ebola

King Mob · 24-10-2014 4:13pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The mainstream media is the mouthpiece of the Whitehouse so it must be obvious that the Government wants to fear monger the masses.

But if your assertion that the mainstream media isn't the mouthpiece of the government isn't true, then your conclusion doesn't follow.

Could you explain what about the coverage is unusual or suspicious to you?

Rotunda Shill · 24-10-2014 4:21pm

King Mob wrote: »

But if your assertion that the mainstream media isn't the mouthpiece of the government isn't true, then your conclusion doesn't follow.

Could you explain what about the coverage is unusual or suspicious to you?

Its nothing but blatant fear mongering and typical of the US Government.

Why did they have to broadcast that the guy traveled across NYC on the subway, played bowling and jogged etc. They should have discretely traced the guys tracks and contacted anyone that he was in close contact with and have them monitored and quarantined.

It is sad when once such reputable news sources such as the New York Times now being reduced to fear mongering gutter journalism.

American Mainstream Media is the Devils toilet and its excrement comes directly from the Whitehouse.

King Mob · 24-10-2014 5:13pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Its nothing but blatant fear mongering and typical of the US Government.

Why did they have to broadcast that the guy traveled across NYC on the subway, played bowling and jogged etc. They should have discretely traced the guys tracks and contacted anyone that he was in close contact with and have them monitored and quarantined.

It is sad when once such reputable news sources such as the New York Times now being reduced to fear mongering gutter journalism.

American Mainstream Media is the Devils toilet and its excrement comes directly from the Whitehouse.

But how do you know that the media did this on the orders on the government and not on their own initiative to sensationalise?

Should the government step in and prevent the media from reporting things and cover them up? cause that's what you are suggesting they should do.

And again, you've not explained what's unusual or suspicious about the coverage.
Perhaps you could point to an outbreak you don't believe was a conspiracy as an example?

Rotunda Shill · 24-10-2014 10:20pm

King Mob wrote: »

But how do you know that the media did this on the orders on the government and not on their own initiative to sensationalise?

Should the government step in and prevent the media from reporting things and cover them up? cause that's what you are suggesting they should do.

And again, you've not explained what's unusual or suspicious about the coverage.
Perhaps you could point to an outbreak you don't believe was a conspiracy as an example?

It is well known now that US mainstream Media is under the control of Government censorship. They cannot write a script on a major story without Government approval.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Media_Now_Openly_Admitting_The_Government_Controls_The_News/26077/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Here is another instance of US Government lies that could cost millions of lives.

We are not being told the truth about Ebola, onlt the other day we were told that it was not air borne and difficult to catch. The CDC’s own guidelines for handling a Level 4 pathogen of which Ebola is requires the dawning of positive pressure suits and external air supplies!

http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

Healthcare workers in Texas caught Ebola wearing standard PPE. Its as if the US Government wants this disease to spread like wildfire.

King Mob · 25-10-2014 1:39am

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

It is well known now that US mainstream Media is under the control of Government censorship. They cannot write a script on a major story without Government approval.

Some people believe this, that doesn't make it true.

But you avoided my question.
What you are suggesting is that the media should cover up the virus on the behest of the government in the name of national security.
I find this very ironic.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

We are not being told the truth about Ebola, onlt the other day we were told that it was not air borne and difficult to catch. The CDC’s own guidelines for handling a Level 4 pathogen of which Ebola is requires the dawning of positive pressure suits and external air supplies!
.

So are you saying that Ebola is airborne?
If so, how did the government convince people to let themselves be infected?

And why, if they want the virus to spread, are they doing it so slowly?

And why do they want to spread the virus in the first place?

Rotunda Shill · 25-10-2014 2:43pm

King Mob wrote: »

Some people believe this, that doesn't make it true.

But you avoided my question.
What you are suggesting is that the media should cover up the virus on the behest of the government in the name of national security.
I find this very ironic.

Well the Government is certainly very sloppy with its clean up protocol on Ebola.

Either Ebola in New York City is all a fabricated hoax or else the Government wants to deliberately spread the disease.

Explain this: HazMat team empties infected Ebola doctor’s apartment WITHOUT gloves, face masks or any protective gear

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2679659/pg1

King Mob wrote: »

So are you saying that Ebola is airborne?
If so, how did the government convince people to let themselves be infected?

And why, if they want the virus to spread, are they doing it so slowly?

And why do they want to spread the virus in the first place?

