When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

Nonoperational · 13-02-2014 10:49pm

GBCULLEN wrote: »

its possible its only for business customers and no doubt they will get priority ie the ISP will make sure vectoring works properly.

The whole cabinet has to be switched to vectoring at the same time.

bk · 14-02-2014 9:31am

Praetorian wrote: »

100m/bit has been talked about a lot. Is that all the CPE can actually manage? I had thought it was silly to have only 100m/bit lan on all the CPE that I have used so far on fiber. Of course I will be happy with 100 x 30 but 120 or 130 x 30 would be a really nice headline speed

Well the Eircom router and I believe the Vodafone router both have Gigabit LAN so they are capable of ore then 100mb/s

I hear that they have actually been able to get 130mb/s out of short distance lines, however it is likely that they are only going to sell them as 100mb/s

They do the same at the moment, my parents line is capable of 100mb/s without vectoring (they are about 10 meters from the exchange). But Eircom/Vodafone only sells 70mb/s to them on the line.

BTW It seems that vectoring won't bring any increase in upload speed, it maxes out at 20mb/s even with vectoring.

SpaceTime · 14-02-2014 12:12pm

One thing I've noticed in recent days has been my ping time's dropped significantly (well under 10ms to Vodafone and Digiweb speedtest.net servers).

Any idea why that would be? Speed hasn't changed we basically get 40MBit/s due to distance to cab.

Unlikely to be anything to do with vectoring? Or maybe they've just improved the backhaul?

ED E · 14-02-2014 12:40pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

One thing I've noticed in recent days has been my ping time's dropped significantly (well under 10ms to Vodafone and Digiweb speedtest.net servers).

Any idea why that would be? Speed hasn't changed we basically get 40MBit/s due to distance to cab.

Unlikely to be anything to do with vectoring? Or maybe they've just improved the backhaul?

Changes in big iron routing most likely. Your assigned BRAS might have changed even.

fat-tony · 14-02-2014 2:09pm

I've noticed that the SNR on my Vodafone 70Mb line here in Greystones, Wicklow (LLU exchange) has improved from 14.5dB to 17.3dB downstream and from 15.1dB to 16.1dB upstream in the past couple of days. This is since a brief DSL outage at 6.20am on the 11th (not the normal IP address refresh). Sync speed is 71679 (was 71678) up and 20478 (was 20479) down. I'm wondering if they are testing the vectoring SNR impact prior to switching on the higher speeds? This is an almost doubling of my downstream SNR.

AlanS181824 · 15-02-2014 4:19am

Is 20Mb up the fastest possible even with Vectoring? I have Sky so all this makes no difference to me anyway but I can dream...

Praetorian · 15-02-2014 8:27pm

Bk

"Connected Disconnected Disconnected Disconnected
100Full Auto Auto Auto "

copy and paste from my vodafone hg658c. I think all the ports are 100m/bit. Would love to be wrong.

AlanS181824,

more than 20m/bit is definitely possible. even without vectoring I reckon my own line can do 30m/bit up. There is a lot of talk about vectoring enabling upto 40m/bit up...now that would be nice.

SpaceTime,

That is a really nice ping! I'm on vodafone and the best i get is 16-20ms. I long for the old days ping times (gdmt) sub 10 ms to Irish servers and 12-14 to the UK. Hopefully we'll all get some latency optimisation. I don't understand why the error correction is set so high, on very strong lines.

Fat-Tony,

There can be a natural rise and fall of the snr figures due to a few different factors. But you well could be right! I'll watch out for changes on my stats next week!

fat-tony · 16-02-2014 12:30am

@Praetorian - your quoting doesn't seem to be working. Perhaps you are cutting off the quote tags?

As regards the SNR - a small change might be due to localised factors, but a doubling is unlikely I would think.

SpaceTime · 16-02-2014 2:10am

Praetorian wrote: »

SpaceTime,

That is a really nice ping! I'm on vodafone and the best i get is 16-20ms. I long for the old days ping times (gdmt) sub 10 ms to Irish servers and 12-14 to the UK. Hopefully we'll all get some latency optimisation. I don't understand why the error correction is set so high, on very strong lines.

That's over WiFi (It drops to about 6-7ms on wired and closer to the full 40mbit/s)

--- www.google.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 10.903/12.939/14.048/1.006 ms

Our speed's not exactly blazing fast as we're quite a bit away from the cabinet, hopefully vectoring might see a bit of a speed-up.

swoofer · 16-02-2014 11:20am

how do you get those pings?? Mine are 35ms and speed is slightly faster down than yours but your upload is faster. I am about 800m from cabinet.

SpaceTime · 16-02-2014 12:54pm

It could be down to the local aggregation nodes at my exchange (Wellington Rd). Maybe it just has better access to the core network or there are faster switches and routers installed?

