Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] Poll Reset

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:07pm

donalg1 wrote: »

What are you talking about % figures.

You and Phil Hogan have alot in common then.......(think about it).;):D

gerryo777 · 03-07-2012 8:13pm

hondasam wrote: »

You love paying taxes, why don't you give all your wages to the government?
We have to have some luxuries out of our pay or what's left of it.

Now Sam, you know these guys want you destitute.

Keep €20 a week for yourself and give the rest to big phil.
Don't go out, don't buy anything other than essentials.

Definitely don't spend your money in pubs or restaurants or anywhere in the local economy that might keep someone in employment.

Tax tax and more tax is all these guys want, screw the domestic economy!

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:13pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Jesus imagine that. People have lives and enjoy things !!! How dare they enjoy themselves. The necks of them. Next they will be going to the cinema.

Phil Hogan needs to listen to the directors of both FLAC and MABS have to say on RTE and TV3 regarding the situation over peoples money problems and budgeting.

He might learn a thing or 2 from those 2 people,before opening is gob and sprouting out all types of tripe.:rolleyes:

03-07-2012 8:16pm

donalg1 wrote: »

No but a lot of people that claim to be broke do so while playing with their iPhone puffing away on twenty a day and going out on the beer two nights a week. I put paying my taxes ahead of a few beers at the weekend and ahead of a nice new phone but others choose to do the opposite

Well, I'm not one of them!

I put feeding the family and keeping the house bills paid first.

tayto lover · 03-07-2012 8:17pm

The Govt could save money on simply cutting needless expenses such as -

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/government-wastes-1m-on-translations-into-irish-1990149.html

and implementing new ideas such as -

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0119/1224310448085.html

Targeting people's homes for taxes will get them nothing but trouble.

hondasam · 03-07-2012 8:23pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Now Sam, you know these guys want you destitute.

Keep €20 a week for yourself and give the rest to big phil.
Don't go out, don't buy anything other than essentials.

Definitely don't spend your money in pubs or restaurants or anywhere in the local economy that might keep someone in employment.

Tax tax and more tax is all these guys want, screw the domestic economy!

gerry I have grown accustomed to a certain lifestyle, hair app, tan, nails etc I have no money left for an unfair unnecessary tax.

Big Phil will have to whistle a little while longer.

dvpower · 03-07-2012 8:27pm

tayto lover wrote: »

The Govt could save money on simply cutting needless expenses such as -

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/government-wastes-1m-on-translations-into-irish-1990149.html

and implementing new ideas such as -

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0119/1224310448085.html

Targeting people's homes for taxes will get them nothing but trouble.

Stop tranlating official documents into Irish and make the unemployed work for their dole.

Interesting ideas alright. I wonder what the anti HHC leadership and the opposition parties make of them

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:28pm

hondasam wrote: »

gerry I have grown accustomed to a certain lifestyle, hair app, tan, nails etc I have no money left for an unfair unnecessary tax.

Big Phil will have to whistle a little while longer.

I know how you feel...I had to recently give up my weekly bikini zone waxing appointment.........

No more back,sack and crack for me.

Havent I sacrificed enough for you Big Phil?????:D

Ghandee · 03-07-2012 8:28pm

donalg1 wrote: »

No but a lot of people that claim to be broke do so while playing with their iPhone puffing away on twenty a day and going out on the beer two nights a week. I put paying my taxes ahead of a few beers at the weekend and ahead of a nice new phone but others choose to do the opposite

Lol, it sounds like you want Mr or Mrs Joe Soap to go to work all week for the sole purpose of paying taxes.

If a working man or woman can't have any luxuries after a hard weeks graft, where is the incentive to work

Quit digging Donal.

donalg1 · 03-07-2012 8:31pm

hondasam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

No but a lot of people that claim to be broke do so while playing with their iPhone puffing away on twenty a day and going out on the beer two nights a week. I put paying my taxes ahead of a few beers at the weekend and ahead of a nice new phone but others choose to do the opposite

You love paying taxes, why don't you give all your wages to the government?
We have to have some luxuries out of our pay or what's left of it.

