Unpopular opinions

Schwiiing · 03-08-2015 2:08pm

Liamario wrote: »

Fair enough, but that's besides the point. Why the hell do you support man utd over your local team? Surely you accept that most irish supporters of foreign clubs have no connection to those clubs?

The premiership was the only football discussed in school when I was young. It was a couple of years later before I even knew an Irish league existed. It was too late by then.

conorhal · 03-08-2015 2:10pm

Schwiiing wrote: »

What do you talk about that's so interesting?

Literally anything else?

Whenever I see footie on the telly this is all I hear..

Dozen Wicked Words · 03-08-2015 2:13pm

My unpopular opinion: Paying a bit more tax isn't always a bad thing, sometimes for the greater good its worth it.

03-08-2015 2:16pm

When I look at the youth of today, I'm really worried about the future. People complain about political correctness for as long as I can remember, but Internet culture (the likes you'd find on Tumblr and other such places) is bringing it to heights the world has never seen and the egg shells you have to walk on have egg shells they have to walk on.

galljga1 · 03-08-2015 2:17pm

conorhal wrote: »

Literally anything else?

Whenever I see footie on the telly this is all I hear..

Exactly how I feel.
If there is not a match on, there is a lead up or postmortem. There are post season, pre season programmes, transfer programmes, manager programmes, endless nonsense that is not the actual match.
Enough is enough.

Kev W · 03-08-2015 2:20pm

realies wrote: »

Saying you don't drink alcohol is a not very popular opinion, In Ireland anyway.

Saying you don't drink alcohol isn't an opinion.

03-08-2015 2:23pm

Kev W wrote: »

Saying you don't drink alcohol isn't an opinion.

How about if you think that drinking alcohol is a mostly pointless and overly expensive luxury?

There. That's an opinion.

galljga1 · 03-08-2015 2:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How about if you think that drinking alcohol is a mostly pointless and overly expensive luxury?

There. That's an opinion.

One that I agree with as I drink way too much.

03-08-2015 2:29pm

I have no problem with drinking alcohol and it can be fun to get drunk and have been drunk with a few boardsies, but I also don't like being made feel like there's something wrong with me when I don't want to drink. That happens way more often than it should.

NIMAN · 03-08-2015 2:32pm

Schwiiing wrote: »

I support Man Utd. I watched Galway FC once and difference in quality was night and day. It's like watching the Royal Shakespeare company against the local school nativity play.

You were expecting them to be of equal quality were you?

Kev W · 03-08-2015 2:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How about if you think that drinking alcohol is a mostly pointless and overly expensive luxury?

There. That's an opinion.

It can be overly expensive alright but if you shop wisely and drink in moderation it needn't be cripplingly expensive.
As for pointless, that depends on what you're drinking and why.

03-08-2015 2:37pm

Kev W wrote: »

It can be overly expensive alright but if you shop wisely and drink in moderation it needn't be cripplingly expensive.
As for pointless, that depends on what you're drinking and why.

Oh, I'm a very smart shopper and barely drink in a pub if I've been predrinking and already lightly sozzled, but it still can work out very expensive for what you're ultimately getting. Maybe I've been living a somewhat-frugal life for way too long, who knows?

Right Turn Clyde · 03-08-2015 3:01pm

Liamario wrote: »

People who support foreign football teams and ignore their local ones should be ashamed.

My local team are a fairly nondescript outfit from the Midlands. The last time I seen them play my badly hungover nephew scored the winner. I support them, but somehow I'm able to simultaneously support Manchester United. I've never felt ashamed of myself. Until now.

Right Turn Clyde · 03-08-2015 3:27pm

Liamario wrote: »

People who support foreign football teams and ignore their local ones should be ashamed.

On a serious note, have you seen RTE's Green is the Colour? I think it done a good job of explaining why English football developed such a following in Ireland.

I'd love to have a local League of Ireland team. The nearest to me would be any of the Dublin clubs. I've often considered heading to a game but I just don't feel any connection with them so it would just feel forced and artificial. Of course I support my local team but it's just amateur hour through and through. Good craic, but it's hardly an alternative to the Champions League.

