Taxi stoppage 24hour

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 1:52pm

koolkid wrote: »

Interesting!!!
So could it be that he has availed of one of the licences that came available since deregulation?? And now once he's sorted he want's the door closed on everyone else.

just an after thought on that statement
and why would you say that because he is a nn that he got his licence post dereg .
did we not have any nns in ireland pre 2001

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 1:54pm

ntlbell wrote: »

we're still talking about spook_ie right?

yes the very same

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 1:55pm

lost marbles wrote: »

just an after thought on that statement
and why would you say that because he is a nn that he got his licence post dereg .
did we not have any nns in ireland pre 2001

Yes we did. But if you read my post again you will see I was asking a question not making a statement:p

The ?s is a bit of a giveaway really

faceman · 01-04-2009 2:12pm

koolkid wrote: »

The prices set are the maximum they are allowed charge. There is nothing stopping them competing on price. One dublin taxi company is doing so at the moment.
I would agree its not the goldmine it was years ago. But competition is part on any industry. My question is why should the Taxi industry get protected from this. I agree there should be a way of monitoring if licences are no longer in use. maybe there is I 'm not sure.

I agree about the competing on price bit.

The flip side of the regulation bit is that taxi driver and vehicle standards are at risk of sliding drastically as it becomes a lower paid industry.

Spook_ie · 01-04-2009 2:13pm

koolkid wrote: »

Then advertise on the raido, give out cards to customers with you number 10% discount next trip etc... If you want business drum it up, thats what other self employed people do.

That statment alone shows exactly why Taxi drivers will never get the support of the public. Who do you think you are that you should be allowed do business but others arn't...Your mentality here baffles me

Hang on a sec!!!!!
Isn't that the taxi drivers argument against part timers??
One one hand you argue that part time drivers are a health & safety issue because of working long hours & fatigue & tiredness is dangerous. but at the same time its ok for yous to work that lenght
Again you want everything your way

Please explain what is so uneven??
If you wanted to do a second job do you think anyone else would be out moaning??

And why do you think you have the right to determine the level of competition in a given industry??
In every other business companys or individual compete or go out of business. Again I ask why should taxis be any different...
Honestly though if you are out 90 hours a week and not getting a wage your doing something wrong. I have spoken to 4 friends yesterday who make €500- €600 part time. And no they are not drunk & they are not telling me lies. An hour in a taxi could be around €50, so for your 90 hours working your must be only actually working 20 or so.. Too much gossiping & reading the paper on the ranks I'd imagine.

PS I looked at that site. Its a discrace & its really not doing yis any favours.

Point 1 I'm a one man business, the cost of radio advertising is prohibitive, I can only be in one place,dealing with one customer at a time, thats why I refered to that kind of business has to be done on a small ( Local )geographical basis and would therefore preclude me from being able to take fares into the city centre ( some kind of taxi business that would be, yeah I'll take your fare but I can't go any distance because my other regular customers will get pissed off that I can't service them )

Point 2 You were asking why there isn't a cap on newsagents, I'm merely pointing out to you that you wouldn't get them opening up at 2 or 3 doors apart because the other newsagents would use any means they could to prevent competition, after all they are in business, why would they welcome competition, so there is a cap of sorts, don't try to twist arguments.

Point 3 The only reason I'm working those hours IS because the part time ( cherry picking ) drivers ( your mates in the pub :rolleyes: ) are working the lucrative hours and diluting the wage earning potential for full time taxi drivers, remove the part timers ( double jobbers ) and I wouldn't have to work the excessive hours, which increases mine and yours odds of not being in a tiredness related accident, but then I forget in your mind greed is good and they should be allowed to supplement their PAYE wages at my expense.

Point 4 Why would I want to do a 2nd job, my job is taxi driving, I don't want to become like your leechlike friends in the pub

Point 5 Nobodies asking to determine the level of competition in the industry, a lot of people are asking WHY? do we need/accept part timers, WHY? Do we seem to have more taxis in Dublin than are officaly recognised as being authorised to work there and WHY? Do we not have an efficent TRs office that efficiently enforces the taxi industry to remove the scammers

Point 6 Rather proves my point of if they need the taxi job to supplement their PAYE job, why not go the whole hog and do it full time, after all if they earn €500/€600 part time they could make €1500 full time, or is that they already get so much in their PAYE jobs that the taxi income pays for luxeries rather than essentials, or are they that afraid to relinquish the security of their SW entitlements?

Point 7 The site is as it is, I admin it to give drivers a voice to each other, I don't go overboard on censorship and if you read through it you'll find that most of the drivers on there are moderates with the oddball maniac, pretty much as in life

ntlbell · 01-04-2009 2:20pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 2 You were asking why there isn't a cap on newsagents, I'm merely pointing out to you that you wouldn't get them opening up at 2 or 3 doors apart because the other newsagents would use any means they could to prevent competition, after all they are in business, why would they welcome competition, so there is a cap of sorts, don't try to twist arguments.

The point is there is nothing to stop that business opening.

Where I live in Cabra, you have a shopping complex on the cabra rd.

in one line

3 butchers.

2 newsagents.

2 chemists.

3 take aways.

3 hair dressers

2 betting shops

2 bakery's

there was two florists now one as one went out of business

Spook_ie · 01-04-2009 2:50pm

merc330 wrote: »

Spook something I'm not getting here.

