GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

Rasheed · 17-06-2014 1:12am

Poor dragons

mrkite77 · 17-06-2014 1:12am

Cianos wrote: »

Also, did Jaime intentionally send Tyrion through the Hand's chambers?

No. Jaime led Tyrion directly to a set of stairs and said Varys was waiting at the top. You can see Tyrion start up the stairs, then change his mind and wander off in another direction.. presumably to go find his father.

mayordenis · 17-06-2014 1:13am

Degag wrote: »

Maybe Tywin was in on the plan to break Tyrion out? As much as he hates him i don't think he would let him be executed.

Nah he was heading to the door to meet varys then he turned it around, I guess because he was the hand for a time he knew of the trap door and went there instead

Da Shins Kelly · 17-06-2014 1:21am

Cianos wrote: »

Aria and The Hound were given tonnes of screen time showing a bond slowly building between them. I felt Aria walking away was a cheap "Martin moment" where the unexpected seemed to have been favoured over what the story had been developing, just because it was unexpected.

I liked that Arya left him to die and didn't suddenly have mercy on him or show forgiveness in his last moments. I think that would have really gone against the kind of person Arya is becoming. As the Hound mentioned plenty of times over the season, she's a killer. She's developing into this desensitized, fairly cold-blooded individual. Having her walk away, leaving the Hound to suffer a slow and painful death was pretty fitting with her development as a character, I think. She has hated the Hound for quite some time too and any time it looks like he's about to redeem himself, he always goes and does something that turns her against him again. He said all the most horrible things he could think of to get her to kill him quickly, but I think it all just reminded her of why she hated him in the first place, so she left him and did the exact opposite of what he wanted her to do. She wouldn't even bother putting him out of his misery.

Cianos · 17-06-2014 1:23am

mrkite77 wrote: »

No. Jaime led Tyrion directly to a set of stairs and said Varys was waiting at the top. You can see Tyrion start up the stairs, then change his mind and wander off in another direction.. presumably to go find his father.

Why would he risk doing so? He said himself moments later that his father was always waiting for a chance to kill him off.

wp_rathead · 17-06-2014 1:30am

Have to say was kind of rough hearing The Hound begging to be killed - really grew to like his character over the seasons.. He really had a ****ty life - and looks like equally ****ty death. Alone in the hills.

Even when both Clegane brothers are left dying - The Mountain has atleast people willing to try bring him back (Cercessi and the wacko doc)

Degag wrote: »

Maybe Tywin was in on the plan to break Tyrion out? As much as he hates him i don't think he would let him be executed.

Haven't thought of this, highly doubt it though - surely Tywin would have mentioned it when he was on the jacks "Shouldn't you have gone to Varys by now?" or something? Interesting concept though..

Degag wrote: »

BTW, Why is the word "Illiterate" in the thread title?

Think was just a joke by Timmyctc

Timmyctc · 17-06-2014 1:59am

Degag wrote: »

BTW, Why is the word "Illiterate" in the thread title?

It was merely a joke at us not having read the books.

Degag · 17-06-2014 2:20am

Timmyctc wrote: »

It was merely a joke at us not having read the books.

I thought it was the episode title and was trying to think what relevance it had to the episode until i looked it up. Thought it was in relation to Ser Davos or something:pac:

kryogen · 17-06-2014 2:34am

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

At first I thought he'd be like a vegetable or unable to function properly in some way, but yer man said he'd still have his strength. Maybe he'll become even more lethal?

It actually pisses me off, he should die, end of story. His injuries would kill him, the poison would certainly kill him and even if by some miracle he isnt dead he would not be able to walk again.

Disgusted about it, if there is a book reader about can you tell me if this is how it happens in the book? He miraculously survives his injuries unscathed? Pm me if needs be, if it would be against the thread rules, but I don't want to wait the 10 months to find out!

If I am going to be angered by the cheating/lazy writing I may as well get it out of the way over the summer/winter

Overall a great episode, some moments that moved me, the 3 year old, the dragons getting locked away, The Hound etc and some that gave me a great sense of joy, Shae getting what she deserved, Jamie saving his brother, some sort of progress in the Branns storyline.

I liked the focus of the episode, on all the children.

Something that bothered me a bit is how Stannis is able to get north of the wall from down south so fast, he went by sea obviously, but surely it would have taken longer to get from the iron bank place, round up an army and set sail and reach the wildling camp.

Its going to be a long wait

Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing, Arya leaving the Hound like that, despite how much I wanted her to give him the mercy of a quick death, was perfectly done. Bravo on that.

challengemaster · 17-06-2014 4:47am

dark crystal wrote: »

Not sure where they're going, but I'm pretty sure Varys is going along for the ride, as if it's discovered he had anything to do with Tyrion's escape (and by proxy, Tywin's murder), he would be executed for it.

DeVore wrote: »

Varys is definitely going with Tyrion... whats going to happen to Tyrion now that his father is dead and he has no money in a foreign place?

Can't remember was it Jaime or Varys, but they said the ship was leaving for the Free Cities. I've my money on it they're heading for Braavos. It's the richest of the Free Cities, and as we've heard before it's impenetrable - meaning no matter how hard the (remaining) Lannisters try, they will never get Tyrion. Varys probably has some contacts there.