I understand the point you're making though. If we put the same attention and money into our own teams then we could conceivably play a bigger role in European football. Imagine Irish and English teams meeting regularly in the Europa League, or having Spanish and German teams coming to Dublin and Galway for a cold and rainy second-leg? It's the stuff of dreams for any genuine football fan.

I think you're being too hard on people though. Imagine growing up with the Premier League in your living room, watching Alan Shearer running riot or Tony Yeboah driving in screamers from 25 yards. That's essentially what happened to me and the rest of my generation of football fans. My dad spent large periods of his life in Manchester and his siblings still live their, so I never had a choice in who to support. Manchester is such a huge part of my family's history. But if I did have a choice I'd probably still have picked them. Who else was I gonna support? Athlone? Galway? Sligo? I wanted to watch exciting football. I didn't want to see my brother and his hungover friends playing behind a car park for the 'local team'.

_Kaiser_ · 03-08-2015 4:00pm

The other issue you have in relation to local league is the attention is split in favour of "more Irish" sports like GAA.. and even if we did put more money/attention into local teams, we're a very small nation with a handful of EPL/World-class players. Unless out population ramps up tenfold that won't change!

Besides, I never get this "support your own regardless" attitude. If people don't feel a connection with the local team, and the quality isn't appealing then why shouldn't they support someone else, even if it's a (shock, horror) English side?

Liamario · 03-08-2015 4:01pm

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

My unpopular opinion: Paying a bit more tax isn't always a bad thing, sometimes for the greater good its worth it.

I've no problem with paying more tax, but the money is rarely used as intended.

Wacker The Attacker · 03-08-2015 4:53pm

I like cake

RainyDay · 03-08-2015 6:03pm

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I like cake

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irishguitarlad · 03-08-2015 6:04pm

I think tattoos are uncool.

Omackeral · 03-08-2015 6:31pm

Schwiiing wrote: »

I support Man Utd. I watched Galway FC once and difference in quality was night and day. It's like watching the Royal Shakespeare company against the local school nativity play.

You say you watched them once. Excellent way to form an opinion of a team. What if you saw United on a bad day? Bad argument. Besides, if that's the case and using your logic, watching Argentina and Ireland is night and day, would you support the Argentina national team over the Irish one?

eternal · 03-08-2015 6:39pm

The tramps always win. Circa being a teen.

Omackeral · 03-08-2015 6:41pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The other issue you have in relation to local league is the attention is split in favour of "more Irish" sports like GAA.. and even if we did put more money/attention into local teams, we're a very small nation with a handful of EPL/World-class players. Unless out population ramps up tenfold that won't change!

Besides, I never get this "support your own regardless" attitude. If people don't feel a connection with the local team, and the quality isn't appealing then why shouldn't they support someone else, even if it's a (shock, horror) English side?

Most other countries do. People from Dundee generally support Dundee FC or Dundee United, people from Nottingham generally support Nottingham Forest or Notts County. That attitude only suits us when it comes to club soccer. Would a Leitrim man support Kerry because they're easier on the eye or play a more exciting style? I cringe when I hear how the Irish are often lauded as the best fans in the world. Great for getting on a bandwagon at the World Cup or European Championships maybe. Supporting a team week in and week out though? Nah, not for us. Then we just blame standards, which don't seem to come into it when the national team is concerned. Another thing ya gotta love is how it's always family in Manchester or London but it's never Oldham Athletic or Crystal Palace the person follows. Ok I'm ranting now but it's definately true and most definately unpopular to acknowledge it.

Anesthetize · 03-08-2015 6:42pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Most other countries do. People from Dundee generally support Dundee FC or Dundee United, people from Nottingham generally support Nottingham Forest or Notts County. That attitude only suits us when it comes to club soccer. Would a Leitrim man support Kerry because they're easier on the eye or play a more exciting style? I cringe when I hear how the Irish are often lauded as the best fans in the world. Great for getting on a bandwagon at the World Cup or European Championships maybe. Supporting a team week in and week out though? Nah, not for us. Then we just blame standards, which don't seem to come into it when the national team is concerned. Another thing ya gotta love is how it's always family in Manchester or London but it's never Oldham Athletic or Crystal Palace the person follows. Ok I'm ranting now but it's definately true and most definately unpopular to acknowledge it.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

_Kaiser_ · 03-08-2015 6:45pm

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I think tattoos are uncool.

