How do you perceive the overall work of the Gardai

Hagar · 04-11-2008 10:35pm

CRS FTW. Them boyos don't take prisoners, at all.

metman · 04-11-2008 10:38pm

CRS don't f*ck about.

Traumadoc · 04-11-2008 11:56pm

I find the Garda generally to be very professional, but I believe the Mayday riot a few year ago, and the carryon in Donegal has eroded a lot of peoples confidence in the Gardai.
The setting up of the the ombudsman was driven by public disquiet about the rare occasions where dicipline seemed to be lacking.
In my dealings with the ombudsman I feel that things may have gone too far the otherway though.

eroo · 05-11-2008 12:14am

Terrontress wrote: »

We all know what manpower is being put into speeders. The teams of Gardai who go to music festivals to try to infiltrate student types smoking cannabis.
They are there mainly for public order reasons, just like at matches etc. Tackling drug dealers who attend the festivals is a priority for Gardai, no?

I can't think of the last time I have seen community Gardai on foot. The only place I've seen them on foot is Dublin city centre. Even then, Grafton Street seems to be patrolled mainly by a Mondeo which I'm sure the occupants are more concerned in getting the pedestrians to move over.
I live close to an area of Limerick that is in the papers regurarly because of the actions of a few scumbags. I can tell you Community Gardai make a big difference down here. They are changing attitudes. I also see countless squad cars, as well as RSU patrols, all over the city on a regular basis. However, I also see several squad cars outside the courthouse because so many Gardai are tied up in court. I'd imagine Dublin is no different.

No idea what the helicopter does. Horses? Only ever seen them on Henry Street. And what would happen if someone snatched a bag and ran into the Ilac? Break into a canter through the mall?
Besides following known criminal gang members regurarly, assisting in chase's, following suspects, providing air support in public order incidents and traffic management. . ya they do nothing.:rolleyes:
The force is failing the majority of law abiding people and letting the criminals get away with it.
Proof of this?
As I've said, the normally law-abiding will come quietly, be more compliant, show remorse, plead guilty and give a crime-solved statistic.
You think Gardai would rather chase down some 17 y/o from D4 rather than chase down subversive's and criminals?? Get real.

Pathetic.

Pathetic? Nice to see you can engage in debate without insulting an entire organisation and it's personnel.:rolleyes:

Eru · 05-11-2008 1:59am

Terrontress wrote: »

Nope, they don't but what about the examples I have given about junkies selling heroin with immunity along the quays?

What about people begging in the streets?

What about stone-throwers and people setting bonfires?

I have experience of a Garda being so disinterested in dealing with a crime that he invented a murder. I agreed with him that my broken-into car was unimportant and let him get on his way. Lo and behold, no murders in the news.

We all know what manpower is being put into speeders. The teams of Gardai who go to music festivals to try to infiltrate student types smoking cannabis.

I can't think of the last time I have seen community Gardai on foot. The only place I've seen them on foot is Dublin city centre. Even then, Grafton Street seems to be patrolled mainly by a Mondeo which I'm sure the occupants are more concerned in getting the pedestrians to move over.

No idea what the helicopter does. Horses? Only ever seen them on Henry Street. And what would happen if someone snatched a bag and ran into the Ilac? Break into a canter through the mall?

The force is failing the majority of law abiding people and letting the criminals get away with it.

As I've said, the normally law-abiding will come quietly, be more compliant, show remorse, plead guilty and give a crime-solved statistic.

Pathetic.

A, As I said already, People in hoodies passing items to eachother isnt always drug dealing. The media and passerby say it is but they are either guessing or just going by general perception. Besides, you cant know its heroin for a fact. Most drug dealing on the quays are not 'illegal drugs' as per the Misuse of drugs Act 77/84. But prescription drugs used as uppers and downers for which they cannot be arrested. Of course it happens but lets be honest, out of every 24 hours how much of it are you actually watching? Yo dont know that these people arent being arrested or that some of the buyers arent drug unit Gardai.

B, Thats not a crime so what is it you expect? I dont believe nor would I impliment, facist rounding up of people simple because we dont like how they look.

C, I dont know where this is coming from, what stone throwers? Bonfires, I presume you mean Holloween. Surely fires are for firemen? And come on, your not that old are you? Only a minor amount go bad most are supervised, peaceful, controled and enjoyed by members of the community.

D, Again, how much time do you spend watching? Unless your driving around your estate all day and night you cant say how many there are or arent however I would concede that some areas dont have sufficient community Gardai and some Gardai go into areas when they dont have any real interest in it but see it as a step towards their untilimate goal. Please also remember that community Gardai spend a lot of time at community meetings, in peoples houses, in schools and other community events and amenities.Personally I think gardai going into specialist units should be required to serve a minimum in that area therefore only those genuinely interested would apply for them.

E, Theres 2 Mondeos in Pearse Street compared to about 20 beats. Its rare both cars would be out at the same time.

F, I wont dignify your comment about the helicopter because its a simple ignorant statement. As for horses, they are used for crowd control primarily but seeing as they arent used daily for crowds they go walking, sure just above your complaining that all you see are cars, now your complaining about horses. You want all Gardai on foot with no other options?

G, Letting the criminals get away with what? You think we simple ignore crime? Look at the stats, theres thousands upon thousands of arrests every year. Theres people being convicted of serious crimes every day. The problem here is your ignoring pesky things like evidence and facts, due process and legality believing that fair treatment and legal rights should only apply to you but I know in my heart that if we stepped over the law to get a major criminal you would cry foul.

H, Actually no. Its the middle class or upper class that will kick up and fight the case the most. Serious offenders know fighting will only get them in more trouble and accept their faith. Upper class believe Gardai cant or shouldnt arrest them and fight to clear their supposed good name. In fact it was a rich kid using daddy's money that you can thank for begging now being perfectly legal.

Your comments appear to be pure prejudiced guess work and awash with arrogance. You make comments about subjects you dont know about, make accusations you cant backup and state opinion as fact when you cant possible do so.

djtechnics1210 · 05-11-2008 3:42am

donvito99 wrote: »

As far as I am aware there is a public order unit, but it is more along the
lines of this....

This is not a proper public order unit

djtechnics1210 · 05-11-2008 3:49am

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/104208275_697af46b1b.jpg?v=0

This is public order unit.

(sorry pic wont post for me)

TheNog · 05-11-2008 9:22am

pokerface_me wrote: »

you do a thankless job with little or no job satisfaction

This is a comment I find bandied about a bit.

