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Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

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    #62
    Sofa_King Good
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    What actually happened was Bush give them super serum turning them all into supersoldiers. And to cover up this they spread the rumour these soldiers were dead.

    Bet I have more evidence than you.

    Must have gone back in time then, the outbreak was in 1918.


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    #63
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    Must have gone back in time then, the outbreak was in 1918.
    So not backing up your claim then?


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    #64
    Sofa_King Good
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    nodolan wrote: »
    it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.
    what he said
    King Mob wrote: »
    So not backing up your claim then?
    which one?


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    #65
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    which one?
    That Spanish flu was caused by force vaccinations. And that some of those soldiers dropped dead immediately.


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    #66
    Sofa_King Good
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Do you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?

    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.

    you appear to though, why?

    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?


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    #67
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.
    Care to elaborate that or back it up?
    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    you appear to though, why?
    Usually the government doesn't rely on bad logic to make up for lack of evidence.
    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?
    The flu maybe?
    Is the only explanation that it's a conspiracy of some kind?


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    #68
    nodolan
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.

    you appear to though, why?

    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?
    It does occur to me that this is a great way to combat the crime and drugs issues 'plaguing' Mexico. ;)

    p.s. You really are wasting your time with that other guy (and a few others) as they'll just keep saying the same stuff over and over again and never fully address anything you say. Death by a thousand paper cuts. But it's your life so...


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    #69
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »

    p.s. You really are wasting your time with that other guy (and a few others) as they'll just keep saying the same stuff over and over again and never fully address anything you say. Death by a thousand paper cuts. But it's your life so...
    That's right backing up your claims is completely unimportant as long as there's a conspiracy.

    Never question the conspiracy.


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    #70
    bonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.

    Infracted


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    #71
    Sofa_King Good
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Care to elaborate that or back it up?

    http://www.rense.com/general45/USvaccinescaused.htm
    King Mob wrote: »
    Usually the government doesn't rely on bad logic to make up for lack of evidence.

    Usually? care to omit the "usually" or retract that statement because as is it means fect all
    King Mob wrote: »
    Is the only explanation that it's a conspiracy of some kind?

    Nope. As I said there is nothing abnormal as of yet.

    But start looking at the big picture, think about all the micro-biologists that have died in strange circumanstances in the last 10 years.
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deadbiologists.html

    Think of "I am a Zionist" Biden's projections of Obama's big test. When is his 100th day in office again?


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    #72
    nodolan
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    bonkey wrote: »
    Infracted

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    #73
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    http://www.rense.com/general45/USvaccinescaused.htm
    First major problem for this, linking an increase in typhoid during a war to vaccines.
    Typhoid is a completely disease to the flu, and is transmitted by unsanitary conditions. It has nothing to do with the vaccines.
    This article is confusing correlation and causation.
    Also the link leads to a site promoting homeopathy, so obviously the site is too big on science.

    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    Usually? care to omit the "usually" or retract that statement because as is it means fect all
    No because there are tons of times the government uses bad logic.
    Most of the time they don't and they usually have the evidence to back them up.
    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    Nope. As I said there is nothing abnormal as of yet.
    And what lead you to believe there be something abnormal.
    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    But start looking at the big picture, think about all the micro-biologists that have died in strange circumanstances in the last 10 years.
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deadbiologists.html
    I think this came up before.

    But looking at the list to verify the cause of death we get only get two that weren't from conspiracy sites:
    Don C. Wiley: Accident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_C._Wiley
    Vladimir Pasechnik: Stroke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Pasechnik

    And this is even before looking into the actual work they where doing.

    I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a list of dentists with similar "suspicious deaths."
    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    Think of "I am a Zionist" Biden's projections of Obama's big test. When is his 100th day in office again?
    The crazy Biden giving away the NWO secret plans. But luckily he was very vague so his "prediction" could have been applied to anything.


