One-Parent Family Payment

Owryan · 13-12-2011 8:32pm

studdlymurphy wrote: »

I know 2 people who claim this payment and the fathers are not around. Yet I know 14 people who claim it and have the partner living with them.
Does this ratio meet other peoples observations?
Im not saying it should be done away with as some people do need it, but I think it should be policed a bit better.

If you know it for a fact then report them.

EGAR · 13-12-2011 8:34pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

lol.....so its ok for others to sit on their holes all day,claim 30k in benifits and dont contribute a single thing to the state, possibly frauding the state also, while the rest of us go out to work to pay for it?

right.

30k? Where did you get that amount from?

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 9:52pm

starlight baby wrote: »

gcgirl before you advise people to rush off reporting others you may want to check your facts: you CAN get OPFA (or part payment of) and FIS. All above board and legal providing you meet the criteria.

Thought FIS was a top up for a low paid full time worker
If you work current threshold is currently €140 ish before they start to deduct that directly off your payment which you can earn up to roughly €420 I think and still get part payment, and by the way I am a genuine single parent and I'd advise anyone who knows someone who is defrauding because these people are giving me and other genuine claimants a bad name, I have the OPFA to live on each week that is it I have zero income from anywhere else and sick of the stigma attach to us genuine single mothers

Seriously look at the above statements in this thread that some people wrote and see how much venom there is, I have to deal with this attitude from people

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 10:04pm

EGAR wrote: »

homerjay2005 wrote: »

lol.....so its ok for others to sit on their holes all day,claim 30k in benifits and dont contribute a single thing to the state, possibly frauding the state also, while the rest of us go out to work to pay for it?

right.

30k? Where did you get that amount from?

30 k is excessive

Ms. Pingui · 13-12-2011 10:11pm

gcgirl wrote: »

FIS is a top up for a low paid worker
If you work current threshold is currently €140 ish before they start to deduct that directly off your payment which you can earn up to roughly €420 I think and still get part payment, and by the way I am a genuine single parent and I'd advise anyone who knows someone who is defrauding because these people are giving me and other genuine claimants a bad name, I have the OPFA to live on each week that is it I have zero income from anywhere else and sick of the stigma attach to us genuine single mothers

Seriously look at the above statements in this thread that some people wrote and see how much venom there is, I have to deal with this attitude from people

Completely agree with you!!! I'm also a genuine single parent getting the OPFA. Its a hard enouh situation to be in without people looking down their noses at you and giving you grief about it all the time! Not every single parent is committing fraud!

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 10:22pm

I can understand people being pissed off over welfare fraud but why are all of these threads about single parents. Why not attack single people who work and sign on the dole or people who claim disability but are more than capable of working. You would think single parents are the only people who claim social welfare.
I read constantly on here about single parents getting free houses and their rent paid blah blah, as if they are the only people who get it. All people on social welfare get rent allowance and all of the other benefits, not just single parents.

Cavehill Red · 13-12-2011 10:27pm

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Completely agree with you!!! I'm also a genuine single parent getting the OPFA. Its a hard enouh situation to be in without people looking down their noses at you and giving you grief about it all the time! Not every single parent is committing fraud!

In fact only recently the Dept of Social Welfare concluded a huge investigation into thousands of OPFP claimants and found very few cases of fraud. It appears to be very common nowadays for people to go looking for scapegoats for current economic hardship they are experiencing in terms of tax hikes, wage cuts and so on, and single parents seem to be especially targetted, to my mind very unfairly.
Listen up, people. The bankers and Fianna Fail screwed you, not single parents, who are paying disproportionately with the cuts to child benefit and welfare in the latest and recent budgets.
If you have ACTUAL EVIDENCE of fraud, present it to the Dept of Social Welfare and they will act on it swiftly. If you just want to bitch about your taxpayer's money being squandered, I suggest you direct your attention to the banking bailout instead, If you just hate single parents and want to rant a load of spoof, prejudice and lies about them, I suggest you go and throw balls of your own excrement at yourself.
That's all.

MugMugs · 13-12-2011 10:30pm

I've reported three people. About a year ago and again six months ago. No action taken. Sure who cares? It's only mine and your cash being handed out.

Cavehill Red · 13-12-2011 10:32pm

MugMugs wrote: »

I've reported three people. About a year ago and again six months ago. No action taken. Sure who cares? It's only mine and your cash being handed out.