You come across as a decent chap on this forum, but then you host a forum IRISHTAXIDRIVERS.COM which is blantly racist with a level of bullying and intimidation which would shame even stormfront.

I dare anyone to spend 30 minutes browsing that site, its pretty damn disgusting. Your allowing your members to constantly mouth off about anyone from part timers (you have one member asking for your guys to rat these out by PM'ing him with plate numbers, names & addresses, vehicle type, their full time job discription etc) to chinese grandmothers and 'African scammers' and almost every other minority group in this country who might try tip their toes into the waters of the taxi industry.

Then your allowing other's to post up details of "SCABS" (a term thrown about regularly this week on your site) including at least one photo of a taxi out working during the protest, or would you prefer now to call it a "strike"?.

I really don't get you and your members.

Was this a 'strike' or a 'protest', tbh your site is nothing but a shower of bottom feeding pond life.

As I said, you come across here as a decent and honest driver so why do you risk associating yourself with the type of scum on your forum?.

You think that's bad, you should see what I have to put into the trash bin.

As for the guy looking to rat out on part timers I'd actualy encourage him to report Social Welfare fraudsters and people who are avoiding the payment of tax on a 2nd job or would you be condoning it?

As for associating with "bottom feeding pond life" isn't that what the majority of people on boards think of me, seeing as I am a taxi driver and isn't it better for me to be working away quietly on the inside trying to alter peoples misconceptions ( as I do on here ) rather than totaly ignoring them

merc330 · 01-04-2009 2:58pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

As for the guy looking to rat out on part timers I'd actualy encourage him to report Social Welfare fraudsters and people who are avoiding the payment of tax on a 2nd job or would you be condoning it?

But to get an SPSV licence don't these part timers need to produce a tax clearance cert to show they're tax complient?.

Spook_ie wrote: »

As for associating with "bottom feeding pond life" isn't that what the majority of people on boards think of me, seeing as I am a taxi driver and isn't it better for me to be working away quietly on the inside trying to alter peoples misconceptions ( as I do on here ) rather than totaly ignoring them

Actually I don't see any taxi driver as a bottom feeder just become they've chosen to drive a taxi, I judge people on their actions and words (in the case of an internet discussion forum). And as I've said earlier, those members of your forum who spout out racist abuse and use bullyboy tactics to frighten people out of work last Monday are the worse kind of driver out there.

So Monday, was it a protest or a strike?.

The guys driving on Monday, do you consider them "scabs"? or just people who weren't afraid to work in the face of thuggery and bullying but a minority of drivers?.

oisindoyle · 01-04-2009 3:02pm

merc330 wrote: »

But to get an SPSV licence don't these part timers need to produce a tax clearance cert to show they're tax complient?.

Actually I don't see any taxi driver as a bottom feeder just become they've chosen to drive a taxi, I judge people on their actions and words (in the case of an internet discussion forum). And as I've said earlier, those members of your forum who spout out racist abuse and use bullyboy tactics to frighten people out of work last Monday are the worse kind of driver out there.

So Monday, was it a protest or a strike?.

The guys driving on Monday, do you consider them "scabs"? or just people who weren't afraid to work in the face of thuggery and bullying but a minority of drivers?.

What evidence have you of thuggery and bullying ??

oisindoyle · 01-04-2009 3:03pm

koolkid wrote: »

Disput all you want, all I can say is I know they are. They are level headed people & have no reason to spoof.

WELL THEY ARE ,,NO ONE IS MAKING THAT KIND OF MONEY BE THEY FULL OR PART TIME .....

If the business is that bad then get out of it. As there is no cap on the number of licences (Thank God) they will be plenty who will take your place. I don't know why you arn't making money, as a self employed person it is up to you to figure out what you are doing wrong insted of blaming the government & everyone else. HONESTLY if it is so hard to make a living then you shouldn't have to worry about a cap on licences, people would not be getting into the industry if things were that bad.

I DIDNT BLAME ANYONE .iM DOING NOTHING WRONG THANKS VERY MUCH .I START WORK AT 630AM AND FINISH AT 6PM

You say you worked nearly 12 hours yesterday & got 3 fares?? I find that hard to believe. Where & what way are you working?
DISBELIEVE IT IF YOU WANT ,BUT I AM NOT ON HERE TO SPOOF UNLIKE YOUR FRIENDS....BUSINESS IS THAT BAD THATS A FACT.MAYBE OF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME WHY DONT YOU COME AND JOIN US GET A PLATE AND SEE HOW "EASY "IT IS.I OWRK DUBLIN AIRPORT AND THE ODD RANK IF I CAN GET ONTO A RANK THAT IS

Are you joining a rank with a big long Q??? I just left Blanchardstown centre & there was about 100 cars just sitting there.
THEY ARE SITTING THERE WAITNG ON A FARE ,,IT GOES TO SHOW HOW "GOOD " THE BUSINESS IS IF YOU SAW 100 TAXIS WAITING DOESNT IT ???
Seriousally??? Whats the point ? I ASK MYSELF THAT QUESTION EVERY DAY BELIEVE ME
Wait a hour & then complain when you get a local fare??REALLY ???

