Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

smellslikeshoes · 28-12-2014 8:37pm

GarIT wrote: »

Caterham could be in trouble Air Asia has lost a plane in the last 24 hours, which will result in Tony Fernandez loosing a massive amount of money/value of his investments, which means less funding available for Caterham.

Caterham have nothing to do with Tony Fernandez or Air Asia anymore.

GarIT · 28-12-2014 9:28pm

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Caterham have nothing to do with Tony Fernandez or Air Asia anymore.

Is he not still currently the owner? The sale fell through didn't it?

smellslikeshoes · 29-12-2014 1:23am

GarIT wrote: »

Is he not still currently the owner? The sale fell through didn't it?

No it's essentially owned by the teams creditors now while the administrator looks for a buyer. There will be a big messy court case at some stage in the future to sort out who was at fault for the deal falling through but the team has been abandoned by both parties and left in debt.

Jordan 199 · 29-12-2014 3:33am

I had a look at the 2015 F1 entry list and Lewis is sticking with the number 44 so there will be no car with the number 1 on the grid for next year.

The last time that happened was the 1994 season when no car had the number 1.

Zcott · 29-12-2014 11:43am

Makes sense for Lewis. Those caps won't sell themselves!

donspeekinglesh · 29-12-2014 2:04pm

GarIT wrote:

I also found it strange that Lloyd's have said they are at the top of a list of creditors owed a total of Â£31m by Marussia, the strange thing about this is if Marussia had stayed operating they would have been due Â£40m in prize money. Marussia made losses of Â£29 million in 2014, but with prize money does that not mean they would be up Â£11m

they'd need to have survived until the end of the 2015 season before getting the prize money.

there's also losses from other years and other creditors owed money

smellslikeshoes · 29-12-2014 7:29pm

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

they'd need to have survived until the end of the 2015 season before getting the prize money.

there's also losses from other years and other creditors owed money

Weren't previous years debt cleared at the start of 2014 though?

Mitch Connor · 29-12-2014 10:00pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I had a look at the 2015 F1 entry list and Lewis is sticking with the number 44 so there will be no car with the number 1 on the grid for next year.

The last time that happened was the 1994 season when no car had the number 1.

i thought it was previously stated that the reigning champion HAD to have number 1 on the car - when was that changed?

Zcott · 30-12-2014 12:38am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i thought it was previously stated that the reigning champion HAD to have number 1 on the car - when was that changed?

Last year, when you could pick your own numbers.

Myrddin · 30-12-2014 12:10pm

I'm not surprised Lewis is sticking with #44 at all, and further, I can't see anyone who wins the WDC here on abandoning their chosen number to use #1 instead. Driver numbers can be very superstitious things, if you've become world champion with a chosen number, I don't think you'd be inclined to ditch it the following year

Sterling Archer · 30-12-2014 3:03pm

Myrddin wrote: »

I'm not surprised Lewis is sticking with #44 at all, and further, I can't see anyone who wins the WDC here on abandoning their chosen number to use #1 instead. Driver numbers can be very superstitious things, if you've become world champion with a chosen number, I don't think you'd be inclined to ditch it the following year

Wasn't 44 the number Lewis had when he won his first Karting Championship?

Myrddin · 30-12-2014 3:14pm

Shane_ef wrote: »

Wasn't 44 the number Lewis had when he won his first Karting Championship?

Yep, likewise Nico using #6 was his dad's number I think. I think every driver (except Kimi

) will have some significance attached to their number.

Mitch Connor · 30-12-2014 3:19pm

Zcott wrote: »

Last year, when you could pick your own numbers.

But they said the champ still had to have the number 1. Which is why seb raced as number 1 rather than the number 5 he will race under this year. Check last year's numbers. So, when were the rules changed, again?

Myrddin · 30-12-2014 3:33pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But they said the champ still had to have the number 1. Which is why seb raced as number 1 rather than the number 5 he will race under this year. Check last year's numbers. So, when were the rules changed, again?

