SJ4000 1080p Waterproof Action Cam (GoPro Alt) - €58.94 Delivered [Aliexpress.com]

Alanstrainor · 29-07-2014 10:31am

The seller has offered to refund $35, and admits that this camera is different. I'm going to try and push further.

Anyway, asides from that, comparing this to a GoPro 3 white, the footage is identical tbh. Really vibrant (not overly so), clear and just great really. I'll throw up a couple of vids this evening to show people.

magnavox · 29-07-2014 11:08am

Anyone any idea when the new A7 chip version might be available? I want to buy one of these but part of me tells me to wait for the new one.

AlanS181824 · 29-07-2014 7:03pm

For those of you getting the "Custer (Cluster) size wrong" error you need to format it in Windows using the 32KB option.

Should work also if you just format using the incamera menus.

clancger · 29-07-2014 11:41pm

I got mine today, well happy.
This blog (in German - use Google Translate) has a mountain of tips + tricks.

h**p://metropolitanmonkey.blogspot.de/

I ungraded FW to the new July version, went from N201405270Zv01 to N20140714V05

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 10:42am

Alanstrainor wrote: »

The seller has offered to refund $35, and admits that this camera is different. I'm going to try and push further.

Anyway, asides from that, comparing this to a GoPro 3 white, the footage is identical tbh. Really vibrant (not overly so), clear and just great really. I'll throw up a couple of vids this evening to show people.

So that seller got back to me and gave me a number of options. One of which was a $50 dollar refund, and keep the device. Considering i paid 83, i reckon that's an okay deal. The only thing that annoys me is the extra batteries I bought wont fit, although they haven't arrived so I'm not 100% certain on this. Sure at this stage I'll wait until a better iteration comes out and probably buy that from banggood or some other reliable seller.

Simon_K · 30-07-2014 12:13pm

Has anyone used a 64gb card with this camera? Does it work? I have a samsung 64gb EVO micro sd card that i'd like to use with it.

Allyall · 30-07-2014 12:28pm

Simon_K wrote: »

Has anyone used a 64gb card with this camera? Does it work? I have a samsung 64gb EVO micro sd card that i'd like to use with it.

Depending on the model, the newest firmware allows for a 64GB card.

Read the end of this thread

clancger · 30-07-2014 1:17pm

Mine worked with video / photos 64GB card out of the box.

I did run into trouble when trying to flash the FW though and it only worked when I switched for an old 2GB card.

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 1:21pm

Here's a sample video edited together using the SJ4000 clone, from AliExpress. The quality is pretty fantastic. Apologies for the sideways/angled footage at the start. It was simply clipped to my cross strap outside of the case. And the footage at the end, is in the water proof case attached to the back of my bike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M9X-L3Qu_U

Get In There · 30-07-2014 1:25pm

Considering getting one myself for cycling. Anyone got any links to genuine ones?

Hoping to pay 60e max. I can find several selling for around that price point but I can't tell if it's a clone or not

Simon_K · 30-07-2014 1:26pm

Same here, I'd like to purchase now, but the amount of available options is mind blowing. I really just want the "genuine" version of it for up to 80 euros with delivery.

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 1:29pm

banggood.com is where all the forums say sell the genuine ones. So I'll consider buying one from there in the future when I'm not as broke. But for now this fake fake will do me I reckon! It's great. Only issue is the spare batteries not fitting.

http://www.banggood.com/SJ4000-Waterproof-HD-1_5-Inch-Car-DVR-Camera-Sport-DV-Novatek-1080P-p-917037.html

Allyall · 30-07-2014 1:33pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Here's a sample video edited together using the SJ4000 clone, from AliExpress. The quality is pretty fantastic. Apologies for the sideways/angled footage at the start. It was simply clipped to my cross strap outside of the case. And the footage at the end, is in the water proof case attached to the back of my bike.