How do you know what I do or don't love would be interested to hear or are u just talking ****e

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:32pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Lol, it sounds like you want Mr or Mrs Joe Soap to go to work all week for the sole purpose of paying taxes.

If a working man our woman can't have any luxuries after a hard weeks graft, where its the incentive to work

You are paying for next years pi55 up in Brazil.;)

Or maybe send them off to Somalia.........I hear the natives along the beaches over there are a lovely folk indeed.:D

hondasam · 03-07-2012 8:35pm

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you know what I do or don't love would be interested to hear or are u just talking ****e

You are the expert on the ****e talk donal. No need to be getting pissy with me.

darkhorse · 03-07-2012 8:36pm

Just put a cap on expenses for people that are well paid anyway and stop paying bonus's to workers on top of the wages. Its not rocket science.:mad:

Ghandee · 03-07-2012 8:36pm

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you know what I do or don't love would be interested to hear or are u just talking ****e

Tbh, your posts are starting to read like a man who paid up out of fear, but now regrets it, and now increasingly tries to convince himself he's did the right thing.

I'm close, ain't I?:cool:

tayto lover · 03-07-2012 8:36pm

paddy147 wrote: »

You are paying for next years pi55 up in Brazil.;)

Or maybe send them off to Somalia.........I hear the natives along the beaches over there are a lovely folk indeed.:D

I read somewhere that you can feed a family of five for 12 euro a week in Somalia. If there are many more taxes and cuts here then i'm sending mine out there.

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:38pm

So who do we all listen to and believe on the TV with regards money matters.

FLAC and MABS

Or

Phil Hogan

FLAC and MABS for me

hondasam · 03-07-2012 8:42pm

Ghandee wrote: »

I'm close, ain't I?:cool:

Close enough to reach out and hug him.

donalg1 · 03-07-2012 8:44pm

Ghandee wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

No but a lot of people that claim to be broke do so while playing with their iPhone puffing away on twenty a day and going out on the beer two nights a week. I put paying my taxes ahead of a few beers at the weekend and ahead of a nice new phone but others choose to do the opposite

Lol, it sounds like you want Mr or Mrs Joe Soap to go to work all week for the sole purpose of paying taxes.

If a working man or woman can't have any luxuries after a hard weeks graft, where is the incentive to work

Quit digging Donal.

Are you kidding this is Ireland people are better off on social welfare

donalg1 · 03-07-2012 8:45pm

hondasam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you know what I do or don't love would be interested to hear or are u just talking ****e

You are the expert on the ****e talk donal. No need to be getting pissy with me.

Well stop making stuff up about me then Sam ok

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 8:45pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Tbh, your posts are starting to read like a man who paid up out of fear, but now regrets it, and now increasingly tries to convince himself he's did the right thing.

I'm close, ain't I?:cool:

Thats exactly what a few TV pundits said on TV3 recently to a lady who rang in and mocked anyone who hadnt paid yet.

She admitted that she had paid on the last day out of fear,and the pundits more or less had a field day with her,with regards her trying to mock the people who hadnt and wouldnt pay.

Morals???:D

03-07-2012 8:48pm

dvpower wrote: »

Stop tranlating official documents into Irish and make the unemployed work for their dole.

Nach bhfuil a fháil ach daoine dífhostaithe a dhéanamh ar an aistriú, a mharú dhá éan le ceann amháin cloiche.

Why not just get the unemployed to do the translating, kill two birds with one stone.

:pac:

hondasam · 03-07-2012 8:51pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Well stop making stuff up about me then Sam ok

Come here and I give you a cuddle donal, it will be all right, you paid and I will eventually just not yet.

bgrizzley · 03-07-2012 8:55pm

hondasam wrote: »

Come here and I give you a cuddle donal, it will be all right, you paid and I will eventually just not yet.

Dont do it HondaSam! Use the Force!!!!
(paying i mean, hug Donal all you want:D)

Bruthal · 03-07-2012 8:56pm

hondasam wrote: »

You are the expert on the ****e talk donal. No need to be getting pissy with me.