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    #74
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    Totally worth it. :D

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    Who's teaching the doctors? Drug firms sponsor required courses - and see their sales rise
    by Dan Vergano, USA Today (March 9, 2000)

    http://www.pharmadisclose.org/cme/ut000309.html

    That's right making profit makes you evil and the only explanation is that it's a conspiracy.
    But remember 5 dollars off new customers at iherb!


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    #75
    Sofa_King Good
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    okay, KM neither of us can conlusively prove our sides.

    I am open minden either way, as is Indonesia's Health Minister who accused the US of having intentions to use bird flu samples to create a biological weapon.

    But hypothetically speaking, if there has to be large scale quarantines of sufferers. How do you think this would be enforced?


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    #76
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    okay, KM neither of us can conlusively prove our sides.

    I am open minden either way, as is Indonesia's Health Minister who accused the US of having intentions to use bird flu samples to create a biological weapon.
    I am open minded, I just need some decent proof first.

    Sofa_King Good wrote: »
    But hypothetically speaking, if there has to be large scale quarantines of sufferers. How do you think this would be enforced?
    But large scale quarantines are unlikely especially given the relatively small number of cases and
    the effectiveness of vaccination programes.


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    #77
    Kernel
    Registered Users Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    King Mob wrote: »
    I am open minded, I just need some decent proof first.

    No you're not.


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    #78
    mysterious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kernel wrote: »
    No you're not.

    lmao.. I've said it before, KM why do you just sit there all the time waitng for other people to prove things all the time, You never actually show your own research. And In all the time I'm here, Ive never even seen you have any energy to actually give evidence against someone in order to prove something.

    This is something I haven't seen in other conspiracy forums, I know alot of people would get rightly pissed off after a while constantly having to back up every single word, even the obvious. Even STILL, you'd say oh thats not enough. lol/ Pricesless I tell ya.

    Not everything in life can be proven, not everthing in science can prove what is. Science cannot prove why we exist. Evidence can be given to a theory, But since it's a theory it has still to be proven for either argument.

    If there were proof about bird flu and all the jazz that came with it, the governmetns and secret coporations would be found out. They create this in secret.

    Thats the whole idea of a secret.

    I'm still luahging at him saying open minded though.


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    #79
    J_Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭J_Kerr


    mysterious wrote: »
    lmao.. I've said it before, KM why do you just sit there all the time waitng for other people to prove things all the time, You never actually show your own research. And In all the time I'm here, Ive never even seen you have any energy to actually give evidence against someone in order to prove something.

    This is something I haven't seen in other conspiracy forums, I know alot of people would get rightly pissed off after a while constantly having to back up every single word, even the obvious. Even STILL, you'd say oh thats not enough. lol/ Pricesless I tell ya.

    Not everything in life can be proven, not everthing in science can prove what is. Science cannot prove why we exist. Evidence can be given to a theory, But since it's a theory it has still to be proven for either argument.

    If there were proof about bird flu and all the jazz that came with it, the governmetns and secret coporations would be found out. They create this in secret.

    Thats the whole idea of a secret.

    I'm still luahging at him saying open minded though.

    You can be open minded to the point your brain falls out.


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    #80
    6th
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    #81
    King Mob
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    Still waiting for any evidence or reasoning to show that this flu was made by the NWO.

    All I see is a lot of hand waving and jumping to the conclusion.


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    #82
    Iang87
    Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Iang87


    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu. Just read on wiki there it sort of is but like no1 can trust wiki you know.

    I'm asking cos it goes hand in hand with the thread title


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    #83
    Kernel
    Registered Users Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Iang87 wrote: »
    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu. Just read on wiki there it sort of is but like no1 can trust wiki you know.

    I'm asking cos it goes hand in hand with the thread title

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1

    Ask yourself the question what is the HIV virus and you'll have some good fun. Start reading here:

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59990/pg1

    and

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59987/pg1


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    #84
    [Deleted User]
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    Donald Rumsfeld made a killing on buying shares in...Tamiflu.:D


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    #85
    bonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Iang87 wrote: »
    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu.