I find my job gives me great satisfaction. TBH if you good spent a day or two in the job you will see we are not all miserable, nor do get abused every minute of our working day. Granted as part of the ES we see the most horrendous things that most people would not but we also see the most brilliant things.
One example of this 2 of my colleagues were at a RTA with a pregnant woman and 2 children in the car. The kids were seriously injured and taken to hospital when the woman went into labour at the scene. There was no other ambulance available so the lads bundled her into the patrol car and tore to the hospital just in time for her to give birth to a healthy baby. The woman rang the station the week after when I was working. She wanted to say thanks for potentially saving her and her baby's life. She started to cry on the phone and I nearly started to cry listening to her story (imagine a 6ft 1, 16 stone man in a Garda uniform blubbering in the station;)). It was a great feeling for everyone in the station to hear the story.
Or the time when a child who ran away from home and came into the station at 1am, cold, hungry and soaked. I thought I was seeing things. Rang his parents 60 miles away and to hear the joy in their voices that he was safe. By the time they arrived to pick him up he was seating with me in the public office, both of us watching a film and he helping me eat my Chinese.

Also in this job we have some great craic, see some of the most amazing and mad things that ye wouldn't believe. I was always told that you will make friends for life. I know even though I'm in the job a year that I have some great friends that will be life.

I have had many jobs before joining from general labourer to sales rep to painter and decorator to supervisor working the office life but this is by far the best and most satisfying job I have ever had. Tbh I could spent the day writing about good experiences but I need to go to bed after a night shift and I'm back in at 2pm!!!!!

tallaght01 wrote: »

I don't know all the details. But most people I know would (I presume) think that if 30 hoods rioted in front of 50 gardai, then most of them should have been caught. Not just 1/3.

tallaght01 wrote: »

But 50 gardai? Catching just 10 rioters?

Now, in fairness, I know nothing about policing. I'm just commenting on the way that comes across.

In fairness if all 30 were rioting then all 30 would have been arrested but the members there decided that 10 people were the ones who needed to be lifted. No one here can give us a full picture of what happened there that night.

Terrontress wrote: »

Nope, they don't but what about the examples I have given about junkies selling heroin with immunity along the quays?

What about people begging in the streets?

What about stone-throwers and people setting bonfires?

I have experience of a Garda being so disinterested in dealing with a crime that he invented a murder. I agreed with him that my broken-into car was unimportant and let him get on his way. Lo and behold, no murders in the news.

We all know what manpower is being put into speeders. The teams of Gardai who go to music festivals to try to infiltrate student types smoking cannabis.

I can't think of the last time I have seen community Gardai on foot. The only place I've seen them on foot is Dublin city centre. Even then, Grafton Street seems to be patrolled mainly by a Mondeo which I'm sure the occupants are more concerned in getting the pedestrians to move over.

No idea what the helicopter does. Horses? Only ever seen them on Henry Street. And what would happen if someone snatched a bag and ran into the Ilac? Break into a canter through the mall?

The force is failing the majority of law abiding people and letting the criminals get away with it.

As I've said, the normally law-abiding will come quietly, be more compliant, show remorse, plead guilty and give a crime-solved statistic.

Pathetic.

Unless you are unemployed and walk the streets of Dublin all day then I can't see how you can say there is never Gardai on foot. Even if you walk/drive to and from work you would maybe spend 1 hour each way and possibly pop out of your house once or twice in the evening. You also must remember that especially in the country we have big districts to cover so although one person may not see a guard for a week or two or if ever, our car is on the road about 20 hours a day. We actually travel nearly 1000 kms a day in the car.

petergfiffin · 05-11-2008 9:41am

Have to say I don't really envy the Guards in a lot of cases I mean it must be pretty depressing to risk getting stabbed or worse (stabbed with a needle) only to finally see the scumbag get off on some technicality or even if they do get convicted it'll probably be suspended or so short it's meaningless.
The problem I see in this country is that we (the public) are all talk when it comes getting tough on crime but when it actually comes down to it we don't have the balls to carry it through. As I've said before I really admire the French CRS and would love nothing more than to see some of the guys here on the receiving end of them but if it happened Joe Duffy would be totally flooded with calls from people saying their poor little Johnny was just standing there and "never did something or nothing". I remember a while back an armed robber was shot by the Guards while carrying out a robbery and the questions in the media were "why wasn't he shot in the arm?":eek:.....seriously!!??? So all in all we seem to be talking out of both sides of our mouth when it comes to the Guards.

That having been said...the Guards don't exactly help their case. My own personal experience of the Guards has been (largely), that they seem arrogant, disinterested an unprofessional. You can have a go at me for saying it all you like but this has been my personal experience. If the Guards are seeing that people don't trust/respect them then surely it's time the Guards started looking inwards and asking some hard questions.

TheNog · 05-11-2008 10:44am

petergfiffin wrote: »

Have to say I don't really envy the Guards in a lot of cases I mean it must be pretty depressing to risk getting stabbed or worse (stabbed with a needle) only to finally see the scumbag get off on some technicality or even if they do get convicted it'll probably be suspended or so short it's meaningless.

Not true in my case. I don't worry about something that may or may not happen. If a fella pulled a knife or syringe on me then I would do everything I could to leave the fella on the ground with little or no chance of getting up without help.

petergfiffin wrote: »

That having been said...the Guards don't exactly help their case. My own personal experience of the Guards has been (largely), that they seem arrogant, disinterested an unprofessional. You can have a go at me for saying it all you like but this has been my personal experience. If the Guards are seeing that people don't trust/respect them then surely it's time the Guards started looking inwards and asking some hard questions.

+1

In the college we were told the number one complaint against Gardai is discourtesy and I reckon I speak for everyone, members or not, it doesn't help us at all. So if anyone is on the receiving end of an unprofessional Garda then report, report, report. We have shoulders numbers and now an independent body who can investigate it. Also within the job there is a big drive to clamp out this discourtesy which is not before its time.

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 11:26am

My comment about the helicopter was that I have no idea what they do. I think it is supposed to be that way. I certainly can't ascertain who owns a helicopter when it flies over and I don't spend much time looking.

What I was questioning the efficiency of in terms of fighting crime.

I concede that I am not always in a position to see Gardai out "on the beat" but in Donabate, where I live, there are never Gardai out and about. You see the odd patrol car from time to time but they never get out of the cars.

The town is overrun with kids misbehaving, throwing fireworks, underage drinking. There are people begging out the back of SuperValu and regular attacks on the train station.

