Formula 1 2012: General Discussion Thread

Andrew76 · 11-10-2012 9:30pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

No Hulkenberg or Vergen

I think maybe that's Hulkenberg beside Ricciardo rather than Kimi. Too skinny to be Kimi. His absence would also fit in with his don't care about the rest of them attitude. Unless that's him sitting around the corner over to the right.

Doesn't look like Heidfeld beside the Hulk, couldn't be Pic could it? Vergne between Pastor and Alonso at the end. Could be totally wrong though. :pac:

potholes84 · 11-10-2012 10:03pm

Ya thats not Heidfeld. Its Dani Clos I reckon. He has same tshirt on as pedro and he driving for HRT in P1 this weekend.

Max_Charger · 11-10-2012 10:03pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

I think maybe that's Hulkenberg beside Ricciardo rather than Kimi. Too skinny to be Kimi. His absence would also fit in with his don't care about the rest of them attitude. Unless that's him sitting around the corner over to the right.

Doesn't look like Heidfeld beside the Hulk, couldn't be Pic could it? Vergne between Pastor and Alonso at the end. Could be totally wrong though. :pac:

With the white pair of sunglasses infront of him on the table, it's kimi alright :pac:

11-10-2012 10:30pm

potholes84 wrote: »

Ya thats not Heidfeld. Its Dani Clos I reckon. He has same tshirt on as pedro and he driving for HRT in P1 this weekend.

Actually I reckon you're right. Strange that he would be allowed but none of the other 3rd drivers.

So that must be JEV further down beside Alonso.

Andrew76 · 12-10-2012 11:08am

Max_Charger wrote: »

With the white pair of sunglasses infront of him on the table, it's kimi alright :pac:

If we can spot a Magnum ice cream then that's proof enough for me. Or maybe he missed the photo as he "was taking a sh1t".

Rascasse · 12-10-2012 2:11pm

So, Vijay is a wanted man. Not a first for F1, though I doubt FI will be kicked out of F1 like Andrea Moda were.

I can't see Vijay holding on to the team much longer. I just hope he sells to the right person. Someone with real money behind them. Perhaps a manufacturer like VW group.

Charlie-Bravo · 12-10-2012 11:21pm

Worst episode yet...dunno who this series is targeted for?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yVDDXr2EzU

Was looking at F1 Race Stars - seriously, are they releasing an F1 game in November? Eh, they should yet wait till March next year and get the characters current. Lewis in McLaren overalls FFS.

brownacid · 13-10-2012 12:08am

Rascasse wrote: »

So, Vijay is a wanted man. Not a first for F1, though I doubt FI will be kicked out of F1 like Andrea Moda were.

I can't see Vijay holding on to the team much longer. I just hope he sells to the right person. Someone with real money behind them. Perhaps a manufacturer like VW group.

Fúck that, EJ to buy it back at a fraction of what he sold it at! Would absolultely love Jordan GP back in teh game, show red bull how to be the cool team

Rascasse · 13-10-2012 12:11am

brownacid wrote: »

Rascasse wrote: »

So, Vijay is a wanted man. Not a first for F1, though I doubt FI will be kicked out of F1 like Andrea Moda were.

I can't see Vijay holding on to the team much longer. I just hope he sells to the right person. Someone with real money behind them. Perhaps a manufacturer like VW group.

Fúck that, EJ to buy it back at a fraction of what he sold it at! Would absolultely love Jordan GP back in teh game, show red bull how to be the cool team

Actually that would be great. Back in the old early 90's livery.

brownacid · 13-10-2012 12:17am

Rascasse wrote: »

Actually that would be great. Back in the old early 90's livery.

Nah the Buzzin' Hornets livery of 99! Would also stop Coulthard from making snide remarks about him!

13-10-2012 5:31am

Rascasse wrote: »

It wasn't at all as bad as you make it sound. At the end of the '08 season there were a couple of shots of his dad and Massa's family during the races. His Dad was more prominent before the start as Lewis doesn't do media work before the race.

Compared to NASCAR it wasn't bad but aside from title deciders it was the first time they'd bothered showing family members in the wings which is why it was so grating. I think it was in Schumi's 2nd or 3rd race back they showed his wife and Brundle said he wouldn't be happy, she hasn't been shown since. There's a certain decorum about F1 that's different to other sports and it's been wearing away lately and I'm certainly not blaming Hamilton or his family for it but the reason it grated was because what surrounded them was more than what will be mainstream for 10 years from now nevermind 5 years ago.

frostie500 · 13-10-2012 8:42am

It can be good when they show the celebs in the garage....

aphex™ · 13-10-2012 9:46am

Mclaren have feck all sponsorship at the moment. Tooned on the back and MaxiMuscle on the front of the rear wing (hardly big money there?).