Careful now, you will be on his ignore list next,

I think thats why he thought the thread went all quiet for a while, he had everyone on ignore.

donalg1 · 03-07-2012 8:57pm

Ghandee wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you know what I do or don't love would be interested to hear or are u just talking ****e

Tbh, your posts are starting to read like a man who paid up out of fear, but now regrets it, and now increasingly tries to convince himself he's did the right thing.

I'm close, ain't I?:cool:

Way off sorry. I don't regret paying it and I know I did the right thing because I knew I had to pay it so would only have ended paying more than was necessary which would've been the wrong thing to do

Am Chile · 03-07-2012 8:58pm

A Donegal woman rang the Guards to report that her home had been broken into. The only problem was the Gardaí did not have any patrol vehicles to respond to the call. The woman had to go to the Garda station and collect a Garda and then return home with the Garda so he could investigate the incident.

With services like this the people of Donegal are dead right not to pay the household tax.

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/07/03/garda-with-no-patrol-car-td-to-raise-donegal-cuts-with-minister/

the groutch · 03-07-2012 9:09pm

Am Chile wrote: »

A Donegal woman rang the Guards to report that her home had been broken into. The only problem was the Gardaí did not have any patrol vehicles to respond to the call. The woman had to go to the Garda station and collect a Garda and then return home with the Garda so he could investigate the incident.

With services like this the people of Donegal are dead right not to pay the household tax.

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/07/03/garda-with-no-patrol-car-td-to-raise-donegal-cuts-with-minister/

you forgot about the fact that now you'll have to pay an extra €500 for the fire brigade to stop your house burning down, even though we were already paying it in our taxes, and now as part of the "services" provided by the household charge.

gerryo777 · 03-07-2012 9:14pm

paddy147 wrote: »

You are paying for next years pi55 up in Brazil.;)

Or maybe send them off to Somalia.........I hear the natives along the beaches over there are a lovely folk indeed.:D

Send them to Nigeria, phil might bump into bertie and bertie can give him a few more pointers on how to screw a country.

gerryo777 · 03-07-2012 9:19pm

Am Chile wrote: »

A Donegal woman rang the Guards to report that her home had been broken into. The only problem was the Gardaí did not have any patrol vehicles to respond to the call. The woman had to go to the Garda station and collect a Garda and then return home with the Garda so he could investigate the incident.

With services like this the people of Donegal are dead right not to pay the household tax.

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/07/03/garda-with-no-patrol-car-td-to-raise-donegal-cuts-with-minister/

Only in Ireland!

tayto lover · 03-07-2012 9:23pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Way off sorry. I don't regret paying it and I know I did the right thing because I knew I had to pay it so would only have ended paying more than was necessary which would've been the wrong thing to do

Did the other half nag you into it ?
"Donal go into town and pay that charge today, I don't want the Sheriff calling out here and giving out to us in front of the kids, hurry on now. You must have the money in that savings jar you keep under the bed. AND don't be looking at those new phones in the Meteor window, your not getting one"

Chips Lovell · 03-07-2012 9:24pm

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

tayto lover · 03-07-2012 9:27pm

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

I think his point was that no matter what taxes and charges we pay the money is not going into services anyway. The bondholders are getting it. BUT you knew that anyway, didn't you ?

Am Chile · 03-07-2012 9:32pm

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

We keep hearing big phil say the household charge is for local services, one would think the local garda station, the local guards there to help people if needed would be a part of local services.

gerryo777 · 03-07-2012 9:32pm

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

The point being made, as you well know, is that all these extra taxes and charges are just resulting in services being slashed.

The money is being used to pay off unsecured bondholders as we seen this week.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=unsecured%20bondholders%20paid%20in%20june&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CFAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stephendonnelly.ie%2Ffeatured%2Farticle-paying-e1-1bn-to-bondholders-is-con-job%2F&ei=QFbzT7SoM9GYhQfZt7GLDw&usg=AFQjCNHOoK4lJLguRZsPv57Yt6FpQh50zw

It's all a con job and some people like being conned.

donalg1 · 03-07-2012 9:35pm

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Way off sorry. I don't regret paying it and I know I did the right thing because I knew I had to pay it so would only have ended paying more than was necessary which would've been the wrong thing to do

Did the other half nag you into it ?
"Donal go into town and pay that charge today, I don't want the Sheriff calling out here and giving out to us in front of the kids, hurry on now. You must have the money in that savings jar you keep under the bed. AND don't be looking at those new phones in the Meteor window, your not getting one"

Ha meteor good one

hondasam · 03-07-2012 9:35pm

Am Chile wrote: »

We keep hearing big phil say the household charge is for local services, one would think the local garda station, the local guards there to help people if needed would be a part of local services.

