Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:25pm

seananigans wrote: »

Can we all agree to ignore/report the troll ?

Can you not argue with people who don't share your view?

doz · 16-08-2013 10:26pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Do you know how they organised the meeting?

Well there was a meeting held at 11am last Sunday morning at which 11 players from the entire panel were present. Absent players were contacted by phone to ascertain their vote. If you're going to hold a meeting at least have a quorem, notwithstanding the fact that the number in favour of his removal was far from unanimous. You might think this sort of behaviour is acceptable, and each to their own, but we have no chance of winning an AI with this sort of behaviour and we are the laughing stock of the country yet again.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:28pm

doz wrote: »

Well there was a meeting held at 11am last Sunday morning at which 11 players from the entire panel were present. Absent players were contacted by phone to ascertain their vote. If you're going to hold a meeting at least have a quorem, notwithstanding the fact that the number in favour of his removal was far from unanimous. You might think this sort of behaviour is acceptable, and each to their own, but we have no chance of winning an AI with this sort of behaviour and we are the laughing stock of the country yet again.

Yes and do you know how they organised the meeting? That was what you were cribbing about. We all know who turned up at the meeting.

chinguetti · 16-08-2013 10:30pm

Sid, another manager might have got them less wides or maybe more wides so blaming Ryan for the wides is a red herring. Some of the shot selection from daft angles isn't Ryan's fault, thats common sense from anyone on a pitch in either Gaelic Football or hurling at any grade.

And as for how they organised the meeting and how the players felt about his style of management, we don't know because the players haven't said a word. A few people have come on here and said they know whats going on in the camp but say no more. When asked, they vanish or tell us that Ryan was this and that but never give any hard examples. I'm not saying you are the same as those that went before.

The only, and i repeat only, people who can tell us what went on at training and at the meeting and the background to it are the players. And they need to release a statement about this to WLR or the newspapers in Waterford. Ryan has spoken, quiet well in my mind, where he was level handed. Each day that goes by, the players will lose face and support for their actions. The majority who post on this thread seem to be going against the players too in my eyes.

doz · 16-08-2013 10:31pm

sid wallace wrote: »

We beat Limerick every time we met them since 2001 and we beat Clare every time since 1998 (until this year). Last year was the first time Cork beat us since 2006. Of course we are as good as these counties - if we had a decent set up.

Anyone can trot out results from the past to try and justify an opinion on the present. I have been at every Championship game this season, 3 of the league games, the Munster Final and the the semi-final last week and the fact of the matter is that Cork, Limerick and Clare have been better than us this year, albeit not by a whole lot. If you disagree that's your business and as optimistic a fan as I am, I am clearly never going to rival your levels of optimism and expectations!

chinguetti · 16-08-2013 10:31pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Yes and do you know how they organised the meeting? That was what you were cribbing about. We all know who turned up at the meeting.

Again Sid, we don't until the players talk as its all rumour.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 10:31pm

doz wrote: »

Well there was a meeting held at 11am last Sunday morning at which 11 players from the entire panel were present. Absent players were contacted by phone to ascertain their vote. If you're going to hold a meeting at least have a quorem, notwithstanding the fact that the number in favour of his removal was far from unanimous. You might think this sort of behaviour is acceptable, and each to their own, but we have no chance of winning an AI with this sort of behaviour and we are the laughing stock of the country yet again.

Please ignore the troll comment and stop fuelling him, he'll go away be removed soon .

by now they know they did wrong time to man up in true Déise style

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:33pm

chinguetti wrote: »

Sid, another manager might have got them less wides or maybe more wides so blaming Ryan for the wides is a red herring. Some of the shot selection from daft angles isn't Ryan's fault, thats common sense from anyone on a pitch in either Gaelic Football or hurling at any grade.

And as for how they organised the meeting and how the players felt about his style of management, we don't know because the players haven't said a word. A few people have come on here and said they know whats going on in the camp but say no more. When asked, they vanish or tell us that Ryan was this and that but never give any hard examples. I'm not saying you are the same as those that went before.

The only, and i repeat only, people who can tell us what went on at training and at the meeting and the background to it are the players. And they need to release a statement about this to WLR or the newspapers in Waterford. Ryan has spoken, quiet well in my mind, where he was level handed. Each day that goes by, the players will lose face and support for their actions. The majority who post on this thread seem to be going against the players too in my eyes.

