N5 Ballaghaderreen Bypass

antoobrien · 19-03-2014 2:11pm

spacetweek wrote: »

I don't follow that?

Like the ones in Moate before the M6 opened - we look forward to seeing you again or something similar.

veryangryman · 19-03-2014 5:39pm

spacetweek wrote: »

I don't follow that?

They want people to come into the town to shop there instead of avoiding it. Hence "Bypass the bypass".

MayoSalmon · 19-03-2014 8:15pm

veryangryman wrote: »

They want people to come into the town to shop there instead of avoiding it. Hence "Bypass the bypass".

Surely only locals shop there anyway

road_high · 19-03-2014 11:20pm

I think it's a real shame this scheme wasn't made into 2&2. Very short sighted in my opinion. Would it really have cost much more? I doubt it. The pay offs in safety would be huge as well as the obvious efficiencies.

L1011 · 20-03-2014 1:47am

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Surely only locals shop there anyway

Fuel and food service business will move in part to stations that remain online. That's about it really.

veryangryman · 20-03-2014 10:10am

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Surely only locals shop there anyway

Tesco in Swinford (for examle) becomes a slightly more attractive proposition for "big shops" from people living immediately east of the bypass. I guess thats what they fear.

spacetweek · 20-03-2014 1:52pm

road_high wrote: »

I think it's a real shame this scheme wasn't made into 2&2. Very short sighted in my opinion. Would it really have cost much more? I doubt it. The pay offs in safety would be huge as well as the obvious efficiencies.

Capital cost? Maybe not.
Maintenance? A lot more over the long term. More work to resurface, sweep, grit.

20-03-2014 9:31pm

antoobrien wrote: »

Like the ones in Moate before the M6 opened - we look forward to seeing you again or something similar.

I don't think that I have ever driven through Moate since the motorway opened.

serfboard · 20-03-2014 11:04pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think that I have ever driven through Moate since the motorway opened.

I have - and I was surprised at how busy it was. I thought it'd be deserted.

21-03-2014 7:22am

serfboard wrote: »

I have - and I was surprised at how busy it was. I thought it'd be deserted.

that's why it was always such a nightmare to get through, all the local traffic plus the passing traffic was too much for the road to take.

Cars would be constantly joining and leaving the queue while driving through.

antoobrien · 21-03-2014 9:22am

Deleted User wrote: »

that's why it was always such a nightmare to get through, all the local traffic plus the passing traffic was too much for the road to take.

Cars would be constantly joining and leaving the queue while driving through.

I still cheer to myself when driving past it.

tonytoc11 · 27-04-2014 5:16pm

How has this progressed over the past few weeks?

macker16 · 27-04-2014 6:16pm

I will try and get a few pictures up:cool:

bijou · 14-05-2014 10:09am

Just wondering if anyone knew how they're going to "connect" the new bypass to the old road at the Tibohine/Frenchpark end? I heard somewhere that they were going to put a round-about there.

tonytoc11 · 23-05-2014 10:59pm

Any updates? It must be near completion?

spacetweek · 26-05-2014 1:12pm

tonytoc11 wrote: »

Any updates? It must be near completion?

Not due till the end of the year but at this stage I'd expect the structures and earthworks to all be done.

tonytoc11 · 26-05-2014 10:13pm

They were completed months ago

Peanut Butter Jelly · 26-05-2014 11:36pm

The last time I passed (April), the two ends of the bypass still had work left, as well as clearing the leftover dirt and the junction layout had to be done.

YouTookMyName · 18-07-2014 7:03pm

opened for xmas?

macker16 · 18-07-2014 8:01pm

Opening for the august bank holiday weekend

yop · 18-07-2014 11:05pm

macker16 wrote: »

Opening for the august bank holiday weekend

Great job. What do they think it will take off the journey to Dublin? 15 minutes?
I'm looking at a job in Longford and wonder what sort of time it will take from Cbar to Longford.

MayoSalmon · 19-07-2014 12:57am

yop wrote: »

Great job. What do they think it will take off the journey to Dublin? 15 minutes?
I'm looking at a job in Longford and wonder what sort of time it will take from Cbar to Longford.

At least...should be able to do that in an hour if your up bright and early

godskitchen · 19-07-2014 7:53pm

Yep, opening bank holiday weekend.

You should do longford in a hour no problem.

It was possible to do castlebar to longford in an hour in the right conditions on the existing road,so i am told.

D Trent · 19-07-2014 9:27pm

godskitchen wrote: »

Yep, opening bank holiday weekend.

You should do longford in a hour no problem.

It was possible to do castlebar to longford in an hour in the right conditions on the existing road,so i am told.

Right conditions must have meant it was Christmas day

yop · 21-07-2014 9:23am

Even at 5.45am leaving Cbar when I was travelling to Dublin to work I wasn't able to get to Longford in an hour. It was closer to hour and 20 mins.

An hour to Longford would be great. Quicker than going from here to Galway and better roads!

joujoujou · 21-07-2014 12:59pm

Without Strokestown -- Frenchpark piece upgrade, it won't be easy (well, maybe if you leave C'bar at 2 am...

).

yop · 21-07-2014 1:01pm

Well I will be travelling down it the weekend it opens, so hopefully will get a better idea.

veryangryman · 21-07-2014 1:06pm

Roscommon - Westport... after bypass will it be a better job to do it via N61-N5 rather than N60-N5?

Opinions?

joujoujou · 21-07-2014 1:37pm

yop wrote: »

Well I will be travelling down it the weekend it opens, so hopefully will get a better idea.

I'll be there as well. Want to film end-to-end travel in both directions.