Video

Allyall · 30-07-2014 1:34pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

banggood.com is where all the forums say sell the genuine ones. So I'll consider buying one from there in the future when I'm not as broke. But for now this fake fake will do me I reckon! It's great. Only issue is the spare batteries not fitting.

http://www.banggood.com/SJ4000-Waterproof-HD-1_5-Inch-Car-DVR-Camera-Sport-DV-Novatek-1080P-p-917037.html

Use Code BGDEAL to get discount of $10

Simon_K · 30-07-2014 1:42pm

I'm considering getting it from amazon ,as they are amazing with returns, should anything happen. What do you guys think?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sj4000&sprefix=sj400%2Caps

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 3:02pm

Allyall wrote: »

Use Code BGDEAL to get discount of $10

Why why why am i seriously considering just buying another one...

As an aside, did you get any spare batteries for yours? And do they fit if so?

Allyall · 30-07-2014 3:31pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Why why why am i seriously considering just buying another one...

As an aside, did you get any spare batteries for yours? And do they fit if so?

Yes, I bought my Spare Battery from DX in the end, as I was bundling other stuff together.
Battery fits i did thought it didn't but, it seems that was just the way I had to clip it in.

That's one thing that annoys me a little about aliexpress, you could order 5 items on the same day, they'll all arrive weeks apart. Or pay €300 to get them all delivered by the same courier at the same time.

Gran Hermano · 30-07-2014 3:38pm

Simon_K wrote: »

Same here, I'd like to purchase now, but the amount of available options is mind blowing. I really just want the "genuine" version of it for up to 80 euros with delivery.

Go for Banggood and select the shipping via Dutch post.
Delivery takes around 10 days. They container ship to Netherlands and reship from there.

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 3:44pm

Allyall wrote: »

Yes, I bought my Spare Battery from DX in the end, as I was bundling other stuff together.
Battery fits i did thought it didn't but, it seems that was just the way I had to clip it in.

That's one thing that annoys me a little about aliexpress, you could order 5 items on the same day, they'll all arrive weeks apart. Or pay €300 to get them all delivered by the same courier at the same time.

Well if the batteries fit...then honestly...i have no need to buy an original. The video above speaks for itself. And the quality on youtube is worse than the raw copies i started with. I've also used one of the sticky mounts to stick it to the outside of my car too and it's awesome.

Allyall · 30-07-2014 4:17pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Well if the batteries fit...then honestly...i have no need to buy an original. The video above speaks for itself. And the quality on youtube is worse than the raw copies i started with. I've also used one of the sticky mounts to stick it to the outside of my car too and it's awesome.

I think that most of the clones are labelled as model SD28 on Aliexpress, but, unfortunately not all of them.

They require a different battery.

Like THIS ONE
In the Description it says:

Weight: 101g-150g
Model Number: SD28 (SJ4000) <--- CLONE
Video Resolution 1: fULL hd 1080P (1920*1080 ) 30FPS

and

SJ4000 Full HD 1080P H.264 30M WaterProof 170 Wide Angle sj4000 action camera sj4000
A water-resistant up to 60 meters under water (printed on packaging box 30 meters, tested with 60 meters)

Based on customers' suggestion on the old version, SD28 has come up with some improvements such as:

1. Button on waterproof case now with better hand feeling for pressing (sometimes old version one with shorter pins get stuck when pressing)

2. Battery cap is easier to open

3. Power button is more sensitive.

Customer Experience Come First!

Whereas the seller I purchased from THIS ONE
says:

Type: Portable
Model Number: SJ4000
Language: English / German / French / Spanish

The version I received is the Original SJ4000 Version 1.

Alanstrainor · 30-07-2014 4:22pm

Allyall wrote: »

I think that most of the clones are labelled as model SD28 on Aliexpress, but, unfortunately not all of them.

They require a different battery.

Like THIS ONE
In the Description it says:

and

Whereas the seller I purchased from THIS ONE
says:

The version I received is the Original SJ4000 Version 1.

I bought from the same seller. Who knows what I have though, it may be an SD28, seeing the firmware that it's running, this may be the case. Ah sure I'll see soon enough!

Simon_K · 31-07-2014 12:46pm

I bought 2 cameras from bang good, hopefully they are ok

AlanS181824 · 31-07-2014 12:54pm

I have the SJ1000 and love it, I wonder will 64GB cards work with that.

It's got the same internals as the SJ4000 only it's a lot heavier and different form factor.