That is a bit silly now in fairness, garda stations have nothing to do with local services. That is what the garda budget is for.

paddy147 · 03-07-2012 9:37pm

Would any FG/Labour people like to explain how this is good use of money????

So this is also where the household charge/tax is going.......................

10,000 silk ties???

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0703/government-tenders-for-10-000-silk-ties.html

flutered · 03-07-2012 9:41pm

donal and dv, its simple, most of the popualtion are like the department of finance up the a point, the department owes a rather large moxey, what do they do, naturely the apply for a loan which they promise to repay, they recieve it, how do they intend to repay it, they charge people taxes, QED, now the people are like the department they owe a small moxey, how do they repay it, they apply for a loan, which they promise to repay, how do they repay it, they dont as the money lender showes them the middle finger and tell them to swivel, then the department tell the public that they have invented more taxes to pay off more loans, which they must pay, so the public can only do one thing, what is that i hear you asking, the answer that they recieved when they asked for the loan.

03-07-2012 9:45pm

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

I think that some people are getting it mixed up with the UK's council tax, all this tax is for is paying (some of) the interest on the bankers bail out!:mad:

Hijpo · 04-07-2012 12:31am

dolanbaker wrote: »

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The Garda budget comes from Local Authorities now?

I think that some people are getting it mixed up with the UK's council tax, all this tax is for is paying (some of) the interest on the bankers bail out!:mad:

If i have to cancle my house phone they have to cancle there phone expenses, if i have to cancle my sky they shouldnt e able to get silk fuggin ties!

Just as im expected to stop having a normal life to pay extra tax, they should be equaly responsible to stop livng such lavish life styles to lighten the load. Fair is fair

I really dont know how anybody with any kind of cop on can so easily hand over money for extra taxes knowing that such wastes of money are still in practice, the "country" has no surplus money, its in debt yet the people telling us we need your money to get it out of trouble, spend money as if the tiger is roaring strong.

bgrizzley · 04-07-2012 1:47am

i give in, i'm paying it in the morning, sure its only the price of a couple of silk ties and a scarf..........

http://rlv.zcache.com/ick_in_prick_tie-p151847591034011912z70e0_152.jpg

Night all.

desodon · 04-07-2012 9:17am

donalg1 wrote: »

Don't tell me you are as naive as the rest of those that think some people couldn't afford it. Surely not another one.

One has to suspect, you're takin da p*ss.

donalg1 · 04-07-2012 9:20am

desodon wrote: »

One has to suspect, you're takin da p*ss.

Believe me they can afford it, people saying they cant afford whilst spending the day on Facebook on their iPhone with Sky TV on in the background are the ones taking the p*ss.

Hijpo · 04-07-2012 9:39am

donalg1 wrote: »

desodon wrote: »

One has to suspect, you're takin da p*ss.

Believe me they can afford it, people saying they cant afford whilst spending the day on Facebook on their iPhone with Sky TV on in the background are the ones taking the p*ss.

Those are all normalities of 2012 donal, you seem to expect everyone to take a step back to the 90's in order to foot the bill for the governments good times. They have a complete disregard for how the people will see them when they tell us to pay tax on necesities because the country is broke and just as quickly come up with some stupid bloody idea to spend money

donalg1 · 04-07-2012 9:50am

Hijpo wrote: »

Those are all normalities of 2012 donal, you seem to expect everyone to take a step back to the 90's in order to foot the bill for the governments good times. They have a complete disregard for how the people will see them when they tell us to pay tax on necesities because the country is broke and just as quickly come up with some stupid bloody idea to spend money

To me none of those are normalities they are all luxuries and can be done without.

I never said anything about expecting them to step back to the 90's, all I said was people that have these luxuries cant exactly claim to be broke and certainly cant claim that they cant afford to pay the HHC.