There are other industry's struggling to get business at the moment but you don't see them having half arsed protests for the government to put a cap on their competition. I am still waiting on an answer why taxi's should be singled out for special protection..
WELL IF YOU CALL A 24 HR STRIKE HALF ARSED GOOD FOR YOU . ITS NOT JUST FOR DRIVERS PROTECTION AS YOU SAY ITS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLICS PROTECTION AS WELL
I am still waiting on an answer as to why people doing 2 jobs are a danger from working long hours but taxi drivers ar'nt.
Look trough the different threads here honestly why do you think the taxi drivers are getting no support?
NO ONE IS ASKING FOR SUPPORT ,ALTHOUGH JUDGEING BY THE PUBLICS REACTION ON MONDAY MANY MANY GAVE US SUPPORT
You are all in denial... Someone makes a point deny it!
Someone is making money driving a taxi ,deny it
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE OIREACTAS COMMITTEE SAID ONLY LAST WEEK THAT DRIVERS ARE EARNING LESS THAT THE MINIMUM INDUSTRIAL WAGE ,,,,GO FIGURE
The level of service is much better from taxi's since deregulation, deny it.
OF COURSE THE LEVEL OF TAXIS HAVE INCREASED NO ONE EVER DENIED THAT

Any chance of some answers ? or just more denial!!

ok

murphaph · 01-04-2009 3:15pm

oisindoyle wrote: »

What evidence have you of thuggery and bullying ??

TV3 news showed a lad just about to boot the side of a VW Passat until he realised there was a TV camera behind him and he pulled back at the last second from damaging the man's car. I presume this wasn't isolated stuff. Thuggery.

ntlbell · 01-04-2009 3:15pm

oisindoyle wrote: »

What evidence have you of thuggery and bullying ??

there was one guy on the tv that was kicking out at a car for passing him

what do you call this?

murphaph · 01-04-2009 3:18pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

As for the guy looking to rat out on part timers I'd actualy encourage him to report Social Welfare fraudsters and people who are avoiding the payment of tax on a 2nd job or would you be condoning it?

Oh the irony. In the good old days when you couldn't get a taxi for love nor money on a cold feb morning the taximen were all earning £11,000 a year don't you know. They all used the same accountants. Go figure.

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 3:35pm

faceman wrote: »

The flip side of the regulation bit is that taxi driver and vehicle standards are at risk of sliding drastically as it becomes a lower paid industry.

Then the quality of service becomes an issue to compete on also..
If you call or hail a taxi & its dirty or smelling of smoke (Yes they do smoke in their taxis, some of them) tell him to go away & get another. There's plenty now thank god.
I had a funny one a few months ago. We came out of the pub & got ourobligatory bags of chips(to bring home not eat on the way). Hailed a taxi, he pulled over threw his smoke out the window & then said he couldn't take us because we were carrying a bag of chips:eek:
Guess he's not one of the ones struggeling to get 3 fares a day:rolleyes::rolleyes:

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 3:55pm

murphaph wrote: »

Oh the irony. In the good old days when you couldn't get a taxi for love nor money on a cold feb morning the taximen were all earning £11,000 a year don't you know. They all used the same accountants. Go figure.

could people please get over the then and now .
that was then this is now .

Spook_ie · 01-04-2009 3:57pm

ntlbell wrote: »

The point is there is nothing to stop that business opening.

Where I live in Cabra, you have a shopping complex on the cabra rd.

in one line

3 butchers.

2 newsagents.

2 chemists.

3 take aways.

3 hair dressers

2 betting shops

2 bakery's

there was two florists now one as one went out of business

Ok so go in there and try setting up as a butcher,newsagent or hairdresser and just see what sort of obstacles get put in your way and I do wish people wouldn't keep comparing a service industry to a retail business...

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 4:03pm

First off to oisindoyle my friends are not spoofers like I have said 3 times.
I cant post your quote because you edited my quote insted of quoting me & answering on your own. There seems to be no getting trough to you because like I said you are in denial. Are you saying there are no taxi drivers in Dublin earning a decent wage (And if they say they are the're all spoofers)
Its amazing why there is a need for a cap on licences. Jeezzz if things are that bad the number of licences would be falling not raising...

Spook_ie wrote: »

I can only be in one place,dealing with one customer at a time,

That sounds like your kept busy to me.

Spook_ie wrote: »

preclude me from being able to take fares into the city centre ( some kind of taxi business that would be, yeah I'll take your fare but I can't go any distance because my other regular customers will get pissed off that I can't service them )

What??? Are you living down the country?
I would imagine town is where the work is.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 2 You were asking why there isn't a cap on newsagents, I'm merely pointing out to you that you wouldn't get them opening up at 2 or 3 doors apart because the other newsagents would use any means they could to prevent competition, after all they are in business, why would they welcome competition, so there is a cap of sorts, don't try to twist arguments.

There are 3 newsagents in the shopping centre beside me.
What argument am I twisting ???
So should those newsagent owners go on strike & expect the government to prevent competition... Get real !!!

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 3 The only reason I'm working those hours IS because the part time ( cherry picking ) drivers ( your mates in the pub :rolleyes: ) are working the lucrative hours and diluting the wage earning potential for full time taxi drivers, remove the part timers ( double jobbers ) and I wouldn't have to work the excessive hours, which increases mine and yours odds of not being in a tiredness related accident, but then I forget in your mind greed is good and they should be allowed to supplement their PAYE wages at my expense.

