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Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29603496
    Senior clerics taking part in a review of Catholic teachings on the family have called on the Church to adopt a more positive stance on homosexuality.

    More positive then calling them "unnatural"?

    I don't see anything changing, gay sex is awful in their eye's, sex before marriage is wrong, gays can't marry in their eye's so they can't win no matter what they do. Unless they are gay and never ever have sex....in which case the church is fine with them, much like they are fine with the gay priests they knowingly have within the catholic church (as long as they don't say anything, have sex etc).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Economist Magazine has a couple of good articles on the topic. link:https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2F&ei=BpQ9VNnGBIeM7AbqxoA4&usg=AFQjCNGsmoSAwKvUY161QsLxhd3NqrukRA

    The first article (14th item - centre section) on the front page, is titled Human Rights - The Gay Divide and the second article, Gay Marriage in America - so far so fast (a five-pager) is found by scrolling down to the grey background box at the bottom of the page, in Sections, United States. It has a video interview with persons involved at personal and interested levels.

    As a bonus, there's an article about the latest book about Tennessee Williams


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Taken from Alive this week,

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    taken from here - https://twitter.com/DrCollins10/status/504271740294668289

    and a lovely timelapse map of europe and gay marriage

    https://twitter.com/BrilliantMaps/status/521914413465731072/photo/1


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Surprise surprise, Alive's readers are into blaming rape victims. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Surprise surprise, Alive's readers are into blaming rape victims. :(

    If they weren't dressed up and drinking they'd be safe. No one sober and covered up ever gets raped. Fact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Some-one twitter Aoife word about rohypnol and other date-rape drugs please


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Some-one twitter Aoife word about rohypnol and other date-rape drugs please

    Apparently the whole rohypnol date rape spiking drinks is a bit of a myth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Francis spoke but the Cardinals said "no" to him, to divorced RC Church members, to LGBT RC members and to all other LGBT folk and divorcees. The Cardinals clearly don't care about the fact that they have burnt bridges that can't be rebuilt, regardless of Francis being the Pontiff.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Congratulations to the cardinals of the catholic church, you've really ensured the churches irrelevance to young people and anyone who has any form of human empathy, and the continued misery of those people in countries where your opinions hold sway. Well done!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Francis spoke but the Cardinals said "no" to him, to divorced RC Church members, to LGBT RC members and to all other LGBT folk and divorcees. The Cardinals clearly don't care about the fact that they have burnt bridges that can't be rebuilt, regardless of Francis being the Pontiff.


    That's why the last two guys picked them. JP in particular saturated the ranks with conservatives and drove those who strayed from the party line. It may be a Pope or three down the line who doesn't have to face this kind of thing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's just a poll and figures can change fast. We've got to keep working with our relatives, friends and the public to ensure the referendum succeed's in changing the law to equalize Civil Marriage.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/poll-shows-rise-in-support-for-gay-marriage-647684.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Nodin wrote: »
    That's why the last two guys picked them. JP in particular saturated the ranks with conservatives and drove those who strayed from the party line. It may be a Pope or three down the line who doesn't have to face this kind of thing.

    Francis' cardinals will be cut from the same cloth as JP's. Jus as with JP's papacy Francis' papacy is simply an exercise in ecumenical and conciliatory rhetoric and soundbites covering up the extreme conservative substance of the rcc and of the papacy. For example, despite all the fine words, the default reaction to child sex abuse, even up to the pope himself, is to try and spirit the abuser away and cover up the abuse. Those are not the actions of an organisation trying to change, but of an organisation trying to seem to change, while remaining substantively the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    aloyisious wrote: »
    It's just a poll and figures can change fast. We've got to keep working with our relatives, friends and the public to ensure the referendum succeed's in changing the law to equalize Civil Marriage.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/poll-shows-rise-in-support-for-gay-marriage-647684.html
    Watch as the Iona machine makes up more bull****. If we allow someone who isn't a man or a woman to get married sea levels will rise!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Glass Prison 1214


    Currently I'm not registered to vote, yet I heard someone mention that to be able to vote in this referendum, I will need to be registered by November 1st. Anyone know if this is the case? Or if not when is the deadline for registering?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Currently I'm not registered to vote, yet I heard someone mention that to be able to vote in this referendum, I will need to be registered by November 1st. Anyone know if this is the case? Or if not when is the deadline for registering?