I gave the instance that Ebola is a category 4 virus as laid down by the CDC Guidelines. It requires external air source and specialized PPE. You have the President of the United States going AGAINST CDC Guidelines advising everyone that you cannot catch Ebola on a Bus.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-repeats-you-can-t-get-ebola-bus-day-after-bus-quarantined-dc

King Mob · 25-10-2014 2:50pm

All of my questions are avoided again.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Well the Government is certainly very sloppy with its clean up protocol on Ebola.

Either Ebola in New York City is all a fabricated hoax or else the Government wants to deliberately spread the disease.

So what would the motives be for either?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Explain this: HazMat team empties infected Ebola doctor’s apartment WITHOUT gloves, face masks or any protective gear

You first. Why were they doing it?
How were they convinced to let themselves be infected?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

I gave the instance that Ebola is a category 4 virus as laid down by the CDC Guidelines. It requires external air source and specialized PPE. You have the President of the United States going AGAINST CDC Guidelines advising everyone that you cannot catch Ebola on a Bus.

So do you believe that it's airborne or not?

Daithi 1 · 26-10-2014 9:13am

Sorry if off topic right now but this belongs in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvGK5Df0os

http://online.wsj.com/articles/footage-from-1976-documents-discovery-of-ebola-virus-1413470954

"In 1976, a group of health workers took a pair of film cameras to what was then known as Zaire and documented their discovery of a new, deadly virus.

Today we know that virus as Ebola.

A 27-year-old Belgian microbiologist named Peter Piot and his colleagues were the first to scientifically identify the Ebola virus.

The Wall Street Journal met Dr. Piot recently and was given access to rare archival footage that chronicled the team’s trip nearly four decades ago."

Rotunda Shill · 26-10-2014 12:03pm

King Mob wrote: »

So do you believe that it's airborne or not?

Scientists have proven that Ebola is airborne in cold weather.

King Mob · 26-10-2014 12:15pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Scientists have proven that Ebola is airborne in cold weather.

So leaving aside the question of why the government are leaving this supposedly in incriminating evidence.

How does the government convince the people working to contain the virus to let themselves be infected?

And again, what is their purpose?

Rotunda Shill · 27-10-2014 2:03am

King Mob wrote: »

So leaving aside the question of why the government are leaving this supposedly in incriminating evidence.

How does the government convince the people working to contain the virus to let themselves be infected?

And again, what is their purpose?

If the US Government was to take Ebola serious they would go by by the correct protocols for a level 4 Bio hazard and tell the truth instead of spitting out lies and disinformation.

CDC Guidelines specify proper PPE and disposal methods for waste for a level 4 .

The US Government has only one thing on its agenda and that is to spread this disease, infect the masses, martial law, quarantine perhaps millions in enclosed FEMA camps and mass extermination. The caskets are ready.

People need to seek advice other than the US Government because it is corrupt and EVIL.

King Mob · 27-10-2014 2:20am

Again you've ignored questions you are unable to answer.
How does the government convince the people working to contain the virus to let themselves be infected?

The answer is they don't and they didn't.
The people dealing with the virus are experts, and if the virus was airborne like you claim, then they would know this and wouldn't let themselves be infected.
The alternative is that you, as a non expert with no training in the disease or the protocols and nowhere near any of the places that the virus is affecting, is somehow more informed than the experts.
I don't buy that.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The US Government has only one thing on its agenda and that is to spread this disease, infect the masses, martial law, quarantine perhaps millions in enclosed FEMA camps and mass extermination. The caskets are ready.

Like how that happened with Swine flu?
Or bird flu?
Or Sars?

If their goal is to spread the virus, why are they giving it media attention?
Why not just let it spread silently before people can take action?
Then when the virus has a huge foothold, then introduce their evil plan?

Rotunda Shill · 27-10-2014 4:01am

King Mob wrote: »

Again you've ignored questions you are unable to answer.
How does the government convince the people working to contain the virus to let themselves be infected?

Those infected should not have been allowed back into the USA.

Those that were foolishly let back into america were allowed run amok, that Doctor summed up the shambles of this whole Ebola Crisis. He was on his "own Quarantine" ended up riding the subway, playing bowling, riding about the city in a cab. His apartment was cleaned out by a contractor without abiding to the correct protocols.

King Mob wrote: »

The answer is they don't and they didn't.
The people dealing with the virus are experts, and if the virus was airborne like you claim, then they would know this and wouldn't let themselves be infected.

The expert in Chief has told the nation that the virus "cannot be passed on in a bus".

