season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

TimeToShine · 31-07-2014 7:41pm

The Jorah & Tyrion show will probably take viewers by storm, expecting some creativity in there because the directors seem to be pretty good at double acts.

December2012 · 01-08-2014 11:49pm

Thinking more on this - I came up with

A) Trystane could be merged with Quentyn

if trystane is referred to as "the heir to Dorne", then that still leaves room for Arianne to be cast later (as she was considered by Doran to be future Queen of Westeros, either by marriage or the Dornish master plan).

C) alternatively it should be noted that in the show when Tyrion proposes the marriage pact he refers to trystane being the youngest child of Doran Martell (therefore still with older siblings).

D) the press release is wrong - in fact it refers to Tywin having made the marriage pact, which is incorrect - it was Tyrions work.

2ndcoming · 09-08-2014 6:20am

I expect an awful lot to be left out, as it should be. A lot will prob be changed. As someone who hadn't read the later books and thought '**** how can u leave out stoneheart', now that i've read it i can see why they're saving it. 2 books worth of nothing apart from Jon clearly not dying and if Aegon was all that he would have been way more involved.

AlbionCat · 11-08-2014 10:44pm

Going to need a new Sir Denys Mallister.

This is very sad

"Veteran actor dies after filming first Game of Thrones scene"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28744169

RobbingBandit · 11-08-2014 10:54pm

AlbionCat wrote: »

Going to need a new Sir Denys Mallister.

This is very sad

"Veteran actor dies after filming first Game of Thrones scene"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28744169

very sad. hope they fill the role soon as he is an important character in the election of the new Lord Commander.

rawn · 11-08-2014 11:03pm

AlbionCat wrote: »

Going to need a new Sir Denys Mallister.

This is very sad

"Veteran actor dies after filming first Game of Thrones scene"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28744169

Dammit George, is no one safe?

The Master · 12-08-2014 7:06pm

If we're only getting 7 seasons (maybe 8)
I think huge chunks of story and characters are going to be axed wholesale

I think the last 3 seasons will just be a summary of the books released and unreleased
GRRM has told the producers his plans for the books

So I think we're gonna get their version of that story.

I know I'm not saying anything others have not said before but I think it's the only possibility at his stage

pinkypinky · 14-08-2014 2:22pm

With the news that GRRM isn't writing an episode this season, I'm hopeful that we're going to see a new book next year in or around the time season 5 airs. After that though, we can expect the books and show to diverge irrevocably. He'd never finish the 7th before the writing of season 6.

eyeball kid · 18-08-2014 9:39am

Just reading this in the Irish times today..

A bit spoilerish..

At Ballintoy, Dothraki tents can be seen in a field in the distance where scenes from season five are being filmed.

Article can be found here...
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/a-quest-with-game-of-thrones-fans-through-a-fantastical-land-co-antrim-1.1896057?page=1

Mr Freeze · 18-08-2014 9:52am

The thing that stood out most in the article for me was this:

McComb cultivates an air of informed confidentiality. He refers to Game of Thrones show-runners David Benioff and DB Weiss as “David and Dan” and teases us with on-set trivia and future plot developments. “You only think there are seven kingdoms? Oh. Let’s just say the map is not complete.” “You think [that character] is dead? Interesting.” The seventh book is already written, he says. He has this on good authority.

Either he hasn't a clue about the books or meant 6th not 7th.

I doubt GRRM is a book ahead of schedule.

eyeball kid · 18-08-2014 9:56am

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The thing that stood out most in the article for me was this:

Either he hasn't a clue about the books or meant 6th not 7th.

I doubt GRRM is a book ahead of schedule.

I'd image its just a bit of bluster on his part. Let the tourists think he's in the know.

Grudaire · 19-08-2014 10:39am

Any chance GRRM went ahead and wrote the Final book before finishing the middle book?

I have a feeling he would do absolutely anything to avoid writing the next book, so I wouldn't be that shocked :pac:

FunLover18 · 27-08-2014 2:29am

Supposedly a church in Croatia is trying to stop them filming Cersei's walk of shame. If they suceed I guess the makers will just have to film it somewhere else, because you can't NOT have that scene

I'm thinking episode 9 or 10. Will Kevan be this season do we think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/game-of-thrones-nude-scene_n_5711243.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

LostBoy101 · 28-08-2014 11:36am

This is what happens when you get the Church involved. I reckon they will fight it out and when money goes on the table the Church will bend their knees.