I would have thought that the players are doing Ryan a great service by saying nothing. Do we really want to get into what the Cork players had to say about Gerald Mc Carthy? I don't. They've made their point. That's enough for me.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:35pm

doz wrote: »

Anyone can trot out results from the past to try and justify an opinion on the present. I have been at every Championship game this season, 3 of the league games, the Munster Final and the the semi-final last week and the fact of the matter is that Cork, Limerick and Clare have been better than us this year, albeit not by a whole lot. If you disagree that's your business and as optimistic a fan as I am, I am clearly never going to rival your levels of optimism and expectations!

We left an All Ireland behind us this year. That's the reality.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:36pm

seananigans wrote: »

Please ignore the troll comment and stop fuelling him, he'll go away be removed soon .

by now they know they did wrong time to man up in true Déise style

Do you always react like this when people disagree with you?

Straight Talker · 16-08-2013 10:38pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Troll? Because I disagree with you?

Lookit. These players realise that they have been hobbled from the start of the year by having this chap in charge. If they didn't have this hopeless case running the team they would have had a once in a generation chance of winning an All Ireland. Instead three inferior outfits are battling it out for the big prize.

Did you ever ask yourself why Cody, JBM and Loughnane want Ryan to stay on? Because they want to hold Waterford back that's why.

Cork beat Waterford in the league and championship last year and they drew with Waterford in the league this year.I also think Cork Clare Limerick and Dublin have better forwards than Waterford but that's not the point.Would you be saying the disgraceful things that you are saying right now about Michael Ryan if Waterford beat Kilkenny this year?But yeah let's get rid of Michael Ryan and come next year they will be parading the McCarthy cup down the quay and the mall in Waterford City next september and for every other september after that just like what they do in Kilkenny nearly every year!

doz · 16-08-2013 10:38pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Yes and do you know how they organised the meeting? That was what you were cribbing about. We all know who turned up at the meeting.

Well if we got some explanation from the people involved we might have a better opportunity to discuss it but the silence is deafening but I suppose that is acceptable to you too, call a meeting to remove a manager, not get even half the panel to turn up and then stay completely silent in the aftermath. Hardly an illustration of the moral courage you referred to previously. All we have to rely on is rumours which are getting more and more damning each day.

At this stage I would love some clarification from some of the players as I find myself unintentionally turning against some of them in my head.

doz · 16-08-2013 10:40pm

sid wallace wrote: »

We left an All Ireland behind us this year. That's the reality.

I don't think you'll find another person in the country who believes that, fair play to you for your optimism though!!!

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:41pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

Cork beat Waterford in the league and championship last year and they drew with Waterford in the league this year.I also think Cork Clare Limerick and Dublin have better forwards than Waterford but that's not the point.Would you be saying the disgraceful things that you are saying right now about Michael Ryan if Waterford beat Kilkenny this year?But yeah let's get rid of Michael Ryan and come next year they will be parading the McCarthy cup down the quay and the mall in Waterford City next september and for every other september after that just like what they do in Kilkenny nearly every year!

What did I say about Ryan that's disgraceful?

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:41pm

doz wrote: »

I don't think you'll find another person in the country who believes that, fair play to you for your optimism though!!!

You'll find plenty. We should have beaten KK out the gate.

chinguetti · 16-08-2013 10:42pm

sid wallace wrote: »

I would have thought that the players are doing Ryan a great service by saying nothing. Do we really want to get into what the Cork players had to say about Gerald Mc Carthy? I don't. They've made their point. That's enough for me.

They only people they are doing a service to is a diservice to everyone involved and with an ounce of love for Waterford GAA by their antics.

And if Ryan was as bad as we've all heard but no one has yet given any hard examples, why in the name of Christmas, will the players not speak?

seananigans · 16-08-2013 10:42pm

doz wrote: »

Anyone can trot out results from the past to try and justify an opinion on the present. I have been at every Championship game this season, 3 of the league games, the Munster Final and the the semi-final last week and the fact of the matter is that Cork, Limerick and Clare have been better than us this year, albeit not by a whole lot. If you disagree that's your business and as optimistic a fan as I am, I am clearly never going to rival your levels of optimism and expectations!

You are only as goo as your last performance how we did oin 1998 has no bearing on how we do today ,while we might have a rich history, we are owed nothing and deserve nothing we have to be the best, scully is the best we can get right now at least, one puck of the ball and we beat KK ifor the first time in 54 years, to boil him down to 30 seconds form greatness is a joke.

we are great, whether we have success or not, because we have passion that is all that truly matters

Straight Talker · 16-08-2013 10:46pm

sid wallace wrote: »

What did I say about Ryan that's disgraceful?