Are you sure they said that? I don't remember that being the case since chosen numbers came in?

Sterling Archer · 30-12-2014 3:37pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But they said the champ still had to have the number 1. Which is why seb raced as number 1 rather than the number 5 he will race under this year. Check last year's numbers. So, when were the rules changed, again?

I thought the rules were you get #1 or your number, similar to Rossi keeping his number 46 in motogp

Peanut Butter Jelly · 30-12-2014 4:00pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But they said the champ still had to have the number 1. Which is why seb raced as number 1 rather than the number 5 he will race under this year. Check last year's numbers. So, when were the rules changed, again?

Nope, the driver that wins the WDC has the choice to use either his original number he picked or use the number 1 the following season. Seb chose to use the number 1 for this season and will revert back to number 5 next season as he is no longer champion. This was always the case since the numbers were changed.

Jimoslimos · 31-12-2014 12:11am

I didn't realise they had the option to change their numbers every year. I thought they had the number for their F1 career with #1 reserved for current WDC.

Could seriously mess with a competitor's head. In a hypothetical situation Rosberg scoring more points over a season than Hamilton and picking #44 for sh1ts and giggles.

Cookie_Monster · 31-12-2014 12:19am

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I didn't realise they had the option to change their numbers every year. I thought they had the number for their F1 career with #1 reserved for current WDC.

Could seriously mess with a competitor's head. In a hypothetical situation Rosberg scoring more points over a season than Hamilton and picking #44 for sh1ts and giggles.

no, the only choice is between a drivers nominated number and #1. otherwise the keep their number for their entire f1 career. there's no re-issuing all numbers every year.

Jimoslimos · 31-12-2014 12:48am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

no, the only choice is between a drivers nominated number and #1. otherwise the keep their number for their entire f1 career. there's no re-issuing all numbers every year.

Ah I see, makes sense now. Perhaps a little unfair on newer drivers if all the "lucky" number are taken. Seems trivial alright, but as mentioned drivers can be a superstitious bunch.

zombieHanalei · 31-12-2014 12:27pm

Am I alone in thinking the driver numbers thing is a big load of balls?! I fail to see how the old system was holding the sport back; nothing more than a marketing/merchandise gimmick!

flazio · 31-12-2014 12:30pm

I imagine that once a driver has left F1 then their former number becomes available for the next rookie to step up.

Mitch Connor · 01-01-2015 1:36am

zombieHanalei wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking the driver numbers thing is a big load of balls?! I fail to see how the old system was holding the sport back; nothing more than a marketing/merchandise gimmick!

Eh, that's exactly what it is, a marketing gimmick. That's what they said it was. Would be easier to monitize a set number than one changing every year.

antodeco · 01-01-2015 2:22am

Happy new year everybody!

Jordan 199 · 01-01-2015 3:15am

50 years ago today, there was a Grand Prix at the Prince George Circuit in South Africa.

I wouldn't mind a GP on New Years Day providing it was in a warm location and at a good circuit. I know the chances of it happening are very slim, but it would be cool if it happened.

Ghost Train · 01-01-2015 3:46am

happy new year

Mike Litoris · 01-01-2015 11:57am

Congrats....or not....to Jense.

He went and got himself hitched.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30647574

AMKC · 03-01-2015 4:45pm

Loophole opens door for 2015 engine upgrades

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117259

Looks like this year Mercedes might have a bit more competition if anyone can do any decent upgrades to there engines. Might not be just a two horse race this year. Hopefully this will make this year an even more exciting season.

eviltimeban · 03-01-2015 6:09pm

AMKC wrote: »

Loophole opens door for 2015 engine upgrades

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117259

Looks like this year Mercedes might have a bit more competition if anyone can do any decent upgrades to there engines. Might not be just a two horse race this year. Hopefully this will make this year an even more exciting season.

Not good news for Honda, or Alonso.

Frank Bullitt · 03-01-2015 11:00pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Not good news for Honda, or Alonso.

McLaren will probably well protest that on the ground of fairness.

