Lenny, Alek and Rob's cyclo crossbromance

ford2600 · 13-10-2015 5:39pm

lennymc wrote: »

just curious - of the current racers, how many started on an MTB and moved on to a CX bike? I know of at least one, and conversely, I know I started CX racing so I'd have an excuse to buy another bike

FYP

Beasty · 13-10-2015 8:52pm

lennymc wrote: »

I know I bought a CX bike specifically to start CX racing.

Thought you had bought a track bike specifically to start track racing, but I've seen no evidence of either yet ....:pac:

RobFowl · 13-10-2015 8:58pm

Beasty wrote: »

Thought you had bought a track bike specifically to start track racing, but I've seen no evidence of either yet ....:pac:

Infraction given

The only time the T word is allowed in here is when talking about the Orangefield cross race or the sundrive track team organised Muddy cup....

inc21 · 13-10-2015 11:07pm

If you guys don't mind travelling, my club is going to run CX in Mallow Co. Cork on 1st November.
https://www.facebook.com/events/504661599693443/

eeeee · 13-10-2015 11:25pm

RobFowl wrote: »

Infraction given

The only time the T word is allowed in here is when talking about the Orangefield cross race or the sundrive track team organised Muddy cup....

I've heard 'cross is good for track :P

RobFowl · 14-10-2015 9:20am

gadetra wrote: »

I've heard 'cross is good for track :P

1 day ban
Any more of this and I'll make it a month :cool:

RobFowl · 14-10-2015 9:21am

gadetra wrote: »

I've heard 'cross is good :P

Post fixed ....

Tenzor07 · 14-10-2015 9:29am

inc21 wrote: »

If you guys don't mind travelling, my club is going to run CX in Mallow Co. Cork on 1st November.
https://www.facebook.com/events/504661599693443/

Great to see the South getting in on the CX act.. Was a bit of a drive to say the least for you guys getting up to Dublin... Or Norn Iron...!

lennymc · 14-10-2015 9:52am

Beasty wrote: »

Thought you had bought a track bike specifically to start track racing, but I've seen no evidence of either yet ....:pac:

you mean you don't remember me beating you at sundrive?

Beasty · 14-10-2015 1:03pm

lennymc wrote: »

you mean you don't remember me beating you at sundrive?

I remember that lead out I gave you..... (was that on your new bike?)

lennymc · 14-10-2015 1:24pm

Beasty wrote: »

I remember that lead out I gave you..... (was that on your new bike?)

I dont remember you giving me a lead out, but I do remember you getting in my way a lot.

Raam · 14-10-2015 1:24pm

lennymc wrote: »

just curious - of the current racers, how many started on an MTB and moved on to a CX bike? I know of at least one, and conversely, I know I bought a CX bike specifically to start CX racing.

I bought a CX bike to start racing. I already had an MTB. In my first race Seymour lapped me just before he finished so I was second to finish in my first race. Well pleased with that one. :pac:

dave2pvd · 14-10-2015 7:03pm

Don't exclude MTBs. Even if its just incremental, you're adding to the pool of racers.

Add more categories! With your numbers, senior A and B only is not enough. I know, I know, too hard to get volunteers.... So try harder on that front. Maybe pull some of the sandwich volunteers

Have a look at this. Typical turnout is 200-300 (but sometimes more). There are 6 separate events. You typically have 3 in Ireland, right? I think 4 or 5 would make for an improvement:

Order of Races
Category Start Time Duration Entry Prizes/Places
Women 4, Men 5 Junior 15-18/10-14 10:00 AM 30 min. $25/$10
Elite Masters 40+/50+ (1,2,3) 10:45 AM 45 min. $25
Kids race (short laps) 11:45 AM short laps FREE
Elite Women (1,2,3), Men 4 12:15 AM 45 min. $30/$25
Men Pro, CX1/2 , Men CX3 1:15 PM 60 min. $30/$25
Single Speed, Masters 35+ (CX 4/5) 2:30 PM 30 min. $25

Mr. Grieves · 14-10-2015 7:49pm

dave2pvd wrote: »

Don't exclude MTBs. Even if its just incremental, you're adding to the pool of racers.