Waterford were a puck of the ball away from beating Kilkenny and Michael Ryan was inches away from being the first Waterford manager to beat Kilkenny since John Keane in 1959.There's a fine margin between being a hero and the most useless gobsh!te going if your posts are anything to go by!

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:49pm

seananigans wrote: »

You are only as goo as your last performance how we did oin 1998 has no bearing on how we do today ,while we might have a rich history, we are owed nothing and deserve nothing we have to be the best, scully is the best we can get right now at least, one puck of the ball and we beat KK ifor the first time in 54 years, to boil him down to 30 seconds form greatness is a joke.

we are great, whether we have success or not, because we have passion that is all that truly matters

If Scully Ryanis the best we can get we may throw our hats at it. Galway(who we've never lost to) Dublin ( who we are better than) and Cork(who a procession of decent managers made us realise we were better than) all beat Kilkenny in the last year. Why are we clapping ourselves on the back for not beating them?

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:50pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

Waterford were a puck of the ball away from beating Kilkenny and Michael Ryan was inches away from being the first Waterford manager to beat Kilkenny since John Keane in 1959.There's a fine margin between being a hero and the most useless gobsh!te going if your posts are anything to go by!

Yes he failed.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 10:52pm

please remove this troll

Straight Talker · 16-08-2013 10:54pm

sid wallace wrote: »

If Scully Ryanis the best we can get we may throw our hats at it. Galway(who we've never lost to) Dublin ( who we are better than) and Cork(who a procession of decent managers made us realise we were better than) all beat Kilkenny in the last year. Why are we clapping ourselves on the back for not beating them?

Again Cork are unbeaten against Waterford in their last three matches including two league matches and the championship last year.Waterfords forwards are not as good as Corks Limericks and Clares and the performances this year would back up that theory.Waterford do have some promising forwards but they weren't quite ready for championship hurling this year.

doz · 16-08-2013 10:54pm

seananigans wrote: »

please remove this troll

Am starting to suspect this may be another re-incarnation of a former poster!

Straight Talker · 16-08-2013 10:55pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Yes he failed.

There's no point in me arguing with you anymore!

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 10:58pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

Again Cork are unbeaten against Waterford in their last three matches including two league matches and the championship last year.Waterfords forwards are not as good as Corks Limericks and Clares and the performances this year would back up that theory.Waterford do have some promising forwards but they weren't quite ready for championship hurling this year.

Well maybe if the manager had the confidence of the best forwards in the county we would have better forwards than the counties you refer to.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:01pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

Waterford were a puck of the ball away from beating Kilkenny and Michael Ryan was inches away from being the first Waterford manager to beat Kilkenny since John Keane in 1959.There's a fine margin between being a hero and the most useless gobsh!te going if your posts are anything to go by!

We are not Kilkenny ,we never will be I hope not anyway, turning up for finals only ? blowing out cody for having a tough year ? I hope that type of behaviour is never seen south of the suire

OFC we want to win ,and when it happens it'll be 10 times all off KK/Tipps?cork's wins together

but im just happy to have a team with our pluck, our fight, our determination ,what has upset me more than anything ,is that the values i associate with my home has been eroded by a group of players who will be quickly forgotten as a dark chapter if they get their own way .

I went to the last match in thurles and was beaming with pride,because we lost like men (instead of winning poorly) and my father echoed my sentiments in saying he felt pride to be represented like that.

my father was around 12 the last time we did it, and held the trophy 2 days later in frankie welschs house, being his senior clubmate , in a time you listened on the radio and even being in the presence of liam was not worth a photo.

after all the years of waiting if he can accept our year and be proud, I know I am

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:03pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

There's no point in me arguing with you anymore!

can we please continue to report this individual until they are removed, even if they are from Waterford they do not represent Waterford , like a kk supporter from ferrybank

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:06pm

seananigans wrote: »

We are not Kilkenny ,we never will be I hope not anyway, turning up for finals only ? blowing out cody for having a tough year ? I hope that type of behaviour is never seen south of the suire

OFC we want to win ,and when it happens it'll be 10 times all off KK/Tipps?cork's wins together

but im just happy to have a team with our pluck, our fight, our determination ,what has upset me more than anything ,is that the values i associate with my home has been eroded by a group of players who will be quickly forgotten as a dark chapter if they get their own way .