Unless you're in the Dept of Social Welfare, you have no idea what investigation insued or what action was taken as a result. So, as a proven spoofer, I suggest you get those balls of poo out and aim them at yourself for demonstrably talking nonsense about single parents in order to propagate a prejudicial and incorrect spoof.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 10:33pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I can understand people being pissed off over welfare fraud but why are all of these threads about single parents. Why not attack single people who work and sign on the dole or people who claim disability but are more than capable of working. You would think single parents are the only people who claim social welfare.
I read constantly on here about single parents getting free houses and their rent paid blah blah, as if they are the only people who get it. All people on social welfare get rent allowance and all of the other benefits, not just single parents.

Typical rubbish attitude which has a massive part to play in why we're in the sh*t we're in

Two wrongs don't make a right! Nobody has denied that others aren't doing it. But just because others ARE doing it, doesn't make it right for everyone else to!

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 10:43pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Typical rubbish attitude which has a massive part to play in why we're in the sh*t we're in

Two wrongs don't make a right! Nobody has denied that others aren't doing it. But just because others ARE doing it, doesn't make it right for everyone else to!

I didnt say it was ok for people to defraud the OPFP I asked why single parents are constantly being attacked on this forum and why they are all treated as if they are defrauding. Why are there no threads about single people screwing social welfare? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with single parents. I cant help but think its a lot of bitter men who cant deal with the fact that women have other options now rather than staying in relationships/marriages that they are not happy in.

phasers · 13-12-2011 10:50pm

How do you guys know what benefits all your friends are on?

It's certainly not something I'd ever ask someone

Btw this isn't a dig or defending fraudsters, but I don't get how you all know all these intimate details about people.

greenoverred · 13-12-2011 10:51pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

In fact only recently the Dept of Social Welfare concluded a huge investigation into thousands of OPFP claimants and found very few cases of fraud. It appears to be very common nowadays for people to go looking for scapegoats for current economic hardship they are experiencing in terms of tax hikes, wage cuts and so on, and single parents seem to be especially targetted, to my mind very unfairly.
Listen up, people. The bankers and Fianna Fail screwed you, not single parents, who are paying disproportionately with the cuts to child benefit and welfare in the latest and recent budgets.
If you have ACTUAL EVIDENCE of fraud, present it to the Dept of Social Welfare and they will act on it swiftly. If you just want to bitch about your taxpayer's money being squandered, I suggest you direct your attention to the banking bailout instead, If you just hate single parents and want to rant a load of spoof, prejudice and lies about them, I suggest you go and throw balls of your own excrement at yourself.
That's all.

Really, I taught they saved 100million in the first 7 months of the year from this kind of fraud. Higher then any other type

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 10:55pm

greenoverred wrote: »

Really, I taught they saved 100million in the first 7 months of the year from this kind of fraud. Higher then any other type

Where did you hear that?

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 10:55pm

The ratting out is strong in this thread. I wonder would ye go to the people you intend to rat on and tell them your intentions?? would ye fook. Snakes.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 10:58pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I didnt say it was ok for people to defraud the OPFP I asked why single parents are constantly being attacked on this forum and why they are all treated as if they are defrauding. Why are there no threads about single people screwing social welfare?

There are. There's threads about people on the welfare every 2 minutes on After Hours. you must be new here!! If you've failed to miss welfare threads on AH then there's no hope for you!

A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with single parents. I cant help but think its a lot of bitter men who cant deal with the fact that women have other options now rather than staying in relationships/marriages that they are not happy in.

Women? Who said anything about women?

You know a single parent can be a man too right? How insensitive of you!

Teyla Emmagan · 13-12-2011 10:59pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I didnt say it was ok for people to defraud the OPFP I asked why single parents are constantly being attacked on this forum and why they are all treated as if they are defrauding. Why are there no threads about single people screwing social welfare? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with single parents. I cant help but think its a lot of bitter men who cant deal with the fact that women have other options now rather than staying in relationships/marriages that they are not happy in.

I don't think single parents are attacked more than anyone else (accused of defrauding the social welfare system) TBH. Maybe you're just particularly sensitive to the issue for some reason?

Anyway, my tuppence is that we should end the system whereby you don't have to declare the father's name on the child's birthcert. I do think that if you don't you should have a reduced level of one parent allowance. It's unfair to the state, and to the child. It means you can't pursue the father for child support and that the state has to take up the slack. And that the kid potentially doesn't know who their father is (which is horrifically unfair to them).

And I do understand that not everyone (tiny percentage) won't want to put the father's name down (because they don't know who he is, or if it's incest or rape something awful), but the majority of 'unknown' fathers out there are present, and should participate. Especially the ones who are still in a relationship with the mother!!!!