Me Me Me ! Is that all you think about??
They are entitled to work what ever hours they want.
You are entitled to cherry pick & work what ever hours you want.
What stopping you working the lucrative hours and diluting their wage??

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 4 Why would I want to do a 2nd job, my job is taxi driving, I don't want to become like your leechlike friends in the pub

OMG!!! Get rid of that chip on your shoulder
Its not leechlike its called making a good living for yourself. You should try it insted of blaming everyone else & expecting the state to sort you out.
The good old days of yis holding the country to ransom & people having to wait hours for the privledge of giving you their business is gone.. Get over it & get out & earn a few quid for yourself

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 5 Nobodies asking to determine the level of competition in the industry,

So what would putting a cap on new licences do then???

Spook_ie wrote: »

a lot of people are asking WHY? do we need/accept part timers,

Ehh! because they paid for their licence the same as you did. They are entitled to work what ever hours they like..
So if all the part timers worked full time would you be happy then???

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 6 Rather proves my point of if they need the taxi job to supplement their PAYE job, why not go the whole hog and do it full time, after all if they earn €500/€600 part time they could make €1500 full time, or is that they already get so much in their PAYE jobs that the taxi income pays for luxeries rather than essentials, or are they that afraid to relinquish the security of their SW entitlements?

Where did this big chip on your shoulder about PAYE workers come from??
You really do have some issues.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Point 7 The site is as it is, I admin it to give drivers a voice to each other, I don't go overboard on censorship and if you read through it you'll find that most of the drivers on there are moderates with the oddball maniac, pretty much as in life

So you are refusing to condemn the racist remarks on it???

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 4:04pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Ok so go in there and try setting up as a butcher,newsagent or hairdresser and just see what sort of obstacles get put in your way and I do wish people wouldn't keep comparing a service industry to a retail business...

People open business next to others every day...
Name one example when there was a strike about it...

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 4:05pm

koolkid wrote: »

Then the quality of service becomes an issue to compete on also..
If you call or hail a taxi & its dirty or smelling of smoke (Yes they do smoke in their taxis, some of them) tell him to go away & get another. There's plenty now thank god.
I had a funny one a few months ago. We came out of the pub & got ourobligatory bags of chips(to bring home not eat on the way). Hailed a taxi, he pulled over threw his smoke out the window & then said he couldn't take us because we were carrying a bag of chips:eek:
Guess he's not one of the ones struggeling to get 3 fares a day:rolleyes::rolleyes:

so now we,re getting to the crux of why you have such a big gripe with the taxi drivers .
a driver would,nt let you take your chips into his car :rolleyes:
i was beginning to wonder why you have such a hang up .
look at this stage you are clutching at straws trying every angle ,and now its come to drivers smoking in their cars .
look someone else posted
"leave them alone they,ll soon burn themselves out "
may i suggest you do that .because i dont think that anything i say or the other drivers who are here will ever change your mind .
you seem to be dead cert on not liking taxi drivers .
and if we are such a bad lot then may i suggest that you vote with your feet [pardon the pun]
then you and your chips will get home without the blood pressure rising .

ntlbell · 01-04-2009 4:06pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Ok so go in there and try setting up as a butcher,newsagent or hairdresser and just see what sort of obstacles get put in your way and I do wish people wouldn't keep comparing a service industry to a retail business...

I wouldn't go in and setup as a butcher as there is 3 fighting it out I would see it as a bad business opportunity

The same reason I wouldn't get a taxi plate right as it would be a bad business decision.

Now the point is, your in the business, now you either stay in it and take out what you can or you use the noggin and work out if it's worth your while looking at a different venture.

why is this so difficult for you to understand?

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 4:13pm

lost marbles wrote: »

so now we,re getting to the crux of why you have such a big gripe with the taxi drivers .
a driver would,nt let you take your chips into his car :rolleyes:

Yeah thats it {sigh} LMAO!!!!

lost marbles wrote: »

and now its come to drivers smoking in their cars .

I suppose yis will deny that happens as well

lost marbles wrote: »

look someone else posted
"leave them alone they,ll soon burn themselves out "
may i suggest you do that .because i dont think that anything i say or the other drivers who are here will ever change your mind .
you seem to be dead cert on not liking taxi drivers .
and if we are such a bad lot then may i suggest that you vote with your feet [pardon the pun]
then you and your chips will get home without the blood pressure rising .

My blood pressure isn't rising . If anything the drivers here are just proving my point that you are in denial about everything.
You seriousally belive you are entitled to everything & everyone else is wrong...
Lads turn off the servers , lock the doors & close down boards, there's no point is arguing the taxi drivers are right & the rest of us are wrong. Its all my fault. I got the government to issue loads or plates I started the recession & I have put a contract out on all the Taxi drivers all because one driver with a smelly smokie cab wouldn't bring me & me chip home LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL:rolleyes::rolleyes:
PS I shot JFK as well & JR

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 4:14pm

ntlbell wrote: »

I wouldn't go in and setup as a butcher as there is 3 fighting it out I would see it as a bad business opportunity

The same reason I wouldn't get a taxi plate right as it would be a bad business decision.

Now the point is, your in the business, now you either stay in it and take out what you can or you use the noggin and work out if it's worth your while looking at a different venture.

why is this so difficult for you to understand?