Oh yes.. this x 1000. Think they just look dirty (even more so as they age) and it would actually put me off someone, especially in a potential partner

Another one.. drugs. No time whatsoever for drug users.. even the so-called "harmless" ones. Yea yea alcohol is a drug, but then I wouldn't go out with a heavy drinker either. I did the "mad sessions" in my 20s too, but I grew out of it... that and living outside the city meant it wasn't worth the hassle or expense of trying to get home at the end of the night.

Eugene Norman · 03-08-2015 6:45pm

Anesthetize wrote: »

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

You certainly rebutted his points one by one there.

Omackeral · 03-08-2015 6:48pm

Anesthetize wrote: »

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Which part specifically. Go ahead. And don't just say all of it.

Cold War Kid · 03-08-2015 6:57pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Most other countries do. People from Dundee generally support Dundee FC or Dundee United, people from Nottingham generally support Nottingham Forest or Notts County. That attitude only suits us when it comes to club soccer. Would a Leitrim man support Kerry because they're easier on the eye or play a more exciting style? I cringe when I hear how the Irish are often lauded as the best fans in the world. Great for getting on a bandwagon at the World Cup or European Championships maybe. Supporting a team week in and week out though? Nah, not for us. Then we just blame standards, which don't seem to come into it when the national team is concerned. Another thing ya gotta love is how it's always family in Manchester or London but it's never Oldham Athletic or Crystal Palace the person follows. Ok I'm ranting now but it's definately true and most definately unpopular to acknowledge it.

Very good post. I do understand people being unable to resist the excitement of the big Premiership teams, to be fair, but people should at least support their local team also.

Omackeral · 03-08-2015 7:03pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Very good post. I do understand people being unable to resist the excitement of the big Premiership teams, to be fair, but people should at least support their local team also.

In all honesty, people are free to support who they want and it doesn't bother me really. It's when they ask who you support and you say Cork City or Shamrock Rovers they go ''but who do you really support?'' as if you're the weird one for following your own. Most other countries do but over here, we are in the definate minority. Defo agree that they're not mutually exclusive too btw, most League Of Ireland fans would have a team in the Premiership they would like too. Nothing wrong with it. I'd love if more people followed both, it's easily done, LOI on friday at the games and United/Liverpool/Arsenal on a Saturday or Sunday. Easy.

Kev W · 03-08-2015 7:13pm

Anesthetize wrote: »

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

To be fair at the time of writing the above you had not yet read the above.

Right Turn Clyde · 03-08-2015 7:38pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Another one.. drugs. No time whatsoever for drug users.. even the so-called "harmless" ones. Yea yea alcohol is a drug, but then I wouldn't go out with a heavy drinker either. I did the "mad sessions" in my 20s too, but I grew out of it... that and living outside the city meant it wasn't worth the hassle or expense of trying to get home at the end of the night.

So I assume you would go out with a 'regular' drinker. But would you go out with someone that had the odd joint or pill every now and then?

I'm just wondering what your actual problem is? Is it the risk that comes with drug taking? Is it the illegality? I'm not trying to catch you out here or anything. I'm genuinely interested.

I just think it's crazy how accepted alcohol abuse is in this country, versus cannabis use, for instance.

It's the same with cigarettes. Yes, many of us can't stand them, but it would be unusual to question the decency or integrity of someone that smokes. And yet that's what 'drug users' face all the time.

Different drugs lead to wildly different effects. I can see why someone would be put off by a sweaty clubber off his face on E, but what about the guy that quietly takes mushrooms every six months because he finds it helps him to explore new ideas and encourages him to look into new areas of study, etc.

That second guy is me. I simply cannot imagine my life without psychedelics. Some of the best decisions I've ever made in relation to work, education and my personal well-being were made on either mushrooms or LSD.

Would you have no time for me whatsoever?

Right Turn Clyde · 03-08-2015 7:55pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Another thing ya gotta love is how it's always family in Manchester or London but it's never Oldham Athletic or Crystal Palace the person follows. Ok I'm ranting now but it's definately true and most definately unpopular to acknowledge it.

Manchester was a popular destination for the Irish because of the post-war construction and manufacturing boom. There's not much point in emigrating to England and then being out of work and living in the middle of nowhere.

