'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

Raam · 23-07-2014 10:51am

No

With all these pauses and unrequested rewinds, I've heard everything on the PK show today three times now.

Raam · 23-07-2014 10:52am

No

I have a feeling that Pat is just going to annoy me.

ThisRegard · 23-07-2014 10:55am

No

I'm not sure what it is, but after an initial honeymoon period on Newstalk, he has become pretty irritating these days, he's lost a lot of impartiality that previously made his interviews good.

PMQ on now.

Raam · 23-07-2014 10:56am

No

I mean McQuaid will annoy me, not Kenny.

check_six · 23-07-2014 11:02am

PMQ: "I feel that my stance on doping was held against me in the recent UCI President election"

You're not wrong there!

Lusk_Doyle · 23-07-2014 11:04am

Raam wrote: »

I mean McQuaid will annoy me, not Kenny.

Kenny Egan?

dastardly00 · 23-07-2014 11:08am

No

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Kenny Egan?

That's Kenneth Egan :pac:

allybhoy · 23-07-2014 11:11am

No

Anyone able to give a synopsis of what was discussed? If I remember correctly, Kenny gave PMQ a decent grilling on Morning Ireland back when all this came to light, he was a lot better than i thought he would be.

RobFowl · 23-07-2014 11:17am

No

check_six wrote: »

PMQ: "I feel that my stance on doping was held against me in the recent UCI President election"

You're not wrong there!

Pretty much the reason he was opposed all right !

check_six · 23-07-2014 11:25am

PMQ said:

- All the riders were on EPO in the Tours LA won.
- EPO was undetectable at the time
- Cycling was the first sport to test for EPO
- Other dopers have kept their prizes
- It was a witch hunt by USADA on LA (just as well you didn't give them any help so, PMQ!)
- Other dopers are still riding today
- PMQ cleaned up the sport in the 8 years he was in charge
- The peleton is the cleanest it has ever been today

Think that's most of it...

check_six · 23-07-2014 11:33am

There wasn't too much of a grilling going on. PMQ just sort of said his stuff and PK just guided him along.
PMQ didn't like the gap of seven years without a champion in the Tour de France. Also, I think he had a cut at ex-cyclists in the media who were dopers at one point.
I don't think there was anything new. PMQ didn't mention if he was living in Switzerland, Morocco, or Thailand at the moment.

RobFowl · 23-07-2014 11:39am

No

There's is some thruth in all of that, unfortunately PMQ also blocked the investigations into LA. UCI under him challenged USADA repeatedly and tried to stop them investigating up until the reasoned decision was released.
Also tests which were not strong enough to stand up in court but which suggested strongly that LA was using EPO were covered up or at best not taken as seriously as they should have been.
Taking money off LA in the form of "donations" was simply unacceptable practice for the leader of the UCI in these circumstance and that alone was reason enough for him to go.
Corporate governance in the UCI needed (and needs still) to change, simply wasn't going to happen under Pat.

That said the bio-passport was a good tool introduced on his watch, and he was at least an improvement on his predecessor !!!

check_six · 23-07-2014 11:50am

Yup, he is still happy to take full credit for anything positive, and will deny responsibility for anything negative: "A bigger boy did it, and then he ran away!"

Hermy · 23-07-2014 2:29pm

No

Sacksian wrote: »

...I would be happy enough if they reinstated any winners who had their titles taken from them...

If their titles were taken away because they doped then they are not winners.

Sacksian · 23-07-2014 3:36pm

Hermy wrote: »

If their titles were taken away because they doped then they are not winners.

Sorry, I should have been clearer that I wasn't being serious.

Just that, with all this pressure being manufactured (specifically, it would seem) for Lance's benefit, it could be mildly amusing if they decided to agree to the "rehabilitation" of everyone except Lance.

petethedrummer · 23-07-2014 8:27pm

No

I'm all on for Lance getting his titles back if Landis and Hamilton get theirs. But as usual, there's one rule for Armstrong and another for the rest.

"Another thing that annoys me is that Landis and Hamilton are being made out to be heroes. They are as far from heroes as night and day. They are not heroes, they are scumbags. All they have done is damage the sport." - Pat McQuaid

RobFowl · 23-07-2014 10:26pm

No

Forget Lance's titles, I'm starting a campaign to get Maurice Garin's disqualification overturned....

MPFG · 24-07-2014 5:57am

No

I don't see why anyone who doped and was found guilty should get anything back

Isn't the rule ...dope ,guilty , lose whatever you won in the time you're found guilty of doping...or am i being simplistic

Of course there are others still in the sport who doped and were never found guilty of anything so have had no sanctions, while others have had limited sanctions

best way forward is to bring evidence against them if possible and sanction them too or else let it go

In real life if a man is found guilty of a crime he goes to prison ....no one argues that he should not go to prison just because there are other suspects in the community who are also guilty of similar crimes but have never been found guilty and thus are not punished???