That is the best statement on this thread .. Well put!!!:cool:

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 5:04pm

koolkid wrote: »

Yeah thats it {sigh} LMAO!!!!

I suppose yis will deny that happens as well

My blood pressure isn't rising . If anything the drivers here are just proving my point that you are in denial about everything.
You seriousally belive you are entitled to everything & everyone else is wrong...
Lads turn off the servers , lock the doors & close down boards, there's no point is arguing the taxi drivers are right & the rest of us are wrong. Its all my fault. I got the government to issue loads or plates I started the recession & I have put a contract out on all the Taxi drivers all because one driver with a smelly smokie cab wouldn't bring me & me chip home LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL:rolleyes::rolleyes:
PS I shot JFK as well & JR

ill leave you with the last work on that so .
[btw you went off on abit of a ramble there ]

i

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 5:33pm

lost marbles wrote: »

ill leave you with the last work on that so

Ahhh Thanks

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 7:59pm

koolkid wrote: »

Ahhh Thanks

your welcome .as your mindset will never change ,so theres no point in me trying to educate any further .:D

KoolKid · 01-04-2009 9:18pm

lost marbles wrote: »

your mindset will never change ,so theres no point in me trying to educate any further .:D

Hmmm perfect candidate for to drive a taxi... Where do I go for one of those licences. Theres great money to be made now while all the full timers are on strike LOL

lost marbles · 01-04-2009 10:29pm

koolkid wrote: »

Hmmm perfect candidate for to drive a taxi... Where do I go for one of those licences. Theres great money to be made now while all the full timers are on strike LOL

by all means do so theres nothing stopping you and you ask where do you go to get a licence .
jeeze thats not like you .come on now! your the one who knows everything about the taxi industry you should have known that .

we used to have one of those little yapper terrier dogs .
when he got something into his head he yapped and yapped and barked and barked .
used to make himself hoarse .even when that other dog was well gone he,ed keep on and on .there was no telling him .

just a memory that came into my head there
fore some strange reason

Spook_ie · 02-04-2009 6:51am

murphaph wrote: »

TV3 news showed a lad just about to boot the side of a VW Passat until he realised there was a TV camera behind him and he pulled back at the last second from damaging the man's car. I presume this wasn't isolated stuff. Thuggery.

Actualy if you look at this clip from the Tv3 news,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

( not commenting on the Elvis lookalike or his comments ) but check out 1 min 03 sec in, clearly shows the man you mention being struck by the car on the leg, now I don't know or pretend to know what the conversation preceding this was, but TBH if it was me being assaulted with a car I'd not pull back at the last second because of a TV camera....

Spook_ie · 02-04-2009 6:57am

ntlbell wrote: »

I wouldn't go in and setup as a butcher as there is 3 fighting it out I would see it as a bad business opportunity

The same reason I wouldn't get a taxi plate right as it would be a bad business decision.

Now the point is, your in the business, now you either stay in it and take out what you can or you use the noggin and work out if it's worth your while looking at a different venture.

why is this so difficult for you to understand?

And if your in a business where the regulations are wrong and unjust you'd protest, what's so difficult for you to understand....

Temporary Moritorium on plates and total review of the industry

KoolKid · 02-04-2009 8:45am

lost marbles wrote: »

by all means do so theres nothing stopping you and you ask where do you go to get a licence .
jeeze thats not like you .come on now! your the one who knows everything about the taxi industry you should have known that .

we used to have one of those little yapper terrier dogs .
when he got something into his head he yapped and yapped and barked and barked .
used to make himself hoarse .even when that other dog was well gone he,ed keep on and on .there was no telling him .

just a memory that came into my head there
fore some strange reason

Insulting me insted of answering the arguments put to you really justs shows that
1) You can not argure any of the points put to you
2) You debating skills really need some work...

Spook_ie wrote: »

And if your in a business where the regulations are wrong and unjust you'd protest, what's so difficult for you to understand....

Whats so difficult for you to understand..??
Again I ask the same question
Why should taxi drivers be singled out for special treatment?
What other industry would be given protection from competition because they cant hack it in the business.
Have taxi drivers ever not had something to cry about?
When ye had it good ye wern't happy ye complained about the hackneys, now the hackneys wen't & got taxi plates. Now your complaining about the part timers, You should be gratefull they are only part time , if they all went full time you would be complaining more..
You clearly cant make a living at this, and judging by your website, you dont really have the attitude for anything that involves dealing with the public.
I'll try make this as simple as I can.
You are self employed in a free market, competition is part of the economy we live in. The state is not responsible for your business, YOU ARE. Try to be a good business man & evaluate your situation. If you are not making a profit then either alter your business or get out!!!!
Business open & close every day thats life . Thank god the majority of the country don't have the mentality of the taxi drivers or we would be surrounded by protests.

Spook_ie · 02-04-2009 8:58am

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I've met him at some point, he seemed very Irish to me.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not Irish, let me just check, nope definately not Irish...:cool:

Spook_ie · 02-04-2009 9:12am

koolkid wrote: »

Interesting!!!
So could it be that he has availed of one of the licences that came available since deregulation?? And now once he's sorted he want's the door closed on everyone else.

koolkid wrote: »

I would like to ask Spook to state publically here if he condones such racist comments & if not to publically denounce such behaviour here.

