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2015 NFL Draft

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Conor Cook is going back to school.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 14
    2 Tennessee Titans 2 14
    3 Jacksonville Jaguars 3 13
    4 Oakland Raiders 3 13
    5 Washington Redskins 4 12
    6 New York Jets 4 12
    7 Chicago Bears 5 11
    8 Atlanta Falcons 6 10
    9 New York Giants 6 10
    10 St. Louis Rams 6 10
    11 Minnesota Vikings 7 9
    12 Cleveland Browns 7 9
    13 New Orleans Saints 7 9
    14 Miami Dolphins 8 8
    15 San Francisco 49ers 8 8
    16 Houston Texans 9 7
    17 San Diego Chargers 9 7
    18 Kansas City Chiefs 9 7
    19 Cleveland Browns (BUF) 9 7
    20 Philadelphia Eagles 10 6


    For those who are not playoff bound here are the top 20 picks as reported by CBS

    The Browns of course has two top 20 picks as they hold the Bills pick from the Sammy Watkins trade

    CBS state this is the final order and no coin flips are necessary. The Cowboys won a coin flip over the Ravens last year
    For the NFL Draft, the first tiebreaker rule is strength of schedule (SOS), the easier SOS earning the earlier selection. Division and Conference tiebreakers are next and if teams are still tied, a coin flip will determine the team that picks first. However, no coin flips will be necessary for the 2015 NFL Draft order.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Dohnny Jepp


    After the least enjoyable and most frustrating season I've had to sit through, my team then goes and misses out on the first pick. It's just so frustrating that there is one worthwhile QB to draft this year and the one team that is also desperate for a QB is the one team that drafts ahead of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Shawn Oakman staying in school for another year. I'm surprised, but he could easily lock himself in as a top 5 pick next year so it may pay off for him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    After the least enjoyable and most frustrating season I've had to sit through, my team then goes and misses out on the first pick. It's just so frustrating that there is one worthwhile QB to draft this year and the one team that is also desperate for a QB is the one team that drafts ahead of us.

    Mariota or Winston?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Silver-Tiger


    Who's The Aaron Donald of this year's draft?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Dohnny Jepp


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Mariota or Winston?

    Mariota!

    I think there's more of a chance of Winston ending up in prison than a successful NFL starting QB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    DGB is entering the draft according to Bob Stoops.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    DGB is entering the draft according to Bob Stoops.

    Not a fan of the move. Had he gone back to school he would have been a 1st rounder next year most likely. Think he goes in the 4th now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭nerd69


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Not a fan of the move. Had he gone back to school he would have been a 1st rounder next year most likely. Think he goes in the 4th now.

    i think he will go higher some team will **** the bed and grab him late 2nd but ya 1 more year and he was likely a high 1st


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Not a fan of the move. Had he gone back to school he would have been a 1st rounder next year most likely. Think he goes in the 4th now.



    If he lights up the combine and gets through the interview process he's a first round lock this year imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    I know he was training with Oklahoma, but if he had another year of game tape under his belt and less drama, then im sure he'd be the first WR off the board, and almost certainly a top 5 pick. He's basically a Calvin Johnson twin. 6'6" and runs the 40 in the mid 4.3's and has the game tape, albeit not enough if it now, to back it up in terms of production. Would chop my left nut off for the Pats to grab him even with the character concerns. Perhaps the Josh Gordon drama will put a few teams off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,512 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't think there is any chance he would have went ahead of Cooper after the the season he had. He has been the most impressive WR I've seen in a long, long time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    No denying Cooper's talent. Though I do think Beckham is physically far more gifted than any receiver in the last several years. Shame he's a massive idiot, but I guess he's not the first. I'll still be rooting for him though. If he puts it all together, we're talking about Randy Moss level talent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Cooper lacks the physical skills in terms of height and speed. I'd be quite reluctant to take him top 5.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    My Ravens have a few needs and edge closer to cap hell by swallowing over 9 million of dead money for Ray Rice in 2015

    1 - Cornerback
    2 - Defensive end
    3 - Tight End
    4 - Running Back
    5 - Cornerback
    6 - Offensive tackle
    7 - Wide reciever

    I reckon they'll get a cheapish wide reciever in free agency. This franchise never invested big money in the position


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭nerd69


    iv seen enough I'm going to say it here and now jameis winston is going to be the number 1 overall pick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    I definitely think he should be, and I'd take him #1 provided I needed a QB. But hard to know what Tampa Bay will do. There may be concerns about a Florida team drafting him and keeping him in Florida.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    I definitely think he should be, and I'd take him #1 provided I needed a QB. But hard to know what Tampa Bay will do. There may be concerns about a Florida team drafting him and keeping him in Florida.

    Would the recent failure of other FSU QB's impact your thinking on him in any way?

