Shootings In France

Tzar Chasm · 19-03-2012 7:39pm

Like I said earlier some people hear the word terrorist and seem to jump to that conclusion

This same thing happened when brehivik went bats it

Is the an election in france soon?

This looks like it might be something the centrist parties will pick up on and run with to discredit the far right

Chuck Stone · 19-03-2012 7:42pm

Poor kids. It takes a special type of cunt to shoot at innocent little kids going to school.

I really hope that this vicious crime unites all the people of France in a shared sense of revulsion.

Eric Cartman · 19-03-2012 7:42pm

RIP to all those affected and hopefully their families are coping well

I think people are too quick to call in the "anti semetism" card alltogether, even the media. More information will be required before these killings can be in any way associated with anti-semetism.

Ellis Dee · 19-03-2012 7:56pm

brimal wrote: »

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I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts, unless they are on-topic.

I hope that's a promise.:):):) I have no interest in interacting with boorish people who resort to personal insults in lieu of reasoned arguments and lack the decency and politeness to apologise even when it is made clear to them that they have violated the forum rules. :rolleyes:

On the topic of the thread, I was out for a while and happened to bump into an acquaintance, a parliamentary official who is usually a very reliable source of information. He says the "vibe" is that there is some kind of right-wing extremist linkage in this and the fear is that it may spread beyond France if they have established networks. He also seemed quite annoyed with Sarkozy, who in his view has been pandering far too much to the French xenophobic right wing of late. All that talk about too many foreigners in France ... He believes the perpetrators are French people who belong to the majority section of the population. When I asked him why the same people seem to have attacked both North African Arabs and Jews, he pointed out that the French seem to hate Arabs and Jews with equal vehemence.

On an unrelated subject, he has also told me that our old friend Olli Rehn will soon be replaced, most likely by the present Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, which should made for some interesting times. But that will be a story for another day.:)

Freddie59 · 19-03-2012 8:01pm

Sisko wrote: »

Probably would be if France continuously claimed to be the best country in the world. Gods country. The most morally righteous country in the world. All while invading and starting wars across the world at the same time...

People don't just randomly criticize America for the craic like...

Yes the US is always gonna be judged more harshly than other nations due to everything I mentioned at the start of my post.

Pretty messed up all right. Can't be random can it? There's talk of Muslim extremists but not too sure if this is the case yet.

Three kids dead. And you take the chance to have a self-serving rant about the USA.:rolleyes: So mature and forgiving of you. May they Rest In Peace.

Freddie59 · 19-03-2012 8:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17426313

According to the Guardian, a father and two his sons are amongst the victims.

This seems to be the same individual who shot 3 soldiers in two other incidents earlier.

If we could avoid sectarianism/racism etc please........

I would agree Nod. Unfortunately some can't.

Freddie59 · 19-03-2012 8:04pm

Ellis Dee wrote: »

You are not a moderator. I'll accept their rulings, but you post your stuff and I'll decide for myself what to post. OK?

That is your interpretation, to which you are entitled. But it does not entitle you to become abusive. I assume that it is legitimate to oppose the war crimes and other crimes of Israel.

Your resorting to personal abuse instead of countering my arguments reveals a lot about you. I am always polite to other posters and I suggest you try doing the same, because now you just come across as a rather loutish bully. And, of course, it is very easy to insult people like that from behind the apron of Internet anonymity.

I am perfectly entitled to point out that many hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis with their total disregard for collateral damage, and I pointed out this in response to another poster's remark about nine children recently being murdered in Afghanistan by one or several Americans. I was responding to another poster's speculation that the killing of children in Afghanistan might have been the motivation for the attacks in France. The killings in Afghanistan and Palestine are every bit as reprehensible as killing a Rabbi and his kids. Unlike you, however, I am not selective, but condemn all killing of innocents.:rolleyes:

Now apologise for calling me scum if you are man enough, or else spew all the vitriol you wish, because I couldn't care less.:)

Could you not, for once put your anti-US and anti-Israel stance on hold and say a short prayer for the dead....and their grieving parents?