Ask and thy wish will be granted....

I condemn racism and having been on the receiving end of it know what I'm talking about.

It usualy starts with little quips like yours at the top and escalates upwards, by meaning your quip, the assumation that you appear to be making that seeing as I'm a NN that I've only been in Ireland since deregulation of the Taxi Industry

ntlbell · 02-04-2009 10:06am

Spook_ie wrote: »

And if your in a business where the regulations are wrong and unjust you'd protest, what's so difficult for you to understand....

Temporary Moritorium on plates and total review of the industry

If by unjust you mean I COULD open that butchers and anyone else could open one after me then I fail to see the injustice

can you explain why it is?

ntlbell · 02-04-2009 10:22am

Spook_ie wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that I'm not Irish, let me just check, nope definately not Irish...:cool:

apologies I was mistaken you for spooky

murphaph · 02-04-2009 10:48am

Spook are you that english guy who was interviewed during the protests a few weeks back?

KoolKid · 02-04-2009 10:55am

Spook_ie wrote: »

I condemn racism and having been on the receiving end of it know what I'm talking about.

And yet you allow it on your website

Condems it but at the same time does nothing to prevent it..
If you are against racism I suggest you show it publically by removing those raciest comments from your site & banning the users responsible..

Spook_ie wrote: »

the assumation that you appear to be making that seeing as I'm a NN that I've only been in Ireland since deregulation of the Taxi Industry

How is asking a question an assumption.??? Thats why the question marks are at the end so you know its a question:p
I made no assumptions
Why dont you answer the questions insted of clouding the issues with wild accusations?

Again I ask the same questions...
Why should taxi drivers be singled out for special treatment?
What other industry would be given protection from competition because they cant hack it in the business.?
Have taxi drivers ever not had something to cry about?

Anyway did you have a taxi plate prior to deregulation?

Please note the question marks so you know I am not making assumptions..

Terrontress · 02-04-2009 8:28pm

I have seen posts written by Spook_ie both on his taxi forum and on boards and think he has spoken out clearly against and moderated against racism on several occasions. He gives a balanced opinion and I think it is good to have him on boards as he can back up his posts and doesn't make ridiculous comments then try to distance himself from them as other drivers have done on here.

We're getting into semantics with the "non-national" thing. I presume, although have no way of knowing, that Spook_ie has a white face and that the NN expression seems to be used for guys with black faces. It's a bit disingenuous to repeatedly refer to Spook_ie as a non national.

There is definitely racism in the taxi industry but there are also a large number of drivers from all over the world and they are providing the same service as everyone else and give it time and the dinosaurs in their taxis will have to get used to it. The racism is a side issue as well. The part-timers who seem to invoke the most ire are said to be numerous amongst the teaching, fire-fighting and paramedic professions. Not jobs noted for a high non-national population.

There is a clumsy attempt in that tdfc website to show that they are not racist by having a picture of a guy who looks Chinese beside a black guy on the protest. It made me laugh a bit, like Fr. Ted's slide show in the racist episode but it has a serious message that not all of the drivers or their organisations are racist.

KoolKid · 02-04-2009 10:04pm

Terrontress wrote: »

he can back up his posts and doesn't make ridiculous comments then try to distance himself from them as other drivers have done on here.

But he doesn't back up what he posts. I have asked the same questions over & over & he refuses to answer,

Nice to know what what they think of some of us over on his site

this is what some ####### has posted over on boards .

What you have there is an arsehole who knows nothing about nothing

give the fool a week in a taxi and see if he still feels the same.

It sounds to me like he might be a bottom feeder himself ,

Anyway lads , does anyone know when their next protest is ( or is it a strike, or maybe half a strike). I might take the day off myself.. Drive around looking at them would make an entertaining day off.. Jeeez no wonder we are called the mad Irish..
Ireland in the grip of a huge recession & the self employed go on strike..:eek::D:D

oisindoyle · 02-04-2009 10:53pm

Terrontress wrote: »

I have seen posts written by Spook_ie both on his taxi forum and on boards and think he has spoken out clearly against and moderated against racism on several occasions. He gives a balanced opinion and I think it is good to have him on boards as he can back up his posts and doesn't make ridiculous comments then try to distance himself from them as other drivers have done on here.

We're getting into semantics with the "non-national" thing. I presume, although have no way of knowing, that Spook_ie has a white face and that the NN expression seems to be used for guys with black faces. It's a bit disingenuous to repeatedly refer to Spook_ie as a non national.

There is definitely racism in the taxi industry but there are also a large number of drivers from all over the world and they are providing the same service as everyone else and give it time and the dinosaurs in their taxis will have to get used to it. The racism is a side issue as well. The part-timers who seem to invoke the most ire are said to be numerous amongst the teaching, fire-fighting and paramedic professions. Not jobs noted for a high non-national population.

There is a clumsy attempt in that tdfc website to show that they are not racist by having a picture of a guy who looks Chinese beside a black guy on the protest. It made me laugh a bit, like Fr. Ted's slide show in the racist episode but it has a serious message that not all of the drivers or their organisations are racist.