PCDub · 31-07-2014 1:03pm

Mine turned up today after revenue extracted 23euro for it.

crazygeryy · 31-07-2014 1:11pm

PCDub wrote: »

Mine turned up today after revenue extracted 23euro for it.

do you mind me asking who you ordered it from?and what was the total price including shipping?

blade1 · 31-07-2014 1:44pm

Still waiting here after ordering on 24th of July!
The seller I bought off was Betty Fu on AliExpress!
Here's the description,does this mean it is a real one?

Alanstrainor · 31-07-2014 1:49pm

The real and the fake one both meet those specs...so very hard to know. You'll only know when you get it.

Mine is a fake. It is called an SD28 I believe. I got my spare battery yesterday and it did not fit. However, with some shoehorning I did manage to get it to fit and work. But it's a bit dodgey seeing that I was amending a battery. But otherwise the camera seems fine, good quality and good footage. My only worry is that the USB port will fall out, or something like that, which would be a disaster.

PCDub · 31-07-2014 1:52pm

crazygeryy wrote: »

do you mind me asking who you ordered it from?and what was the total price including shipping?

$103 with extra car charger and mount. www.foxoffer.com. Looks to be genuine too.

Allyall · 31-07-2014 1:53pm

blade1 wrote: »

Still waiting here after ordering on 24th of July!
The seller I bought off was Betty Fu on AliExpress!
Here's the description,does this mean it is a real one?

24th of July is relatively early days, unless you used a courier like DHL or EMS etc..
If not, expect another 2-3 weeks waiting..

That description says launch 2011, so maybe it's the original version.
Although I didn't think it was out that long ago.

Looking at Betty Fu's store on Aliexpress it seems dead..

Looking for SJ4000 on Aliexpress now, they all say "Original Model".

blade1 · 31-07-2014 1:54pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

The real and the fake one both meet those specs...so very hard to know. You'll only know when you get it.

Mine is a fake. It is called an SD28 I believe. I got my spare battery yesterday and it did not fit. However, with some shoehorning I did manage to get it to fit and work. But it's a bit dodgey seeing that I was amending a battery. But otherwise the camera seems fine, good quality and good footage. My only worry is that the USB port will fall out, or something like that, which would be a disaster.

So no mention of SD28 in the description doesn't mean anything?
It also said 'original sj4000'.

So I could still end up with the SD28?
Can I claim back my money if I do?

Allyall · 31-07-2014 1:56pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

The real and the fake one both meet those specs...so very hard to know. You'll only know when you get it.

Mine is a fake. It is called an SD28 I believe. I got my spare battery yesterday and it did not fit. However, with some shoehorning I did manage to get it to fit and work. But it's a bit dodgey seeing that I was amending a battery. But otherwise the camera seems fine, good quality and good footage. My only worry is that the USB port will fall out, or something like that, which would be a disaster.

You got yours from the same seller as I did? That's odd. I will take pics of mine when I get home.
I was looking at it last night, mine is the Version 1.
My battery went in, but no 'shoe horning'. I was just not paying attention.

I don't think the SD28 are "Fakes" as such, but that seems to be gathering momentum. My guess is that the build quality is just as good.

Alanstrainor · 31-07-2014 2:19pm

Allyall wrote: »

You got yours from the same seller as I did? That's odd. I will take pics of mine when I get home.
I was looking at it last night, mine is the Version 1.
My battery went in, but no 'shoe horning'. I was just not paying attention.

I don't think the SD28 are "Fakes" as such, but that seems to be gathering momentum. My guess is that the build quality is just as good.

Yup. Same seller. The seller said they made a mistake ordering stock :rolleyes:

They are giving me $50 back so I can't complain really. And the battery is slightly smaller in my camera, so I had to take a file to the SJ4000 battery to make it fit. It's still too snug so I'll have to mess around with it I reckon.

wolfyboy555 · 31-07-2014 2:56pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Yup. Same seller. The seller said they made a mistake ordering stock :rolleyes:

They are giving me $50 back so I can't complain really. And the battery is slightly smaller in my camera, so I had to take a file to the SJ4000 battery to make it fit. It's still too snug so I'll have to mess around with it I reckon.