King Mob wrote: »

The alternative is that you, as a non expert with no training in the disease or the protocols and nowhere near any of the places that the virus is affecting, is somehow more informed than the experts.
I don't buy that.

Common sense is the expert with any deadly level 4 Bio hazard virus and will determine whether you will live or die in some purpose built US Government extermination camp.

Accept it as a level 4 Bio hazard virus and adhere to the correct scientific protocols and guidelines. Purchase the recommended PPE. Evaluate and avoid high risk areas, stock up and of protect yourself.

If you go by Barack Obama's guidelines the Government experts according to yourself you will more than likely end up dead and disposed of in one of their purpose built quarantine camps.

King Mob wrote: »

Like how that happened with Swine flu?
Or bird flu?
Or Sars?

If their goal is to spread the virus, why are they giving it media attention?
Why not just let it spread silently before people can take action?
Then when the virus has a huge foothold, then introduce their evil plan?

Ebola should it take off would be the equivalent of Swine Flu, AIDS Sars and all the other viruses combined on Steroids and is quite possible giving the nature and track record of this EVIL terrorist supporting psychopath that is running the country.

Obama has shown his true colors by arming Jihad terrorists and cheer leading the slaughter of over 500 Children in GAZA.(Satanic Child Sacrifice among Western World Leaders)

King Mob · 27-10-2014 4:56am

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Those infected should not have been allowed back into the USA.

Those that were foolishly let back into america were allowed run amok, that Doctor summed up the shambles of this whole Ebola Crisis.

Not an answer to my points.
You cannot explain why these people are allowing themselves to be infected.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Common sense is the expert with any deadly level 4 Bio hazard virus and will determine whether you will live or die in some purpose built US Government extermination camp.

Your definition of common sense is not universal.
Even still, things that might appear to be common sense to an outside obverse thousands of miles from the scene with no training or expertise might not actually be good sense.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Accept it as a level 4 Bio hazard virus and adhere to the correct scientific protocols and guidelines. Purchase the recommended PPE. Evaluate and avoid high risk areas, stock up and of protect yourself.

Again we run into the issue.
It makes no sense for them to give people warning at time to prepare.
If they wanted the virus to spread they wouldn't report it in the media until it had already taken a hold and there was nothing that could be done about it.
They wouldn't leave clues for armchair detectives/survivalists to find.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Ebola should it take off would be the equivalent of Swine Flu, AIDS Sars and all the other viruses combined on Steroids and is quite possible giving the nature and track record of this EVIL terrorist supporting psychopath that is running the country.

People said that about Swine flu as well. And every other hyped outbreak before that.
But it didn't happen.
Why should we think that this time will be any different?

Rotunda Shill · 27-10-2014 11:55am

King Mob wrote: »

Not an answer to my points.
You cannot explain why these people are allowing themselves to be infected.

Their downright carelessness, not going by the correct guidelines for a level 4 Bio-hazard infectious disease. They seem to want everyone else to be infected and this is the same Government that you trust.

King Mob wrote: »

People said that about Swine flu as well. And every other hyped outbreak before that. But it didn't happen.Why should we think that this time will be any different?

This could well be another hoax but as I have repeatedly stated that Ebola should not be taken likely. Obama being such an evil psychopath is well capable of unleashing bio warfare across the country that he is suppose to represent and protect.

He may well fear monger the nation into taking toxic vaccines or create lies to enact NDAA and introduce Martial Law with Fema Camps.

Ebola hoax created to justify imposing martial law in US: Prof. Fetzer

King Mob · 27-10-2014 2:27pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

Their downright carelessness, not going by the correct guidelines for a level 4 Bio-hazard infectious disease. They seem to want everyone else to be infected and this is the same Government that you trust.

But why are they being careless?
If you are able to tell that they are not handling the virus correct even though you've no training or education in the field and aren't at the site, then trained experts there know well what's going on.

They would have to be deliberately infecting themselves.
This does not make sense.
If they wanted to spread the virus, then they would just take samples and use those to infect other people.

The only reason they seem to have to infect themselves and so flagrantly disregard safety measures is to give armchair detectives clues that there's a secret plot.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

This could well be another hoax but as I have repeatedly stated that Ebola should not be taken likely. Obama being such an evil psychopath is well capable of unleashing bio warfare across the country that he is suppose to represent and protect.

He may well fear monger the nation into taking toxic vaccines or create lies to enact NDAA and introduce Martial Law with Fema Camps.

Yup, people claimed that before as well.