Bet they can't wait to get TelMex in! Must be tough times for sponsorship.

Rascasse · 13-10-2012 10:02am

You'd be surprised. Vodafone is allegedly worth $75m per season (although they are pulling out the end of next year), Santander is another $25m. Maximuscle is part of GlaxoSmithKline and alternates with Lucazade (another GSK brand), probably worth $10m+.

TelMex/TelCel/Claro are not coming to McLaren in 2013 at least. Maybe when Vodafone pull out in 2014.

the culture of deference · 14-10-2012 10:30pm

Rascasse wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Vodafone is allegedly worth $75m per season (although they are pulling out the end of next year), Santander is another $25m. Maximuscle is part of GlaxoSmithKline and alternates with Lucazade (another GSK brand), probably worth $10m+.

TelMex/TelCel/Claro are not coming to McLaren in 2013 at least. Maybe when Vodafone pull out in 2014.

How can Vodafone spend that much. What will McLaren do to fill that. Anyone know how much Perez is bringing.

Red Bull have sold more than 12 billion cans in the last 3 years, generating nearly 1.2 billion alone in net profit.

_rebelkid · 14-10-2012 10:52pm

I'm pretty sure Telmex and all them are just regional versions of Vodafone.

_rebelkid · 14-10-2012 10:54pm

New drawings of RBR's DDRS, via FOM

_rebelkid · 14-10-2012 10:57pm

Remember when Aerodynamics was simple? One, uninterrupted cascade wing on the Minardi PS04 from 2004. And a two piece end-plate, one upper element, and one lower element.

Rascasse · 14-10-2012 11:00pm

the culture of deference wrote: »

Rascasse wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Vodafone is allegedly worth $75m per season (although they are pulling out the end of next year), Santander is another $25m. Maximuscle is part of GlaxoSmithKline and alternates with Lucazade (another GSK brand), probably worth $10m+.

TelMex/TelCel/Claro are not coming to McLaren in 2013 at least. Maybe when Vodafone pull out in 2014.

How can Vodafone spend that much. What will McLaren do to fill that. Anyone know how much Perez is bringing.

Red Bull have sold more than 12 billion cans in the last 3 years, generating nearly 1.2 billion alone in net profit.

Vodafone are a huge multinational that, according to wiki, made £7bn profit last year. $75m may seem a lot but the Vodafone brand is present in over 20 country's - 8 of which host grand prixs.

It will be interesting to see who McLaren get to replace them in 2014. Can't imagine TelMex fronting that much when there is no GP's in any of their markets.

Also Perez is bringing no money to McLaren. He's making the move from pay driver to paid driver.

Frank Bullitt · 15-10-2012 9:28am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

If this had "Eddie Jordan understands..." at the start then It would have some legs to it.

But I'm not sure they would openly let it be know so early, does anyone think it will happen?

Daniel S · 15-10-2012 10:16am

Gintonious wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

If this had "Eddie Jordan understands..." at the start then It would have some legs to it.

But I'm not sure they would openly let it be know so early, does anyone think it will happen?

It looks like it will happen, but they will have two number one drivers unless one of them has a massive drop in performance.

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 10:43am

Depending on how the new engines go, Vettel would be insane to leave RB, especially while Newey is there anyway. He has a serious potential to break all the records, & overtake Schumacher in terms of titles at RB. That would speak far more to me than driving for Ferrari

vectra · 15-10-2012 10:51am

Daniel S wrote: »

It looks like it will happen, but they will have two number one drivers unless one of them has a massive drop in performance.

Isn't there a pitfall of having two top drivers in a team?
ie.
Taking points from each other and allowing the opposition to win?

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 10:56am

vectra wrote: »

Isn't there a pitfall of having two top drivers in a team?

Yeah big time, remember the famous Red Bull crash in Hungary

Oh how I wept with joy that day :pac:

Daniel S · 15-10-2012 10:59am

vectra wrote: »

Isn't there a pitfall of having two top drivers in a team?
ie.
Taking points from each other and allowing the opposition to win?

Yup, but maybe Alonso will take the place of a number two driver as Seb is much younger.