I have no sympathy for Lance Armstrong.....He made a mint out of the sport , rode the whirlwind for as long s he could and then fell of the ledge.....

If you say he should his titles back ...what about all the riders who never had a career because they didn't dope while Lance ruled the ruse.....anyone want to give them their shot back

Quite frankly if there is evidence against others bring it forward or else lets try and put the past to bed .....

Russman · 24-07-2014 9:46am

No

MPFG wrote: »

In real life if a man is found guilty of a crime he goes to prison ....no one argues that he should not go to prison just because there are other suspects in the community who are also guilty of similar crimes but have never been found guilty and thus are not punished???

That's true, but I think the problem is the scale. Back in the day, virtually the entire peloton was on something, it certainly wasn't one or two bad apples giving everyone a bad name.
LA may have been and may still be a monumental d1ck, but I can kind of see the logic in the argument that he's been treated "differently" to the others.

Raam · 24-07-2014 9:50am

No

Russman wrote: »

That's true, but I think the problem is the scale. Back in the day, virtually the entire peloton was on something, it certainly wasn't one or two bad apples giving everyone a bad name.
LA may have been and may still be a monumental d1ck, but I can kind of see the logic in the argument that he's been treated "differently" to the others.

Can USADA sanction riders from another country? I don't know if they can. I know the Italian version banned Valverde. USADA banned a load of US riders in the fallout from all this. They got lesser bans because they cooperated. Lance did not cooperate.

CramCycle · 24-07-2014 9:58am

Yes, but he's still great

Russman wrote: »

That's true, but I think the problem is the scale. Back in the day, virtually the entire peloton was on something, it certainly wasn't one or two bad apples giving everyone a bad name.

And the other thing many ignore is that he was given the out, he was basically told by Hein Verbruggen, find us an excuse, don't care if its true or not. I'd say he thought that he was untouchable. I doubt you would find many who would get into Lances position and not take advantage.

Russman · 24-07-2014 10:40am

No

Raam wrote: »

They got lesser bans because they cooperated. Lance did not cooperate.

That's a very fair point.

Leroy42 · 24-07-2014 10:09pm

So McQaids position, and others it would seem, is that even though we have proof that LA cheated on all 7 tours he should somehow be given the titles back since all the others were at it too, probably.

While I can see the logic in seeing USADA v LA as somewhat of a witch hunt, even if you accept that how do you get from that point to giving a known cheat some titles back?

McQ is basically saying that the sport he was in charge of was a total farce.

Lusk_Doyle · 25-07-2014 8:38am

petethedrummer wrote: »

I'm all on for Lance getting his titles back if Landis and Hamilton get theirs. But as usual, there's one rule for Armstrong and another for the rest.

"Another thing that annoys me is that Landis and Hamilton are being made out to be heroes. They are as far from heroes as night and day. They are not heroes, they are scumbags. All they have done is damage the sport." - Pat McQuaid

Hamilton never "won" the tour.

Hermy · 25-07-2014 3:28pm

No

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Hamilton never "won" the tour.

Well that makes three of them!

aloyisious · 26-07-2014 5:33pm

No

Monday (9.35pm) next on RTE TV.... https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Ftv%2Fprogrammes%2Froughrider.html&ei=C9jTU_fEKOOP7AbFzIGYCg&usg=AFQjCNHzwMbgwFXn8ELZTjBuK7hePVX1LA

EDIT. Paul Kimmage is on RTE Saturday Sports programme live describing how he was introduced to drugs and doping use in cycling, ref how he started using drugs while cycling with the teams. That was a cracker of an interview, certainly plain-speaking on the part of Paul Kimmage.

Captain Havoc · 26-07-2014 6:56pm

I really hope it's less Armstrong and more Kimmage, he has a very interesting story without Armstrong.

Lusk_Doyle · 26-07-2014 7:35pm

Cool.

http://touch.boards.ie/search/?userid=721524&sort=newest

RobFowl · 26-07-2014 8:32pm

No

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I really hope it's less Armstrong and more Kimmage, he has a very interesting story without Armstrong.

Was privileged to be at a private viewing today and very little about Armstrong.
A really well made, interesting and thought provoking film.

Raam · 26-07-2014 8:33pm

No

RobFowl wrote: »

Was privileged to be at a private viewing today and very little about Armstrong.
A really well made, interesting and thought provoking film.

No spoilers for god's sake!

CramCycle · 26-07-2014 10:41pm

Yes, but he's still great

Raam wrote: »

No spoilers for god's sake!

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fat bloke · 27-07-2014 5:18pm

No

I watched that "Stop At Nothing" documentary this morning. Really really good. A lot of stuff I'd seen before but very very well put together and it puts the whole chronology of the events into order. Can actually understand why Armstrong doped in the first place when you see how they were getting their a$$es kicked - as Frankie Andreu says at one point - getting beat up the hills by fat sprinters

. But you're certainly left with no fuzzy soft-focus impressions of Armstrong's ....sociopathy at the end. - Riveting watch.

aloyisious · 04-08-2014 7:45am

No

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/kimmages-superb-film-a-sad-story-of-unrequited-love-30479656.html

Poignant piece included in this about a young Dutch team-mate (26) who (probably) died do to EPO use.