Micky Dolenz · 19-03-2012 8:07pm

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I hope that's a promise.:):):) I have no interest in interacting with boorish people who resort to personal insults in lieu of reasoned arguments and lack the decency and politeness to apologise even when it is made clear to them that they have violated the forum rules. :rolleyes:

On an unrelated subject, he has also told me that our old friend Olli Rehn will soon be replaced, most likely by the present Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, which should made for some interesting times. But that will be a story for another day.:)

Please Don't post in this thread again.

losthorizon · 19-03-2012 8:07pm

I haven't a clue who carried out this attack but I suspect strongly, very strongly, that all the attacks lately are linked. I was in this region of France last year and I am going back in a few months and there were a good few army personnel out and about training. Same time same place. Very easy targets for anyone wanting to do it and school children well what can you say.

RIP to all the victims over the last few months.

Mountainsandh · 19-03-2012 8:21pm

They know the same person carried out the attacks : the scooter number plates were recorded on video, and matched with those of the other attacks. Same gun was also used.

Strongly suspected the killer may have been or still be a soldier, more than likely one of the disgruntled soldiers who had been sacked for displaying "neo-nazi" behaviour (posed for a photograph with Hitler salute in front of Swaztika).
http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/exclusif-le-point-une-premiere-piste-dans-l-enquete-de-toulouse-19-03-2012-1442791_23.php

Manic Moran · 20-03-2012 5:13am

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its no less out there than bringing the Lebanon into it, as the thread was beginning to nosedive into the usual Mooslim-hating rubbish.

Not that far out there. Some Irish soldiers were killed by a relative of a man they killed in a firefight in Lebanon as a direct reprisal. (captured and executed).

And I never said anything about "Mooslims." Privates Barrett and Smallhorne were killed (and O' Mahoney wounded) by a Christian.

NTM

Amalgam · 20-03-2012 5:49am

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Strongly suspected the killer may have been or still be a soldier, more than likely one of the disgruntled soldiers who had been sacked for displaying "neo-nazi" behaviour (posed for a photograph with Hitler salute in front of Swaztika).

Some of the UK tabloids are running *that picture* in their features. Not seen it printed by the broadsheets.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/toulouse-shooting-nazis-hunted-for-massacre-766121

This'll provide a very perverse backdrop to the upcoming elections, with the right wanting to become the mainstream, or rather, to catch a wider percentage of the vote.

Dubhlinner · 20-03-2012 1:20pm

Will be established pretty quickly if its one or all of those discharged paratroopers now that its asserted in the media the French want to question them. If they don't come forward by today its almost certainly them. In which case their they should be tracked down very soon and hopefully no more victims of the murdering f*cks

Only danger is they now go on a last minute spree ot take a death by paratrooper exit.

If its not them, well only time will tell. I thought it may have been Basques at first given the attack on the soldiers, but almost certain to be a white nationalist motivated attack given they have massacred Jewish children and as it turns out the soldiers were from ethnic minority backgrounds. Scary thing is they almost certainly seem to have military training given they could take out three soldiers.

thomasm · 20-03-2012 1:29pm

Jesus Christ !! According to indo he cornered the 8 year old girl, put the gun against her head and then executed her. He was also appears to have recorded it. Where do you even start with a psycho like that

Doc Ruby · 20-03-2012 2:00pm

Ellis Dee wrote: »

He also seemed quite annoyed with Sarkozy, who in his view has been pandering far too much to the French xenophobic right wing of late. All that talk about too many foreigners in France ...

Yeah that was my first thought on reading about this as well. Nice job sarko you vicious little midget, and now we learn that people don't oppose racist rhetoric just for the laughs, or philosophical reasons.

Cunt will still sleep soundly in his bed tonight though.

Dubhlinner · 20-03-2012 2:26pm

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Yeah that was my first thought on reading about this as well. Nice job sarko you vicious little midget, and now we learn that people don't oppose racist rhetoric just for the laughs, or philosophical reasons.

Cunt will still sleep soundly in his bed tonight though.

Oh come off it. That's the same logic people use when they say violent video games and marilyn manson lead to school massacres.

Sarkozy's comments on immigration had nothing to do with these attacks. Its an insult to the victims to suggest they did.

Doc Ruby · 20-03-2012 2:35pm

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Oh come off it. That's the same logic people use when they say violent video games and marilyn manson lead to school massacres.

Sarkozy's comments on immigration had nothing to do with these attacks. Its an insult to the victims to suggest they did.