Well thats quite disingenuous of you to say that about TDFC and the picture .The picture was taken for NO other reason than to show taxis drivers on protest.........You will note I said Taxi Drivers and not NN taxi drivers ..We are all the same ,,,So stop trying to make out TDFC did it for a reason ...There is not a story there so stop trying to make something of it ,,,,Thank You

oisindoyle · 02-04-2009 11:00pm

murphaph wrote: »

TV3 news showed a lad just about to boot the side of a VW Passat until he realised there was a TV camera behind him and he pulled back at the last second from damaging the man's car. I presume this wasn't isolated stuff. Thuggery.

That was ONE person doing that and it WAS WRONG and uncalled for .So please if you have evidence of others please point it out since you said it wasnt an isolated incident ...
I saw that Waterford Crystal Workers pushed a Minister and behaved in a none too mannerly way ..I dont see you or anyone condemning them ,,,or is it ok for them because they wereonly trying to protect their jobs????
And what about some of the Dell workers who behaved less than mannerly with a journalist ,,,,Again I ask did anyone condemn them ? I think not ...

oisindoyle · 02-04-2009 11:06pm

ntlbell wrote: »

there was one guy on the tv that was kicking out at a car for passing him

what do you call this?

Your answer says it all ..."There was ONE guy ".........and yes it was wrong ,but it was ONE guy so stop tarring everyone .......

oisindoyle · 02-04-2009 11:12pm

koolkid wrote: »

First off to oisindoyle my friends are not spoofers like I have said 3 times.
I cant post your quote because you edited my quote insted of quoting me & answering on your own. There seems to be no getting trough to you because like I said you are in denial. Are you saying there are no taxi drivers in Dublin earning a decent wage (And if they say they are the're all spoofers)
Its amazing why there is a need for a cap on licences. Jeezzz if things are that bad the number of licences would be falling not raising...

That sounds like your kept busy to me.

What??? Are you living down the country?
I would imagine town is where the work is.

There are 3 newsagents in the shopping centre beside me.
What argument am I twisting ???
So should those newsagent owners go on strike & expect the government to prevent competition... Get real !!!

Me Me Me ! Is that all you think about??
They are entitled to work what ever hours they want.
You are entitled to cherry pick & work what ever hours you want.
What stopping you working the lucrative hours and diluting their wage??

OMG!!! Get rid of that chip on your shoulder
Its not leechlike its called making a good living for yourself. You should try it insted of blaming everyone else & expecting the state to sort you out.
The good old days of yis holding the country to ransom & people having to wait hours for the privledge of giving you their business is gone.. Get over it & get out & earn a few quid for yourself

So what would putting a cap on new licences do then???

Ehh! because they paid for their licence the same as you did. They are entitled to work what ever hours they like..
So if all the part timers worked full time would you be happy then???

Where did this big chip on your shoulder about PAYE workers come from??
You really do have some issues.

So you are refusing to condemn the racist remarks on it???

What more do you want me to say ?? I gave a response too all your questions and yet you dont accept them ,,,and yes i am saying drivers are not making a decent living,,,most of us are not even making a living ,,,At present it is well documented that Drivers are making less than the minimum average industrial wage ,,,,Thats a FACT and was also recently said at an Oireachtas Transport Committee by various TDs ,,,,So there you have it ,,IF you think Im lying so be it ,,But Im not i have no reason to .........Its quite obvious that no matter what anyone says ,you will disagree with them regardless ....
If you have all the answers and its wonderful for drivers why dont you buy a plate tomorro and see how "wonderful a life it is " Come on do it

Pablo Sanchez · 02-04-2009 11:15pm

oisindoyle wrote: »

Your answer says it all ..."There was ONE guy ".........and yes it was wrong ,but it was ONE guy so stop tarring everyone .......

The ONE person on the tv gives a indication of the sort of carry on that is being discussed. If TV3 had a camera at every rank that day a pattern could well emerge.

Its not that single incident alone, its the anecdotal evidence that prevails through stories of assaults on drivers for stealing trade from other drivers, common personal experience's and the views expressed by the more vocal drivers on their forum which taken togeather paints a fairly poor view of the industry and the people therein.

If your image was better i dare to say that public sympathy for your plight wouldnt be so scarce.

Spook_ie · 03-04-2009 6:19am

murphaph wrote: »

TV3 news showed a lad just about to boot the side of a VW Passat until he realised there was a TV camera behind him and he pulled back at the last second from damaging the man's car. I presume this wasn't isolated stuff. Thuggery.

ntlbell wrote: »

there was one guy on the tv that was kicking out at a car for passing him

what do you call this?

Pablo Sanchez wrote: »

The ONE person on the tv gives a indication of the sort of carry on that is being discussed. If TV3 had a camera at every rank that day a pattern could well emerge.

Its not that single incident alone, its the anecdotal evidence that prevails through stories of assaults on drivers for stealing trade from other drivers, common personal experience's and the views expressed by the more vocal drivers on their forum which taken togeather paints a fairly poor view of the industry and the people therein.

If your image was better i dare to say that public sympathy for your plight wouldnt be so scarce.

Are either of you actualy looking at the same clip as I'm looking at?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Clearley shows at 1m 02s in, the driver of the Passat striking the man on the leg while driving his car at him, the minor reaction of a half hearted kick ( if it was a kick ) at the door IMO was a very minor reaction to an action that could have killed or maimed someone.