Junior · 06-08-2014 4:33pm

Looks like the Lance rebranding begins again https://twitter.com/laf

Big Cheese · 06-08-2014 4:42pm

He is a psycho if you ask me. Such insane controlling behaviour.

evilivor · 06-08-2014 4:57pm

No

Junior wrote: »

Looks like the Lance rebranding begins again https://twitter.com/laf

Are you havin' a laf?

Captain Havoc · 06-08-2014 7:52pm

He has a neck like a jockey's bollox

kumate_champ07 · 06-08-2014 9:04pm

he shouldn't be allowed use the color yellow in his logo! red would be more suitable

feargale · 16-08-2014 12:22am

70 say he didn't dope. So he was lying when he said he did? Are these the same people who believe that Hitler is hiding in Argentina and that Neil's walking on the moon was a fake?

Ciarán_R · 16-08-2014 1:51am

No

the votes are from before he admitted it.

Jawgap · 26-01-2015 7:24pm

The rehabilitation continues........

Lance Armstrong: I'd change the man, not decision to cheat

Shamed cyclist Lance Armstrong believes the time is coming when he should be forgiven for doping and lying - and told the BBC he would probably do it again.

Armstrong, 43, was stripped of his record seven Tour de France titles and banned from sport for life by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) in August 2012.

"If I was racing in 2015, no, I wouldn't do it again because I don't think you have to," he said.

"If you take me back to 1995, when doping was completely pervasive, I would probably do it again."

A 30-minute documentary, Lance Armstrong: The Road Ahead, will be broadcast on BBC News at 20:30 GMT on Thursday, 29 January, and again over the following days on that channel and BBC World News. An extended edit of Dan Roan's interview will also be available on the BBC iPlayer.

Ole Rodrigo · 26-01-2015 7:28pm

No

Just give him back the jerseys and get it over with already :P

H.E. Pennypacker · 26-01-2015 8:10pm

Brave of him to use the Jimmy Saville defence....

Jim Stynes · 26-01-2015 8:24pm

A horrible person but has been unfairly treated in comparison to others in the sport who have done exactly the same thing.

Hermy · 26-01-2015 8:37pm

No

Jim Stynes wrote: »

A horrible person but has been unfairly treated in comparison to others in the sport who have done exactly the same thing.

No one else did what he did!

feargale · 26-01-2015 8:43pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

A horrible person but has been unfairly treated in comparison to others in the sport who have done exactly the same thing.

Unfairly treated? "Bless me, Father for I have sinned. Thanks for the absolution, but Jaysus, Father, given half a chance I'd do the bloody same allover again! "

Capt'n Midnight · 26-01-2015 9:04pm

No

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/30955902

"But what's really frustrating, and probably 80% of it, is that if my mum got [multiple sclerosis] tomorrow - and thank God she hasn't - and I wanted to run the Boston Marathon to raise $100,000 (£66,500) for the MS Society, I couldn't do it. And not just run, I couldn't walk it, run a little bit, walk the aid stations and finish in four hours 15 minutes, but raise a hundred grand - I can't do it."

The ****er is worth $125m and is claiming to be upset that that he won't get the chance to get other people pay if his mum got sick :eek:

If that unrepentant **** is allowed race again , ever, then the cheaters have won because there will no longer be the threat of a lifetime ban.

Leroy42 · 26-01-2015 10:43pm

Just watched the interview on the BBC site and I don't know who the interviewer is but he did a great job.

Let LA lead himself down the poor me, Feds ,USADA etc were all out to get me and none of this would have happened crap and he just says well it was really coz you cheated that this happened!

LA does make the point that lots of others made lots of money from the whole thing. He mentions Trek going from 100m to 1bill in sales. That just dumped him and moved on as if nothing.

Its was also good to see him accept that his comeback was the 'bridge'. He knows that without that he would have gotten away with it.

I bet out of everything that is the worst part to him. After being in control for so long, all the bullying & intimidation, all the legal threats etc it was his own hubris that did him in the end.

How do you like dem apples!

Jim Stynes · 26-01-2015 11:09pm

He was and still is a complete c*** but even if he isn't being treated unfairly with a lifetime ban then the others have gotten off very light. Pantani is just one of the many who are seen as heroes and he was drugged to the gills!

marienbad · 26-01-2015 11:23pm

No

Jim Stynes wrote: »

He was and still is a complete c*** but even if he isn't being treated unfairly with a lifetime ban then the others have gotten off very light. Pantani is just one of the many who are seen as heroes and he was drugged to the gills!

The reason he is treated differently is not just the drugs but because he destroyed anyone that threatened him.

A complete psychopath deserving of everything he got .

'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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