The Fall (RTE1/BBC2) [ Spoilers ]

The Pontiac · 14-05-2013 1:15am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

You don't find it creepy that he's a normal family man with two lovely kids at home but leaves them alone at night to go around sniffing women's undies and occasionally killing them? The normal aspects of his life are what make it more creepy. He could be someone you know, he could be your friend, your husband, your dad!

I find him plenty creepy.

Yes, his actions are creepy, but the character is too normal/unbelievable. The scene in the pub where he was out with his mates, and saw a potential 'victim', for instance.

Whereas in The Killing (the original), Vagn was normal, doing normal everyday stuff, but very odd/creepy at the same time.

The final scene also turned me off. What a silly coincidence the cops would call at that very moment.

jill_valentine · 14-05-2013 1:20am

I can't say I'm hooked, and it is slow so far, but it has plenty of potential so I will hang on.

I think I'm spoiled by having been able to fly through boxsets of Danish murder at my own leisure.

FouxDaFaFa · 14-05-2013 1:23am

The Pontiac wrote: »

Yes, his actions are creepy, but the character is unbelievable. The scene in the pub for instance.

Whereas in The Killing (the original), Vagn was normal, doing normal everyday stuff, but very odd/creepy at the same time.

It wouldn't have been hard for him to say to his wife and friends "Hey, let's go to X bar when we go out tonight", knowing the girl was there.

He is ostensibly very normal. He has a nice family, a job that's seen as very skilled and important in society, he's charasmatic. He's not outwardly creepy, only that we know his motives for doing certain things which lends them a creepy edge.

It makes how methodical and brutal he is all the more chilling. I find him a very interesting character, possibly a highly-functioning psychopath. It's unusual to show the killer's identity in episode 1 but it makes for more compelling viewing than "faceless bad guy" attacking women.

I'll give you the police showing up while the murder is happening is a stretch, but it's tv.

jill_valentine · 14-05-2013 1:31am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

It wouldn't have been hard for him to say to his wife and friends "Hey, let's go to X bar when we go out tonight", knowing the girl was there.

He is ostensibly very normal. He has a nice family, a job that's seen as very skilled and important in society, he's charasmatic. He's not outwardly creepy, only that we know his motives for doing certain things which lends them a creepy edge.

It makes how methodical and brutal he is all the more chilling. I find him a very interesting character, possibly a highly-functioning psychopath. It's unusual to show the killer's identity in episode 1 but it makes for more compelling viewing than "faceless bad guy" attacking women.

I'll give you the police showing up while the murder is happening is a stretch, but it's tv.

His job is interesting to me. I was talking to a criminal psychologist chap once, and he told me that psychopaths like to gravitate towards professions like that, because they like being able to manipulate people one way or the other, and that gives them both the skills and opportunities to really exploit vulnerable people in a space they have total control of.

It caught my eye, that in mind.

FouxDaFaFa · 14-05-2013 1:36am

jill_valentine wrote: »

His job is interesting to me. I was talking to a criminal psychologist chap once, and he told me that psychopaths like to gravitate towards professions like that, because they like being able to manipulate people one way or the other, and that gives them both the skills and opportunities to really exploit vulnerable people in a space they have total control of.

It caught my eye, that in mind.

That's a good point. You could see he was trying it a bit when he came out with "How are things in the bedroom?" the moment he did, knowing it would embarrass the couple. I don't think he necessarily asked out of professional concern.

I would imagine a lot of psychopaths enjoy studying criminology and psychology on an intellectual level too. Some, because they know they're not like everybody else and they're curious about what's wrong. Some, like you suggested, because it's a good way to meet vulnerable people.

hardCopy · 14-05-2013 8:12am

Regarding the timing of the police arriving during the murder, the forensic reports from the previous murders mentioned that he took up to an hour to strangle his victims. He hadn't even started strangling her when they arrived so there would have been a window of over an hour that he could have been interrupted.