So why is ebola different this time?

Why didn't they do all of this stuff the last time?

gozunda · 28-10-2014 9:35am

CT #51

The China Strain?

http://www.rense.com/general67/ebola.htm

Then

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/33012186-539a-11e4-929b-00144feab7de.html#axzz3HQUy3yY7

But

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-16/africa-s-ebola-should-be-china-s-problem

Lebensraum?

Beano · 28-10-2014 12:21pm

gozunda wrote: »

CT #51

The China Strain?

http://www.rense.com/general67/ebola.htm

Then

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/33012186-539a-11e4-929b-00144feab7de.html#axzz3HQUy3yY7

But

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-16/africa-s-ebola-should-be-china-s-problem

Lebensraum?

The date on that first article is 7-31-5. I could be wrong but that looks like July 31st 2005. Which would be right around the time of the H5N1 scare. How is that article relevant to what is happening today?

gozunda · 28-10-2014 3:44pm

Beano wrote: »

The date on that first article is 7-31-5. I could be wrong but that looks like July 31st 2005. Which would be right around the time of the H5N1 scare. How is that article relevant to what is happening today?

Well let's see. Some linkage. The article relates to the emergence of an Ebola virus that is more virulent than previous strains. The article relates this to chinese involvement. In the last 2 decades economic activity in west Africa has grown exponentially with land acquisition and mineral rights attracting serious interest. China currently also has the largest population on the planet. If you want a CT scenario then I suppose you could look to the idea of an engineered opportunity for further economic expansion. The slightly odd thing that does stand out at present is the fact that there appears to have been no reported infections amongst either the the large Chinese population in west Africa or amongst chinese medical teams on the ground. This is in contrast to other counties such as the UK and the US....

Beano · 28-10-2014 4:15pm

gozunda wrote: »

Well let's see. Some linkage. The article relates to the emergence of an Ebola virus that is more virulent than previous strains. The article relates this to chinese involvement. In the last 2 decades economic activity in west Africa has grown exponentially with land acquisition and mineral rights attracting serious interest. China currently also has the largest population on the planet. If you want a CT scenario then I suppose you could look to the idea of an engineered opportunity for further economic expansion. The slightly odd thing that does stand out at present is the fact that there appears to have been no reported infections amongst either the the large Chinese population in west Africa or amongst chinese medical teams on the ground. This is in contrast to other counties such as the UK and the US....

This still doesnt explain what the relevance of the first article is, except for asking a question about ebola that it cant answer.

Are there any chinese medical teams on the ground?

gozunda · 28-10-2014 6:42pm

Beano wrote: »

This still doesnt explain what the relevance of the first article is, except for asking a question about ebola that it cant answer.

Are there any chinese medical teams on the ground?

Your posted question was

How is that article relevant to what is happening today?

Btw I am not standing over the veracity of the first link. However I still don't understand what you mean by stating "what the relevance of the first article is, except for asking a question about ebola that it cant answer." ?

Did you read the rest / the whole article?

Here's an excerpt from that link ...

"There are 2 reasons for doing so. First, to reduce panic among the people should it ever leak. And second, the Ebola virus has evolved in China. Re-combination has been detected. Most prominently at the portion which determines its effect on humans (very technical description, I can't describe it. sorry.). Also, abrupt breaks in the sequencing were detected, leading to changes in the incubation period. (Or possibly "changes in the incubation period were detected")

I: "How were these viruses classified then? / Could you elaborate more about the various strains?"

"Previously, strains of Ebola in China always had the EBO prefix. Subsequently following information leaks, the classification method was changed. We stopped using the EBO prefix. Instead, coupled with the discovery that the virus had become more virulent and lethal, we re-named the strains according to the placed where they were first discovered. For example, the strain in June became the SZ77++A3231. Sometimes, we don't even use their place of discovery, instead directly naming it the ++A3231."

The link appears to place a mutation of the Ebola virus in time and place with China. In the last couple of decades the development of Chinese interests in West Africa are vast. Finally there appears to have been no infection to date amongst the large chinese population in west Africa. After that if is supposition like all good CT's.

Some of the other links relate to China's response to the current Ebola outbreak. I suggest you answer your own question with a simple google search. As I said the links relate to an alternative CT. Up to now the CTs discussed have largely concentrated on the US. But as with any CT it is important to ask - who has the most to gain?

Beano · 28-10-2014 8:06pm

gozunda wrote: »

Your posted question was

Btw I am not standing over the veracity of the first link. However I still don't understand what you mean by stating "what the relevance of the first article is, except for asking a question about ebola that it cant answer." ?