By pandering to racists within France rather than standing up in clear opposition, I would say yes, he played a part in enabling these actions.

K-9 · 20-03-2012 2:45pm

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Oh come off it. That's the same logic people use when they say violent video games and marilyn manson lead to school massacres.

Sarkozy's comments on immigration had nothing to do with these attacks. Its an insult to the victims to suggest they did.

Obviously he isn't directly responsible but he has been sabre rattling recently and playing to the Le Pen wing for support. Politicians need to be very careful with words when talking about immigration.

Very sad case, needs to be condemned by everybody.

Dubit10 · 20-03-2012 2:55pm

thomasm wrote: »

Jesus Christ !! According to indo he cornered the 8 year old girl, put the gun against her head and then executed her. He was also appears to have recorded it. Where do you even start with a psycho like that

Can't even start can you. It's beyond the power of my thinking anyway how somebody could be so cold.

LittleBook · 20-03-2012 3:40pm

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Strongly suspected the killer may have been or still be a soldier, more than likely one of the disgruntled soldiers who had been sacked for displaying "neo-nazi" behaviour (posed for a photograph with Hitler salute in front of Swaztika).
http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/exclusif-le-point-une-premiere-piste-dans-l-enquete-de-toulouse-19-03-2012-1442791_23.php

Amalgam wrote: »

Some of the UK tabloids are running *that picture* in their features. Not seen it printed by the broadsheets.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/toulouse-shooting-nazis-hunted-for-massacre-766121

They've ruled out those guys.

Ex Paras Nazis Hors de Cause

Summary and translation:

The three French soldiers dismissed from the army in 2008 for neo-nazi activity were ruled out of the investigation into killings in Toulouse and the surrounding area, according to a police source.

"Two of them were interviewed last night" said the source. The third was interviewed last week and ruled out after the shooting which cost the lives of three soldiers from their ex-regiment.

Dubhlinner · 20-03-2012 7:52pm

K-9 wrote: »

Obviously he isn't directly responsible but he has been sabre rattling recently and playing to the Le Pen wing for support. Politicians need to be very careful with words when talking about immigration.

Very sad case, needs to be condemned by everybody.

What are you implying by noting he was sabre rattling? He's not even indirectly responsible. Right wing nuts would see him as a traitor to whites for simply being part of the establishment. They couldn't give a toss what he has to say.

If anything Sarkozy sabre rattling would have the opposite effect because people might be less likely to be drawn to extremist views and fringe groups.

Owen_S · 20-03-2012 8:27pm

No doubt that Sarkozy will use this to his advantage, especially with the left-bias we already get from mainstream media outlets.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-03-2012 9:07pm

I don't think a 'human' can sink any lower than shooting an innocent child at point blank range. When they apprehend this dog I hope he's last hours on this planet are filled with the most horrid degrading acts of sadism ever inflicted to a man, I hope they disembowel his filthy carcass and hang him by his ankles until every last drop of bitter bile flows away, I hope he feels the engulfing dark fear of the abyss as the gates of hell open.

Celly Smunt · 20-03-2012 9:21pm

Everyone just quiet down for a second,let's all remember what we have always been told.France doesn't have a race problem....

:rolleyes:

Jorah · 20-03-2012 10:00pm

France has a huge race problem (as does pretty much every other country that has a significant non-white population).

Of course, this very tragic crime is now new ammunition to use against people that want to oppose mass immigration.

Sisko · 20-03-2012 10:52pm

Freddie59 wrote: »

Three kids dead. And you take the chance to have a self-serving rant about the USA.:rolleyes: So mature and forgiving of you. May they Rest In Peace.

No less mature than your post really when that discussion had already been dealt with, it was a reply to a post someone else made and nothing more. Rolleyes all you want. You are no better:

Three kids dead and you decide to troll someone on a comment they made in a thread completely ignoring other posts and putting it out of context? How mature and forgiving of you. :rolleyes:

May they Rest in Peace.

K-9 · 20-03-2012 11:46pm

Dubhlinner wrote: »

What are you implying by noting he was sabre rattling? He's not even indirectly responsible. Right wing nuts would see him as a traitor to whites for simply being part of the establishment. They couldn't give a toss what he has to say.

If anything Sarkozy sabre rattling would have the opposite effect because people might be less likely to be drawn to extremist views and fringe groups.