Could just be fewer hops or something.

I doubt it's the local copper wiring.

I think I'm about 700 ish meters from the cabinet.

ED E · 16-02-2014 9:48pm

Different BRAS probably. Some lines run half way across the country to hit theirs.

Freddy Smelly · 16-02-2014 10:02pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Although I use a mere fraction of my currant bandwidth, I WANT VECTORING NOW!

they could give you vectoring now... but then you would be bitching about how intermittent it was cos they did not test the software first.. :rolleyes: let them get the cabs upgraded tested and working first before they update the f1000's to use it

also let them try fix the unrelenting storm damage too while they are at it.. you whine about speeds.. if you have service be glad of that alone... alot of people have no service... its not any isp's fault its the poxy weather tearing the sh!te out of lines causing problems... they can only do so much each day

SpaceTime · 17-02-2014 12:35am

The people dealing with vectoring (a software issue) and the storm damage aren't really connected.

Nonoperational · 17-02-2014 8:54pm

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

they could give you vectoring now... but then you would be bitching about how intermittent it was cos they did not test the software first.. :rolleyes: let them get the cabs upgraded tested and working first before they update the f1000's to use it

also let them try fix the unrelenting storm damage too while they are at it.. you whine about speeds.. if you have service be glad of that alone... alot of people have no service... its not any isp's fault its the poxy weather tearing the sh!te out of lines causing problems... they can only do so much each day

What the hell was that?

I was messing, I have more speed now than I need. As for the storm damage, I never said a word about it. In fact, I never whined about anything at all. Relax man.

jca · 17-02-2014 9:48pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

What the hell was that?

I was messing, I have more speed now than I need. As for the storm damage, I never said a word about it. In fact, I never whined about anything at all. Relax man.

Freddy smelly doesn't get sarcasm....

SpaceTime · 18-02-2014 1:54am

Interesting my DSL connection dropped a while ago for a few mins.
Wonder if that was an update going on?

I was just up a bit late with netflix on in background.

Never noticed it drop a connection before.

Cork981 · 18-02-2014 2:32am

SpaceTime wrote: »

Interesting my DSL connection dropped a while ago for a few mins. 
Wonder if that was an update going on? 
 
I was just up a bit late with netflix on in background. 
 
Never noticed it drop a connection before.

I also noticed my connection drop for a few minutes this time last week at roughly 12.30am.

I'm in the e church field exchange area.

Could easily be cabinets being upgraded.

Also IP remained the same afterwards.

tdonegan1990 · 18-02-2014 4:59pm

Also had a drop in my download speed last night, upload was grand tho.. On the Dundalk exchange.

SpaceTime · 18-02-2014 5:55pm

No change in my speed and ping's still <9ms

jimmad · 20-02-2014 6:16pm

Modem updated over night some new vector values displaying in the DSL statistics

domeld · 20-02-2014 9:28pm

Last fritzbox update enabled vectoring.

Nonoperational · 21-02-2014 1:21am

Short loop bonded and vectored VDSL has a lot to offer in the near to mid future.

As uncool as copper is, it's still pretty amazing the amount of data that can be sent down 2 tiny little copper wires...

bloodyhawk · 21-02-2014 11:30am

Praetorian wrote: »

I got a call from my provider today to say that our broadband would be down for 10 minutes next tuesday at 00.10 for vector upgrades.

I was also told it would be 1 or 2 months before the upgrade is turned on.

100m/bit has been talked about a lot. Is that all the CPE can actually manage? I had thought it was silly to have only 100m/bit lan on all the CPE that I have used so far on fiber. Of course I will be happy with 100 x 30 but 120 or 130 x 30 would be a really nice headline speed

I wonder if we would be required to sign a new contract if we decide to upgrade

bloodyhawk · 21-02-2014 11:32am

SpaceTime wrote: »

No change in my speed and ping's still <9ms

Are you still getting 9ms ping?

SpaceTime · 21-02-2014 11:33am

I'll check later.

bloodyhawk · 21-02-2014 11:36am

SpaceTime wrote: »

I'll check later.

Yeah, no bother. I was just wondering cause I was also getting under 10ms ping until couple of days ago, Now I am back to 20-30ms ping times. I think the update for enabling vectoring might have something to do with it.

bk · 21-02-2014 11:46am

Nonoperational wrote: »

Short loop bonded and vectored VDSL has a lot to offer in the near to mid future.

As uncool as copper is, it's still pretty amazing the amount of data that can be sent down 2 tiny little copper wires...

Agreed, though it should be pointed out that it is really fibre that is the power behind this (and also UPC's network). In the long term the key is to get Fibre closer and closer to peoples homes.