Did you read the rest / the whole article?

Here's an excerpt from that link ...

The link appears to place a mutation of the Ebola virus in time and place with China. In the last couple of decades the development of Chinese interests in West Africa are vast. Finally there appears to have been no infection to date amongst the large chinese population in west Africa. After that if is supposition like all good CT's.

Some of the other links relate to China's response to the current Ebola outbreak. I suggest you answer your own question with a simple google search. As I said the links relate to an alternative CT. Up to now the CTs discussed have largely concentrated on the US. But as with any CT it is important to ask - who has the most to gain?

so you post 3 links and then expect people to make their own inferences and when questioned tell me to google it? what an astounding rhetorical device.

gozunda · 28-10-2014 9:15pm

Beano wrote: »

so you post 3 links and then expect people to make their own inferences and when questioned tell me to google it? what an astounding rhetorical device.

Ahh spoiling for a spat eh

. Do get real - this is the CT forum. Get it -Conspiracy Theories Forum. For certain it's not PhD thesis Forum. Make whatever assumptions you wish. As requested by you I pointed out the relevance of the article you hadn't read. If you don't the get the detail just move on ok.

Btw What actually was your question? You asked a question about medical teams -

. Are there any chinese medical teams on the ground?

- I replied because I'm sure I don't have to hold your hand and to look things up for you do I? Tbh Your goal posts appear to be moving in each post and I really don't think you have read a single link provided. Do you at least know what Lebensraum means?

Now do you have a CT that may be of interest?

degrassinoel · 28-10-2014 11:58pm

Lads..

\Mod hat on

First things last..

Read the charter please.

If you feel you're being incessantly badgered to answer the same question, report the post. If it turns out that you're being treated in any way unfairly or in a way that breaches the charter above, it will be dealt with.

Ahh spoiling for a spat eh . Do get real - this is the CT forum. Get it -Conspiracy Theories Forum. For certain it's not PhD thesis Forum. Make whatever assumptions you wish. As requested by you I pointed out the relevance of the article you hadn't read. If you don't the get the detail just move on ok.

what an astounding rhetorical device.

This type of posting from you both or anyone that uses this forum will be acted on accordingly by myself or Penn. Consider this post a friendly warning.

/Mod hat off

Back to the topic.

jh79 · 29-10-2014 11:19am

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/second-opinion-ebola-paranoia-is-more-dangerous-than-the-disease-1.1972732

From today's Irish Times about the hysterical response to Ebola.

Rotunda Shill · 29-10-2014 12:57pm

This is frightening information taken directly from the US Governments very own guidelines. Ebola is a BSL-4 Virus.

I recommend everyone to read through this and take the exam at the end of it. It will shock you.

Go to this link and click on TAB 10 to read the description of what a biohazard saftey level 4 lab is defined as. Link to CDC website: -

http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

Or just read this:

"BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses."

Two take away points:
1 - aerosol-transmitted infections
2 - Ebola and Marburg viruses.

So Ebola is spread through the air. The CDC talking heads and all mainstream newscasters are not disclosing the truth.

New York city has now been infected by deliberate sloppy management.

# Ticking Time Bomb - cold weather approaching - credits to GLP

Hoop66 · 29-10-2014 1:31pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

# Ticking Time Bomb - cold weather approaching - credits to GLP

Ah, godlike productions, the site that makes the Boards CT forum look sane and rational...

And who have now pre-banned everyone who's not a member it would seem?

King Mob · 29-10-2014 1:50pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

New York city has now been infected by deliberate sloppy management.

So what happens when nothing happens in New York?

When should we see the effects of this infection?

jh79 · 29-10-2014 1:52pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

So Ebola is spread through the air. The CDC talking heads and all mainstream newscasters are not disclosing the truth.

Yes they are, Ebola is spread though droplets but is not airborne.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

Hoop66 · 29-10-2014 1:53pm

jh79 wrote: »

Yes they are, Ebola is spread though droplets but is not airborne.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

You don't understand. If anything put out by the mainstream can be misinterpreted, wilfully or otherwise, it will be. And we will all die.

Thanks Obama.

degrassinoel · 29-10-2014 2:10pm

Hoop66 wrote: »

Ah, godlike productions, the site that makes the Boards CT forum look sane and rational...

And who have now pre-banned everyone who's not a member it would seem?