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:03pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

The ratting out is strong in this thread. I wonder would ye go to the people you intend to rat on and tell them your intentions?? would ye fook. Snakes.

Of course you wouldn't. That would be borderline retarded now wouldn't it?

"Alright lads? Here, remember the 6 of yas went on that speight of burgleries and thought you were getting away with it but got arrested the other day and face being buggered by massive tattood men for the next 10 years in prison? Well it was me who ratted yas out! I even gave them your addresses and details of other past crimes you've been involved in!

Anyway, enough about that, what are yas drinking? Mine's a Bulmers!"

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 11:05pm

Honestly I think there are very very few people who would put "father unknown" on their childs birthcert just so that they can claim OPFP. Who would do that to their child.

Mr stuffins- I'm not new to this forum and I know men can be single parents as well but we both know in this country the vast majority of single parents are women. So no shame on me really.

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 11:05pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Of course you wouldn't. That would be borderline retarded now wouldn't it?

"Alright lads? Here, remember the 6 of yas went on that speight of burgleries and thought you were getting away with it but got arrested the other day and face being buggered by massive tattood men for the next 10 years in prison? Well it was me who ratted yas out! I even gave them your addresses and details of other past crimes you've been involved in!

Anyway, enough about that, what are yas drinking? Mine's a Bulmers!"

Oh is this thread about burglaries? my bad

Cavehill Red · 13-12-2011 11:05pm

greenoverred wrote: »

Really, I taught they saved 100million in the first 7 months of the year from this kind of fraud. Higher then any other type

Nope. You're conflating two utterly different investigations. In 2008, a full scale investigation into all social welfare fraud brought in over 100 million from OPFP fraud. It brought in nearly half a billion overall. Proportionately, the most fraudulent cases related to old age pensions. Yet you don't see the elderly repeatedly smeared as fraudsters on boards. The recent investigation was by Revenue, examining the payment of the one personal family tax credit. It found 6,400 cases which were problematic, and of those only 1,339 had their credit removed. (The bulk of these cases related to single men claiming for the credit without contributing to the upkeep of their children, incidentally. Revenue don't investigate entitlements to welfare payments, which is a separate investigation conducted by Welfare.)

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:07pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

Oh is this thread about burglaries? my bad

Don't worry about it.

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 11:09pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Don't worry about it.

Good point

greenoverred · 13-12-2011 11:09pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2011/Pages/pr290811.aspx

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:10pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I didnt say it was ok for people to defraud the OPFP I asked why single parents are constantly being attacked on this forum and why they are all treated as if they are defrauding. Why are there no threads about single people screwing social welfare? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with single parents. I cant help but think its a lot of bitter men who cant deal with the fact that women have other options now rather than staying in relationships/marriages that they are not happy in.

I don't think single parents are attacked more than anyone else (accused of defrauding the social welfare system) TBH. Maybe you're just particularly sensitive to the issue for some reason?

Anyway, my tuppence is that we should end the system whereby you don't have to declare the father's name on the child's birthcert. I do think that if you don't you should have a reduced level of one parent allowance. It's unfair to the state, and to the child. It means you can't pursue the father for child support and that the state has to take up the slack. And that the kid potentially doesn't know who their father is (which is horrifically unfair to them).

And I do understand that not everyone (tiny percentage) won't want to put the father's name down (because they don't know who he is, or if it's incest or rape something awful), but the majority of 'unknown' fathers out there are present, and should participate. Especially the ones who are still in a relationship with the mother!!!!

This thread has been done to death. Sad, sad, sad. I expect all this grassing up of single parents will end the recession, well done people.
Im sute the government will thank you with lower taxes. After all its your money and Im sure they want to give it back to you.
I always suspect its people that earn crappy wages that do the grassing, perhaps Im wrong?

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 11:13pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I didnt say it was ok for people to defraud the OPFP I asked why single parents are constantly being attacked on this forum and why they are all treated as if they are defrauding. Why are there no threads about single people screwing social welfare? A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with single parents. I cant help but think its a lot of bitter men who cant deal with the fact that women have other options now rather than staying in relationships/marriages that they are not happy in.

I don't think single parents are attacked more than anyone else (accused of defrauding the social welfare system) TBH. Maybe you're just particularly sensitive to the issue for some reason?

Anyway, my tuppence is that we should end the system whereby you don't have to declare the father's name on the child's birthcert. I do think that if you don't you should have a reduced level of one parent allowance. It's unfair to the state, and to the child. It means you can't pursue the father for child support and that the state has to take up the slack. And that the kid potentially doesn't know who their father is (which is horrifically unfair to them).