I went to the last match in thurles and was beaming with pride,because we lost like men (instead of winning poorly) and my father echoed my sentiments in saying he felt pride to be represented like that.

my father was around 12 the last time we did it, and held the trophy 2 days later in frankie welschs house, being his senior clubmate , in a time you listened on the radio and even being in the presence of liam was not worth a photo.

after all the years of waiting if he can accept our year and be proud, I know I am

What a crock of defeatist nonsense. No wonder we win nothing.

Straight Talker · 16-08-2013 11:08pm

seananigans wrote: »

We are not Kilkenny ,we never will be I hope not anyway, turning up for finals only ? blowing out cody for having a tough year ? I hope that type of behaviour is never seen south of the suire

OFC we want to win ,and when it happens it'll be 10 times all off KK/Tipps?cork's wins together

but im just happy to have a team with our pluck, our fight, our determination ,what has upset me more than anything ,is that the values i associate with my home has been eroded by a group of players who will be quickly forgotten as a dark chapter if they get their own way .

I went to the last match in thurles and was beaming with pride,because we lost like men (instead of winning poorly) and my father echoed my sentiments in saying he felt pride to be represented like that.

my father was around 12 the last time we did it, and held the trophy 2 days later in frankie welschs house, being his senior clubmate , in a time you listened on the radio and even being in the presence of liam was not worth a photo.

after all the years of waiting if he can accept our year and be proud, I know I am

All i ask from the players that go out and represent my club and county is that they go out and do their best and give a good account of themselves and anything else after that is a bonus.This fella that is slating Michael Ryan seems to think that Waterford have a devine right to win all irelands.Waterford Cork and Kilkenny have no right to anything.All irelands are the results of years of hard work and application and a little bit of luck on the way.

doz · 16-08-2013 11:11pm

sid wallace wrote: »

What a crock of defeatist nonsense. No wonder we win nothing.

We have won nothing because we haven't been good enough, with the possible exception of 2007. I think most decent Waterford fans would accept that. I am really intrigued by where you have pulled this idea that we should have won an AI this year from, it's one of the oddest posts I've seen on here.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:14pm

Straight Talker wrote: »

All i ask from the players that go out and represent my club and county is that they go out and do their best and give a good account of themselves and anything else after that is a bonus.This fella that is slating Michael Ryan seems to think that Waterford have a devine right to win all irelands.Waterford Cork and Kilkenny have no right to anything.All irelands are the results of years of hard work and application and a little bit of luck on the way.

We have no divine right to win an All Ireland. But we would have had a genuine chance of winning one this year if we had a proper manager

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:15pm

doz wrote: »

We have won nothing because we haven't been good enough, with the possible exception of 2007. I think most decent Waterford fans would accept that. I am really intrigued by where you have pulled this idea that we should have won an AI this year from, it's one of the oddest posts I've seen on here.

STOP.FEEDING.THE.TROLL

Please respond to none of this individuals arguments and report everything they write

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:16pm

doz wrote: »

We have won nothing because we haven't been good enough, with the possible exception of 2007. I think most decent Waterford fans would accept that. I am really intrigued by where you have pulled this idea that we should have won an AI this year from, it's one of the oddest posts I've seen on here.

Do you genuinely think we are inferior to the rest of the teams left inthe championship?

doz · 16-08-2013 11:20pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Do you genuinely think we are inferior to the rest of the teams left in the championship?

I genuinely think that we are short in the forwards compared to the remaining counties. We are missing a top quality centre forward, a full forward and at least one corner forward. This is borne out by the scores put up by those counties and the scores we have been putting up. That does not mean we won't improve for next year but those are the facts as it stands. We simply shoot too many silly wides and that is not down to Michael Ryan or the management team.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:22pm

doz wrote: »

I genuinely think that we are short in the forwards compared to the remaining counties. We are missing a top quality centre forward, a full forward and at least one corner forward. This is borne out by the scores put up by those counties and the scores we have been putting up. That does not mean we won't improve for next year but those are the facts as it stands. We simply shoot too many silly wides and that is not down to Michael Ryan or the management team.

And what if Mullane and Molumphy were playing?

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:23pm

doz wrote: »

I genuinely think that we are short in the forwards compared to the remaining counties. We are missing a top quality centre forward, a full forward and at least one corner forward. This is borne out by the scores put up by those counties and the scores we have been putting up. That does not mean we won't improve for next year but those are the facts as it stands. We simply shoot too many silly wides and that is not down to Michael Ryan or the management team.

why are you feeding the troll?