Blackbush1905 · 14-05-2013 12:37pm

everytime the nordies produce something half decent use southerners are jumping straight onto the bandwagan and claiming it as your own lol..... you have to laugh like, RTE (Rubbish Tele Eire) announcing it as a "homegrown drama" when it was set and filmed in belfast for BBC Northern Ireland...... Can you imagine if RTE produced some dublin set crime drama and BBCNI came along and called a homegrown ... it would sound abit silly wouldn't it and it wouldn't happen anyway lol!!.......

syklops · 14-05-2013 12:43pm

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

everytime the nordies produce something half decent use southerners are jumping straight onto the bandwagan and claiming it as your own lol..... you have to laugh like, RTE (Rubbish Tele Eire) announcing it as a "homegrown drama" when it was set and filmed in belfast for BBC Northern Ireland...... Can you imagine if RTE produced some dublin set crime drama and BBCNI came along and called a homegrown ... it would sound abit silly wouldn't it and it wouldn't happen anyway lol!!.......

Your in the wrong place if you think slagging RTE is going to get anyone riled up. Sure, we know RTE is rubbish. Most of it anyway.

Even RTE had the good sense to stay away from Mrs Browns Boys.

Ash.J.Williams · 14-05-2013 12:46pm

RTE just gave them the "Raw" budget

walshb · 14-05-2013 1:03pm

For a first episode I don't think it went too wrong at all. It was cool, safe and progressive. Let's hope it doesn't got the way of The Following!

FouxDaFaFa · 14-05-2013 2:15pm

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

everytime the nordies produce something half decent use southerners are jumping straight onto the bandwagan and claiming it as your own lol..... you have to laugh like, RTE (Rubbish Tele Eire) announcing it as a "homegrown drama" when it was set and filmed in belfast for BBC Northern Ireland...... Can you imagine if RTE produced some dublin set crime drama and BBCNI came along and called a homegrown ... it would sound abit silly wouldn't it and it wouldn't happen anyway lol!!.......

RTE have already been dutifully made fun of earlier in the thread for trying to latch onto this.

brian_t · 14-05-2013 3:07pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

RTE have already been dutifully made fun of earlier in the thread for trying to latch onto this.

As I pointed out in an earlier post RTE get an "In Association with RTÉ" credit.
So I think they must have a legitimate claim of involvement in it.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 14-05-2013 3:50pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

He is ostensibly very normal. He has a nice family, a job that's seen as very skilled and important in society, he's charasmatic. He's not outwardly creepy, only that we know his motives for doing certain things which lends them a creepy edge.

It makes how methodical and brutal he is all the more chilling. I find him a very interesting character, possibly a highly-functioning psychopath. It's unusual to show the killer's identity in episode 1 but it makes for more compelling viewing than "faceless bad guy" attacking women.

I'll give you the police showing up while the murder is happening is a stretch, but it's tv.

I agree with all of that. How often do you see something gruesome on the news and when they talk to the neighbours they're all shocked? "Oh, he was just a normal guy." "He said hello to me every morning, I can't believe he'd do something like this."

Sure look at those 3 women in Ohio. Held in a basement in a residential area for 10 years and nobody had a clue. The guy that kicked the door in said he used to have BBQ's in the summer with the guy that had done it.

It happens in real life all the time. In my opinion it makes it more believable than having some guy who lives on his own, has no friends, wearing a trench coat, freaking people out on the bus etc. etc.

As for the police showing up, I don't think it was that much of a stretch. They were in the room when Scully told mustache guy off Hollyoaks about the underwear thing. Lady officer put two and two together and thought they'd better check it out. Handy coincidence yes, but not completely unbelievable.

smcgiff · 14-05-2013 6:18pm

Can we please stop calling her Scully.

brian_t · 14-05-2013 6:40pm

smcgiff wrote: »

Can we please stop calling her Scully.

+1

DSI Stella Gibson from now on.

walshb · 14-05-2013 6:53pm

I rather Scully. BTW, as Scully she was seriously hot. Not as hot as Gibson.

Happyman42 · 14-05-2013 8:49pm

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

everytime the nordies produce something half decent use southerners are jumping straight onto the bandwagan and claiming it as your own lol..... you have to laugh like, RTE (Rubbish Tele Eire) announcing it as a "homegrown drama" when it was set and filmed in belfast for BBC Northern Ireland...... Can you imagine if RTE produced some dublin set crime drama and BBCNI came along and called a homegrown ... it would sound abit silly wouldn't it and it wouldn't happen anyway lol!!.......

