Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

mysterious · 27-04-2009 11:19pm

bonkey wrote: »

I don't see the relevance to this thread. I was adding detail to the somewhat inaccurate claim that Rumsfeld bought shares in "Tamiflu" (which is a product, not a company).

I don't see what the problem is. None of this seems to contradict what I said...and only serves to bring us further away from the fact that the point I was addressing was inaccurate.

If Rumsfeld is so obviously guilty, then there's no need to misconstrue facts. He didn't "buy shares in Tamiflu". He invested in a tech company long before they had Tamiflu.

Yes, but Bonkey it's Donalds Rumsfield, he seems to be in every conspiracy these days.

I just got the f**** chills when I seen him on t.v Sept 10th 2001, when I seen planes and rise in millitary spending I knew something bad was going to happen. No i didn't predict 9/11.

But Donalds Rumsfield is a wretching parasite. He is just a creep, I'm not surprised hes tied to this or mentioned as a result.

nodolan · 27-04-2009 11:22pm

So what exactly is the difference in owning shares in a company and owning shares in a company that produces Tamiflu (well it actually licenses the production to Roche).

The point isn't that he invested in a company long before they had Tamiflu (we don't actually know when they 'knew' they had Tamiflu BTW, they may have had it in a crude form back in the 80s) - the point is that he profited immensely not long after he became director of the company and the federal government that he was a part of was one of the biggest purchasers of Tamiflu (and the biggest fear monger regarding Avian Flu) and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.

nodolan · 27-04-2009 11:28pm

And again I repeat this point - the WHO, mostly controlled by US interests (placed there by GWB and his cronies) - is promoting Tamiflu as the most effective drug against this 'new' flu yet the Canadian government has said that it may actually make things worse as it is vulnerable (by its construction) to making the virus immune to it.

nyarlothothep · 27-04-2009 11:31pm

Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.

King Mob · 27-04-2009 11:38pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.

Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.

nyarlothothep · 27-04-2009 11:40pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.

The timing has worked out.

mysterious · 27-04-2009 11:41pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.

Seems like the elite are a bunch of self interest mobs with the only interest of creatinf fear.

Debunks the whle notion of what a leader is these days, leaders spread fear now. So oblivian, they tell you something bad is going to happen, and then do nothing about it in all the time they knew.

Its madness.:mad:

mysterious · 27-04-2009 11:43pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.

and ding dong , its fits saddle on the donkey, what else do you expect. Tell everyone what it was, god KM seriousy think about what you just wrote.

nyarlothothep · 27-04-2009 11:45pm

2012, its going to be first contact or something similarly big. We're nearing it now. Expect more craziness.

6th · 27-04-2009 11:46pm

Ok so if he knew why then would he predict it rather than just annouce it and give people a chance to protect themselves?

If he really knew them he seems to just want to get people to think he's great rather than actually make a difference?

King Mob · 27-04-2009 11:47pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

The timing has worked out.

But not any of the specifics and no specific date. Imagine that.

And theres the problem with him revealing the super secret plot.
You'd think it's the one thing he wouldn't say on TV.

nodolan · 27-04-2009 11:48pm

The bottom line here is that it is not in the interests of major pharmaceutical companies to actually make us well - they would go out of business. In fact many of these companies have subsidiary companies that produce drugs to counter the side effects of their parent company's products.

Trastuzumab (Herceptin) is a prime example - when the pharma company funding the research realised the knock on effects of a possible cure (not just a treatment) for breast cancer they pulled out (though they kept the rights) and Dr. Slamon pursued his research with private funding. The drug was eventually marketed by the same big pharma company who have priced it beyond the reach of most ordinary people. There's even a movie about it called Living Proof.

Is it really that big a stretch of the imagination to consider that a man who worked for and has a multi million dollar investment in a pharma company and who then goes on to have access to classified military research on bio weapons might actually share some of those secrets with the company he worked for?

Is it really beyond our wildest imagination that a giant pharma company desperate for profits might actually release a laboratory created chimera to which only it has a possible cure?