SpaceTime · 21-02-2014 11:55am

bloodyhawk wrote: »

Yeah, no bother. I was just wondering cause I was also getting under 10ms ping until couple of days ago, Now I am back to 20-30ms ping times. I think the update for enabling vectoring might have something to do with it.

Slightly higher alright but still not up at 20. Getting more like 12-15ms to most servers in Ireland.

It could equally be time of day too. Network's load may be determining routing.

From what I've read about it, I don't think Vectoring should have any impact on ping, although it'll be interesting to see how it impacts it.

Some of the old ADSL interleaving profiles definitely did increase ping.

ElNino · 21-02-2014 12:26pm

bloodyhawk wrote: »

I wonder if we would be required to sign a new contract if we decide to upgrade

I would assume that we will all be upgraded automatically and there won't be any new contract.

AlanS181824 · 22-02-2014 7:27pm

Hopefully Vectoring will be enabled soon. It won't effect me anyway but when I finally do get VDSL then it will be nice to be able to get faster speeds.

Bog Standard User · 24-02-2014 5:11pm

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Hopefully Vectoring will be enabled soon. It won't effect me anyway but when I finally do get VDSL then it will be nice to be able to get faster speeds.

been rolled on in parts of dublin this week

swoofer · 24-02-2014 6:14pm

lets hope someone from dublin will report back when it happens.

bloodyhawk · 24-02-2014 7:53pm

swoofer wrote: »

lets hope someone from dublin will report back when it happens.

+1 To this. I would love to see their statistics..

Vico1612 · 24-02-2014 10:09pm

Have noticed that my Vodafone router is reporting a higher Downstream SNR since yesterday , up from 6.2 to 19.9
Attenuation hasn't moved ...

jd · 24-02-2014 10:17pm

I believe that while vectoring may be enabled on the cabinet, it is up to the retail operator to then apply a higher rate profile on the line if one is available.

domeld · 25-02-2014 12:03am

Vico1612 wrote: »

Have noticed that my Vodafone router is reporting a higher Downstream SNR since yesterday , up from 6.2 to 19.9
Attenuation hasn't moved ...

I have this same it went up to 20.5

_John C · 25-02-2014 1:00am

Should be interesting to see this vectoring in action. We will have 100Mb during the day and 1Mb - 4Mb in the evenings.

SpaceTime · 25-02-2014 1:14am

_John C wrote: »

Should be interesting to see this vectoring in action. We will have 100Mb during the day and 1Mb - 4Mb in the evenings.

Why would we have that?

Are you getting slow speeds in the evenings?

_John C · 25-02-2014 2:21am

Yeah. I'm still on ADSL2+ , 15 Mb daytime and around 3 Mb in the evenings. I've read posts from people with Vdsl who are also suffering slow speeds in the evenings.

SpaceTime · 25-02-2014 2:26am

Seems to be specific regions though from that thread mostly SE areas.
Could be a fault that's reduced capacity across some route or something.

_John C · 25-02-2014 2:32am

I'm in the SE alright ( south Tipperary )

Cork981 · 25-02-2014 4:09am

domeld wrote: »

I have this same it went up to 20.5

Any chance of a screen shot of your stats page and firmware version ?

This looks interesting.

domeld · 25-02-2014 10:09am

Cork981 wrote: »

Any chance of a screen shot of your stats page and firmware version ?

This looks interesting.

See below

AlanS181824 · 25-02-2014 5:12pm

I'm in Carlow so hopefully Vectoring gets enabled for this area.

tdonegan1990 · 25-02-2014 8:16pm

Hi.
I've recently noticed on my eircom router page that my system uptime is different than my IPv4 uptime. Would this have anything to do with vectoring?

kingtiger · 25-02-2014 11:41pm

Bog Standard User wrote: »

been rolled on in parts of dublin this week

any idea of the areas where its rolling out?

dubmick · 27-02-2014 11:55pm

kingtiger wrote: »

any idea of the areas where its rolling out?

I know it's been enabled in Balbriggan

SpaceTime · 28-02-2014 1:29am

Definitely no change here in Cork (Wellington Road Exchange) yet anyway.

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 5 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.297 Mbps       41.116 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.956 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       16.6 dB            9.4 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.1 dBm          10.6 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.7 dBm          -9.1 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.8 dB           19.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     25.951 Mbps       59.620 Mbps
============================================================================

How does that compare to most?
It's a fairly mediocre line as I'm about 750-800m from the cabinet I think.

bloodyhawk · 28-02-2014 10:32am

Here is mine.

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 1 day: 21 hours: 43 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 71.812 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 71.672 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.1 dB 9.8 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 7 ms
Transmit Power: -13.6 dBm 11.1 dBm
Receive Power: -24.6 dBm -3.3 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 10.9 dB 14.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 32.816 Mbps 99.152 Mbps

When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

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