Trust me, nobody would be claiming the output of BBC NI ordinarily.
RTE had money invested in this, they are marketeers, fairly normal marketing speak to claim it as homegrown.
It's actually a BBC 2 and an Independent studio production and made in NI if you want to get technical.
You can keep your Give My Head Peace's, BBC NI made that all on their ownieo.:rolleyes:

The Black Oil · 14-05-2013 9:59pm

On the issue of the timing of the uniformed officers revisiting the house, OK it might be a bit of a Hollywood style stretch, but I don't think it's beyond the bounds of possibility. Sort of off the point a bit, there was a pretty awful case in the UK last year or earlier this year…OK it was actually the Tia Sharp case and remember in the early searches they found nothing. Only in a later search did they find her body in the loft. Sometimes stuff isn't picked up on the first check.

In terms of his professional role - this seems to be some sort of social worker, bereavement counsellor, etc. There could have been a dual purpose to his question about the couple's sex life. Professionally, I guess it would go to their mood, coping, communication in their relationship, etc, of course, there could be a more questionable component to why he asked.

To paraphrase Sir Morgan of Freeman in Se7en, this guy's methodical, exacting, and worst of all, patient.

Sittingpretty · 14-05-2013 10:23pm

I wondered are the PSNI officers armed?

In the scene where the solicitor calls them when she found her lingerie on the bed, they arrived into the house with guns drawn.

Are the regular police on the street in NI armed?

The Black Oil · 14-05-2013 10:28pm

Any I've seen have always been armed, even at a normal checkpoint or traffic duties during peacetime.

jill_valentine · 14-05-2013 10:36pm

Sittingpretty wrote: »

I wondered are the PSNI officers armed?

In the scene where the solicitor calls them when she found her lingerie on the bed, they arrived into the house with guns drawn.

Are the regular police on the street in NI armed?

Yup. I was in Belfast a while ago, and had to ask directions. The friendly chap directing traffic had a blood great revolver strapped on his hip. It was...weird.

alchemist33 · 14-05-2013 10:38pm

All armed there. It's mildly unnerving when the guy in front in the queue at Tesco is carrying a gun to go with his wrap.

Sittingpretty · 14-05-2013 10:43pm

I'm ashamed to say I didn't know that.

Odd as police in UK aren't armed, but I suppose with NI background it makes sense.

Thanks all

The Pontiac · 14-05-2013 10:45pm

They'd have to be armed in Belfast FFS.

I ceratinly wouldn't do the job without a piece.

mike65 · 14-05-2013 11:34pm

Sittingpretty wrote: »

I'm ashamed to say I didn't know that.

Odd as police in UK aren't armed, but I suppose with NI background it makes sense.

Thanks all

They are routinely armed in the UK, they are NOT armed in Britain!

I caught up with this earlier and not bad, the only thing that bugged me was how sloppy the cops were at the house the first time, not at all professional. If you are told of a possible break in you instruct the inhabitant not to touch things like draw handles.

I liked the portrayal of the killer and the "Dario Argento" overhead camerawork sequence (like Tenebre but on the inside). Oh Gillian Andersons accent was curious, it really doesn't sound rooted in any location. Too neutral.

Basq · 15-05-2013 9:17am

Only got around to watching this last night, and really enjoyed it actually!

Looking forward to more.

hardCopy · 15-05-2013 9:30am

mike65 wrote: »

They are routinely armed in the UK, they are NOT armed in Britain!

I caught up with this earlier and not bad, the only thing that bugged me was how sloppy the cops were at the house the first time, not at all professional. If you are told of a possible break in you instruct the inhabitant not to touch things like draw handles.

I liked the portrayal of the killer and the "Dario Argento" overhead camerawork sequence (like Tenebre but on the inside). Oh Gillian Andersons accent was curious, it really doesn't sound rooted in any location. Too neutral.

According to wiki, she spent half her childhood in GB and half in the states. Apparently she does interviews in the UK with an English accent and in the US with an American accent.

syklops · 15-05-2013 10:46am

Mike65 wrote:

Oh Gillian Andersons accent was curious, it really doesn't sound rooted in any location. Too neutral.