    Mariota's off field character will see him go before Winston I think, but I think the team that drafts Mariota will have to have some patience. Winston looks much more ready from a skill set standpoint but the off field stuff would really worry me.

    I think they both have bust potential but for polar opposite reasons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    East-West Shrine game kicks off at 9pm our time. Josh Norris has a preview of who to watch:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/51648/351/norris-e-w-shrine-review
    Rather than breakdown the East and West rosters position by position, I decided to take this review a different way. Honestly, after the first day it was fairly obvious who the prospects were that had a chance to impress this week. Those players put on consistent performances each day, standing out in individual and team drills. With that said, these rankings are not based solely on this event (as you will see with some prospects that had “down” weeks), but rather how I rank the prospects moving forward.

    You will notice a trend in certain positions being listed. That was not on purpose, but I truly feel those spots generated the most talent this week and are some of the deeper positions in this year’s draft. As a side note, I will have my Senior Bowl preview posted soon along with updates throughout next week.

    1. WR Tre McBride, William & Mary - The clear top prospect at the event. McBride consistently generated separation from corners in one on one drills at a variety of levels with a variety of routes. McBride still came down with contested or acrobatic catches even when covered. He is not locked to one alignment and McBride could even win from the slot.

    2. EDGE Za’Darius Smith, Kentucky - Honestly, Smith did not do much to impress onlookers this week. He will not wow with athleticism, however, Smith will win with technique and power. Few use their hands as consistently on first contact and to generate momentum on counter moves. In this deep EDGE class, look from Smith to land on the third day unless he surprises at the Combine.

    3. G John Miller, Louisville - My offensive darkhorse for first E-W Shrine attendee selected this spring. I really, really like Miller’s game. First, he is powerful on initial contact to stop his opponents’ momentum. Add on an athletic lower half and experience playing both on the left and right side, and I don’t see why Miller won’t contribute as a rookie.

    4. LB/EDGE Deiontrez Mount, Louisville - A personal favorite prior to the event, Mount held up much better at the second level than I expected. Coaches did put him in a situation to win during practice: on the line of scrimmage as a strong side linebacker. Mount was a sub-package player at Louisville and could have a role and impact if landing with the right team. What is the correct fit? Don’t be surprised if it is as a drop linebacker in an odd man front.

    5. WR Deon Long, Maryland - Long consistently created separation with quickness off the line and burst in breaks. I will go on record saying I believe Long will have a better career at receiver than teammate Stefon Diggs.

    6. CB Damian Swann, Georgia - My defensive darkhorse for first E-W Shrine attendee selected this spring. Swann’s Georgia tape is a lot of fun to watch, as he flashes extreme aggression for the position, especially when asked to blitz. He absolutely held up in one on ones this week and started to anticipate routes and movements towards the end of the week.

    7. CB Justin Coleman, Tennessee - Swann and Coleman seemed to form a kind of rapport and would discuss movements and routes for specific receivers. Like Swann, Coleman is also physical for the position and it plays into contesting the catch point. And again, like Swann he has experience playing in the slot.

    8. OL Sean Hickey, Syracuse - Not the strongest, or the longest, or the most athletic, Hickey gets the job done and will likely do so at guard in the NFL. I will write it again in this piece, but so many young offensive lineman are forced to play in the NFL. If Hickey is one, he can be at least adequate. Absorbing power might be his biggest issue.

    9. WR Darren Waller, Georgia Tech - Landing spot will be important for Waller, but what I like most is that he wins within his limitations. Waller is not quick twitch and will not separate in breaks. But off the line he flashed power and kept beating corners downfield. He was very good at tracking the football over his shoulder or within frame. Size can be an asset if Waller’s quarterback is willing to take those risk throws.

    10. RB Malcolm Brown, Texas - Running backs rarely shine at all star events due to practice rules. It is difficult to see their ability to break first contact, which I viewed as Brown’s strength along with vision and decisiveness behind slanting or zone blocking lines.

    11. CB Josh Shaw, USC - Shaw was very physical and pushed his opponent out of bounds along the sideline or stood them up with a jam on more than one occasion. I could definitely see Shaw as a possible safety conversion, which is not a slight. Expect to see a number of corners from the 2015 class be asked to make the switch.

    12. LB Ben Heeney, Kansas - Linebacker play is greatly impacted by the defensive linemen shielding them. Poor defensive line play makes life more difficult for linebackers. Behind a good line, Henney can definitely be effective. He can diagnose and get downhill. I was actually surprised at how comfortable Heeney looked in coverage.

    13. LB Taiwan Jones, Michigan State - In preparation, I made a bad choice and watched Jones versus Oregon. He was forced to undertake responsibilities he was obviously uncomfortable with. He will be more successful as a traditional strong side linebacker.