Add more categories! With your numbers, senior A and B only is not enough. I know, I know, too hard to get volunteers.... So try harder on that front. Maybe pull some of the sandwich volunteers

Have a look at this. Typical turnout is 200-300 (but sometimes more). There are 6 separate events. You typically have 3 in Ireland, right? I think 4 or 5 would make for an improvement:

Order of Races
Category Start Time Duration Entry Prizes/Places
Women 4, Men 5 Junior 15-18/10-14 10:00 AM 30 min. $25/$10
Elite Masters 40+/50+ (1,2,3) 10:45 AM 45 min. $25
Kids race (short laps) 11:45 AM short laps FREE
Elite Women (1,2,3), Men 4 12:15 AM 45 min. $30/$25
Men Pro, CX1/2 , Men CX3 1:15 PM 60 min. $30/$25
Single Speed, Masters 35+ (CX 4/5) 2:30 PM 30 min. $25

I'd be wary of going down the US route of tons of categories. Cyclocross is supposed to be a mass start race, with all that entails tactically and technically, making for close racing right the way through the field. 6 separate races for 200 people could turn some people's race into a one hour time trial.

dave2pvd · 14-10-2015 7:56pm

Mr. Grieves wrote: »

I'd be wary of going down the US route of tons of categories. Cyclocross is supposed to be a mass start race, with all that entails tactically and technically, making for close racing right the way through the field. 6 separate races for 200 people could turn some people's race into a one hour time trial.

FYI - there's no 'US route'. Attendance in New Hampshire would be way different from attendance in Florida for instance. The promoter's goal is to structure the race day appropriately for the attendance. The sweet spot (IMO) for an 8min lap is ~40-50 riders for the bigger categories. Ideally, a season-long race series would keep the same schedule for each event.

Tenzor07 · 14-10-2015 8:07pm

Nahhhh.... Too much complication there.. B race, start off in, stay in for a few years.. most use it as a stop gap between racing seasons... Go have a shot at the A race and try stay ahead of the race leaders..

All these extra categories puts too much pressure on both Venue's and race organisers... this is wee Ireland not big USA!

dave2pvd · 14-10-2015 8:48pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

All these extra categories puts too much pressure on both Venue's and race organisers... this is wee Ireland not big USA!

Wee Ireland? Look at your attendance!

Anyway, I'll stop now. Need to go make a sandwich.

Lusk_Doyle · 14-10-2015 10:51pm

lennymc wrote: »

you mean you don't remember me beating you at sundrive?

His memory is not what it used to be. He had a crash you know?

The tax man · 14-10-2015 10:56pm

Highlights from Soudal Classics Round 1 - GP Neerpelt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUp5ZKW6I-k

Beasty · 14-10-2015 10:57pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

His memory is not what it used to be. He had a crash you know?

Did I

Lusk_Doyle · 14-10-2015 11:03pm

Beasty wrote: »

Did I

Nope. Imagine the tales that you could tell if you had though!

lennymc · 15-10-2015 10:56am

dave2pvd wrote: »

Don't exclude MTBs. Even if its just incremental, you're adding to the pool of racers.

if you are preventing people with cx bikes from racing their cx bikes in a cx race by allowing MTBs in, I would be all in favour of not allowing MTBs.

nak · 15-10-2015 11:08am

lennymc wrote: »

if you are preventing people with cx bikes from racing their cx bikes in a cx race by allowing MTBs in, I would be all in favour of not allowing MTBs.

Agreed, and if we started asking the mountain bike race organisers to put on a CX support race, it wouldn't be entertained.

Lumen · 15-10-2015 11:14am

lennymc wrote: »

if you are preventing people with cx bikes from racing their cx bikes in a cx race by allowing MTBs in, I would be all in favour of not allowing MTBs.

Maybe the MTBers could all be put in a sort of holding pen (call it a "ghetto" for extra street cred) until all the CXers have signed on, and be given armbands to help identify them in case they wander out. The armbands could have stars on to make them feel special.

Alek · 15-10-2015 11:18am

Maybe the MTBers could all be put in a sort of holding pen (call it a "ghetto" for extra street cred) until all the CXers have signed on, and be given armbands to help identify them in case they wander out. The armbands could have stars on to make them feel special.

Your irony has just crossed a thin line.

lennymc · 15-10-2015 11:33am

Tenzor07 · 15-10-2015 12:16pm

What the guys up in Ulster CX did was to start MTB riders at the back of the grid behind those on CX bikes...

Besides, the B race you can enter on either MTB or CX bike, doesn't matter! Anyone who has an issue with that is welcome to go to the A race...

nak · 15-10-2015 12:58pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What the guys up in Ulster CX did was to start MTB riders at the back of the grid behind those on CX bikes....

Ulster league has a separate support race for mountain bikes. The female mountain bikers race has been moved to the women's CX race this year and they start at the back of the grid.

Alek · 15-10-2015 1:28pm

Anyone who has an issue with that

I assume you are representing organizers of every single CX race around?

I wish this rule was changed, and we can discuss it here, or can we not?

lennymc · 15-10-2015 1:34pm

Alek wrote: »

I assume you are representing organizers of every single CX race around?

I wish this rule was changed, and we can discuss it here, or can we not?

I don't see any reason why we couldn't discuss both the reasons for and the reasons against in here.

Lenny, Alek and Rob's cyclo crossbromance

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