Manchester United was traditionally seen as Greater Manchester's 'Catholic' football club. It was hugely popular with Irish immigrants even before the 1950s and the Busby Babes.

In saying that, I assume a lot of people picked Man U simply because they were Man U. My dad picked them because his choice on a Saturday afternoon was going to see Best, Charlton and Law, or, well, I'm not sure who played for Oldham back then. Maybe he was a glory hunter but I wouldn't expect anything else from a 10 year old just fresh off the boat.

Quazzie · 03-08-2015 7:59pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Most other countries do. People from Dundee generally support Dundee FC or Dundee United, people from Nottingham generally support Nottingham Forest or Notts County. That attitude only suits us when it comes to club soccer. Would a Leitrim man support Kerry because they're easier on the eye or play a more exciting style? I cringe when I hear how the Irish are often lauded as the best fans in the world. Great for getting on a bandwagon at the World Cup or European Championships maybe. Supporting a team week in and week out though? Nah, not for us. Then we just blame standards, which don't seem to come into it when the national team is concerned. Another thing ya gotta love is how it's always family in Manchester or London but it's never Oldham Athletic or Crystal Palace the person follows. Ok I'm ranting now but it's definately true and most definately unpopular to acknowledge it.

So... you say we are all bandwagon jumpers and get behind Ireland for the big tournaments, and then go onto say how we complain that the standard of local soccer isn't enough but we don't complain about the Ireland team. The reason we're such bandwagon jumpers is because the Irish league and the Irish team are shít, and hard to watch. However when the unlikely happens and we make it to a finals we'll all jump on board for the craic. Nothing craic about going to watch LOI matches.

Billy86 · 03-08-2015 8:13pm

Quazzie wrote: »

So... you say we are all bandwagon jumpers and get behind Ireland for the big tournaments, and then go onto say how we complain that the standard of local soccer isn't enough but we don't complain about the Ireland team. The reason we're such bandwagon jumpers is because the Irish league and the Irish team are shít, and hard to watch. However when the unlikely happens and we make it to a finals we'll all jump on board for the craic. Nothing craic about going to watch LOI matches.

I'm a Man Utd fan who has barely gone to an LOI match in the last 12-15 years. Having said that, I think you just defined bandwagon fans better than I have ever seen anyone do on boards. :pac:

Right Turn Clyde · 03-08-2015 8:24pm

If Ireland qualified for another tournament and nobody was interested, the hardcore fans would criticise everyone for not backing the national team or caring about Irish soccer. And they'd be right. However, the alternative is the bandwagon, like it or not.

Personally, I don't mind the bandwagon to a certain extent. I used to love seeing my mam buying Irish flags and painting all the kids faces out on the street. It was great craic. I don't even think she knew what sport it was. She probably thought it was the hurling World Cup. Although I suppose you can separate people like her from the hardcore bandwaggoners who suddenly reveal themselves to be experts on Ireland's tactical deficiencies. Those people are vermin.

diusmr8a504cvk · 04-08-2015 12:05am

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

If Ireland qualified for another tournament and nobody was interested, the hardcore fans would criticise everyone for not backing the national team or caring about Irish soccer. And they'd be right. However, the alternative is the bandwagon, like it or not.

Personally, I don't mind the bandwagon to a certain extent. I used to love seeing my mam buying Irish flags and painting all the kids faces out on the street. It was great craic. I don't even think she knew what sport it was. She probably thought it was the hurling World Cup. Although I suppose you can separate people like her from the hardcore bandwaggoners who suddenly reveal themselves to be experts on Ireland's tactical deficiencies. Those people are vermin.

Sure after McGregor had his fight in Dublin that was on TV3 everyone in the country then became a UFC expert overnight.

Dozen Wicked Words · 04-08-2015 12:12am

Evangeline Full Foreigner wrote: »

Sure after McGregor had his fight in Dublin that was on TV3 everyone in the country then became a UFC expert overnight.

Which reminds me of another unpopular opinion. MMA is a vicious, horrible, ugly sport that should be banned.

diusmr8a504cvk · 04-08-2015 12:16am

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Which reminds me of another unpopular opinion. MMA is a vicious, horrible, ugly sport that should be banned.

It's banned in New York actually.