Mr.Prodston · 28-08-2014 11:49am

LostBoy101 wrote: »

This is what happens when you get the Church involved. I reckon they will fight it out and when money goes on the table the Church will bend their knees.

Not quite.

They've found somewhere else to film it and it will be next month.

Also as you can probably guess from the link below:

Mark Gatiss is back as Tycho Nestoris in season 5

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/08/27/mark-gatiss-season-5-thrones/

The Master · 29-08-2014 10:20am

Another update

most interesting part of the article..

Its last two seasons do not have a release date and will only be filmed once Martin has written his final novels, The Winds Of Winter and A Dream Of Spring.

GerB40 · 29-08-2014 11:13am

The Master wrote: »

Another update

most interesting part of the article..

Say whaaatt? I wonder how the Canberra times got this nugget of information when the overly obsessive GoT/ASoIaF community (myself included) haven't heard a word.

It seems like such a throwaway comment in the article that I'd question the truth in it. The actors will have aged too much that it can't be true.
Can it??

Washington Irving · 29-08-2014 5:22pm

Probably a poorly informed writer unfamiliar with the show/books, but if it were true I would be so happy.

Mickeroo · 29-08-2014 5:28pm

I don't know how I feel about a 60 year old Kit Harrington portraying Jon Snow or them having to recast all the older actors who'll be dead or senile by then.

GerB40 · 01-09-2014 12:36pm

Interesting stuff regarding Aryas storyline in Braavos. http://watchersonthewall.com/new-pics-maisie-williams-mark-gatiss-game-thrones-filming/ There are some pretty major deviations from the book so if you really are waiting for TWOW I wouldn't go into the link.

Mr.Prodston · 01-09-2014 1:00pm

GerB40 wrote: »

Interesting stuff regarding Aryas storyline in Braavos. http://watchersonthewall.com/new-pics-maisie-williams-mark-gatiss-game-thrones-filming/ There are some pretty major deviations from the book so if you really are waiting for TWOW I wouldn't go into the link.

No wonder that chapter was released so. Jeez it seems like they really are accelerating rather than slowing down.

Slightly OT but as a United fan and a J-Law fan I can only hope that the Holy Trinity will be completed with The Winds of Winter getting a release date today too :pac:

GerB40 · 01-09-2014 1:10pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

No wonder that chapter was released so. Jeez it seems like they really are accelerating rather than slowing down.

Slightly OT but as a United fan and a J-Law fan I can only hope that the Holy Trinity will be completed with The Winds of Winter getting a release date today too :pac:

Your optimism is admirable..

RobbingBandit · 04-09-2014 12:37am

No Bran or Hodor in season 5. http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57697865/

DM addict · 04-09-2014 6:00am

RobbingBandit wrote: »

No Bran or Hodor in season 5. http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57697865/

Kinda makes sense though. They don't have a season of plot left.

bnt · 09-09-2014 9:03am

DM addict wrote: »

Kinda makes sense though. They don't have a season of plot left.

So far he stories have only hinted at what Bran might do through greenseeing, and he's already had a major influence on Theon's story.

He's basically gaining the ability to see anything, past present and perhaps even the future, and influence events too.

As for Arriane - since Myrcella has been cast, I presume we'll be following what happens to her (

her disfiguring injuries

), and so we'll want to know how that happened, which means not only Arianne but also Ser Arys Oakheart. Unless that storyline gets cut, too?

re Quentyn - surely they'd keep him in the show, if only to show what becomes of him? :eek:

After reading the books, I think I'm done with the TV series. I'm not happy with how they've handled the Theon/Reek storyline, for example. In the books GRRM has left him a sort of path back to normality. In the show they've degraded him too much too soon, almost "torture porn" to see. :mad:

In the books he loses a few fingers, no more - he's not castrated.

Mr Freeze · 09-09-2014 9:12am

bnt wrote: »

In the show they've degraded him too much too soon, almost "torture porn" to see. :mad:
In the books he loses a few fingers, no more - he's not castrated.

I think its hinted in the books that he is.

The show left no doubt. (GRRM wrote that episode too).

I don't think we need spoilers, as its a book readers thread.