And I do understand that not everyone (tiny percentage) won't want to put the father's name down (because they don't know who he is, or if it's incest or rape something awful), but the majority of 'unknown' fathers out there are present, and should participate. Especially the ones who are still in a relationship with the mother!!!!

Thats an assumption that the fathers name is not on the birth cert,most parents I know have the children's father on the birthcert, the father is on my own kids bc, and in fairness the father has to be present to sign the register if your not married, if your married it's automatically done in the hospital, my only regrete was giving them his surname as a legacy, his family have minimal input and he takes them every 2nd Saturday for a couple of hours, my family have more of an input do in fairness they should have my surname

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:14pm

Offy wrote: »

This thread has been done to death. Sad, sad, sad. I expect all this grassing up of single parents will end the recession, well done people.
Im sute the government will thank you with lower taxes.

This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

I always suspect its people that earn crappy wages that do the grassing, perhaps Im wrong?

I don't see how this matters really.

Cavehill Red · 13-12-2011 11:14pm

greenoverred wrote: »

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2011/Pages/pr290811.aspx

And again, as in 2008, it is pensions which are proportionately by a mile the most fraudulent. When do any of you intend to start grassing up all those fraudulent seniors?

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 11:16pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

Now i know why you dont teach economics

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:17pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Offy wrote: »

This thread has been done to death. Sad, sad, sad. I expect all this grassing up of single parents will end the recession, well done people.
Im sute the government will thank you with lower taxes.

This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

I always suspect its people that earn crappy wages that do the grassing, perhaps Im wrong?

I don't see how this matters really.

Try reading between the lines!

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:17pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

Honestly I think there are very very few people who would put "father unknown" on their childs birthcert just so that they can claim OPFP. Who would do that to their child.

A LOT of people would do this. It has reletively minimal effects on the future of the child when compared to the benefits for the parent who looks to do such a thing in order to manipulate the state. If you don't believe people do this, then I can assure you you're wrong.

[uqote] Mr stuffins- I'm not new to this forum and I know men can be single parents as well but we both know in this country the vast majority of single parents are women. So no shame on me really.[/QUOTE]

If you are not new then I have no idea how you have been able to miss the almost daily threads of social welfare.

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:18pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

Now i know why you dont teach economics

Post of the year.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:20pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

Now i know why you dont teach economics

You deny this is the case? You deny that eradicating social welfare fraud would lead to cuts in social welfare spending?

Offy wrote: »

Try reading between the lines!

I'd rather not have to.

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:21pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

fedor.2. wrote: »

Now i know why you dont teach economics

You deny this is the case? You deny that eradicating social welfare fraud would lead to cuts in social welfare spending?

Offy wrote: »

Try reading between the lines!

I'd rather not have to.

Why?

Tayla · 13-12-2011 11:22pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

she got her rent allowance, fis, loan parent, childrens allowance, dole, you name it, she got it.

How could she possibly get loan parents, fis AND the dole?

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we asked them did they plan on getting married and they said no and laughed. "why should we, we will lose everything".

Also, you said yourself that she'd probably still get the same if they were married so I don't see why they would think they would lose everything,

They'd still get childrens allowance, they'd still get rent allowance, they'd probably claim nearly as much in the dole if they went to social welfare as a couple so they wouldn't really lose anything at all.

I'm not saying that they didn't say it but i've heard this story loads of times... and then they said "no we'd lose everything", if these people manage to claim each and every thing that the state lets them claim and seem to be so aware of how to screw the system over then I'm sure that they know they would be just as well off going legit!!

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 11:24pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

A LOT of people would do this. It has reletively minimal effects on the future of the child when compared to the benefits for the parent who looks to do such a thing in order to manipulate the state. If you don't believe people do this, then I can assure you you're wrong.

[uqote] Mr stuffins- I'm not new to this forum and I know men can be single parents as well but we both know in this country the vast majority of single parents are women. So no shame on me really.

If you are not new then I have no idea how you have been able to miss the almost daily threads of social welfare.[/QUOTE]

You obviously dont have kids. Do you think it would affect you if father unknown was on your birthcert? I know it would fairly sicken me:(

I have seen all of the welfare threads on AH if they dont start out beating up single parents they end up that way.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:24pm

Offy wrote: »

Why?

It would be best if I didn't just presume the point you were trying to make don't you think?