Is it impossible for us to conceive the thought that governments might actually have an agenda that involves killing, maiming or testing bio weapons on their own citizens? The Japanese did it on the Chinese in WWII, the Nazi's did it. Many US states and some european countries had eugenic programs up until recently, some still have the legal framework on their books.

Orwell wrote of these things both as a fictional exercise and in more serious sociological essays.

nyarlothothep · 27-04-2009 11:48pm

6th wrote: »

Ok so if he knew why then would he predict it rather than just annouce it and give people a chance to protect themselves?

If he really knew them he seems to just want to get people to think he's great rather than actually make a difference?

precisely

nyarlothothep · 27-04-2009 11:51pm

King Mob wrote: »

But not any of the specifics and no specific date. Imagine that.

And theres the problem with him revealing the super secret plot.
You'd think it's the one thing he wouldn't say on TV.

ah but he did. He said 5-6 months, which is specific enough and lo and behold look what we have now.

King Mob · 27-04-2009 11:57pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

ah but he did. He said 5-6 months, which is specific enough and lo and behold look what we have now.

So all that planing and Joe Biden ****s up the one thing he was to do.
Don't mention the secret plot.

And 5-6 months is specific?

Wow, you're easily convinced.

nyarlothothep · 28-04-2009 12:04am

King Mob wrote: »

So all that planing and Joe Biden ****s up the one thing he was to do.
Don't mention the secret plot.

And 5-6 months is specific?

Wow, you're easily convinced.

it was deliberate. He was implanting a suggestion.

King Mob · 28-04-2009 12:07am

nyarlothothep wrote: »

it was deliberate. He was implanting a suggestion.

A suggestion for what?
And how do you know what his intention was?

mysterious · 28-04-2009 12:11am

King Mob wrote: »

A suggestion for what?
And how do you know what his intention was?

KM its simple....

Suggestion, intentions and all has leads to one goal or agenda.

Leaders do it for all sorts of reason. more along the lines of just creating the reality they want. You dont have to know every detail.

Don't think Ive told you yet, try and be more aware of the suble realities of life. It will become more appearent as times goes on. Trust it.

6th · 28-04-2009 12:14am

Mysterious, try cut back on the preaching please or post it in the spirituality forum.

A Primal Nut · 28-04-2009 12:20am

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.

you appear to though, why?

There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?

Eh? Did Obama have the flu in his hand when he shook hands with the guy? I don't believe he would die that quickly either.

nyarlothothep · 28-04-2009 12:37am

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/apr2209swine.html

paragraph 3:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced yesterday that two children in southern California fell ill in late March with what turned out to be swine flu infections. Both of the children recovered, and neither was hospitalized."

nodolan · 28-04-2009 8:14am

The BBC (Radio 4 at 8:13am) has just reported that the Indonesian government has publicly stated that they believe the virus in Mexico is man-made.

Indonesian minister says swine flu could be man-made

Agence France-Presse | 04/28/2009 3:22 PM

JAKARTA - Indonesian Heath Minister Siti Fadilah Supari said Tuesday the deadly swine flu virus could have been man-made, as she urged calm over its spread around the world.

The controversial minister did not elaborate but in the past she has said Western governments could be making and spreading viruses in the developing world to boost pharmaceutical companies' profits.

"I'm not sure whether the virus was genetically engineered but it's a possibility," she told reporters at a press conference called to reassure the public over the government's response to the swine flu threat.

No cases of the disease have been reported in Indonesia, the country worst hit by the bird flu virus which has killed about 250 people worldwide since 2003.

Indonesian authorities have increased body temperature scanners at airports and banned imports of live pigs and pork products, amid World Health Organisation (WHO) warnings of a pandemic.

Supari, a cardiologist, also claimed that the H1N1 strain of swine flu, which is believed to have killed more than 150 people in Mexico, could not survive in tropical countries like Indonesia.

"We have to be alert at all times although swine flu in Indonesia is not a cause for panic," she said.