I will repeat what I have said before:

I have been the victim of enough crime and seen enough lawlessness on the streets to have no faith in the Gardai to protect me.

I am aware of many people, both known to me and through the media, that have been prosecuted for offences that would appear trivial given what is going on around us. This is enough to make me feel that were I to transgress in a minor way that I would not be treated fairly by the Gardai if detected. And let's be fair, most people break minor laws here and there. I don't set out to break the law although have done on occasions in the past such as trying cannabis in my student days or urinating up an alleyway when caught short. I expect that if this were to be detected I would have the book thrown at me rather than be cautioned.

People may come on here and point to God knows what and I may not have the statistics or experiences to counter them but if the question is asked if I trust the Gardai in the performance of their duties, I don't. And having spoken to other people, I think there are many who feel the same.

Finally, this is not a slight on individual members, many of whom do the best job they can as per their orders and given objectives, but on the management of the entire force.

TheNog · 05-11-2008 12:04pm

Terrontress wrote: »

I have been the victim of enough crime and seen enough lawlessness on the streets to have no faith in the Gardai to protect me.

Have you ever a reported or offered yourself as a witness to a crime and if so how did you get on? How were you treated - good or bad and in what way?

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 12:37pm

When I had just moved to Dublin, to Ireland for the first time, I was living in Charlotte's Quay and borrowed my mother's car to move my stuff down. Someone broke into the car by bending the door frame. It set the alarm off. They opened the bonnet and disconnected the battery to stop the alarm. They wiped their hands on the car to get the oil off.

I phoned the Gardai in Ringsend and was told they'd make a note of it. I said that the fingerprints would be all over the outside of the car. They weren't interested. They wouldn't come out. The UK insurer wouldn't pay out without a crime number and report, which I couldn't get. Had to pay for the repair myself.

Another time, still at Charlotte's Quay I heard a commotion out the window and saw a ten year oldish child extremely distressed trying to get away from an older, scruffy looking man in an anorak. It would have taken me five minutes to get to them given my location so I shouted a warning to the man, telling him I would phone the Gardai. Told them that I saw a situation where a child appeared to be in danger. I then headed round to see what was going on. It transpired that the man in question owned a boat and had caught the child inside vandalising it and he was restraining him untill the Gardai I said I would call arrived. In spite of my reporting what I had erroneously thought as an extremely serious incident, it took over 40 minutes for the Gardai to arrive.

Another time I had my car broken into in Portobello. A window had been broken to gain access. On the other side of the road another person had had their car broken into and had a guard with him. The other victim's plea to the guard was that this had happened several times and he wanted some action taken. The guard said that there had been a murder that morning and it would be difficult to get anyone to deal with it and he had to go. There was no murder.

Yet more car crime, I had a car parking space paid for by my work in Middle Abbey St. Car got broken into so often that I ended up leaving the door open to prevent them doing damage. The car park had video cameras. The property management company would only release them to the Gardai. The Gardai would not request them. I was not the only person getting my car broken into either. I stopped reporting it. I'd get into my car and when the back seats had been taken down I'd think "O, the car thieves have been in again" and get about my business, happy in the knowledge that I had left nothing of value in there.

Have had intruders in the house. Gardai came, told us to get a better door lock. That was that. No follow up.

On the other hand, I stupidly left a mobile in the car in Belfast with the door open. The phone, which belonged to work, was stolen. They sent two police men round who took a report which I had to sign and I got post from a victim support agency if I needed counselling several weeks later!

Now that may be seen to be excessive but at least I felt the police there took my situation seriously and that the theft itself entered the system rather than either being ignored or else having someone talk to you about it but do no further.

misnomer · 05-11-2008 1:05pm

I was in work appro 2 weeks ago talking to 2 guards from the business watch team when suddenly they ran out of the store and grabbed a guy.

They proceeded to arrest him but the guy resisted and they had to hold him down.
In seconds the were surrounded by people shouting at them all with thier mobile phones taking photos and shouting at them telling them they had thier photos and were going to report them them for abuse.
When they returned to store later I asked what happened, the man had been dealing heroin on the street.
I wonder if these bystanders cared that heroin was been sold in the middle of the day in a busy retail area where school children frequent.
I think the majority of Guards do a great job. I know its not something I would ever have the courage to do.

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 1:28pm

misnomer wrote: »

I was in work appro 2 weeks ago talking to 2 guards from the business watch team when suddenly they ran out of the store and grabbed a guy.

They proceeded to arrest him but the guy resisted and they had to hold him down.
In seconds the were surrounded by people shouting at them all with thier mobile phones taking photos and shouting at them telling them they had thier photos and were going to report them them for abuse.
When they returned to store later I asked what happened, the man had been dealing heroin on the street.
I wonder if these bystanders cared that heroin was been sold in the middle of the day in a busy retail area where school children frequent.
I think the majority of Guards do a great job. I know its not something I would ever have the courage to do.

Is heroin frequently dealt in retail streets? Are we talking about the likes of Grafton Street?

Your story shows the lack of faith from the bystanders that they all assumed that the Gardai were up to no good and tried to get evidence to prove same.

Eru · 05-11-2008 1:34pm

Too be honest, I have stopped believing a lot of whats being said here, sounds like stories to back a losing case.

Your still harping on about a subjects thats been answered. not happy that you live in an area without its own Garda station? then complain to your TD. Your covered by Swords, do you realise they dont have the manpower to cover Swords nevermind Donabate as well?

Middle Abbey Street? I cant remember the last time a car was broken into there and evidently you work in Arnotts as its the only parking there. Last time I checked there are security guards at the entrance, what are they doing about this? What type of CCTV? How long does it record for? You dont know but I do because I have tried without success to get footage from there. Its still on tape with no time stamp!

Fingerprints with oil? Cant be taken, the oil smudges the prints beyond use. However maybe you should support the national database but something tells me your dead against it.

Beggers? Still not a crime since it was last posted about it but yet your still demanding action for some reason.

No murder? Where? On that street that day? Possible not but what about the rest of the country? What about the rest of the city? Folks, you dont know 10% of whats going on.

As for not being cautioned, well which is it? Tough or easy? Tough on serial offenders means tough on you. Urinating in laneways isnt so great for the poor sod that has to clean your rotten piss of his bin and/or door and its still a crime!

I cannot, simple cannot believe that people are still posting having completely ignored what has been said in previous posts. Your still acting as if your above the law, "arrest them but not me because Im too good!"