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:25pm

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

You obviously dont have kids. Do you think it would affect you if father unknown was on your birthcert? I know it would fairly sicken me

I have seen all of the welfare threads on AH if they dont start out beating up single parents they end up that way.

That's not the point I was making. If you re-read my post you'll understand.

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:25pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Offy wrote: »

Why?

It would be best if I didn't just presume the point you were trying to make don't you think?

The point I was trying to make is that you cant see the light of day.

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 11:27pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

It would be best if I didn't just presume the point you were trying to make don't you think?

What have you got against single parents though. Be honest, whats the problem?

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:28pm

Offy wrote: »

The point I was trying to make is that you cant see the light of day.

You're going around in circles here but not actually making any point at all. You are making veiled points without actually putting your cards on the table.

What i've been trying to do is get you to verify what exactly you were trying to say without jumping to the worst conclusion, which would've been easy to do. But it seems you don't want to make yourself clear. That's your choice.

Sitec · 13-12-2011 11:28pm

studdlymurphy wrote: »

Im not one to snitch but there is 4 done so far. Link here for anyone who wants to be a snitch with me.

I don't see how it's being a "snitch". We're not in primary school and frankly if everyone did it we wouldn't have this problem.

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:29pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Offy wrote: »

The point I was trying to make is that you cant see the light of day.

You're going around in circles here but not actually making any point at all. You are making veiled points without actually putting your cards on the table.

What i've been trying to do is get you to verify what exactly you were trying to say without jumping to the worst conclusion, which would've been easy to do. But it seems you don't want to make yourself clear. That's your choice.

Why do you dislike lone parents so much?

fedor.2. · 13-12-2011 11:29pm

Sitec wrote: »

I don't see how it's being a "snitch". We're not in primary school and frankly if everyone did it we wouldn't have this problem.

Ya we'd all be in prison

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:32pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is possibly true. If all social welfare fraud was eradicated we'd have more money in the coffers, we could cut spending massively in this area which would have knock on effects on further budgets, concerning the likes of income tax, VAT and other types of taxes.

Thats utter rubbish, the government would take it in a different way.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:32pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

What have you got against single parents though. Be honest, whats the problem?

Nothing. Nothing at all. Where have I indicated i've something against single parents? You're getting very very sensitive here.

Also, you seem to be an economic expert here. Mind clearing up your "post of the year" from earlier? You're denying that eradication of social welfare fraud would lead to lack of spending in Social Welfare......... is this correct?

I'm not sure if it's scarier that you failed to understand simple budgetry procedure in your retort or the fact that others agreed with it.

PS: I don't teach Economics but I am qualified to lecture Economics if that helps you.

Owryan · 13-12-2011 11:32pm

I reported someone about a year ago, claiming loan parents but living with her partner. He earns in excess of a grand a week and has property in dublin too.

They run up gas n esb bills then go to their cwo to get whatever they can. Its sickening to see the way they are abusing the system.

Had no problem reporting them at all. I agree not everyone is a fraud but there are plenty to give all lone parents a bad name.

Offy · 13-12-2011 11:34pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

A LOT of people would do this. It has reletively minimal effects on the future of the child when compared to the benefits for the parent who looks to do such a thing in order to manipulate the state. If you don't believe people do this, then I can assure you you're wrong.

What about the politicians that manipulate the state, or the bankers, or the property developers? Why dont you have a go at them rather than picking on the poor?

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 11:34pm

Offy wrote: »

Why do you dislike lone parents so much?

Where have I said I dislike lone parents? Could you indocate to me where I have either said this or eluded to this.

Offy wrote: »

Thats utter rubbish, the government would take it in a different way.

Not the point I was making. The point I was making was that eradicating Social Welfare fraud would reduce spending in Social Welfare. You seem to disagree with this, may I ask why? it's a simple concept.

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 11:35pm

I think there is a lot of talk from the current minister for social devastation(thanks david Norris for that one) about fraud and particular OPFA, which seems to justify for all the right wingers that wrongly stereotypes OPFA as young, uneducated and sitting on their ass getting every possible allowance know to man,and opening our legs to every known man along with it, 4*4 anyone , like Handy Sandy off bloody republic of telly, when it's simply not true, average age is 37 and we are educated And also compared to other European country's who have fantastic childcare facilities which allow a lot of people to go back retrain/college/work we have nothing in Ireland unless your willing to pay excessive prices, my older bro is in France and he is pretty much sorted childcare wise + lack of any job creation in this country, just seen Sean Sherlock on pt tonight, if we want more money in coffers we need people back working but they are doing zero

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