MayoSalmon · 21-07-2014 2:09pm

Remember the days when it used to take 5/6 hours drive from Dublin to Castlebar?

yop · 21-07-2014 2:21pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Remember the days when it used to take 5/6 hours drive from Dublin to Castlebar?

It used to be chaos, Edgeworthstown, Ballaghdereen, Charlestown, Swinford! Nightmare!
Took me 7 hrs in Dec 2010 due to the weather!

Peanut Butter Jelly · 21-07-2014 5:12pm

Is there any word of a Strokestown or Frenchpark bypass? I think I worked it out to be a 1.2km road to bypass the former.

macker16 · 21-07-2014 8:08pm

Endas working on it

flat 2 the..... · 21-07-2014 8:23pm

How come they are only bypassing towns and not making a new road from mayo to dublin like they did with the N6/N7/N8 and all the rest of the main national roads

afatbollix · 21-07-2014 8:24pm

To be honest not enough people use it.

flat 2 the..... · 21-07-2014 11:20pm

afatbollix wrote: »

To be honest not enough people use it.

I worked on the ballah bypass and the amount of traffic was constent and the amount of hevy good being hauled would be as much as the m6 , is there not alot of industry in mayo

MayoSalmon · 21-07-2014 11:56pm

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

I worked on the ballah bypass and the amount of traffic was constent and the amount of hevy good being hauled would be as much as the m6 , is there not alot of industry in mayo

No it wouldn't

markpb · 22-07-2014 12:32am

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

How come they are only bypassing towns and not making a new road from mayo to dublin like they did with the N6/N7/N8 and all the rest of the main national roads

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

I worked on the ballah bypass and the amount of traffic was constent and the amount of hevy good being hauled would be as much as the m6 , is there not alot of industry in mayo

It's amazing the data that is collected these days. Here is the *actual* traffic volume per direction per day for this year:

N3 Between Virginia and Kells, Co. Cavan
10,043 (7.5% HGV)

N4 Between Dublin Road and Granard Road Roundabouts, Longford Bypass
10,357 (8.5% HGV)

N6 Between Jn11 Athlone (Centre) and Jn12 Roscommon
30,629 (4.3% HGV)

M7 Between Jn16 Portlaoise (East) and Jn17 Portlaoise (Centre), Co. Laois
24,313 (10.4% HGV)

The midpoint of the N4/N5 carries half the traffic of the N7 and only one third the traffic of the N6 at equivalent points. This is why the N6 and N7 are motorways and the N3 and N5 get bypasses - the volume isn't there to support building a motorway. (There are exceptions to this, Dundalk carries 12,000 but is strategic and political because of the link with Belfast.)

Interesting, you may have a point about HGVs. The percentage of HGV traffic is quite high at the west end of the N5. Unfortunately the NRA have no traffic counters on the N6 west of Athlone.

N5 Between Tulsk and Frenchpark, Frenchpark
4,528 (10.7% HGV)

MayoSalmon · 22-07-2014 1:29am

Thanks for that.

Regardless of stats though the N5 Between Tulsk and Strokestown should be upgraded due to the sheer danger of the road above all else.

almccabe · 22-07-2014 8:56am

yop wrote: »

Well I will be travelling down it the weekend it opens, so hopefully will get a better idea.

Will the bypass be open Friday morning?

yop · 22-07-2014 9:01am

almccabe wrote: »

Will the bypass be open Friday morning?

I am not sure but I doubt it as they won't be up that early to cut the ribbon

Its due to open on the 1st I think@?

spacetweek · 22-07-2014 1:23pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Remember the days when it used to take 5/6 hours drive from Dublin to Castlebar?

In fairness I've been making that journey since the early 1980s and it never took that long, max 3 1/2 hours.

spacetweek · 22-07-2014 1:26pm

If this road opens in August it'll be a surprise as it was originally programmed for November.

MayoSalmon · 22-07-2014 2:07pm

spacetweek wrote: »

In fairness I've been making that journey since the early 1980s and it never took that long, max 3 1/2 hours.

Ah your being way to generous, never did it under 4 hours.

Many a time I was stuck in Longford town for 30 minutes alone

L1011 · 22-07-2014 2:10pm

Longford, like Ballaghadereen, was much more of an issue Dublin-bound than Mayo-bound. Killer if you went up for a day for work and were returning, tired, in peak traffic.

mackerski · 22-07-2014 2:18pm

joujoujou wrote: »

I'll be there as well. Want to film end-to-end travel in both directions.

Actually, now that you mention it - is there any chance you could, at the same time, take a GPS track log (apps available for most smart phones to do this, I can advise if required)?

My reason for asking is that this will enable OpenStreetMap to be brought quickly up-to-date with the new road geometry. I'd be grateful to any and all for as many tracklogs as I can get from both directions of travel and including any turn-offs and also any realignments/curtailments of side roads.

Your video footage will also be very useful for this purpose, if you are OK with it being used.

Thanks to anybody who can help!

joujoujou · 23-07-2014 1:44pm

I can't promise I'd be able to get a smartphone with such a feature - not sure. Although my dashcam has built-in GPS, so hopefully it'd be OK.

And hopefully rumours about opening date will become true.

mackerski · 23-07-2014 2:11pm

joujoujou wrote: »

Although my dashcam has built-in GPS, so hopefully it'd be OK.

If it allows you to adjust the logging interval, and the memory is available to do so, please set it to the most frequent setting possible. 1s is the optimum.

Thanks!

joujoujou · 23-07-2014 2:32pm

1s is default and non-changeable option. File is created once a minute, can be exported to .kml only.

Here's the example:

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mackerski · 23-07-2014 2:37pm

KML is fine. I'll take all the traces you can get of the scheme and side roads. Nice one!

N5 Ballaghaderreen Bypass

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