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 11:09am

Daniel S wrote: »

Yup, but maybe Alonso will take the place of a number two driver as Seb is much younger.

Maybe eventually, but certainly not in 2014.

Brendan Flowers · 15-10-2012 11:17am

Gintonious wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

If this had "Eddie Jordan understands..." at the start then It would have some legs to it.

But I'm not sure they would openly let it be know so early, does anyone think it will happen?

This is actually what surprised me most about Hamilton moving to Mercedes. It's been rumored for a good while now that Vettel would go to Ferrari in 2014. Red Bull therefore will possibly have 2 free seats then. They are currently the best team on the grid and are more than likely going to remain one of the top teams.

Mercedes are currently struggling big time. The new rules may benefit them but thats not certain. There was even doubts about their future in the sport. So would it not have made more sense for Lewis to have tried for one of the following options:

Sign maybe a 2 year extension at McLaren with a get out clause for the end of next season if the team still can't deliver the drivers title. This would free him up to move to Red Bull where Im sure he would have got a deal similar (if not better) then the one he signed with Merc.

Push McLaren for a 1 year extension and sign a pre contract with Red Bull for 2014. Similarly McLaren could have pre signed Perez for 2014. I think this would have benefited both parties as McLaren would have Hamilton for another year and Perez would have another season at Sauber to develop. And again it would mean that Lewis would more likely have a race winning car next year.

the culture of deference · 15-10-2012 11:34am

This will be interesting.

Ferrari and Alonso saying SV going to Ferrari

Red Bull saying he is not going anywhere

Why would he leave a team like red bull? Unless Newey is off to ferrari in 2014.

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 11:52am

the culture of deference wrote: »

Unless Newey is off to ferrari in 2014.

Funnily enough, I can see Newey having an impact on this too. Be it that he's retiring, or moving to another team, I can see it having a big bearing on what Vettel does.

frostie500 · 15-10-2012 11:55am

Vettel will feel the need to get out of Neweys shadow and prove he can win in someone elses car too which will undoubtedly play a role in his next move. I think that Seb, as lets say a three time champion, might feel that his rep is being short changed by winning in Newey cars and he might want to show just how good he is by moving to another team.

IvySlayer · 15-10-2012 12:27pm

Ferrari retaining Massa? Why? :S

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 12:30pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Ferrari retaining Massa? Why? :S

Given his recent form, he's perfect for the role of number 2 to Alonso.

Jordan 199 · 15-10-2012 12:56pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Yeah big time, remember the famous Red Bull crash in Hungary Oh how I wept with joy that day :pac:

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That was brilliant, boy did I laugh and I like Red Bull!

Was it this one you're referring to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx9zIQvrdZU

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 1:06pm

Sorry yeah, Turkey. Thats the one.

15-10-2012 1:27pm

Ferrari retaining Massa? Why? :S

Yeah, its nuts isn't it? He's a terrible number 2. He's not taking points off the other contenders and he's not contributing enough towards the constructors.

He's had a few decent drives recently but you judge a driver over the whole season and this year he has scored less than half of Alonso's points.

Last year it was less than half also.

It's the biggest % points difference between teamates, worse than Grosjean with all his crashes and 1 race ban, worse even than Schumi with all the unreliability.

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 1:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, its nuts isn't it? He's a terrible number 2. He's not taking points off the other contenders and he's not contributing enough towards the constructors.

He's had a few decent drives recently but you judge a driver over the whole season and this year he has scored less than half of Alonso's points.

Last year it was less than half also.

It's the biggest % points difference between teamates, worse than Grosjean with all his crashes and 1 race ban, worse even than Schumi with all the unreliability.

I think over the last few races, he's been on it fairly well. Don't forget he was a point away from being world champion in 2008, & since his accident, has been a shadow of himself. Something has woken him up though, & with a whiff of the podium now, I think he'll get stronger & stronger

the culture of deference · 15-10-2012 2:12pm

EnterNow wrote: »

I think over the last few races, he's been on it fairly well. Don't forget he was a point away from being world champion in 2008, & since his accident, has been a shadow of himself. Something has woken him up though, & with a whiff of the podium now, I think he'll get stronger & stronger

Yeah for 18 cruel seconds he and his family thought he had done it.

I dont know why the ferrari guys didnt let him by Alonso to have a shot at hassling MW. I doubt that SV had any tyre problem and the team were just trying to slow him down. Well done MW for nicking fastest lap on the 2nd last. Must have annoyed Seb.