    There's nothing online about it as far as I can see. I'd say your best bet is to contact the Dublin Circuit Court registrar, and ask them if there is a deadline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Currently I'm not registered to vote, yet I heard someone mention that to be able to vote in this referendum, I will need to be registered by November 1st. Anyone know if this is the case? Or if not when is the deadline for registering?

    The deadline to get on the Register is 25th November. To be registered, you complete this form and return it to your local county/city council. The council's website should tell you where to return it (usually the Franchise Section), but if you're in doubt, give them a call.

    If you miss that deadline, you can still apply to be included in the Supplement to the Register by completing this form and returning it to your council offices. That form needs to be witnessed by a Garda and must be returned at least 14 days before polling (not counting Sundays, public holidays, or Good Friday).

    Before all that though, there's no harm double checking that you're not registered. You can access the Register on www.checktheregister.ie.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Tim Cooke, head of Apple, comes out:

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-im-proud-to-be-gay
    Tim Cooke wrote:
    Throughout my professional life, I’ve tried to maintain a basic level of privacy. I come from humble roots, and I don’t seek to draw attention to myself. Apple is already one of the most closely watched companies in the world, and I like keeping the focus on our products and the incredible things our customers achieve with them.

    At the same time, I believe deeply in the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, who said: “Life’s most persistent and urgent question is, ‘What are you doing for others?’ ” I often challenge myself with that question, and I’ve come to realize that my desire for personal privacy has been holding me back from doing something more important. That’s what has led me to today.

    For years, I’ve been open with many people about my sexual orientation. Plenty of colleagues at Apple know I’m gay, and it doesn’t seem to make a difference in the way they treat me. Of course, I’ve had the good fortune to work at a company that loves creativity and innovation and knows it can only flourish when you embrace people’s differences. Not everyone is so lucky.

    While I have never denied my sexuality, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now. So let me be clear: I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.

    Being gay has given me a deeper understanding of what it means to be in the minority and provided a window into the challenges that people in other minority groups deal with every day. It’s made me more empathetic, which has led to a richer life. It’s been tough and uncomfortable at times, but it has given me the confidence to be myself, to follow my own path, and to rise above adversity and bigotry. It’s also given me the skin of a rhinoceros, which comes in handy when you’re the CEO of Apple.

    The world has changed so much since I was a kid. America is moving toward marriage equality, and the public figures who have bravely come out have helped change perceptions and made our culture more tolerant. Still, there are laws on the books in a majority of states that allow employers to fire people based solely on their sexual orientation. There are many places where landlords can evict tenants for being gay, or where we can be barred from visiting sick partners and sharing in their legacies. Countless people, particularly kids, face fear and abuse every day because of their sexual orientation.

    I don’t consider myself an activist, but I realize how much I’ve benefited from the sacrifice of others. So if hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help someone struggling to come to terms with who he or she is, or bring comfort to anyone who feels alone, or inspire people to insist on their equality, then it’s worth the trade-off with my own privacy.

    I’ll admit that this wasn’t an easy choice. Privacy remains important to me, and I’d like to hold on to a small amount of it. I’ve made Apple my life’s work, and I will continue to spend virtually all of my waking time focused on being the best CEO I can be. That’s what our employees deserve—and our customers, developers, shareholders, and supplier partners deserve it, too. Part of social progress is understanding that a person is not defined only by one’s sexuality, race, or gender. I’m an engineer, an uncle, a nature lover, a fitness nut, a son of the South, a sports fanatic, and many other things. I hope that people will respect my desire to focus on the things I’m best suited for and the work that brings me joy.

    The company I am so fortunate to lead has long advocated for human rights and equality for all. We’ve taken a strong stand in support of a workplace equality bill before Congress, just as we stood for marriage equality in our home state of California. And we spoke up in Arizona when that state’s legislature passed a discriminatory bill targeting the gay community. We’ll continue to fight for our values, and I believe that any CEO of this incredible company, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation, would do the same. And I will personally continue to advocate for equality for all people until my toes point up.