Yet again though, the FIA, who's job it is to write the rules, leave another loophole.

Who the hell is their copyrighter?

03-01-2015 11:01pm

What a joke.

smellslikeshoes · 04-01-2015 3:13am

The engine loophole is a lot less significant than they are making it out to be in some of the articles. The engine manufacturers need to homologate the 2015 engines before they are allowed to be raced. If a Manufacturer decided they wanted to wait a few races before homologating the 2015 engine, they would have to use the 2014 engine up till that point (aswell as their customer teams).

It's also not as simple as just working on the engines for an extra few months, there would be serious logistics involved in changing the timetables of the engine programs since they would obviously be a long way into the process at this stage aswell as all the manufacturing involved for 2 teams for Renault and Ferrari and 4 teams for Merc.

I'd personally be surprised if any Engine manufacturer makes use of this for more than a few races, it would essentially be sacrificing the first few races with the hope they can catch up later in the season. The real benefit of this loop hole would be in a scenario similar to Renault in the pre season testing last year, if an engine had some serious reliability/cooling problem etc. they would be able to use extra time to fix it before homologating.

Jordan 199 · 04-01-2015 3:51pm

On BBC2 tonight at 9PM - Racing Legends: Graham Hill.

Mike Litoris · 04-01-2015 4:42pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

On BBC2 tonight at 9PM - Racing Legends: Graham Hill.

From about 6pm onwards its a great evening of TV on BBC2. Top gear at 7pm and Racing Legends: Barry Sheen at 10:45. Some Darts, Tigers, Volcanoes and QI in there too.

dloob · 05-01-2015 12:48pm

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

The engine loophole is a lot less significant than they are making it out to be in some of the articles. The engine manufacturers need to homologate the 2015 engines before they are allowed to be raced. If a Manufacturer decided they wanted to wait a few races before homologating the 2015 engine, they would have to use the 2014 engine up till that point (aswell as their customer teams).

It's also not as simple as just working on the engines for an extra few months, there would be serious logistics involved in changing the timetables of the engine programs since they would obviously be a long way into the process at this stage aswell as all the manufacturing involved for 2 teams for Renault and Ferrari and 4 teams for Merc.

I'd personally be surprised if any Engine manufacturer makes use of this for more than a few races, it would essentially be sacrificing the first few races with the hope they can catch up later in the season. The real benefit of this loop hole would be in a scenario similar to Renault in the pre season testing last year, if an engine had some serious reliability/cooling problem etc. they would be able to use extra time to fix it before homologating.

I thought the letter from Charlie was that the homologated unit would be as it was in 2014 plus permitted changes. No need to homologate for 2015.

Charlie Whiting wrote:

"The basic homologated power unit will remain that which was homologated for the 2014 season, including any changes made in accordance with paragraph 1 (c) of appendix 4 [of the sporting regulations]."

"As it is not specifically stated... when a power unit may be modified in accordance with appendix 4 [of the technical regulations], we feel that the weighted items (32 in this case) may be introduced at any time during the 2015 season"

The meaning being they can now spread their 32 tokens of changes over the whole season instead of doing it all before the season starts.
Not a huge advantage really, but a chance to keep a few back to introduce mid season after seeing how the first batch went perhaps.
You still have restrictions on the number of engines a driver has for the season so you can't spread the changes that much.

smellslikeshoes · 06-01-2015 8:02am

dloob wrote: »

I thought the letter from Charlie was that the homologated unit would be as it was in 2014 plus permitted changes. No need to homologate for 2015.

The meaning being they can now spread their 32 tokens of changes over the whole season instead of doing it all before the season starts.
Not a huge advantage really, but a chance to keep a few back to introduce mid season after seeing how the first batch went perhaps.
You still have restrictions on the number of engines a driver has for the season so you can't spread the changes that much.

There's an explanation Here that explains it better than I could.

antodeco · 06-01-2015 11:51am

According to a Spanish newspaper, both the McLaren and Mercedes teams are set to change their liveries for the 2015 season.

