"Thug who attacked dying Pole was on bail" (75 previous convictions)

The joke of concurrent sentencing is seen here: He was sentenced to 13.5 years, but in reality only got a handful with a great part of it suspended.

Frankly, we don't need big prison buildings. We need to create camps in clearings, with two fences and a guard tower. In an overcorwded prison in the US I recall seeing a situation where they had excess prisoners in tents.

When asked if they got too hot or too cold in the summer and winter, the warden replied, "These are the same tents used by our troops in Afghanistan. If they're good enough for them, then they are good enough for these guys."

Too right.

Prison overcrowding should not be an issue. Hell, you have a captive workforce to build you new ones.

Maybe if you didnt incarcerate people for buying a quarter-bag of weed, you might have the space for Serial-Killers.

Perhaps/Perhaps Not Overheal but not in any way pertinent to this case which really does reach into our native "Heart of Darkness" in terms of what our society appears prepared to tolerate and even encourage.

This quoted account goes way beyond the boundaries of acceptable behaviour in any society being portrayed as modern,developed or refined,instead it portrays all too accurately what is the norm throughout this land in 2010.

I believe it should be stickied someplace and constantly reverted to in order to prevent us from Airbrushing the Execution of two innocent men from our collective memory ?

One witness described a scuffle between Pawel and a local teenage boy and how the girls attacked the Pole.
"The lad in the tracksuit, the two young girls and this older man, they were basically killing the bald chap (Pawel) on the ground," she said.
When the initial brawl was over, the two girls were left there with Pawel.
"One of the girls was carrying a bottle of vodka and the other had what appeared to be a bottle of wine."
As Pawel walked away, a witness said: "One of them gave him a clatter across the face, across the neck. He done nothing. He just crossed the road."
Another witness described the aftermath of this first serious attack. "I saw Pawel, and the two girls hitting him. I asked him if he is okay. He didn't say anything. He looked upset. I noticed a broken bottle of vodka on the footpath and Pawel had a big bump on his head."
Pawel had just minutes to live. Another witness then told of seeing Pawel (earlier) lying on the ground. "(He) picked himself up. He staggered towards the chipper."
Witness said the girls were screaming abuse at Pawel. The witness was so afraid at what he was seeing that he rang the gardai. "The bald guy was heading up the road and the girls were following him and still shouting abuse."
According to another witness, this abuse went on the lines of: "All Polish people are f****rs."
One of the girls then texted Curran four times to tell him of the affray. Ten minutes later, he arrived outside the house where the Poles lived. He drove a screwdriver into the heads of Mariusz Szwajkos and Pawel Kalite, killing both.
That night, he and one of the girls tried to concoct an alibi for them both. She later lied to gardai, denying that she and Curran had been in contact that evening.
In fact, there had been four phone calls and many texts. "Ha," chortled this comely maiden, "I just reading what it says on the news. Ha. **** xxxx." Later she texted: "Ha ha but like I can't believe it. . . Mad night xxxxx."
Later still, she texted: "Do you know what I was thinking, we could say that you and me was only in babysitting cos you and me are the only ones who don't have an alibi."
THIS foul young woman has got away with all her crimes: she participated in a violent attack on an immigrant, she was party to racist abuse and she attempted to pervert the course of justice. And like her similarly complicit girl-friend, she has walked free.

Frankly, we don't need big prison buildings. We need to create camps in clearings, with two fences and a guard tower. In an overcorwded prison in the US I recall seeing a situation where they had excess prisoners in tents.

Nijmegen,I think this may be the facility you`re referring to......

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Contact_Us&p=tentcity

Not to everybody`s taste for sure,but this Gent has one of the longest running careers in his chosen field ( ).

Just to let you know, 'convictions' doesn't mean 75 different events. 1 Burglary can involve several convictions. A conviction for 'breaking and entering', 'Burglary', 'destruction of property' etc.

Still though, its awful. People like that should never be free. I'd actually say the states negligence in relation to Justice and protecting its citizens means that they take some sizable blame for the death of those two poor lads IMO.

The only theory that makes sense to me in relation to the justice system, is that for some reason, they DON'T WANT to sort things out.

I will ALWAYS want a justice system with mercy as part of its core. However, if someone is convicted for a third time, even for what you'd class 'a small crime'. I'd come down so hard on them that they would NEVER take a bravado approach if a Garda is called. Give me a few corrupt Gardaí abusing their power over scum investations in all our towns and cities. We need the system to grow some balls, as it seems completely emasculated.

Thread title amended for accuracy.

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PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Do it South America style. Throw about 30 of em in 1 room and let em fend for themselves. Poisonous bastards

Irrespective of the crime? To hell with rehabilitation, eh?

Seems to be a fair bit of respect for the US justice system being bandied about. Let's just conveniently ignore the fact that the USA is one of the most violent societies in the world.

That was the other guy and that was lenient.
The girls got nothing, not even a charge iirc

Cookie_Monster,to be fair to Mr Skeleton (The hint is in his sig ) he is arguing the points from an informed legal position.

He represents,it would appear,a viewpoint held by many within the judicial administration,that those of us who express a sense of misgiving over verdicts such as the Kalite/Swjaikos executions (In my opinion these men were hunted down and executed in a manner which we need to ensure is never forgotten) are simply ill-informed or reactionary in their attitude.

I respect Mr Skeleton`s depth of legal knowledge and the advantage it provides him when attempting to rationalize the sentencing procedure.

He also,in common with many of those who inhabit the Politico/Legal zone,has little time for so called sensationalist reporting by the media,which he feels tends to incite the lower-orders into making wild accusations and recriminatory statements against the Judiciary and Courts Process.

This particular case was I felt reported upon in avery factual manner by the Media with little sensationalizing or non-factual reportage.

How,I wonder would it be possible to "sensationalize" the details of the last hour of those men`s lives ?

Those details,particularly the eye-witness accounts of the pursuit and the pathologists evidence are as chilling an account of pure evil as one will read anywhere.

Perhaps of even more awful significance,however,are the accounts of the general lifestyle of the youthful members of the pack which pursued these men.

Teenage thugs,already well-known to the Authorities,living a wild destructive existance,abusing whatever substances they could obtain and always at the ready to attack,injure or eliminate anything or anybody they regarded as different.

Even today as a passenger on the Luas Red Line if you glance up to the Canal Lock gates as you pass Blackhorse stop,I`ll wager you will see similar groupings...disadvantaged forgotten youths etc etc,yet with sufficent means available to do their daily "deals" for whatever substance is on offer and equal funding to possess gold soverign rings and a skip full of mobile communications technology....Obviously well disadvantaged.

Its all so black and white really...The executed Polish men,qualified and using their time and skills to the benefit of Irish society and their youthful executioners,with little time or inclination available for such exotic pursuits as work in between the highs and lows of their all too popular lifestyle.

He was acquitted of murder and manslaughter by the jury, so please be carefull about what you say.

However,as Mr Skeleton advises,in modern Ireland those who do feel uncomfortable at the direction our country is being pushed in are probably best being "careful" or simply saying nothing ?