Its election year in France, Sarkozy isn't doing great so he has returned to that old stomping ground that played a big part in getting him elected, immigration:

Nicolas Sarkozy Decries "Too Many Foreigners" In France as Presidential Election Campaign Heats Up | Global Spin | TIME.com

Le Pen's daughter is proving a threat and probably taking some of his natural vote and the sabre rattling seemed to be gaining votes, up in the polls:

Election Pandering Decried In France And Abroad | Global Spin | TIME.com

Coincidental, yep but politicians have a huge responsibility to be measured and not inflammatory when talking about it, Sarkozy couldn't help himself, the immigration debate was reignited, got more and more press and then we get this attack.

I'll let people think what they want on it, totally unrelated or some lesson to learn.

bb1234567 · 20-03-2012 11:48pm

Was this a hate crime of some kind or simply random?

LittleBook · 21-03-2012 9:49am

Raid on Toulouse Shooting Suspect

Police hunting a gunman suspected of killing seven people in southern France have surrounded a flat in Toulouse.

The man, named as Mohammed Merah, 24, a Frenchman of Algerian origin, has said he belongs to al-Qaeda and acted to "avenge Palestinian children".

Police are negotiating with the man, who is still said to be armed but says he may give himself up this afternoon.

Two police officers were injured in exchanges of fire during the raid and there are reports of a fresh blast.

enda1 · 21-03-2012 10:00am

Fair play to the police tracking him down so quickly, before he's the chance to kill any more innocent people. Hopefully they can bring him in alive so they learn any more about fellow like minded individuals around the country. Don't make a martyr of him whatever happens!

BluesBerry · 21-03-2012 10:13am

enda1 wrote: »

Fair play to the police tracking him down so quickly, before he's the chance to kill any more innocent people. Hopefully they can bring him in alive so they learn any more about fellow like minded individuals around the country. Don't make a martyr of him whatever happens!

They should hand him over to the families of the kids he murdered let them tear him limb from limb ... bstard

fryup · 21-03-2012 10:20am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yep, that would really enhance islamic - jewish relations :rolleyes:

SeanW · 21-03-2012 2:40pm

Oh my, a Muslim who hates Jews. That's such a surprise, it's TOTALLY unprecedented.

I mean, it's not like Muslims teach their children to hate Jews at 3 years old or anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo

More explanations of this insanity here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdXT_ckYmg

Nodin · 21-03-2012 2:44pm

SeanW wrote: »

Oh my, a Muslim who hates Jews. That's such a surprise, it's TOTALLY unprecedented.

I mean, it's not like Muslims teach their children to hate Jews at 3 years old or anything
..............

Why is it when a right wing extremist does things, right wing extremism is blamed, but when a muslim extremist does something, muslims get blamed?

pacquiao · 21-03-2012 2:51pm

Nodin wrote: »

Why is it when a right wing extremist does things, right wing extremism is blamed, but when a muslim extremist does something, muslims get blamed?

Why is it this thread is only a few pages long? Does nobody care now that he's not a white "nazi" anymore?
Glad they caught this lunatic.

tigger123 · 21-03-2012 3:09pm

Nodin wrote: »

Why is it when a right wing extremist does things, right wing extremism is blamed, but when a muslim extremist does something, muslims get blamed?

It's a good point, people confuse extremist behavior with the whole faith.

RichieC · 21-03-2012 3:10pm

pacquiao wrote: »

Why is it this thread is only a few pages long? Does nobody care now that he's not a white "nazi" anymore?
Glad they caught this lunatic.

post 80 was the first post naming the scum.

Border-Rat · 21-03-2012 3:32pm

pacquiao wrote: »

Why is it this thread is only a few pages long? Does nobody care now that he's not a white "nazi" anymore?
Glad they caught this lunatic.

It'll go to 20 pages, now that its revealed he's a Muslim. Anti-Islamic sectarianism is trendy, as seen with the un-moderated post a few replies up.

SeanW · 21-03-2012 4:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

Why is it when a right wing extremist does things, right wing extremism is blamed, but when a muslim extremist does something, muslims get blamed?

When Anders Brevhik went on his murdering rampage there a while back, the PC-Left on this board gleefully siezed the opportunity to tar everyone is was skeptical of multiculturalism or anyway critical of Islam with the "lunatic murder" brush.