Hey can you PM me the jist of your argument / complaint you put to the seller regarding the camera. Mine will hopefully be arriving this week or next and would open a dispute if the camera isn't what was described (even though as you say it seems to do a good job) . Thanks.

Allyall · 31-07-2014 3:00pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Yup. Same seller. The seller said they made a mistake ordering stock :rolleyes:

They are giving me $50 back so I can't complain really. And the battery is slightly smaller in my camera, so I had to take a file to the SJ4000 battery to make it fit. It's still too snug so I'll have to mess around with it I reckon.

I saw that you are getting $50 back. That seems like a great option.
Yeah, they must have had 2 suppliers or understock, and ordered from another supplier. That's unusal though, even for a small seller.

I wonder if I could ask the same as you.. :rolleyes: (jk).

living · 31-07-2014 3:03pm

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Go for Banggood and select the shipping via Dutch post.
Delivery takes around 10 days. They container ship to Netherlands and reship from there.

Can you avoid customs charges that way?

Alanstrainor · 31-07-2014 4:13pm

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Hey can you PM me the jist of your argument / complaint you put to the seller regarding the camera. Mine will hopefully be arriving this week or next and would open a dispute if the camera isn't what was described (even though as you say it seems to do a good job) . Thanks.

And yeah sure if you'd like. All i did was take two pictures, one of the box and one of the firmware on the camera. Sent them the two images through the dispute process on AliExpress and pointed them to the blog post on foxoffer about the fakes.

blade1 · 31-07-2014 4:51pm

blade1 wrote: »

Still waiting here after ordering on 24th of July!

Allyall wrote: »

24th of July is relatively early days, unless you used a courier like DHL or EMS etc..
If not, expect another 2-3 weeks waiting..

Oops! I meant 24th of June!!

Gran Hermano · 31-07-2014 4:52pm

living wrote: »

Can you avoid customs charges that way?

Have placed several orders this way. Faster than usual China post and no charges on delivery.

pedatron · 31-07-2014 4:53pm

I'm getting a full refund off Aliexpress. In fairness they sorted it all. Didn't even open a dispute. They resolved it.

Still l waiting for my eBay order though. Ordered a week today. What's annoying is it said 3-6 working days as it was located in London but on further inspection I notived my sellers details are in Chinese. He's good feedback but I'm wondering is my camera on the way from China rather than the UK?

Allyall · 31-07-2014 6:22pm

pedatron wrote: »

I'm getting a full refund off Aliexpress. In fairness they sorted it all. Didn't even open a dispute. They resolved it.

Still l waiting for my eBay order though. Ordered a week today. What's annoying is it said 3-6 working days as it was located in London but on further inspection I notived my sellers details are in Chinese. He's good feedback but I'm wondering is my camera on the way from China rather than the UK?

That's often the case. Tons of sellers on Amazon/Ebay saying that they are in the UK, but shipping from Hong Kong/China.

blade1 · 31-07-2014 6:53pm

Allyall wrote: »

Looking at Betty Fu's store on Aliexpress it seems dead..

When I go into Seller information it says Shenzhen Valuelink Technology Co.Ltd.
Then if I go into contact seller Betty Fu comes up.

Dammer · 31-07-2014 6:59pm

Bought one of these from this guy on eBay on the 15th July

Item arrived today with a registered stamp from Sweden. Had to sign for it.

Even though the seller said that item is in Hong Kong???

Firmware is V01, might not upgrade it as from what I've read. You lose 1080p video.

pedatron · 01-08-2014 1:16am

Allyall wrote: »

That's often the case. Tons of sellers on Amazon saying that they are in the UK, but shipping from Hong Kong/China.

Feck. They shouldn't be allowed do that. I shouldn've looked more into it as well to be fair but I've never been dusted by eBay before so I took it for granted! I'll be sickened if it doesn't come on time!

kaerobe · 01-08-2014 10:31am

I received my camera from Tmart today using their US warehouse.
Ordered last week, it was dispatched this Tuesday and arrived in Ireland the following day. Delivered this morning my An Post, no customs tax. Paid a total of 66.31 Euro.