Sure if we all took that attitude where would we be, I could go take out a car loan by a nice new Merc or something then say I cant afford to pay the loan back certainly cant afford the Motor Tax or Insurance because if I pay these I would have to do without my Sky at home, my Broadband, Home Phone, and iPhone and nobody should be without these necessities luxuries.

And by luxuries I mean items that can be afforded once taxes have been paid, and once other bills and loans have been paid, not the other way around as some seem to think.

04-07-2012 10:00am

donalg1 wrote: »

Believe me they can afford it, people saying they cant afford whilst spending the day on Facebook on their iPhone with Sky TV on in the background are the ones taking the p*ss.

You are sounding more and more like one of those people who demanded that the less well off in the 1930's sold the radio to pay their taxes or in the 1950's sold the telly and the like.

As it is people are already deferring purchases of many goods to pay for the essentials and many others are not replacing things when they break.

You may have also noticed that fewer teenagers are driving cars and that second cars are also disappearing!

Materialism is declining, the wealth of the majority is being drained, soon it will result in a real decline in living standards!

04-07-2012 10:08am

donalg1 wrote: »

To me none of those are normalities they are all luxuries and can be done without.

I never said anything about expecting them to step back to the 90's, all I said was people that have these luxuries cant exactly claim to be broke and certainly cant claim that they cant afford to pay the HHC.

Sure if we all took that attitude where would we be, I could go take out a car loan by a nice new Merc or something then say I cant afford to pay the loan back certainly cant afford the Motor Tax or Insurance because if I pay these I would have to do without my Sky at home, my Broadband, Home Phone, and iPhone and nobody should be without these necessities luxuries.

And by luxuries I mean items that can be afforded once taxes have been paid, and once other bills and loans have been paid, not the other way around as some seem to think.

You start to deny people things they feel benifit their lives, then you should also reduce their expectations by limiting advertising of such products as well.

Perhaps you should fund an advertising campaign to instruct the population that their priorities are to pay all taxes first (like the TV license).

donalg1 · 04-07-2012 10:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

You start to deny people things they feel benifit their lives, then you should also reduce their expectations by limiting advertising of such products as well.

Perhaps you should fund an advertising campaign to instruct the population that their priorities are to pay all taxes first (like the TV license).

Nah sure an advertising campaign would cost a fortune and no way could I afford that especially not after I pay all my taxes, maybe if I dont bother paying my motor tax for a few years I could afford a small campaign, stop paying my car insurance too and maybe I could afford it sooner. Ah to hell with it I will stop paying for all the necessary items and spend all my money on luxury items, after all they will benefit my life.:rolleyes:

04-07-2012 10:19am

donalg1 wrote: »

Nah sure an advertising campaign would cost a fortune and no way could I afford that especially not after I pay all my taxes, maybe if I dont bother paying my motor tax for a few years I could afford a small campaign, stop paying my car insurance too and maybe I could afford it sooner. Ah to hell with it I will stop paying for all the necessary items and spend all my money on luxury items, after all they will benefit my life.:rolleyes:

What a good idea!

It's spending money that keeps the economy going (and the Chinese fed).

Chips Lovell · 04-07-2012 10:23am

tayto lover wrote: »

I think his point was that no matter what taxes and charges we pay the money is not going into services anyway. The bondholders are getting it. BUT you knew that anyway, didn't you ?

It's not like refusing to repay bondholders is a magic bullet that would solve all our ills. For a start, there are consequences to such a move, both for Ireland and its banks and the wider European sector. Secondly, even without the bondholders, we're still screwed. For example, our deficit last year was well in excess of what was owed to all the Anglo bondholders. Either way, we need to raise more money and cut back on spending.

Bear in mind too that the property tax is a recommendation of the Commission on Taxation, which published its report as far back as 2009. This isn't some sort of panic measure brought about by having to pay bondholders.

Am Chile wrote: »

We keep hearing big phil say the household charge is for local services, one would think the local garda station, the local guards there to help people if needed would be a part of local services.

The money goes to Local Authorities. That's what he means when he goes on about local services. Local Authorities don't fund the Guards. That money comes from central government.

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