You all need to waddle down to the courts and spend a few days there listening to the cases. Heres a list of some criminal cases in court TODAY.

Before Her Honour Judge Ryan
in Court No. 24 at 10:00 (Trial)
1. DU 00817/2007 DARREN DOODY
DU 00817/2007 AIDAN BYRNE
2. DU 01234/2007 GERARD KANE
3. DU 00384/2008 DECLAN DARCY
4. DU 00786/2008 MYKOLAS DOCKEVICIUS
DU 00786/2008 MARIUS BARDAUSKAS
5. DU 00941/2008 EIMANTAS KADZEVICIUS

Before Her Honour Judge Delahunt
in Court No. 8 at 10:30 (For Mention)
6. DU 01260/2007 DAMIEN GIFFORD
DU 01260/2007 STEPHEN DOLAN
7. DU 00288/2008 WILLIAM QUINN
8. DU 00329/2008 MR. JUN JIE ZHENG
9. DU 00346/2008 GARETH MARLOWE
10. DU 00555/2008 DARREN KEARNS
11. DU 00556/2008 KEITH DEEGAN
12. DU 00559/2008 DES FOLEY
13. DU 00564/2008 DOMINIC DUIGNAN
14. DU 00568/2008 Michael Byrne
15. DU 00573/2008 AARON RYAN
16. DU 00579/2008 PAUL SMITH
17. DU 00586/2008 ADAM MICHALSKI
18. DU 00588/2008 ANTHONY COOMBES
19. DU 00589/2008 DAVID MOONEY
20. DU 00590/2008 PAUL MEEHAN
21. DU 00599/2008 EUGENE MC DONAGH
22. DU 00657/2008 ANDREW SMITH
DU 00657/2008 MAURICE SMITH
23. DU 00722/2008 RICHARD DOYLE
24. DU 00807/2008 MAXINE WILSON
25. DU 01001/2008 KEITH DEEGAN
26. FJ 04014/2008 JOSEPH O' CONNOR

in Court No. 8 at 10:30 (Arraignment)
27. DU 00306/2008 DAVID KAVANAGH
28. DU 00402/2008 LEE BLACK
29. DU 00403/2008 LEE BLACK
30. DU 00404/2008 LEE BOYLAN
31. DU 00405/2008 LEE BOYLAN
32. DU 00457/2008 GEORGE FINGLAS
33. DU 00622/2008 LEE BLACK
34. DU 01082/2008 GLEN HOGAN
35. DU 01087/2008 JAMES DALY

in Court No. 8 at 11:00 (Sentence)
36. DU 00560/2007 THOMAS MC DONNELL
37. DU 00615/2007 VIVIENNE HOGG
DU 00615/2007 LIAM FULLARD
38. DU 00708/2007 VIVIENNE HOGG
39. DU 00072/2008 JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
40. DU 00096/2008 THOMAS MC DONNELL
41. DU 00440/2008 JAKE MC LOUGHLIN
42. DU 00580/2008 DAVID CARROLL

Before His Honour Judge Hogan
in Court No. 29 at 10:30 (Trial Continuing)
43. DU 01406/2006 DEREK MC DERMOTT

Before His Honour Judge Hunt
in Court No. 15 at 10:30 (Sentence)
44. DU 00728/2007 THOMAS DONAGHUE

in Court No. 15 at 10:30 (Trial Continuing)
45. DU 00209/2002 SEAN HARAN

Before His Honour Judge McCartan
in Court No. 23 at 10:30 (For Mention)
46. DU 00365/2008 STEPHEN MAHER

in Court No. 23 at 10:30 (Sentence)
47. DU 00884/2007 JAMES MC CARTAN

And thats just the Dublin circuit criminal cour. Its not even a small portion of the criminal cases going on. How do you think these cases made to it trial if Gardai dont take reports, investigate and prosecute cases?

misnomer · 05-11-2008 1:42pm

Terrontress wrote: »

Is heroin frequently dealt in retail streets? Are we talking about the likes of Grafton Street?

Your story shows the lack of faith from the bystanders that they all assumed that the Gardai were up to no good and tried to get evidence to prove same.

actually surprisingly enough no not grafton street but Waterford. you may be right about bystanders lack of faith but I think this has more to do with the media highlighting the faults of the services and never the good work that the majority of them carry out everyday

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 2:13pm

It wasn't Arnott's. It was under a property company called Keenan Property Management. The entrance was on the back of a set of apartments whose name I don't know. Very close to Capel St.

You are saying that Swords don't have the resources to police Swords. Are you using that to suggest that people should have faith and trust in the Gardai?

I don't regularly relieve myself in public, it has most likely been over three years, but I was trying to put forward the point that we all break laws from time to time. I have lived in a place in Ranelagh which was regularly used as a toilet for passing merry makers and I know how unpleasant it is but I don't want to come all high and mighty as I am sure most people break the law at some point or another. And I'm sure I have broken many laws since.

I fully believe that were these transgressions detected, I'd be in deep trouble although the consequences to society are minor. Nevertheless, people can break into houses at their leisure. The Gardai will advise you how to make sure it doesn't happen again but that is all.

There is no point in listing those cases without understanding what they are for. How many are for breaking into cars? How many cars are broken into daily in Dublin? And how many are reported?

It's the little things which count in dealing with crime. We all remember Guiliani's zero tolerance policy. People felt better because when their car was broken into, their window smashed, kids threw fireworks; it was dealt with.

I'd have no problem with being hauled over the coals using the full vigour of the law for my misdemeanour if I thought the law was evenly applied to everyone and that people were encouraged to report crime, no matter how serious, and were assured of receiving a reasonable response to their report. The Gardai just see no point in pursuing some people as they see them as a lost cause. Better to pursue those who actually have something to lose.

Dyr · 05-11-2008 2:14pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

As for not being cautioned, well which is it? Tough or easy? Tough on serial offenders means tough on you. Urinating in laneways isnt so great for the poor sod that has to clean your rotten piss of his bin and/or door and its still a crime!

I remember talking to off duty garda in a pub down in the sticks once, very nice fella too. Anyway outside he was waving goodbye while taking a slash up against the wall. :pac:

Eru · 05-11-2008 2:50pm

Terra,
Im not sure what your point is. That we should ignore legality and simple convict people and maybe some kangaroo court can help us out, then hey how, onto the gas chamber? Again, one rule for all and as Blackstone once said "Better one thousand guilty men go free than one innocent convicted".