    I guess that depends on what you mean by "a hybrid".

    As far as I'm aware, all of the publically-available information at the moment says that the current H1N1 swine flu has genetic material from both avian and human influenza virii.

    Note that "avian flu" is a classification of influenza, and is not necessarily the H5N1 strain that has been making headlines these past few years (although I don't rule out that it is this). From what I've been reading, the outbreak in Mexico is what's called a "reassortment" of various A-strain H1N1 virii...predominantly swine, but also human and avian. If that's accurate, then there is no connection to the H5N1 avian flu.


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    #86
    nodolan
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Donald Rumsfeld made a killing on buying shares in...Tamiflu.:D
    Yes he did:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-rumsfeld-makes-5m-killing-on-bird-flu-drug-469599.html

    Of course there's no grounds for conspiracy there - it's sheer coincidence. Just like the best way to test new weapons is to have a war in which to test them - no government would ever actually cause a war to do such a thing...would they?


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    #87
    bonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Yes he did:

    Gilead was formed in 1987, and Rumsfeld was on the board by 1988.
    Tamiflu wasn't invented until several years later.

    It would be more accurate to say that Rumsfeld made a killing by having a significant investment in the company that went on to develop and license Tamiflu.


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    #88
    nodolan
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite its publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    edit: Oh, 'coincidentally' Rumsfeld became the Chair of the board of Gilead in...guess the year...that's right...1997 - same year as the PNAC statement.


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    #89
    mysterious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    nodolan wrote: »
    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite it's publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    Usually one coincidence leads to another.


    Do we take note of them or do we keep dismissing, oh it's just another coincidence.

    Is there something grey we never learn. Is there something in black and white we never dicern. Is there nothing else to turn?

    If there is nothing else, we will just burn.


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    #90
    nodolan
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Here's another coincidence:

    http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/04/20/flu-pandemic-stockpile.html
    Tamiflu resistance prompts Canada to change drugs in pandemic stockpile
    Last Updated: Monday, April 20, 2009

    Canada will adjust the mix of antiviral drugs in an emergency pandemic stockpile this year, a response to concerns over the vulnerability of the main drug in the arsenal, Tamiflu, to the development of viral resistance.

    So Tamiflu may actually make things worse.

    Not to mention the possible side-effects of Tamiflu (from the FDA website):

    # Roche and FDA informed healthcare professionals of neuropsychiatric events associated with the use of Tamiflu, in patients with influenza. (Posted 3/4/2008)
    # Postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and delirium with the use of Tamiflu in patients with influenza. (Posted 11/13/2006)

    So if the flu doesn't kill you, you might kill yourself anyway. It's interesting that the FDA website gives extremely detailed info to medical practitioners regarding the side-effects of Tamflu but on their Patient page they only give half a dozen or so:

    * nausea
    * vomiting
    * diarrhea
    * bronchitis
    * stomach pain
    * dizziness
    * headache

    and tell you to discuss it with your doctor. Plus it's liable to be totally ineffective or even kill people with already compromised immune systems.

    Not a single mention of that in any news report that I've read the last two days (and I've read a lot of them).


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    #91
    bonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite its publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    edit: Oh, 'coincidentally' Rumsfeld became the Chair of the board of Gilead in...guess the year...that's right...1997 - same year as the PNAC statement.

    I don't see the relevance to this thread. I was adding detail to the somewhat inaccurate claim that Rumsfeld bought shares in "Tamiflu" (which is a product, not a company).

    I don't see what the problem is. None of this seems to contradict what I said...and only serves to bring us further away from the fact that the point I was addressing was inaccurate.

    If Rumsfeld is so obviously guilty, then there's no need to misconstrue facts. He didn't "buy shares in Tamiflu". He invested in a tech company long before they had Tamiflu.


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