    14. TE Wes Saxton, South Alabama - I was hoping to see more athleticism from Saxton this week, but that can still be put on display at the Combine. He is not a blocker and even struggled in one on ones versus linebackers as a pass protector. At best, Saxton can be a role player. However, any team who drafts him will likely have a plan and understand that role limitation.

    15. CB Craig Mager, Texas State - Like Swann and Coleman, Mager impressed on the East squad. He bought into the physical play in one on ones but allowed a bit more separation on routes than the other two. regardless, he was impressive during the season and during practice.

    16. WR Jordan Taylor, Rice
    17. T Darrian Miller, Kentucky
    18. DL Derrick Lott, UT-Chattanooga
    19. S Detrick Bonner, Virginia Tech
    20. DL Daryl Waud, Western University
    21. DL David Parry, Stanford
    22. RB John Crockett, Notre Dakota State
    23. OL B.J. Finney, Kansas State
    24. OL Greg Mancz, Toledo
    25. QB Taylor Heinicke, Old Dominion


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    2 former college QB's are making the move to new positions.

    At last weeks Shrine Game Devin Gardener (Michigan) moved to WR & this week Nick Marshall (Auburn) is moving to corner.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭heyjude


    Quite a few teams have developed a reputation for their ability to draft quality players in the later rounds of the draft, with a few routinely trading away first round picks to extra picks in later rounds, but an analysis of this years' All Pro roster shows that any team will struggle to find the real stars if they blow their first round picks.

    Of the 27 players on this years All pro team (12 on offense, 12 on defense and three specialists) - 14 were taken in the first round, with one going first overall (defensive end Mario Williams). There were four second-rounders, three third-rounders, one fourth-rounder, one fifth-rounder, one sixth-rounder and one seventh-rounder. Two players began their careers as undrafted free agents(FB John Kuhn and kicker Adam Vinatieri)

    So over half the All Pro roster were drafted in the first round, compared to just 4 in rounds 4-7, yet the late round gems did include Elvis Dumervil(4th round), Richard Sherman(5th round) and Antonio Brown(6th round).

    see http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462145/article/2014-nfl-allpro-team-draft-history-for-every-player


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,824 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    heyjude wrote: »
    Quite a few teams have developed a reputation for their ability to draft quality players in the later rounds of the draft, with a few routinely trading away first round picks to extra picks in later rounds, but an analysis of this years' All Pro roster shows that any team will struggle to find the real stars if they blow their first round picks.

    Of the 27 players on this years All pro team (12 on offense, 12 on defense and three specialists) - 14 were taken in the first round, with one going first overall (defensive end Mario Williams). There were four second-rounders, three third-rounders, one fourth-rounder, one fifth-rounder, one sixth-rounder and one seventh-rounder. Two players began their careers as undrafted free agents(FB John Kuhn and kicker Adam Vinatieri)

    So over half the All Pro roster were drafted in the first round, compared to just 4 in rounds 4-7, yet the late round gems did include Elvis Dumervil(4th round), Richard Sherman(5th round) and Antonio Brown(6th round).

    see http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462145/article/2014-nfl-allpro-team-draft-history-for-every-player

    Which just stands to reason, of course. But it never stops people using outliers like Brady or Foster as though they are typical, or as if they prove that scouts are just guessing or that the draft is just a big lottery. More common than the great late round picks, are the major busts in the first, I'd imagine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,671 ✭✭✭ScummyMan


    I haven't really been following college football this year, any decent ILBs to be got? As a Packers fan we could use one!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    ScummyMan wrote: »
    I haven't really been following college football this year, any decent ILBs to be got? As a Packers fan we could use one!

    Denzel Perryman from the U would probably be the best of this years bunch. He is very strong against the run and can hold up well in coverage. He finished the year with 102 tackles, 3 forced fumbles, 2 sacks & 1 int, I would be doubtful he would be around for your pick, he could go late teens.

    The other 2 potential 1st rounders would be Eric Kendricks from UCLA and Benardick McKinney from Mississippi State.

    Kendricks is a very solid player with great experience playing for UCLA. He is again a 3 down player and a tackling machine. McKinney is 6'5 and can line up inside or out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭nerd69


    worth mentioning kendricks brother is playing lights out at an nfl level at the moment


  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭tgdaly


    Less than 2 weeks to the combine! Are Mariota and Winston going to be there?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    tgdaly wrote: »
    Less than 2 weeks to the combine! Are Mariota and Winston going to be there?

    Be there I would say yes, throwing I would say no.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Agree neither throw which is a bit ****


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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭tgdaly


    Agree neither throw which is a bit ****

    Would surely make sense for Mariota to throw no? I hear there is a lot of questions among the scouts as to whether he can make all the NFL throws. I hear people are pretty much sold on Winston's throwing ability, it's just his off the field stuff that worries them


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