Spook_ie · 03-04-2009 6:44am

koolkid wrote: »

But he doesn't back up what he posts. I have asked the same questions over & over & he refuses to answer,

Nice to know what what they think of some of us over on his site

Anyway lads , does anyone know when their next protest is ( or is it a strike, or maybe half a strike). I might take the day off myself.. Drive around looking at them would make an entertaining day off.. Jeeez no wonder we are called the mad Irish..
Ireland in the grip of a huge recession & the self employed go on strike..:eek::D:D

Simarly nice to know what some of the people on here think of taxi drivers.

Now which questions is it that you want answering? because you have asked so many questions and gotten so many answers that I don't know which questions it is that you're looking for answers for.

BTW if you're asking questions, why when I give you answers do you not accept them as answers?

So according to your perfect calculations & you perfectly calibrated meter what would those 2 fares be???
BTW the works on the Swords road weren't there at the time so stop blaming road works for taking the screnic route.. Last time I looked there are more roadworks on the M50 than anywhere else.

Being a typical example of how when I answer a question ( with facts ) you resort to petty sarcasm, BTW the answer to that question is still a €1.75 difference (as already posted in the thread)....

talkingclock · 03-04-2009 7:00am

Spook_ie wrote: »

Now which questions is it that you want answering? because you have asked so many questions and gotten so many answers that I don't know which questions it is that you're looking for answers for.

I'm sure you know very well which question has been asked by koolkid a good few times and is left still unanswered by you...

Maybe again:

I quote koolkid: "Why should taxi drivers be singled out for special treatment?" emerging the following questions, again quote koolkid: "What other industry would be given protection from competition because they cant hack it in the business?"

So, not to confuse you with to many questions for a start I ask only this single question which you can focus on: Why should taxi drivers be singled out for special treatment?

Pablo Sanchez · 03-04-2009 7:51am

Spook_ie wrote: »

Are either of you actualy looking at the same clip as I'm looking at?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Clearley shows at 1m 02s in, the driver of the Passat striking the man on the leg while driving his car at him, the minor reaction of a half hearted kick ( if it was a kick ) at the door IMO was a very minor reaction to an action that could have killed or maimed someone.

Well i wouldnt consider driving a car into a protester as civilised behaviour either!

Terrontress · 03-04-2009 7:54am

oisindoyle wrote: »

Well thats quite disingenuous of you to say that about TDFC and the picture .The picture was taken for NO other reason than to show taxis drivers on protest.........You will note I said Taxi Drivers and not NN taxi drivers ..We are all the same ,,,So stop trying to make out TDFC did it for a reason ...There is not a story there so stop trying to make something of it ,,,,Thank You

yeah right. The website is showing six or more photos of the protest and one has a van with Irish Cancer Society stickers in the window, another has two non-white guys protesting. I'd say there is a message there that they are trying to communicate. I think it's positive, if a little clumsy, that they are doing it. You can't say those two guys are representative of the strikers but it is good to see they were there.

KoolKid · 03-04-2009 9:15am

oisindoyle wrote: »

What more do you want me to say ?? I gave a response too all your questions and yet you dont accept them ,,,and yes i am saying drivers are not making a decent living,,,most of us are not even making a living ,,,At present it is well documented that Drivers are making less than the minimum average industrial wage ,,,,Thats a FACT and was also recently said at an Oireachtas Transport Committee by various TDs ,,,,So there you have it ,,IF you think Im lying so be it ,,But Im not i have no reason to .........Its quite obvious that no matter what anyone says ,you will disagree with them regardless ....
If you have all the answers and its wonderful for drivers why dont you buy a plate tomorro and see how "wonderful a life it is " Come on do it

I don't need to buy a plate. I have a good job & I am making a good wage. Something taxi drivers , accoring to themselves have never made.
Even before regulation they always cried the poor mouth.
Again I ask if things are this bad surly the number of licences should be dropping??? No business person gets into a business there is no profit in, and no business person stays in a business the is no profit in...
Unless they are totally stupid.
Strange then how the nuber of plates are still rising?

Spook_ie wrote: »

Simarly nice to know what some of the people on here think of taxi drivers.

Now which questions is it that you want answering? because you have asked so many questions and gotten so many answers that I don't know which questions it is that you're looking for answers for.

BTW if you're asking questions, why when I give you answers do you not accept them as answers?

Being a typical example of how when I answer a question ( with facts ) you resort to petty sarcasm, BTW the answer to that question is still a €1.75 difference (as already posted in the thread)....

You didn't answer that question. I asked what the 2 fares would be?

Here are the other questions. (in bold print because you clearly cant see them otherwise)
Why should taxi drivers be singled out for special treatment?
What other industry would be given protection from competition because they cant hack it in the business.?
Have taxi drivers ever not had something to cry about?

Anyway did you have a taxi plate prior to deregulation?

I find it amazing that you complain about a bit of sarcasim here while you openly allow blatant racism & hatred be spouted on your own site.

If you are honest when you say you condemn this then why not show it by deleting all the vile content on your site & ban the users responsible..
(Yeah! I think I asked that question before also)

ntlbell · 03-04-2009 10:22am

lol koolkid, I don't think you're going to get an answer

but I feel it's very unfair that spooky gets all this "air" time to stick up for taxi drivers yet won't answer some very straight forward questions

the lack of answers speaks volumes tho.

Taxi stoppage 24hour

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