Post from http://asoiaf.westeros.org/

It's not explicit in the text, but there are several references to Theon not being a man anymore (could also just be simple dehumanizing), Theon's fear of being seen naked (could also be self consciousness due to his bad shape in general), Theon protesting "but I have no ..." when asked to prepare fake Arya, Ramsay tells him to use his mouth instead (could also be intended to continue "... no right") and Theon listing what Ramsay took: x fingers, y toes, and that other thing (could also be an earlobe or whatever, but it does hint at something more important). None of them are conclusive on their own, but together they do paint a coherent picture that something happened down there.

Kunkka · 09-09-2014 1:59pm

Can you imagine a Back to the Future type ending due to Bran being able to alter events... something along the lines of going back and telling Ned not to go to Kings Landing or something...

Sleepy · 09-09-2014 2:10pm

I can imagine the fan reaction: outrage.

I can't see it happening tbh. Not after GRRM's comments about "not doing a LOST on it"...

Kunkka · 09-09-2014 2:16pm

Sleepy wrote: »

I can imagine the fan reaction: outrage.

I can't see it happening tbh. Not after GRRM's comments about "not doing a LOST on it"...

It's very unlikely but you just never know! I had never thought of it before bnt's post above to be honest.

Put it this way. If Bran can alter events why wouldn't he save his family and in turn himself?

ArmaniJeanss · 09-09-2014 2:39pm

bnt wrote: »

As for Arriane - since Myrcella has been cast, I presume we'll be following what happens to her (
her disfiguring injuries
), and so we'll want to know how that happened, which means not only Arianne but also Ser Arys Oakheart. Unless that storyline gets cut, too?

I actually think the roles of Arianne and Myrcella will be merged. i.e., seductress Myrcella will drive the tragic Queenmaker plot herself.
Its the most logical reason I can see for recasting an older hotter Myrcella.

bnt · 10-09-2014 8:48am

Kunkka wrote: »

Put it this way. If Bran can alter events why wouldn't he save his family and in turn himself?

I don't know whether I'd go that far: he saw the past, but the implication is that he was whispering to Theon in real time, acting as a conscience of sorts. Which led to Theon breaking out of Winterfell with Jeyne Poole (the fake Arya) and finding his way to Stannis' army and Asha. (Which may have been a case of "out of the frying pan, in to the freezer" - TBD.)

I know this thread is about Season 5, but considering all the storylines that need to be handled, we're probably talking about Season 6 too.

Mr Freeze · 10-09-2014 8:59am

bnt wrote: »

I know this thread is about Season 5, but considering all the storylines that need to be handled, we're probably talking about Season 6 too.

I'd say Theon & the escape from Winterfell could be season 5. What else are they going to do with him...a whole season of the murders of Boltons men, very possible I suppose, they have spent 2 seasons torturing Theon now.

Lenin Skynard · 10-09-2014 8:51pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I'd say Theon & the escape from Winterfell could be season 5. What else are they going to do with him...a whole season of the murders of Boltons men, very possible I suppose, they have spent 2 seasons torturing Theon now.

Could be at the end but they'd really need assurances from George Martin beforehand I imagine. They won't be able to stretch more than one season about the Boltons and Theon holed up in Winterfell. They're already there.

I've read reports that they've been filming

Dany in a Dothraki camp

so it stands to reason that they'll have caught up with the Winterfell plot too by the end of season five. I kinda hope not though, the more seasons they can stretch out, the better.

Ger Whelan · 15-09-2014 10:18am

No Hodor.

FunLover18 · 26-09-2014 6:51am

So supposedly Tywin will be back, presumably in some sort of flashback or perhaps haunting Tyrion. The idea of Charles Dance running a scathing commentary throughout Tyrion's adventures in Essos does tickle me slightly

December2012 · 26-09-2014 7:44am

I'd imagine he'll be needed for filming his lying in state scenes.

Kunkka · 26-09-2014 11:41am

FunLover18 wrote: »

So supposedly Tywin will be back, presumably in some sort of flashback or perhaps haunting Tyrion. The idea of Charles Dance running a scathing commentary throughout Tyrion's adventures in Essos does tickle me slightly

Yeah they could take advantage of when Tyrion is pissed drunk on the boat he could have Delirium Tremens with Tywin there. That'd be pretty cool

duploelabs · 26-09-2014 1:22pm

December2012 wrote: »

I'd imagine he'll be needed for filming his lying in state scenes.

Did they actually have an actor play Jon Arran?

podgemonster · 26-09-2014 1:52pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Did they actually have an actor play Jon Arran?