Considering that these appear to be the rules, I wonder if now is not a good time to ask if there's a link between Islamic rhetoric (y'know, like 3 year olds "knowing" that Jews are apes, pigs & Prophet murderers, and that Muslims have a religious duty to hate Jews etc) and the anti-Semitic acts of the people who are obviously raised on this kind of rhetoric.

RichieC · 21-03-2012 4:06pm

SeanW wrote: »

When Anders Brevhik went on his murdering rampage there a while back, the PC-Left on this board gleefully siezed the opportunity to tar everyone is was skeptical of multiculturalism or anyway critical of Islam with the "lunatic murder" brush.

Considering that these appear to be the rules, I wonder if now is not a good time to ask if there's a link between Islamic rhetoric (y'know, like 3 year olds "knowing" that Jews are apes, pigs & Prophet murderers, and that Muslims have a religious duty to hate Jews etc) and the anti-Semitic acts of the people who are obviously raised on this kind of rhetoric.

There's a definite problem. One that won't get any better by alienating the moderates in Islam.

By the way there's serious propaganda in Israel against pretty much the whole world.

Recommended documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jsiLWXGYQ

Chuck Stone · 21-03-2012 4:12pm

SeanW wrote: »

Oh my, a Muslim who hates Jews. That's such a surprise, it's TOTALLY unprecedented.

I mean, it's not like Muslims teach their children to hate Jews at 3 years old or anything

What are you trying to say?

It's difficult to make it out with the sound of your axe grinding.

wes · 21-03-2012 4:45pm

SeanW wrote: »

When Anders Brevhik went on his murdering rampage there a while back, the PC-Left on this board gleefully siezed the opportunity to tar everyone is was skeptical of multiculturalism or anyway critical of Islam with the "lunatic murder" brush.

That would be a fair point, if the far-right (and a lot of the regular right as well) weren't already operating under those rules for at least the last decade. Pretending that some how that this sort of the thing only started with Brevik, is simply absurd.

Either way, this is way off topic. Remember the thread is about a man who murdered a bunch of innocent people, including children.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 5:04pm

SeanW wrote: »

When Anders Brevhik went on his murdering rampage there a while back, the PC-Left on this board gleefully siezed the opportunity to tar everyone is was skeptical of multiculturalism or anyway critical of Islam with the "lunatic murder" brush..

Yes, I clearly remember people saying "Those moderate bastards with a rational argument should be locked up" etc and so on.

SeanW wrote: »

Considering that these appear to be the rules, I wonder if now is not a good time to ask if there's a link between Islamic rhetoric (y'know, like 3 year olds "knowing" that Jews are apes, pigs & Prophet murderers, and that Muslims have a religious duty to hate Jews etc) and the anti-Semitic acts of the people who are obviously raised on this kind of rhetoric.

.....taking France as an example, I'd imagine its rather distant, given the infrequency of such events and the size of the French muslim population.

Batsy · 21-03-2012 7:54pm

Sisko wrote: »

Probably would be if France continuously claimed to be the best country in the world.

And it doesn't?

BlaasForRafa · 21-03-2012 7:59pm

Batsy wrote: »

And it doesn't?

Have you any evidence that it does?

BlaasForRafa · 21-03-2012 8:02pm

tigger123 wrote: »

It's a good point, people confuse extremist behavior with the whole faith.

Possibly because Islam is probably the most intolerant faith there is.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 8:07pm

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Possibly because Islam is probably the most intolerant faith there is.

...certain sects in certain places, much like Hinduism. Islam being more widespread, however, it has the worse reputation.

tigger123 · 21-03-2012 8:20pm

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Possibly because Islam is probably the most intolerant faith there is.

And what are you basing that on?

Toby Take a Bow · 21-03-2012 9:16pm

tigger123 wrote: »

And what are you basing that on?

Sweeping generalisations backed up with anecdotal evidence, I'd say.

Snake Plisken · 21-03-2012 10:07pm

Hope the shoot that Islamist Nutter holed up in his apartment in the balls and leave him bleed out! Also I would suggest with all these various extremist groups around I'd say there is a good chance that something bad will happen this summer in London with the Olympics taking place!

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