Yeah i noticed that a few months back, when i mailed them to ask about it they sent a brief message back saying they were upholding my ban.. lol

Odd thing is, i never posted there even once, just lurked

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 5:44am

King Mob wrote: »

The alternative is that you, as a non expert with no training in the disease or the protocols and nowhere near any of the places that the virus is affecting, is somehow more informed than the experts.I don't buy that.

I am HIV+ and have quite a substantial knowledge on this subject. I get my bloods checked in James Hospital every three months and would attend various talks on the subject with the medical profession. What I have is a BSL-2 level Virus in that it is extremely difficult to spread compared to Ebola which can become air borne in cold weather.

I am all too familiar with viral loads, CD4 count, T Cells, antiviral medication etc. I have also read up quite a lot on Ebola from official CDC medical documents and I tell you one thing the Mainstream Media and the US Government are taking the piss.

To put it into prospective. Here is a map of the United States displaying all the laboratories that can contain a level 3 to level 4 virus. There is only FOUR laboratories in the whole of the United States that are capable of handling Ebola. I have circled them compare this to the rest.

King Mob wrote: »

So what happens when nothing happens in New York?

When should we see the effects of this infection?

I am all too familiar with bumping into junkies and scum bags on the red line Luas on my way to James Hospital. I would put more trust in these guys than I would put in the US Government and for this reason I would prefer to expect the unexpected.

Hoop66 wrote: »

Ah, godlike productions, the site that makes the Boards CT forum look sane and rational...

And who have now pre-banned everyone who's not a member it would seem?

GLP bans serve a purpose, it eliminates site trolls and riff raff.

There are ways and means around site bans.

King Mob · 30-10-2014 8:16am

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

I am HIV+ and have quite a substantial knowledge on this subject. I get my bloods checked in James Hospital every three months and would attend various talks on the subject with the medical profession. What I have is a BSL-2 level Virus in that it is extremely difficult to spread compared to Ebola which can become

That does not give you expertise in ebola or infectious diseases.
If true, it may make you more informed than some people, but it does not make you more informed than the experts on the ground.

So excluding the possibility that you might misinterpret technical guide lines based on stuff fed to you from places like GLP, we must conclude that the experts on the ground know that they are risking infection.

So why do you think they are allowing this to happen to themselves?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

I am all too familiar with bumping into junkies and scum bags on the red line Luas on my way to James Hospital. I would put more trust in these guys than I would put in the US Government and for this reason I would prefer to expect the unexpected.

Doesn't answer my question.
There have been many predictions about viruses leading to a great many things.
People like yourself claimed that swine flu would lead to martial law and depopulation. It didn't.
They claimed the same thing about bird flu and SARS.

You have made it clear that you don't like or trust the US government. But why should any one trust your prediction when it is no different to the predictions that came before and failed?

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 10:11am

King Mob wrote: »

That does not give you expertise in ebola or infectious diseases.

I am certainly not qualified in the field of the medical profession to lecture on Ebola or HIV for that matter however I can read and understand the basic English in these official US government CDC guidelines.

HIV

http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/

Ebola

http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

I also understand the terms "contradiction" "being Lied to" "taking the p*ss".

US President: "Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu".
US President: "You cannot get it from casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus"

Official CDC Guidelines on a BSL-2 level Virus (tab 10)
"BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses."

King Mob wrote: »

Doesn't answer my question.
There have been many predictions about viruses leading to a great many things.
People like yourself claimed that swine flu would lead to martial law and depopulation. It didn't.
They claimed the same thing about bird flu and SARS.

The difference in this case is that it is in your face now and the US Government is now openly discussing quarantine centers AKA FEMA camps. The subject of FEMA coffins goes back almost six years in this forum. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then between the various emergency powers that have been drafted in such as Emergency Support Function (ESF) #8: which were basically unheard of five years ago.

The writing is on the wall. US Hospitals rejecting Ebola patients.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/30/cdc-warns-funeral-homes-u-s-prepare-ebola-victims/

I doubt very much that the millions of FEMA coffins that are currently located at these camps are there for the purpose of those that die of old age. Mind you Barack Obama would tell you this.

jh79 · 30-10-2014 10:30am

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

US President: "Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu".
US President: "You cannot get it from casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus"
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You provided the link that supports this statement:

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

jh79 · 30-10-2014 10:38am

I don't think being an airborne virus is a prerequisite for BSL-4, the lack of a vaccine and the poor prognosis for those infected probably is sufficient.