As for court, well its the circuit court, they aint there for stealing a few sweeties! It still proves that people are being arrested for crime ona regular basis. For gods sake, on the way to the shops I heard that a woman is in custody after 300 grand of drugs was found. What do you think happened? She wandered into the station with a rucksack of coke or whatever and confessed then forced the lazy Gardai to arrest her?

And the NYPD have a **** load of cops, cars and equipment. New York city has a population of 8 million and the NYPD have 37 thousand officers, 3000 cars and 10.000 support staff. Ignoring the support staff thats 1 cop per 216 civilians. AGS has 14000 officers with an average of less than 2 patrol cars per station. This is just 1 Garda to about 400 civilians and less than 1000 cars but yet we cover more ground and out of those 14000 officers we do the work that support staff do in NYC.

And that management company is still there, theres a gate on the carpark and its UPPER Abbey Street not Middle. I would have thought you knew the address of your own company.

And do you blame the DART and bus driver because Ireland has poor public transport? DO you lack faith is his abilities and dedication because we dont have an underground? Then why blame the poor sod Garda because we dont have adequate resources?

petergfiffin · 05-11-2008 2:56pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

...Blackstone once said "Better one thousand guilty men go free than one innocent convicted".

I prefer Chief Wiggum's version "I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them"

Eru · 05-11-2008 3:06pm

petergfiffin wrote: »

I prefer Chief Wiggum's version "I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them"

APB, car heading towards.....that place that sells donuts......a red one.....with lights......something in the registration.......driver is hackless, I repeat hackless!

(Presume mods will delete our posts)

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 3:07pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Terra,
Im not sure what your point is. That we should ignore legality and simple convict people and maybe some kangaroo court can help us out, then hey how, onto the gas chamber? Again, one rule for all and as Blackstone once said "Better one thousand guilty men go free than one innocent convicted".

As for court, well its the circuit court, they aint there for stealing a few sweeties!

And that management company is still there, theres a gate on the carpark and its UPPER Abbey Street not Middle. I would have thought you knew the address of your own company.

I wasn't working for KPM. I was working in the bank in a sales role. I was claiming so much in expenses for parking in Arnotts that it was less expensive for the bank to pay for that car parking space. I'd often leave the car overnight and this is when the attacks occur.

This thread arose after another person claimed that many people have no faith in the work of the Gardai.

My response is that I neither have faith in them based on the responses when I have reported crime and their use of resources in pursuing crime which is of little or no consequence when nefarious activities go unpunished.

Your arguments seem to either corroborate what I am saying or else descend into pedantic points scoring about the names of streets and location of car parks.

Eru · 05-11-2008 3:25pm

Terrontress wrote: »

It's the little things which count in dealing with crime. We all remember Guiliani's zero tolerance policy.

Terrontress wrote: »

My response is that I neither have faith in them based on the responses when I have reported crime and their use of resources in pursuing crime which is of little or no consequence when nefarious activities go unpunished.

No point in me posting anymore, you cant even agree with yourself

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 3:50pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

No point in me posting anymore, you cant even agree with yourself

You are being deliberately obtuse.

tallaght01 · 05-11-2008 4:38pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

No point in me posting anymore, you cant even agree with yourself

The poster can still advocate a zero tolerance approach as being superior to a system where small crimes are punished and big ones aren't. That's the point he's making. Not saying it's true, but it hardly invalidates his arguments.

timmywex · 05-11-2008 5:15pm

One of the biggest waste in the gardai as far as i can see looking in is that of court, the court service is so inefficent. Gardai driving patrol cars to court is one problem, they end up being parked there for the day, but also gardai being in court for half ten or so, but their case might not be heard until 3 o clock or later, depending on the surname of the defendant, then itll probably be adjurned anyway!

FGR · 05-11-2008 5:26pm

Surname of the defendant..and by the alphabetical order of your station, too.

It's not uncommon to be waiting for five hours to have one matter dealt with in Traffic Court.

tallaght01 · 05-11-2008 5:51pm

The_nog is right. Discourtesy is people's biggets problem with gardai. If people liked them, you wouldn't be here explaining about how you have to spend5 hours int he courts, rather than the cop shop.

People like nurses and junior doctors, for example. That's because they have a rep of being friendly to people when they're at their most vulnerable, as oposed to the gardai who have a tendency towards rudeness.

People accept mistakes from junior docs/nurses. They get annoyed at the conditions they work under.

If the gardai were nicer to people, the public would be more tolerant, and owuld be more sympathetic regarding issues of poor management.

That's my take on it anyway.

Terrontress · 05-11-2008 5:57pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

The poster can still advocate a zero tolerance approach as being superior to a system where small crimes are punished and big ones aren't. That's the point he's making. Not saying it's true, but it hardly invalidates his arguments.

Thanks.

And as I have stated previously, I don't have much experience on being on the wrong side of the law so my views are based on media reports, anecdotal evidence and supposition.

I do have experience about being a victim / witness of crime which nobody can tell me was properly dealt with.

And finally, I am only giving my opinion. I could be a million miles off the mark but I think my opinions are not uncommon. But the question is why do I think like this?

Eru · 05-11-2008 8:39pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

The_nog is right. Discourtesy is people's biggets problem with gardai. If people liked them, you wouldn't be here explaining about how you have to spend5 hours int he courts, rather than the cop shop.

People like nurses and junior doctors, for example. That's because they have a rep of being friendly to people when they're at their most vulnerable, as oposed to the gardai who have a tendency towards rudeness.

People accept mistakes from junior docs/nurses. They get annoyed at the conditions they work under.

If the gardai were nicer to people, the public would be more tolerant, and owuld be more sympathetic regarding issues of poor management.

That's my take on it anyway.

Were explaining the situation to you because your showing less understanding to us than we do to health service workers despite the fact that a doctor or nurse should realise the reality of working in the public sector and not having adequate funding or equipment. And according to the official survey and Nogs, people DO have faith and trust in us.

Its also folly to believe a smiling Garda asking Mr Scumbag to "move along now please sir" is going to have any effect other than make him laugh. Compare a Garda dealing with a criminal to a doctor dealiing with a patient, thats hardly equal now is it? You offer treatment and if they refuse then they leave and if they complain you call us to arrest them. Which guaranteed, they will hold the grudge against us.

Terra is demanding zero tolerance but then claiming we should only be chasing 'serious' criminals but thats not in sync with zero tolerance. He holds his opinion because he is ignoring whats been pointed out to him and ignoring the facts that dont agree with him. All cases in the circuit court are serious crime but he glosses over that with an excuse then simple ignores it.