Motivator · 16-08-2013 11:24pm

sid wallace wrote: »

Do you not think that if they had a proper coach they may have hit less wides? No?

What a ridiculous comment, these players are on the Waterford panel because they're the best players in the county. Michael Ryan's job is to pick the best players available to him, against Clare he did that & yet you're blaming him because the players he picked couldn't score on the day? What a bull**** argument. Against Clare it just didn't happen on the day for Waterford, & I suppose you're going to blame Michael Ryan for Moran's U12 primary game type error that led to the 2nd Clare goal are you?

albert kidd · 16-08-2013 11:25pm

doz wrote: »

I genuinely think that we are short in the forwards compared to the remaining counties. We are missing a top quality centre forward, a full forward and at least one corner forward. This is borne out by the scores put up by those counties and the scores we have been putting up. That does not mean we won't improve for next year but those are the facts as it stands. We simply shoot too many silly wides and that is not down to Michael Ryan or the management team.

we are no worse then clare in the forwards imo doz.

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:25pm

seananigans wrote: »

why are you feeding the troll?

Why can't you engage with someone who holds a contrary opinion.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:28pm

Motivator wrote: »

What a ridiculous comment, these players are on the Waterford panel because they're the best players in the county. Michael Ryan's job is to pick the best players available to him, against Clare he did that & yet you're blaming him because the players he picked couldn't score on the day? What a bull**** argument. Against Clare it just didn't happen on the day for Waterford, & I suppose you're going to blame Michael Ryan for Moran's U12 primary game type error that led to the 2nd Clare goal are you?

What part of Troll and stop feeding do you people not understand ?

doz · 16-08-2013 11:28pm

sid wallace wrote: »

And what if Mullane and Molumphy were playing?

All ifs and buts, they chose to make themselves unavailable, but I suppose Molumphy being on Army duty was Ryan's fault as well? Molumphy, while a great player, is not a scorer and is best placed at midfield IMO.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:31pm

doz wrote: »

All ifs and buts, they chose to make themselves unavailable, but I suppose Molumphy being on Army duty was Ryan's fault as well? Molumphy, while a great player, is not a scorer and is best placed at midfield IMO.

FFS are you deaf blind? please stop reacting to this individual !

doz · 16-08-2013 11:32pm

albert kidd wrote: »

we are no worse then clare in the forwards imo doz.

I would have held that view after we played them but having seen them against Galway and some of them in the under 21 game I would say that they are a little bit ahead of us. Honan has really come on this year and Kelly and Podge Collins are a joy to watch. But I expect Jake Dillon, Gavin O'Brien, Brian O'Halloran and Jamie Barron will make a big step up next year with the experience of this year, albeit somewhat limited in O'Halloran's case due to his injuries. I would also hope that Paudie Mahony can put his injuries behind him and return to his 2011 form.

doz · 16-08-2013 11:34pm

seananigans wrote: »

FFS are you deaf blind? please stop reacting to this individual !

While I don't agree with a lot of what he has written, i don't consider it trolling and he is not likely to be subject to any action based on anything he was written so far IMO.

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:36pm

doz wrote: »

While I don't agree with a lot of what he has written, i don't consider it trolling and he is not likely to be subject to any action based on anything he was written so far IMO.

and if you dont react to his BS he will go away ,so please stop reacting

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:37pm

seananigans wrote: »

FFS are you deaf blind? please stop reacting to this individual !

Do you always react like this when someone disagrees with you ?

sid wallace · 16-08-2013 11:41pm

doz wrote: »

All ifs and buts, they chose to make themselves unavailable, but I suppose Molumphy being on Army duty was Ryan's fault as well? Molumphy, while a great player, is not a scorer and is best placed at midfield IMO.

I don't think Molumphy had any major issues being released from military duties under previous managements.

Mountainlad · 16-08-2013 11:42pm

sid wallace wrote: »

I don't think Molumphy had any major issues being released from military duties under previous managements.

Yeah the army just didn't like Michael Ryan, that's why they sent him to the Lebanon :rolleyes:

Liberty Way · 16-08-2013 11:42pm

All ye Waterford hurling fans in the know is there any truth in Mullane sustaining a serious injury this evening in the game v Lismore???:eek: :eek:

seananigans · 16-08-2013 11:44pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah the army just didn't like Michael Ryan, that's why they sent him to the Lebanon :rolleyes:

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STOP FEEDING THE ****ING TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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