King Mob · 30-10-2014 10:56am

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

I am certainly not qualified in the field of the medical profession to lecture on Ebola or HIV for that matter however I can read and understand the basic English in these official US government CDC guidelines.

So please point out the specific requirements of what makes BSL-4 and that only airborne viruses are classed as this?

And again you have dodged a question because you are unable to answer it.
You cannot explain why the experts would knowingly allow themselves to be infected.

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The difference in this case is that it is in your face now and the US Government is now openly discussing quarantine centers AKA FEMA camps.

So what makes this case more "in your face" than swine flu or bird flu were?

Why did the folks who were predicting then what you are predicting now go wrong?
Were they tricked? Were they just jumping the gun?

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The subject of FEMA coffins goes back almost six years in this forum. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then between the various emergency powers that have been drafted in such as ] which were basically unheard of five years ago.

Yup, the FEMA "coffins" were for a ton of things before as well. I'm sure this is the time alright...

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 11:24am

jh79 wrote: »

I don't think being an airborne virus is a prerequisite for BSL-4, the lack of a vaccine and the poor prognosis for those infected probably is sufficient.

You will probably notice quite a lot of contradictions within CDC guidelines on Ebola particularly from the earlier documents.

Speaking of Vaccines.

Big Pharma seeks legal immunity for damages from experimental Ebola vaccines

This is quite interesting and has all the links to back up its statements.

THE CDC & THE UN ARE FORCED TO ADMIT THAT EBOLA IS AIRBORNE.

jh79 · 30-10-2014 12:05pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

You will probably notice quite a lot of contradictions within CDC guidelines on Ebola particularly from the earlier documents.

Can't see any contradictions. Ebola has consistently been described as outlined in the link you provided.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 12:21pm

jh79 wrote: »

Can't see any contradictions. Ebola has consistently been described as outlined in the link you provided.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/inf...r-droplets.pdf

"The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines" Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.

Page 10 http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

jh79 · 30-10-2014 12:34pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

"The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines" Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.

Page 10 http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

Airborne spread happens when a germ floats through the air after a
person talks, coughs, or sneezes. Germs may land in the eyes, mouth, or
nose of another person.
If a germ is airborne, direct contact with the infected person is NOT
needed for someone else to get sick. Airborne spread diseases include:
chickenpox, tuberculosis.

Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are
coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose, or mouth of
another person. Droplets travel short distances, less than 3 feet (1 meter)
from one person to another.
A person might also get infected by touching a surface or object that has
germs on it and then touching their mouth or nose.
Droplet spread diseases include: plague, Ebola.

Direct contact is needed with Ebola therefore it is not airborne.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 1:30pm

EBOLA GOES AIRBORNE IN COLD WEATHER – US Gov has known since 1995...

QUOTE:

After successfully exposing monkeys to airborne Ebola, which “caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days,” scientists with the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) concluded Ebola can spread through air but likely hasn’t in Equatorial Africa because the region is too warm, with temperatures rarely dropping below 65°F.

“We… demonstrated aerosol transmission of Ebola virus at lower temperature and humidity than that normally present in sub-Saharan Africa,” the 1995 study entitled Lethal Experimental Infections of Rhesus Monkeys by Aerosolized Ebola Virus reported. “Ebola virus sensitivity to the high temperatures and humidity in the thatched, mud, and wattle huts shared by infected family members in southern Sudan and northern Zaire may have been a factor limiting aerosol transmission of Ebola virus in the African epidemics.”

“Both elevated temperature and relative humidity have been shown to reduce the aerosol stability of viruses.”

http://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/4/10/2115/pdf

jh79 · 30-10-2014 2:27pm

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

EBOLA GOES AIRBORNE IN COLD WEATHER – US Gov has known since 1995...

QUOTE:

After successfully exposing monkeys to airborne Ebola, which “caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days,” scientists with the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) concluded Ebola can spread through air but likely hasn’t in Equatorial Africa because the region is too warm, with temperatures rarely dropping below 65°F.

“We… demonstrated aerosol transmission of Ebola virus at lower temperature and humidity than that normally present in sub-Saharan Africa,” the 1995 study entitled Lethal Experimental Infections of Rhesus Monkeys by Aerosolized Ebola Virus reported. “Ebola virus sensitivity to the high temperatures and humidity in the thatched, mud, and wattle huts shared by infected family members in southern Sudan and northern Zaire may have been a factor limiting aerosol transmission of Ebola virus in the African epidemics.”