As for less serious crime, Terra wants zero tolerance which means arresting these people but then goes onto say we should ignore that and look around for a murder to investigate. Well then in effect your moving the line again and letting even more offences slip away such as begging. Im extremely confident that if urinating in public became legal people would not be happy and would then be complaining when we walk past it.

Now while were on the subject, is Terra confident in the health service and their treatment of people? Im curious if its just Gardai or all ES.

tallaght01 · 05-11-2008 8:50pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Were explaining the situation to you because your showing less understanding to us than we do to health service workers despite the fact that a doctor or nurse should realise the reality of working in the public sector and not having adequate funding or equipment.

Its also folly to believe a smiling Garda asking Mr Scumbag to "move along now please sir" is going to have any effect other than make him laugh. Compare a Garda dealing with a criminal to a doctor dealiing with a patient, thats hardly equal now is it? You offer treatment and if they refuse then they leave and if they complain you call us to arrest them. Which guaranteed, they will hold the grudge against us.

Terra is demanding zero tolerance but then claiming we should only be chasing 'serious' criminals but thats not in sync with zero tolerance. He holds his opinion because he is ignoring whats been pointed out to him and ignoring the facts that dont agree with him. All cases in the circuit court are serious crime but he glosses over that with an excuse then simple ignores it.

As for less serious crime, Terra wants zero tolerance which means arresting these people but then goes onto say we should ignore that and look around for a murder to investigate. Well then in effect your moving the line again and letting even more offences slip away such as begging. Im extremely confident that if urinating in public became legal people would not be happy and would then be complaining when we walk past it.

Now while were on the subject, is Terra confident in the health service and their treatment of people? Im curious if its just Gardai or all ES.

I thought he was saying that he would like a zero tolerance system, but that in the absence of that, he would at least like the gardai to tackle high level crime.

You argued that the logic of his argument was flawed, as oposed to the content of his argument.

You can compare the health service situation if you like. But doctors and nurses constantly get rated as the most trusted professions. I think they have a good rep as they TEND to be courteous, even under horrific conditions.

junior docs and nurses take a lot of grief in work, due to the high stress. But, when everyone is calm and reasoned, you don't get many people giving out about those professionals in the way you do about gardai.

People do simply find gardai to be discourteous.

Hagar · 05-11-2008 8:57pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

Now while were on the subject, is Terra confident in the health service and their treatment of people? Im curious if its just Gardai or all ES.

I've never heard of anyone being threatened with "being put in hospital" by an ambulance driver or "having their house set alight" by a fireman for complaining face-to-face but I have heard of people being threatened by Gardaí with "being taken down to the station" for being cheeky.

Traumadoc · 05-11-2008 9:46pm

I was threatened with being arrested at Dublin Airport. I find the attitude of the police there to be very unprofessional.

Esel · 06-11-2008 12:47am

misnomer wrote: »

In seconds the were surrounded by people shouting at them all with thier mobile phones taking photos and shouting at them telling them they had thier photos and were going to report them them for abuse.
When they returned to store later I asked what happened, the man had been dealing heroin on the street.
I wonder if these bystanders cared that heroin was been sold in the middle of the day in a busy retail area where school children frequent.

The bystanders could have been thwarted customers, thus explaining their indignancy.

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

And that management company is still there, theres a gate on the carpark and its UPPER Abbey Street not Middle. I would have thought you knew the address of your own company.

A bit of the oul' foot in mouth syndrome there, Karl, imo. I could be wrong on this, and apologies if I am confusing you with another Garda poster, but did you not say (months ago) that you treat everyone you come into contact with (at a checkpoint) as a possible suspect? Is this how you are trained, and, if so, are you also given techniques to disguise this attitude so that the ordinary decent motorist does not go away from the encounter with a bad taste in his or her mouth?

eroo · 06-11-2008 1:02am

Terrontress wrote: »

And as I have stated previously, I don't have much experience on being on the wrong side of the law so my views are based on media reports, anecdotal evidence and supposition.

Must..resist..urge..

FGR · 06-11-2008 2:23am

Although I can see where this thread has gone I can't help but believe that TheNog had set it up for this very reason - good and healthy debate.

There's always going to be a person who has had a bad dealing with the Gardai. I'm sure the same could be said about many other Police Forces in the world - the only difference in my opinion being that AGS is advertised as a service and has a history of close interaction with the community. This is unlike other forces which are branded as something completely different. In many cases the Police are branches of military forces and are not 'expected' to be approachable.

Because of the above, imo; the Irish Public do not want to lose their close contact with the Gardai. Although the State and Garda Management claimsthat they value community involvement; they also demand that there be a police force that tackles all forms of crime and provides a return for same. There are many senior and retired Gardai who were never 'pulled' due to a low return in older times. These men and women made up for that with community interaction and exercise of discretion..however this is no longer the case in modern Ireland. So what happens..? Joe public ends up feeling hard done by when their tax is out by three weeks; yet gets no satisfaction when they're told the Gardai cannot track down someone who might have broken into their car.

I don't blame the public for feeling disheartened..and don't get me wrong; many members do use their discretion but not as freely as they would like to or would have had in the past. Junior members have their own 'classification' on Garda records now. They're being watched for their returns and nothing more...no wonder there are so many people feeling this way.

When it comes to general courtesy I try my best to be as polite as possible - however it's very easy to get the wrong impression from someone in this job and it is difficult to see what some people want. It is also very easy to become defensive when all you've been doing was putting up with constant agression during your five Public Order Arrests the night before.

That's my 2 cents. Looking from both sides of the fence we as members are caught between a rock and a hard place; whilst the public are hard done by. It's not fair on anyone until the role of AGS receives the resources it requires to meet it's expectations from the public and the state.

brayblue24 · 06-11-2008 10:17am

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Although I can see where this thread has gone I can't help but believe that TheNog had set it up for this very reason - good and healthy debate.

There's always going to be a person who has had a bad dealing with the Gardai. I'm sure the same could be said about many other Police Forces in the world - the only difference in my opinion being that AGS is advertised as a service and has a history of close interaction with the community. This is unlike other forces which are branded as something completely different. In many cases the Police are branches of military forces and are not 'expected' to be approachable.