    When I arrive in my office each morning, I’m greeted by framed photos of Dr. King and Robert F. Kennedy. I don’t pretend that writing this puts me in their league. All it does is allow me to look at those pictures and know that I’m doing my part, however small, to help others. We pave the sunlit path toward justice together, brick by brick. This is my brick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    robindch wrote: »

    This was quickly followed by Samsung admitting they are also gay.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    This was quickly followed by Samsung admitting they are also gay.

    The JCB in particular


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    robindch wrote: »

    Sorry for being cynical here, but all this smacks very much of "quick, we're loosing market share because of our shitty half designed products. Do something edgy quick to reclaim the zeitgeist."

    Fair dues of him to come out publicall, but the timing pretty much smacks of smoke and mirrors to distract from the company behind the curtains being as fallable and corrupt as the rest of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭Daith


    Sorry for being cynical here, but all this smacks very much of "quick, we're loosing market share because of our shitty half designed products. Do something edgy quick to reclaim the zeitgeist."

    I don't know. I don't think a 50+ guy coming out can be seeing as edgy?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Thankful Thunderstorm


    He was outed months ago on CNN.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoUJqH3SGwY

    I'm not really sure what it has to do with the conversation though? We're not going for "Gay people can be succesful too" are we?

    People can be whatever they want to be(*). Their sexuality,gender,race etc should have no implications for or against that. I'm sure almost all people agree with this?

    (*) within reason


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    I think it's a sad indictment of society that anyone has to 'admit' to or 'come out' about their sexuality.

    It's as ridiculous as having to announce that they've been dying their hair for years and true hair colour is blonde etc.

    Fair play to him for stating what he did. Again though it's rather sad that in the 21st century that someone's sexuality is a topic for discussion at all.

    SD


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Daith wrote: »
    I don't know. I don't think a 50+ guy coming out can be seeing as edgy?

    In Murrica coming out is still seen very much as pushing the envelope. You've got to remember that there is a whole swathe of the buying public that companies and people are afraid of pissing off by not conforming to their very fundamentalist (i.e. wrong) religion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    In Murrica coming out is still seen very much as pushing the envelope. You've got to remember that there is a whole swathe of the buying public that companies and people are afraid of pissing off by not conforming to their very fundamentalist (i.e. wrong) religion.

    I don't think so, in certains sections of society definintely , but that is very much a minority and I would say it is still the best country in the world to be gay.

    Investors have always been able to divorce their private views from their investing views, particularly when there are brokers between them and their conscience . Hobby Lobby etc imho will turn out to be a passing phase and wont survive one SC appointment.

    After all this is the country where IBM had business with German companies through most of the war and even now the divest Harvard campaign are fighting an uphill battle to force divestment from the energy giants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    marienbad wrote: »
    I don't think so, in certains sections of society definintely , but that is very much a minority and I would say it (the US) is still the best country in the world to be gay.
    {...}

    I'd say most of northern Europe has the US beat hands down. Particularly the likes of Denmark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    I'd say most of northern Europe has the US beat hands down. Particularly the likes of Denmark.

    Probably correct there , but if you compare Europe as a whole with the USA as a whole , they have their New York and California as well as Alabama and Texas and we have Holland and Denmark as well as Poland and Croatia.

    So it is probably much of a muchness. I was just making the point that investors know well which side their bread is buttered on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    marienbad wrote: »
    Probably correct there , but if you compare Europe as a whole with the USA as a whole , they have their New York and California as well as Alabama and Texas and we have Holland and Denmark as well as Poland and Croatia.

    So it is probably much of a muchness. I was just making the point that investors know well which side their bread is buttered on.

    If we're comparing continents, Australia probably has them all beat. Actually. Antarctica probably wins by virtue of fewest bigots.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    If we're comparing continents, Australia probably has them all beat. Actually. Antarctica probably wins by virtue of fewest bigots.

    on that basis Rockall wins , what with the gay penguins and all


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