Yup. Ep. 1 where Jaime and Cersei are standing nearby cringingly explaining to the audience they have something to hide and are brother and sister.

December2012 · 26-09-2014 2:57pm

Yep and Jack Gleesons last day of filming was in the Sept during THAT scene!

Liam McPoyle · 17-10-2014 6:38pm

Game of Thrones' upcoming fifth season will feature the HBO show's first ever flashback sequence.

The show has avoided using flashback sequences in its four previous seasons, but the first scene of the next season's opening episode will offer a glimpse of the past.

Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss confirmed the plans during a recent Q&A with film students in Spain.

According to a translation, the pair said: "By making the first season, we set a rule - no prophecies, dreams or flashbacks. We failed the first two and this season the third. So yes, this season will finally have flashbacks."

The cast and crew of HBO's fantasy drama are filming scenes for the fifth season in Seville and Osuna, as well locations in Northern Ireland and Croatia.

It has also been announced that Thor: The Dark World actor Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje will star in the upcoming season as an original character called Malko.

Game of Thrones will return to HBO and Sky Atlantic in 2015.

Source.

Presumably the flash back(s) will feature our dear departed Lord Tywin.

Im also guessing that Adewale will be involved in Dany's arc.

I think he is a fantastic actor though whenever I see him I cant help put picture him as Adebisi up to some shenanigans in Oz.

"Gimme some tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiits!!!!"

:pac:

rawn · 17-10-2014 8:42pm

Business Cat wrote: »

Im also guessing that Adewale will be involved in Dany's arc.

I think he is a fantastic actor though whenever I see him I cant help put picture him as Adebisi up to some shenanigans in Oz.

Mr. Eko!

GerB40 · 17-10-2014 10:49pm

Regarding the flashbacks. Maybe (hopefully) we'll get some tower of joy action seen from Bran's perspective. Considering how important Jon's story will be this season maybe they can hint at R+L=J (which, let's face it, is fact).

Actually adding flashbacks means D&D can add pretty much any story from the books without a) confusing viewers or b) pissing off readers.

The possibilities are pretty far reaching. (Still hoping for LS and her campaign of vengeance in the Riverlands)...

Paddy Cow · 20-10-2014 10:01am

Any chance we can get the original Daario Naharis back?

Barna77 · 20-10-2014 12:47pm

I saw a video of the filming in Spain.... I can't remember Jaime in Dorne...?

podgemonster · 20-10-2014 12:59pm

Jaime would appear to be taking the place of Ser Balon Swann as the party that head to Dorne with "Ser Gregors" skull. Probably to keep viewers interested and invested in this new but important Kingdom in the show.

This does however mean that this may change the events in the Riverlands in which Jaime lifts the siege on Riverrun and defusing any other conflicts remaining after the War of the Five kings. These chapters were my favourite in Feast but I am hoping that Jaime will do a littlefinger on it and appear in the opposite end of the Kingdom after a 2 episode gap or somthing.

Sleepy · 20-10-2014 1:58pm

I'll be very disappointed if Jaime doesn't lift the siege on Riverrun. It was a pivotal point in his redemption arc imo.

Turtyturd · 20-10-2014 8:21pm

Will put these in spoilers just in case but on the timeline of Jamie in Dorne

Over on Reddit they have figured out that he is still there in the later episodes so anything about the Riverlands would be unlikely this season if they are right.

Also on Arya's preview chapter from TWOW

they seem convinced that the 'Mercy' scene was filmed. I assume this would fill in for her killing the member of the NW and having an identity?

GerB40 · 20-10-2014 8:48pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

Will put these in spoilers just in case but on the timeline of Jamie in Dorne
Over on Reddit they have figured out that he is still there in the later episodes so anything about the Riverlands would be unlikely this season if they are right.

Also on Arya's preview chapter from TWOW
they seem convinced that the 'Mercy' scene was filmed. I assume this would fill in for her killing the member of the NW and having an identity?

On that second point I can say with some certainty it's true, the pictures were all over winter is coming and watchers on the wall. And people were worried next season would be a slow one...

FunLover18 · 22-10-2014 11:59am

MAJOR DEVIATIONS FROM THE BOOK AHOY!!! BEWARE SPOILERS!!

So much for dragging out Tyrion's journey through Essos

season 5 what do expect? (for book readers)

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