Because of the above, imo; the Irish Public do not want to lose their close contact with the Gardai. Although the State and Garda Management claimsthat they value community involvement; they also demand that there be a police force that tackles all forms of crime and provides a return for same. There are many senior and retired Gardai who were never 'pulled' due to a low return in older times. These men and women made up for that with community interaction and exercise of discretion..however this is no longer the case in modern Ireland. So what happens..? Joe public ends up feeling hard done by when their tax is out by three weeks; yet gets no satisfaction when they're told the Gardai cannot track down someone who might have broken into their car.

I don't blame the public for feeling disheartened..and don't get me wrong; many members do use their discretion but not as freely as they would like to or would have had in the past. Junior members have their own 'classification' on Garda records now. They're being watched for their returns and nothing more...no wonder there are so many people feeling this way.

When it comes to general courtesy I try my best to be as polite as possible - however it's very easy to get the wrong impression from someone in this job and it is difficult to see what some people want. It is also very easy to become defensive when all you've been doing was putting up with constant agression during your five Public Order Arrests the night before.

That's my 2 cents. Looking from both sides of the fence we as members are caught between a rock and a hard place; whilst the public are hard done by. It's not fair on anyone until the role of AGS receives the resources it requires to meet it's expectations from the public and the state.

+1

Says it all really

daveharnett · 07-11-2008 4:28pm

ForegoneReality wrote: »

AGS is advertised as a service and has a history of close interaction with the community. This is unlike other forces which are branded as something completely different. In many cases the Police are branches of military forces and are not 'expected' to be approachable.

Because of the above, imo; the Irish Public do not want to lose their close contact with the Gardai. Although the State and Garda Management claimsthat they value community involvement; they also demand that there be a police force that tackles all forms of crime and provides a return for same.

There is another force at work here. Both citizens and Gardai are much more mobile, so it is far more difficult for Gardai and community members to establish a good relationship. It's easy for a Guard to make a decision on discretion when he has known the suspect for ten years, and is familiar with his history and character. It's always going to be more difficult when dealing with a random person on O' Connell St.

This kind of policing does still exists in ireland, but only in small villages. Everyone knows our local guard (and vice versa). He not necessarily well liked, but is well respected. People have a clear idea of what will and won't be tolerated, and people will come to him with problems knowing that he will use common sense and sensitivity in handling them.

As to the poll, I trust gardai individually. I have found that most will do their best to apply both common sense and professional standards to whatever situation they encounter. The big problem IMO is that neither they nor the public seem to have a great deal of faith in the system in which they operate.

daveharnett · 07-11-2008 4:42pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

The_nog is right. Discourtesy is people's biggets problem with gardai. If people liked them, you wouldn't be here explaining about how you have to spend5 hours int he courts, rather than the cop shop.

People like nurses and junior doctors, for example. That's because they have a rep of being friendly to people when they're at their most vulnerable, as oposed to the gardai who have a tendency towards rudeness.

Works both ways. When people are met with hostility, with the best will in the world, they will tend to respond in kind. I'm not suggesting for a moment that nurses or junior doctors have it easy, but they don't face the kind of prejudice that guards do.

I have never found a guard to be rude or discourteous, once he/she realises that I regard them as a person rather than a uniform.

m4j · 07-11-2008 5:38pm

TheNog wrote: »

Topic of discussion - Do you trust the Gardai to do the job that is necessary to protect the public and investigate crime?

Ok this is probably going to be a contentious thread so some rules first

1. No full time or part time members are allowed to vote

2. If you feel you have a grievance then post a clear picture of the event where you felt you were treated badly

3. Ensure you are open to honest opinions 'cos that is what you will get

4. Charter rules apply. Any breach of the Charter will get a warning first. Second breach will earn you a few days holidays from this forum. This applies to first time and regular posters alike.

The Work of the AGS is unique both as a Police Sevice and as a profession, it involves times of extreme danger, emotional and physical challenge and long hours of frustration and paperwork. There are few professions when an individual can be writing reports one day to cutting down a hanging victim the next. It is only natural that some members might not be so pleasant when met with routine requests, it is only natural to be cautious when confronted by people outside. Reading the thread I think alot of people dont understand the job or appreciate the people who do it. There is frustration with the members, when the frustration should be with the laws and in some respects Garda Management.

I have gained experience with members at many levels, at times I have seen what I understood at the time to be rudness and just ignorance, later I learned that this opinion was wrong and based on my own ignorance. I have seen members spit at, attacked and abused and still able to be professional and proactive. I have seen members in distress and in need of alot more support than is offered by the service but yet show a level of committment to continuing to do the job that would not be found in other professions. I have wittnessed community Policing at its best were security and peace of mind has been maintained and assured.

I believe we have an extremely professional service that is under resourced, not appreciated and misunderstood by some. This is a police force for the people of Ireland and so we have a role in ensuring it is supported and understood, most only have an opinion when seeing the negative. I know when I sleep at night if in need I can call a number and trained officers will arrive, in some countries they do not have this luxury at all. We also have a role in modelling respect of the force to the youth in our society, whatever way some might feel it is vital that we pass on such human qualities to the young generation such as Respect, Pride and the importance of feeling safe to be ones self, the role the AGS plays in our society is alot wider than the job they do and if we dont focus on the positives and work on the negatives we will have more trouble to come.

Sorry thats the end of my rant:D

TheNog · 07-11-2008 5:47pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

I thought he was saying that he would like a zero tolerance system, but that in the absence of that, he would at least like the gardai to tackle high level crime.

tallaght01 wrote: »

You can compare the health service situation if you like. But doctors and nurses constantly get rated as the most trusted professions. I think they have a good rep as they TEND to be courteous, even under horrific conditions.

junior docs and nurses take a lot of grief in work, due to the high stress. But, when everyone is calm and reasoned, you don't get many people giving out about those professionals in the way you do about gardai.

Not a good comparision between Gardai and Doctors/Nurses simply because while it is very apparent Doctors/Nurses save lives and treat ill patients, we also save lives through some of the work we do but it is mostly done in a preventative way that is not so obvious as the medical profession.

Also most people who see us tend to think trouble is not far from them which is an incorrect perception. A good bit of my normal day is spent helping people whether it be giving directions or giving advice to signing forms for them.

tallaght01 wrote: »

People do simply find gardai to be discourteous.

I am a man who hates any type of generalisations so I would say that some Gardai are discourteous.

TheNog · 07-11-2008 6:02pm

Hagar wrote: »

I've never heard of anyone being threatened with "being put in hospital" by an ambulance driver or "having their house set alight" by a fireman for complaining face-to-face but I have heard of people being threatened by Gardaí with "being taken down to the station" for being cheeky.