“Both elevated temperature and relative humidity have been shown to reduce the aerosol stability of viruses.”

http://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/4/10/2115/pdf

An aerosol is the same as a droplet. Without bodily fluids as a carrier it cannot spread through the air. Nothing you have posted contradicts this.

degrassinoel · 30-10-2014 6:49pm

Practical joke goes awry for 3 Italian nationals on Aer Lingus plane today.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-arrests-after-passenger-dublin-4536052

i know, it's a terrible source, and it's a rotten thing to do midflight too, but they were apparently cleared to be arrested and brought to ballymun garda station without blood tests.

Tbh, just for a joke like that, they should have been quarantined for 3 weeks as a punishment anyway.

Bet they were shocked when they got arrested for it.. gits

Rotunda Shill · 30-10-2014 7:59pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

Practical joke goes awry for 3 Italian nationals on Aer Lingus plane today.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-arrests-after-passenger-dublin-4536052

i know, it's a terrible source, and it's a rotten thing to do midflight too, but they were apparently cleared to be arrested and brought to ballymun garda station without blood tests.

Tbh, just for a joke like that, they should have been quarantined for 3 weeks as a punishment anyway.

Bet they were shocked when they got arrested for it.. gits

A guy did the same in America and had a whole hazmat team waiting for him when the plane touched down. Three weeks in solitary isolation would be good enough.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/hazmat-crew-boards-plane-after-passenger-claims-to-have-ebola/29040118

jh79 · 31-10-2014 3:35pm

Just noticed your username is an anagram of Run to da Hills!

Rotunda Shill · 31-10-2014 3:52pm

jh79 wrote: »

Just noticed your username is an anagram of Run to da Hills!

I never heard of him

degrassinoel · 31-10-2014 4:00pm

jh79 wrote: »

Just noticed your username is an anagram of Run to da Hills!

Everyone has noticed that tbh, but stay on topic please.

MrHogan35 · 31-10-2014 11:10pm

made in a Lab Google Russia Ebola Lab.

Rotunda Shill · 31-10-2014 11:59pm

Black Death / Bubonic Plague took off across Europe 666 years ago.

1981 AIDS outbreak is 33 years ago.

Dr Kent Brantly, 33, and Nancy Writebol, 60, became sick with Ebola in Monrovia last month

Ebola epidemic could cost Africa $33 billion, says World Bank

The 33 year old freelance cameraman Ashoka Mukpo who contracted Ebola while working with NBC in Liberia is now disease free

The doctor, identified as Craig Spencer, 33, came back from treating Ebola patients in Guinea October 17

In the study from Uganda, doctors tested 33 surfaces inside an Ebola treatment center

there have been 33 outbreaks of Ebola in the last several decades, according to the Centers for Disease Control

Over 2m Sierra Leoneans, 33% of country, can't move over Ebola as global race to halt virus spread heats up. “

Jenkins said health officials are facing a complex process of working with the community where the patient was staying with a family, an area of town where 33 different languages are spoken and is home to 25,000 people.

President Obama pledged $33 billion dollars in aid to Africa during a business forum which took place Tuesday.

Ebola virus causes severe viral hemorrhagic fever with a high .... 33 days from vaginal swabs

Over 2m Sierra Leoneans, 33% of country, can't move over Ebola as global race to halt virus spread heats up.

United Nations system in Liberia today said up to USD 33 million were needed to support Liberia’s national response to the Ebola disease.

United Nations logo has 33 quadrants, 8x4=32 quadrants + northpole=33

From CDC:Ebola is transmissible for 33 days on vaginal swabs

33 Ebola patients get discharged

"33 outbreaks of ebola over the decades"

"The Doctors" Season 7 episode 33: Ebola Vaccine in Sight

33 Ebola patients get discharged

US government Ebola facts download pdf is 33k.pdf

Thirty-three (33) Survivors from Hastings Ebola Treatment Center

Cuyahoga County's Ebola response subject of Ed FitzGerald's 3:30 p.m. press conference

Ebola Death Toll Surpasses 330 in West Africa

WHO: Ebola death toll passes 3,300

From the UN ebola page:3.3 million items of high quality personal protective equipment.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt4121680/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep33

Over 2m Sierra Leoneans, 33% of country, can't move over Ebola as global race to halt virus spread heats up

3.3 million items of high quality personal protective equipment;

Ebola could cost West Africa $33 billion

Oct 1, 2014 - Ebola isn't contagious until symptoms appear, and then it can ... a part of town where 33 different languages are spoken, and that they would go

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