I wonder what you would say about my accent.

mike65 · 15-05-2013 11:07am

Oh I know about Andersons bi-location upbringing and I've heard her "real" adopted English accent (if you see what I mean) and that wasn't it last night.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 15-05-2013 1:41pm

mike65 wrote: »

Oh I know about Andersons bi-location upbringing and I've heard her "real" adopted English accent (if you see what I mean) and that wasn't it last night.

It sounds like an American doing a stereotypical "British" accent. Like when they seem to have no concept of the fact that there's more than one country in Britain, never mind all the different regional variations within them. Which is surprising considering she should know better.

jill_valentine · 15-05-2013 3:07pm

IMHO, her "real" British accent is fine, but yeah, this sounds a bit... theatre-y. Like a slightly milder Ms. Haversham...

The Black Oil · 15-05-2013 9:05pm

Anderson has spent most of her personal and creative life, post X Files, in the UK.

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 15-05-2013 11:00pm

She's doing a IAMA on Reddit 2morro at 1pm.

dubmick · 16-05-2013 12:05am

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D wrote: »

She's doing a IAMA on Reddit 2morro at 1pm.

is the actual link available?

FouxDaFaFa · 16-05-2013 12:44am

dubmick wrote: »

is the actual link available?

Usually not until the AMA starts, Anderson has to create a thread at the alotted time. Otherwise it gets filled with hundreds of questions before she gets there and it's unworkable.

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 16-05-2013 12:44am

dubmick wrote: »

is the actual link available?

No, not till she starts. I'll link direct tomorrow if no one else does.

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 16-05-2013 12:45am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Usually not until the AMA starts, Anderson has to create a thread at the alotted time. Otherwise it gets filled with hundreds of questions before she gets there and it's unworkable.

posted at the exact same time:D

brian_t · 16-05-2013 10:16am

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D wrote: »

She's doing a IAMA on Reddit 2morro at 1pm.

Thats 1pm in Eastern Daylight Time. (she calls it "10 AM PST" on her twitter)

Am I right in saying that this is equivalent to 6pm Irish time.

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 16-05-2013 12:10pm

brian_t wrote: »

Thats 1pm in Eastern Daylight Time. (she calls it "10 AM PST" on her twitter)

Am I right in saying that this is equivalent to 6pm Irish time.

Yup.

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 16-05-2013 6:03pm

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1egkr9/i_am_gillian_anderson_ama/

Mr.Crinklewood · 19-05-2013 9:10pm

Just bumping this for tonights episode. (RTE1 @ 2130)

FouxDaFaFa · 19-05-2013 9:16pm

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Just bumping this for tonights episode. (RTE1 @ 2130)

Oh, thanks for that. Didn't know rte had it on tonight. I just watched an episode of The X Files so it should be an interesting transition.

DerekDGoldfish · 19-05-2013 9:23pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Oh, thanks for that. Didn't know rte had it on tonight. I just watched an episode of The X Files so it should be an interesting transition.

It turned out Eugene Tooms is the real killer, beardy mcbeardface is just a patsy.

Lisha · 19-05-2013 9:50pm

Is there any relevance to seeing shooter guy being interbiewed other than to see the stud in action ?

Tisserand · 19-05-2013 9:53pm

Lisha wrote: »

Is there any relevance to seeing shooter guy being interbiewed other than to see the stud in action ?

Was just wondering that myself and thinking is there any relevance to last week's episode

Lisha · 19-05-2013 9:55pm

Pick up the poor baby

jill_valentine · 19-05-2013 9:59pm

The young PSNI woman is a great actress, but I think she's overselling this a little.

Lisha · 19-05-2013 9:59pm

I never realized how rotten a job answering the emergency calls can be

Lisha · 19-05-2013 10:07pm

A lot of hollyoaks heads !

jill_valentine · 19-05-2013 10:10pm

Lisha wrote: »

I never realized how rotten a job answering the emergency calls can be

Was just thinking that. I know they can't all be that bad, but... every time you sign off on one emergency, you're on to the next one.

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