Now, its a great cam, little overwhelming with all the accessories. The camera itself seems legit but the underwater case looks like the ones in forum pointing out fakes (i.e black screws, thicker side buttons). I emailed Tmart to raise my concern but overall, whats the problem? Are there noticeable differences in terms of picture quality? Is it just the case that is a 'fake'? Overall, very happy with my (YELLOW) camera, off to Thailand for a few dives.

Anyone tell me how to upgrade the FW? Is it beneficial?

Alanstrainor · 01-08-2014 10:47am

kaerobe wrote: »

I received my camera from Tmart today using their US warehouse.
Ordered last week, it was dispatched this Tuesday and arrived in Ireland the following day. Delivered this morning my An Post, no customs tax. Paid a total of 66.31 Euro.

Now, its a great cam, little overwhelming with all the accessories. The camera itself seems legit but the underwater case looks like the ones in forum pointing out fakes (i.e black screws, thicker side buttons). I emailed Tmart to raise my concern but overall, whats the problem? Are there noticeable differences in terms of picture quality? Is it just the case that is a 'fake'? Overall, very happy with my (YELLOW) camera, off to Thailand for a few dives.

Anyone tell me how to upgrade the FW? Is it beneficial?

Don't upgrade the firmware. You're just asking for trouble if you're not sure if it really is an SJ4000 anyway. And the image quality of the "fake, fake" is amazing. I can't fault mine. The real tell if it is indeed a fake, is either by going through the firmware and googling the firmware version you have. Or if the box says "water resistabt" then it is a fake.

Mine is a fake, and has the silver screws, so I don't believe that's a good indicator either. But mine seems great, great image quality, battery life is 90+ minutes on a single charge shooting 1080p, and mine cost me $30! If you can, open a dispute with TMart, although I've never ordered from them so not sure if that's possible. But you may get some money back.

kaerobe · 01-08-2014 10:58am

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Don't upgrade the firmware. You're just asking for trouble if you're not sure if it really is an SJ4000 anyway. And the image quality of the "fake, fake" is amazing. I can't fault mine. The real tell if it is indeed a fake, is either by going through the firmware and googling the firmware version you have. Or if the box says "water resistabt" then it is a fake.

Mine is a fake, and has the silver screws, so I don't believe that's a good indicator either. But mine seems great, great image quality, battery life is 90+ minutes on a single charge shooting 1080p, and mine cost me $30! If you can, open a dispute with TMart, although I've never ordered from them so not sure if that's possible. But you may get some money back.

Thanks for that.

Packaging is fine, says water resistaNt. All I want is a few wide angle trekking shots and underwater shots, considering most people use 20 euro underwater disposables just for a holiday cam, I am very happy with this.

Googled the firmware ''20140607v01'' - cant find anything to suggest its a fake.

pedatron · 01-08-2014 11:34am

Dammer wrote: »

Bought one of these from this guy on eBay on the 15th July

Item arrived today with a registered stamp from Sweden. Had to sign for it.

Even though the seller said that item is in Hong Kong???

Firmware is V01, might not upgrade it as from what I've read. You lose 1080p video.

Mine arrived this morning also with Swedish stamps on it. Same guy it appears. Haven't gift a chance to look at it yet. Can't wait for work to be over and I'll play with my toy!

AlanS181824 · 01-08-2014 11:40am

I love the form factor of the SJ4000 genuinely thinking of getting it...

Then again I have no real need... I just want one :pac:

If I was to get one I'd order off TMart because they haven't let me down once in the hundreds of orders I've placed with them! (Touch wood

)

Alanstrainor · 01-08-2014 11:55am

kaerobe wrote: »

Thanks for that.

Packaging is fine, says water resistaNt. All I want is a few wide angle trekking shots and underwater shots, considering most people use 20 euro underwater disposables just for a holiday cam, I am very happy with this.

Googled the firmware ''20140607v01'' - cant find anything to suggest its a fake.

That's a fake alright. Mine has the same firmware.

whomitconcerns · 01-08-2014 2:56pm

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Have placed several orders this way. Faster than usual China post and no charges on delivery.

I ordered from bangood doing as you suggest, yesterday, got shipping confirmation this morning!

Spare battery and new case for my phone also.

SJ4000 1080p Waterproof Action Cam (GoPro Alt) - €58.94 Delivered [Aliexpress.com]

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