed and then the officials refused those athletes to use them.
When I approached the Field referee to point-out that the athletes in question had said they would allow the other athletes use of their Hammers I was told that "no-one would be using those Hammers as they were personal and becuase their Assocation could not supply the rest of the athletes with the Proper Hammer that all athletes would therefore throw the 3kg."
Didn't make to much of a fuss about it as I didn't want to upset the atheletes or the timetable but surely they could have allowed the athletes use the correct Hammer when it was made available to all the athletes.:(

ecoli · 23-06-2012 10:43pm

Throws to the fore at the Tailteann Games:

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?p=26053

a_non_a_mouse · 24-06-2012 9:46pm

Some decent throwing today at the Junior & u23s.

young John Kelly nearly won Gold in the Junior Shot being narrowly beaten into second by Paul Collins (14.98m to 14.85m)
James McCabe won the junior Hammer with 68.62 (could be a PB), McGuigan not far behind with 68.03
Womens Discus was won by Parkinson with 43.23m with Wilson and O'Sullivan also over 40m and top 7 all being over 35m. Good depth in junior women discus at the mo.

in the u23 hammer Furlong narrowly edged out Barry with both over 58m.

longjump67 · 24-06-2012 11:31pm

yeah pb for young Mc Cabe he looks very strong, Mc Guigan looks fast in the circle but timing a bit off I thought.
Young Kelly was leading the shot till the last round and a 47m+ Javelin, talented young man.

longjump67 · 04-07-2012 9:46pm

Last comp for my daughter before the All-Irelands next weekend and things are going well a new pb in the javelin 28.00m

In training she is throwing around 27 -28m with a 3kg Hammer (we have nothing lighter) and the Discus is the only ropey event at the moment as one night its 24 - 25m the next it could be 20 - 21m.
Overall she has improved steadily all year and think we have peaked nicely for the nationals, fingers -crossed.

javthrow · 06-07-2012 4:39pm

RoyMcC wrote: »

Time that Anita Fitzgibbon was knocked off her perch

Thanks for the support, great to see people supporting you out there when all they want to do is knock you down and off her ' perch' when your trying to do well.. i'm sure when your daughter gets to my standard if she is still at it, you wouldnt be saying the same thing.... oh i really do wish you come and introduce yourself to me at the track in santry natinal championships... Mr Donegal...:eek: rememeber i have represented and performed well at internatinals meets... good to hear you say that... i think you have to much to say really about things you quite dont simply understand...That Anita Fitzgibbon is a very successful business women and athlete... ass

ecoli · 06-07-2012 4:58pm

javthrow wrote: »

Thanks for the support, great to see people supporting you out there when all they want to do is knock you down and off her ' perch' when your trying to do well.. i'm sure when your daughter gets to my standard if she is still at it, you wouldnt be saying the same thing.... oh i really do wish you come and introduce yourself to me at the track in santry natinal championships... Mr Donegal...:eek: rememeber i have represented and performed well at internatinals meets... good to hear you say that... i think you have to much to say really about things you quite dont simply understand...That Anita Fitzgibbon is a very successful business women and athlete... ass

I think you are completely misreading the context which that quote was posted. It was more a case of encouraging improving standards in the chasing pack rather than begrudging Anita. The reason the name was used was due to the fact that you have topped the Irish rankings for the last four years.

If you look to other posts you see he actually holds you in high regard

RoyMcC wrote: »

Good point, but how things have changed in that respect. I think many people still have this image of the Soviet women throwers who probably built motorways for a living :eek: Take a look these days and there's far more of an emphasis on all-round athleticism and speed. You won't find a better example than Anita White in that respect.

Its a case of to be the best you have to beat the best hence why the name of our top female javelin thrower was used. Similarly to people who want to be faster than Usain Bolt its nothing to do with the man himself but rather that is the level the bar is at to attain number 1 status

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