It really depends how cheeky the people were. I have come across people who have been cheeky to me usually when drunk. Some incidents would be minor enough and not warrant any further action to the more serious ones where people curse at you or like the fella I had a while ago who refused to get off the middle of the street when I asked him to. He told me to "**** off. This is my town and no one is going to tell me what to do".

Needless to say he was swiftly lifted.

esel wrote: »

A bit of the oul' foot in mouth syndrome there, Karl, imo. I could be wrong on this, and apologies if I am confusing you with another Garda poster, but did you not say (months ago) that you treat everyone you come into contact with (at a checkpoint) as a possible suspect? Is this how you are trained, and, if so, are you also given techniques to disguise this attitude so that the ordinary decent motorist does not go away from the encounter with a bad taste in his or her mouth?

I highlighted possible suspect because that is what everyone we meet them (who we don't know) but they can be possible suspects ,not suspects. It is only when our suspicions are aroused to an extent will they be actual suspects.

If we didn't do this the chances of us seeking out and detecting criminals would be severely diminished. You have to remember the criminals are clever enough to blend into the crowd so some can be dressed as well as a banker and as friendly as a priest. Granted sometimes we do get it wrong.

There are various methods a guard can use to establish if a person is not who they claim do be which would not be appropriate to post. Some methods people will know and others they will not but the trick is to have the innocent party non the wiser to what was going on in a guards head.

Eru · 07-11-2008 7:32pm

Hagar wrote: »

I've never heard of anyone being threatened with "being put in hospital" by an ambulance driver or "having their house set alight" by a fireman for complaining face-to-face but I have heard of people being threatened by Gardaí with "being taken down to the station" for being cheeky.

I wasnt going to post again as I feel I have said my piece and didnt want to take up the thread but this is a silly post Hagar.

First off. ambulance drivers put people in hospital all the time, its their jobs.

Seriously though, Firemen put out fires so to commit arson is both a crime and the direct opposite of their function. Ambulance / medical workers heal wounds so again, commiting assault would be a crime and the direct opposite of their function.

How can you compare this to a Garda arresting someone? Seriously, how is this accurate? Should we be releasing people from custody? A Garda arresting someone is their function and not a crime.

Oh, and if you get into the face of an ambulance driver, a nurse or doctor you will most certainly see yourself very calmly refused treatment and then arrested. Likewise, get in the way of a fireman and you will see them pull back and again, you will be arrested.

If your going to compare the two then you have to ask, why arent firemen out patroling to prevent fires? If Gardai are at fault for crime being commited then are firemen to blame for fires?

Hagar · 07-11-2008 7:50pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

I wasnt going to post again as I feel I have said my piece and didnt want to take up the thread but this is a silly post Hagar.

First off. ambulance drivers put people in hospital all the time, its their jobs.

Seriously though, Firemen put out fires so to commit arson is both a crime and the direct opposite of their function. Ambulance / medical workers heal wounds so again, commiting assault would be a crime and the direct opposite of their function.

How can you compare this to a Garda arresting someone? Seriously, how is this accurate? Should we be releasing people from custody? A Garda arresting someone is their function and not a crime.

Oh, and if you get into the face of an ambulance driver, a nurse or doctor you will most certainly see yourself very calmly refused treatment and then arrested. Likewise, get in the way of a fireman and you will see them pull back and again, you will be arrested.

I'm not talking about scum getting lippy with Gardai, TBH do what you like with them, I have a shovel, I'll help with the bodies.

I'm talking about some Gardai who, when faced with a member of the public who knows his rights in a certain situation, resort to the bullying "don't get cheeky with me. I'm the law". Gardaí are not the Law, they are not Judge Dredd, they are the guardians of the law which is a whole different ball game. Some of them can't see the difference. Thankfully they are in a minority, unfortunately they are what sticks out in the mind when people think of the Gardaí. When you expect courtesy and receive it you don't make note of it, when you expect courtesy and don't get it it sticks in you mind.

Recently I have had an experience with the Gardaí, I can't go into details publicly, but I have to say I was astounded and humbled by the humanity and decency of the Garda involved. I suppose that's why I made some of my posts. I am annoyed that there are so many gobshytes in the force undermining the total respect that people like her deserve.

Karen ******* you are a legend.

CLADA · 07-11-2008 8:29pm

Hagar wrote: »

Recently I have had an experience with the Gardaí, I can't go into details publicly, but I have to say I was astounded and humbled by the humanity and decency of the Garda involved. I suppose that's why I made some of my posts. I am annoyed that there are so many gobshytes in the force undermining the total respect that people like her deserve.

Karen ******* you are a legend.

There have been many posts complaining about gardai since this forum was set up but none have stooped as low as this.

Hagar, I am disgusted that you would accuse any Garda of displaying humanity and decency and I demand you retract those comments.

If you would like to PM me with her name and station I will ensure she is disciplined immediately.

On a serious note. Fair play Karen:cool:

Paulzx · 07-11-2008 9:34pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

If your going to compare the two then you have to ask, why arent firemen out patroling to prevent fires?

Shhhhhh!!!!. Christ Karlitos the walls have ears around here. Don't say stuff like that out loud. Some idiot of a pen pusher might start thinking that's a great idea. I can just picture the bureacrats setting up a " working group" to investigate the "viability" of constant patrolling by the fire service in order to increase advertising of the "corporate brand".Oh god i think i need to lie down:eek:

Eru · 07-11-2008 9:43pm

As long as I get a bonus for this great idea Paul

Hagar,
Too be honest, most people that 'know the law' dont know **** and watch too much US cop shows. Thats just the reality, Saturday nights I hear that a lot. How I cant arrest him or her because....blah blah blah. How somethings not a crime even though I just told them the exact law. How often do Gardai threaten to arrest someone for a non-crime? Very rarely I would say. Jesus, even the Maydayers have 'legal advisers' that get more people in trouble than out of it because of their 'advice'.

Hagar · 07-11-2008 9:51pm

Even the ones battered to shit by Robocop, with his numbers off?

He is atypical but he's still a cop today.

TheNog · 07-11-2008 11:54pm

Hagar wrote: »

Even the ones battered to shit by Robocop, with his numbers off?

He is atypical but he's still a cop today.

We have covered this already in another thread. The reason his numbers were off was cos he had finished duty when he got a call on his mobile about what was thought to be a riot.

Also if you closely at the vids on youtube you will see that nearly all his actions that were filmed were justifiable as far as I could see. That's why is was found innocent before a jury.

How do you perceive the overall work of the Gardai

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