El Mundo Deportivo claim that the reigning champions will switch from their predominantly silver livery to a mirrored chrome scheme for next year.
This chrome colour scheme for Mercedes’ W06 challenger is believed to be called “Kromo” and will be supplied to OZ to use as the colours for the wheels of this season’s car.

Meanwhile, the newspaper also claims that McLaren, as expected, will ditch their silver livery – used since their switch to Mercedes power in 1997 – in favour of something more relevant to the McLaren/Honda partnership.
El Mundo Deportivo stated that, “Honda does not want [McLaren] to continue with silver because it is a color immediately associated with Mercedes and the ‘Silver Arrows.’

“There are rumors the [2015] car could be orange, McLaren’s traditional color, for testing. But it could also be white, in a double-tribute: to Honda and also because McLaren’s first F1 car was that color” in 1966.

“The final choice could depend largely on whether McLaren has a major sponsor in 2015 or not,” the report added.
Despite the rumours, the final liveries for the cars are not likely to be revealed until the official car launches. The Mercedes and McLaren car launch dates are still to be announced.

Source: http://formulaspy.com/news/formula-1-news/rumour-mclaren-mercedes-teams-change-liveries-9263

It will be nice to see some brighter callers on the track. I always liked the various colours of GP2. It just seems more like a race when theres loads of different colours.

eviltimeban · 06-01-2015 12:30pm

It would be great if they went back to the iconic red and white "Marlboro" colours (they could do it in such a way that doesn't invoke Marlboro).

That "fan rendering" isn't really that nice, its a bit nothing really isn't it? It makes it look like an old Force India. Or Arrows!

Charlie-Bravo · 06-01-2015 12:37pm

If Santander fund more to McLaren, I expect them to have a red rear wind with white text. The main body can be white with flashes of red. And have black logos for the main SAP, Mobile 1 and Johnnie Walker sponsors.

TheDoctor · 06-01-2015 1:48pm

Throw on some green and its the force India car

Jordan 199 · 06-01-2015 2:18pm

I hope Mercedes don't have this years car with a chrome paint-job. I not fond of chrome paint-jobs.

Charlie-Bravo · 06-01-2015 3:43pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I hope Mercedes don't have this years car with a chrome paint-job. I not fond of chrome paint-jobs.

It looks like they might just do that as per what antodeco posted/linked.

"El Mundo Deportivo claim that the reigning champions will switch from their predominantly silver livery to a mirrored chrome scheme for next year."

We just have to wait to have this speculation confirmed!

GT_TDI_150 · 06-01-2015 4:41pm

astrofluff wrote: »

It looks like they might just do that as per what antodeco posted/linked.

"El Mundo Deportivo claim that the reigning champions will switch from their predominantly silver livery to a mirrored chrome scheme for next year."

We just have to wait to have this speculation confirmed!

The chrome paint is probably more aero

antodeco · 06-01-2015 5:34pm

Until the sun comes out and reflects off the chrome, and blinds all the drivers behind them!

GT_TDI_150 · 06-01-2015 5:35pm

antodeco wrote: »

Until the sun comes out and reflects off the chrome, and blinds all the drivers behind them!

Win win for mercedes so

antodeco · 06-01-2015 11:13pm

Korean GP axed for 2015!

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9634837/confirmation-that-there-is-no-korean-grand-prix-on-2015-schedule

Zcott · 06-01-2015 11:31pm

Not really much of a surprise there...

TheDoctor · 06-01-2015 11:49pm

That's a shock

Said no one

ZiabR · 07-01-2015 9:39am

Sure Korea basically told Berni, "we don't want to host a GP next year..."

Cookie_Monster · 07-01-2015 12:42pm

2016 will see a minimum age of 18, a road licence and set number of qualifying points in lower series to be able to drive in f1

GarIT · 07-01-2015 12:57pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

2016 will see a minimum age of 18, a road licence and set number of qualifying points in lower series to be able to drive in f1

The old boys club is trying to close ranks and keep it's current members happy.

Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

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