MW pole and FL
SV win and led all laps

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 3:02pm

the culture of deference wrote: »

SV win and led all laps

Actually another incredible statistic last weekend was that Vettel has led every single lap barring 12 of them, from all three gp's there!! :eek: Crazy stuff

15-10-2012 3:06pm

EnterNow wrote: »

I think over the last few races, he's been on it fairly well. Don't forget he was a point away from being world champion in 2008, & since his accident, has been a shadow of himself. Something has woken him up though, & with a whiff of the podium now, I think he'll get stronger & stronger

Its not good enough wake up at the end of the season or when he's threatened with losing his seat. He needs to be there all year round and he hasn't been for the last couple of years. He had a few podiums in 2010 so you can't blame all his woes on the crash. They're throwing points away with him in the seat.

Myrddin · 15-10-2012 3:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not good enough wake up at the end of the season or when he's threatened with losing his seat.

I guess we'll find out soon enough if Ferrari deem him good enough

Your also forgetting Alonso has a big say in who he's paired with, & with Massa on form, there's nobody better suited to Ferrari than him as a number 2.

Everyone else either lacks experience, or wants to be number 1.

_rebelkid · 15-10-2012 7:11pm

the culture of deference wrote: »

I doubt that SV had any tyre problem and the team were just trying to slow him down.

You're bang on. Horner confirmed it with the BBC on the F1 forum. They knew if they asked him normally he wouldn't slow down, but tell him that he might put himself out of the race, and his radio transmission says it all, "Seb: Saving the tyres, Saving the tyres. Rocky: Good Boy."

Andrew76 · 15-10-2012 7:40pm

the culture of deference wrote: »

...
I dont know why the ferrari guys didnt let him by Alonso to have a shot at hassling MW.
...

I don't see how that would have ended with anything other than Alonso ending up with less than the 15 points he was guaranteed with Massa behind him.

Daniel S · 15-10-2012 7:42pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

I don't see how that would have ended with anything other than Alonso losing more than the 15 points he was guaranteed with Massa behind him.

Could have caused Webber to go on the defensive, allowing Alonso to catch up and potentially take P2.

Andrew76 · 15-10-2012 8:17pm

Daniel S wrote: »

Could have caused Webber to go on the defensive, allowing Alonso to catch up and potentially take P2.

Maybe, or maybe he would've crashed trying to get past for the sake of 3 points when he had a guaranteed 15 with Massa behind him. Bag the 15 and live to fight another day was the safest (only?) option, I guess we'll never know.

Daniel S · 15-10-2012 8:20pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

Maybe, or maybe he would've crashed trying to get past for the sake of 3 points when he had a guaranteed 15 with Massa behind him. Bag the 15 and live to fight another day was the safest (only?) option, I guess we'll never know.

He could have gone ahead and taken out Webber. :pac:

Jordan 199 · 16-10-2012 3:13pm

Massa given one year contract extension.

From Autosport:

Felipe Massa will stay at Ferrari for another season after the Italian squad confirmed a new deal for the Brazilian driver on Tuesday.

Massa's position alongside Fernando Alonso was in doubt for several months after a poor start to the season during which he struggled to even score points.

Before this year's Japanese Grand Prix, the Brazilian had last been on the podium in 2010 in Korea.

Massa, however, turned his form around and began to show the kind of competitiveness Ferrari wanted from him, a resurgence that has secured him a contract extension.

Myrddin · 16-10-2012 3:23pm

Delighted for him, he's been through an awful run of form & great to see him bounce back

frostie500 · 16-10-2012 3:25pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Massa given one year contract extension.

From Autosport:

Yeah just after getting the release now. One year deal shows only a desire to take him to 2014 and the new regs when the Ferrari will be a plump drive and with the Vettel rumours emanating from Ferrari over the weekend....

I'd also say that Massa got the drive because if Ferrari were interested in someone like Hulkenberg (and lets assume they were) he would have baulked at a one year deal with no security.

Massa's been much more competitive since mid-season (from Silverstone he started to find his form) so he could be a very useful driver next season in tersm of collecting Constructors' points

Frank Bullitt · 16-10-2012 4:21pm

Logical decision really, if he keeps his form from the last few races, he could well factor in the title battle.

recyclebin · 17-10-2012 10:39am

The whatwillkimidonext.com website now redirects to makiacloting.com with a weird video advertisement with Kimi in it.

Bit of an anti climax really.

Formula 1 2012: General Discussion Thread

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