"H1N1 survives in countries with four seasons. The type A H1N1 virus hopefully won't be able to sustain itself once it enters the tropical climate of Indonesia," she added.

The virus has been found in 11 countries including Mexico, the United States and Spain, while several other countries from Colombia to New Zealand are investigating suspected cases.

Supari said the health ministry had prepared 100 hospitals to handle swine flu cases should the disease enter Indonesia.

The minister has refused since 2006 to share all but a handful of Indonesia's bird flu virus samples with WHO researchers, saying the system is being abused by rich countries to develop profitable vaccines which poor countries must buy.

as of 04/28/2009 3:22 PM

humanji · 28-04-2009 10:04am

One minister, who is paranoid about rich countries making money off of vaccines said that there's a possibility that the virus was man made.

6th · 28-04-2009 10:19am

humanji wrote: »

You should work for the Sun.

Attack the post not the poster.

nodolan · 28-04-2009 11:23am

...advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000

blackgold>> · 28-04-2009 2:04pm

This could be confirmed in ireland today.

meglome · 28-04-2009 2:09pm

nodolan wrote: »

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000

It's amazing this document appears to prove about 15 different CT's. It's like a magic document or somesuch.

Run_to_da_hills · 29-04-2009 12:46am

As swine flu continues to take its toll, claims surface that the deadly four-part flu virus could have been created for "bio-terror attacks."

Speaking at a conference to reassure the public over hers government's response to the swine flu threat, Indonesian Heath Minister Siti Fadilah Supari said Tuesday that the controversial virus could have been man-made.

She declined to elaborate on her claim but she had previously accused Western governments of making and spreading viruses in the developing world to boost pharmaceutical companies' profits, AFP reported

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=92794&sectionid=3510212

nodolan · 07-05-2009 11:57pm

US braces for 'bio-Katrina'

By Rik Myslewski in San Francisco

Posted in Security, 7th May 2009 18:54 GMT

President Obama has nominated a tough-talking bioterrorism expert to lead the primary research and development arm of the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

DHS Secretary Janet Napalitano announced Obama's choice of Dr. Tara O’Toole to be Under Secretary, Directorate for Science and Technology, calling O'Toole "an expert on environmental protection and biosecurity."
We don't know about the environmental protection part of that statement, but O'Toole has certainly made her opinions clear about bioterrorism.

In her most-recent position as founder, CEO, and director of the Center for Biosecurity at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, O'Toole described her organization as follows: "We try to think through the nature of big disasters, with a particular emphasis on bioterrorism attacks and epidemics."

In a March interview (audio) with Federal News Radio, O'Toole was asked what she would tell President Obama if she had the chance. Her reply: "There is a possibility, a real possibility, that there could be the equivalent of a bio-Katrina on his watch."

And that wouldn't be pleasant, she continued: "There are very few things that could actually rock the United States, destabilize the country, and a big bioterrorist attack...or an epidemic such as a pandemic flu episode would be on that list of horrible things that could happen."

When asked about her opinion of someone who had suggested that a bioterrorist attack couldn't be carried out by an independent group, she said: "I would guess that that individual has no background in biology. The Defense Science Board said in 2000 that there are no technical barriers to small groups, unsupported by a nation-state, making and dispensing a biological weapon."

The belief that bioterror could only be state-sponsored, O'Toole said, "reflects not just that individual's lack of understanding of bioscience, but it also reflects the lack of bioscience backgrounds among people doing national security and high-level policy - which is a problem."

Apparently Obama believes that it's time for someone with a bioscience background to direct high-level national-security policy on bioterrorism.

The Under Secretary for the DHS's Directorate for Science and Technology chosen by former president George W. Bush, by the way, was a retired US Navy Rear Admiral, Jay Cohen, whose background included Ocean and Marine Engineering and Naval Architecture.

Nothing personal, Admiral Cohen, but we welcome the new bio-babe.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/janet_otoole/

meglome · 08-05-2009 2:20am

Saw this today. Slightly off topic

Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

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