Dozen Wicked Words · 04-08-2015 12:17am

Evangeline Full Foreigner wrote: »

It's banned in New York actually.

Did not know that. Only one I knew who tried to ban it was Marge Simpson!

Omackeral · 04-08-2015 12:38am

Quazzie wrote: »

So... you say we are all bandwagon jumpers and get behind Ireland for the big tournaments, and then go onto say how we complain that the standard of local soccer isn't enough but we don't complain about the Ireland team. The reason we're such bandwagon jumpers is because the Irish league and the Irish team are shít, and hard to watch. However when the unlikely happens and we make it to a finals we'll all jump on board for the craic. Nothing craic about going to watch LOI matches.

I disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRQXajXnJw

Anyone can be part of this anytime. I actually feel sorry for those who aren't, you can't get this craic, as you call it, through watching some team of millionaires on your flatscreen.

mullyboyee · 04-08-2015 12:49am

MMA is not a sport

Right Turn Clyde · 04-08-2015 7:09am

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Which reminds me of another unpopular opinion. MMA is a vicious, horrible, ugly sport that should be banned.

I attended an interview with John Baville at the Electric Picnic in 2012. The country was still buzzing over Katie Taylor's Olympic success but Banville said "Really? Is this the best we can do after thousands of years of civilisation? We know what the worst aspects of humanity are, but is boxing really us at our best? Cheering on this person because she managed to repeatedly punch this other person on the head."

racso1975 · 04-08-2015 7:48am

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

I attended an interview with John Baville at the Electric Picnic in 2012. The country was still buzzing over Katie Taylor's Olympic success but Banville said "Really? Is this the best we can do after thousands of years of civilisation? We know what the worst aspects of humanity are, but is boxing really us at our best? Cheering on this person because she managed to repeatedly punch this other person on the head."

But surely you can do that with all sports. Break it down to it's smallest part and make it look pathetic as such.

Soccer: literally kicking a leather ball one end of pitch to other

Rugby: as above but a lot more physical

Pool, golf , cycling etc the basic premise of them sound boring but there Iis a lot more involved. Same as Katie winning the gold

RichardCeann · 04-08-2015 8:10am

Evangeline Full Foreigner wrote: »

Sure after McGregor had his fight in Dublin that was on TV3 everyone in the country then became a UFC expert overnight.

There are pictures of his family, girlfriend and fans freaking out and crying when Mendes took him to the mat in his most recent fight. His dad said he was stunned watching it. It will be interesting to see the Irish reaction when Jose Aldo beats Conor. I don't think that they will take it well. He's been built up to unprecedented levels and whilst hes an amazing athlete, extremely entertaining and possesses great striking ability, he's a rung lower than Aldo.

I guess that's an unpopular opinion in some quarters. Some Irish tulips actually believe that Aldo is scared of Conor. A world champion who grew up in the favellas, who hasn't been beaten in ten years and who has made eight successful title defences. McGregor bandwagoners are some of the most deluded fans in the world.

johnnyskeleton · 04-08-2015 8:29am

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

I attended an interview with John Baville at the Electric Picnic in 2012. The country was still buzzing over Katie Taylor's Olympic success but Banville said "Really? Is this the best we can do after thousands of years of civilisation? We know what the worst aspects of humanity are, but is boxing really us at our best? Cheering on this person because she managed to repeatedly punch this other person on the head."

All he ever did was write page after page of words and sentences, all about people who do stuff and things. And thats good, is it?

Pac1Man · 04-08-2015 8:45am

I think banning things should be banned.

Freedom of choice for all parties involved where nobody else is hurt or affected. It's a slippery slope if we start to take those choices away regardless of whether or not we agree with said choice.

Pac1Man · 04-08-2015 8:46am

Double post.

wylie · 04-08-2015 8:52am

Couldn't careless about Cecil the lion.

Kev W · 04-08-2015 9:08am

wylie wrote: »

Couldn't careless about Cecil the lion.

Yes you could.

You could care little enough not to post about him.

Kev W · 04-08-2015 9:08am

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

All he ever did was write page after page of words and sentences, all about people who do stuff and things. And thats good, is it?

Yes. Better than punching people, certainly.

eternal · 04-08-2015 9:11am

Care less and careless are two different things by the way.

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