Precious flower wrote: »

Really thought too they would have gone into her aunt's place even if they discovered she was dead? I know no one except for a handful of people knew Sansa was there, but still I thought they would go in.

That's why Arya started pissing herself laughing - They'd travelled all that way so the Hound could trade her for coin. She was his meal ticket, and this was the only way he had to cash it in, nobody else would pay for her without either killing her or him (Lannisters).

shruikan2553 wrote: »

No real leader in Kings Landing now. Cersei is probably in charge and all weddings with the Tyrells are off (I assume from the conversation with Tywin). Cant imagine the grandmother being happy with that.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tywin dead, there's no Hand. Tyrion gone, Varys gone, Littlefinger gone - There's no master of coin now either. We'd already heard about how indebted the throne (essentially the Lannisters) were to the iron bank. The Tyrells are now the only way the Lannisters have of maintaining any power, without them there's no gold to run the kingdom.

I'm curious to see what comes of Casterly Rock now too.

seligehgit wrote: »

Anybody offer any plausible explanation as to why Mance Ryder and his supposedly 100,000 strong army of wildlings waved the white flag to Stannis's numerically inferior forces?

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wildlings were a bit rubbish weren't they? I fancy the wall would hold no bother to be honest if that's all they've got.
Mance had no defences at all at his position. I thought he was supposed to be a clever one?

As Mance said, he wanted no more bloodshed of his people (Wildlings). He explained to Jon that they were trying to head south before winter comes around again (and presumably the walkers). They were only attacking Castle black because they needed to herd everyone through the tunnel to go south of the wall. If Stannis captures them all as prisoners and takes them south anyway, why put up a fight?

Cianos wrote: »

And I thought the fact that Jon Snow was able to walk within a couple of meters of Mance Rayder before anyone drew on him was a bit stupid.

Also, did Jaime intentionally send Tyrion through the Hand's chambers?

1 man walking into the camp of 100,000, he wasn't a threat, not until he was within distance to kill Mance. It was more of a "that's close enough" tbh.

Tyrion was going to knock on the door when he decided otherwise, went off and came up through a secret passageway out of the dungeons. Then went in search of Tywin.

Cianos wrote: »

Why would he risk doing so? He said himself moments later that his father was always waiting for a chance to kill him off.

What had Tyrion to lose at that point? He was "free", but the only things that had sustained him his whole life - the Lannister name and the money they had, were now gone. If he was going to be wanted for murder, he might as well commit it now while he has nothing to lose.

Anachrony · 17-06-2014 8:39am

kryogen wrote: »

He miraculously survives his injuries unscathed?

"You should know, the process may change him, somewhat."

If the creepy ex-Maester who was un-Maestered for being too creepy warns you about the "unnatural" consequences of what he's about to do, I'd go ahead and assume it will count as "scathed".

Pepe LeFrits · 17-06-2014 9:08am

Mike Litoris wrote: »

I feel exactly the same. It was an epic season finale for a great season but I feel totally flat, not because we've to wait fcukin ages for 5 but because of all the epic characters, good and bad, who've gone.

Look at this way. Every time we lose a Ned Stark it merely makes room for the show to gain an Oberyn Martell...

... and then Oberyn gets his head crushed like a beetle. **** you Martin.

Nody · 17-06-2014 9:11am

FixitFelix wrote: »

Do you lads know what book to get to continue on from season 4? Can't wait a year for season 5, and by the way Tyrian is a cold ass mother5ucker

From page 2.

Blay wrote: »

Book reader..just posting here to answer this.

I'll spoiler this incase some people don't want to know.

There are no actual spoilers in here just where the show is in relation to the books...no plot points are revealed;
It hasn't ended on any one book, it's a bit all over the place. This season pretty much finished with the end of A Storm of Swords but there are some elements from that which may happen next season. You could read A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings and the first half of A Storm of Swords and you'd be ok.

kryogen wrote: »

It actually pisses me off, he should die, end of story. His injuries would kill him, the poison would certainly kill him and even if by some miracle he isnt dead he would not be able to walk again.

Disgusted about it, if there is a book reader about can you tell me if this is how it happens in the book? He miraculously survives his injuries unscathed? Pm me if needs be, if it would be against the thread rules, but I don't want to wait the 10 months to find out!

If I am going to be angered by the cheating/lazy writing I may as well get it out of the way over the summer/winter

You got a PM of what happens in the book; not confirming or denying any of your opinions in this thread.

Brendan Filone · 17-06-2014 9:16am

Had to laugh at Jojen, he got super killed. Stabbed like 8 or 9 times, then throat sliced, then fire grenaded.

degrassinoel · 17-06-2014 9:52am

Brendan Filone wrote: »

Had to laugh at Jojen, he got super killed. Stabbed like 8 or 9 times, then throat sliced, then fire grenaded.

didn't see that coming did he?

Dubh Geannain · 17-06-2014 9:53am

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Don't forget:
Lancel Lannister (last seen Battle of Blackwater)
The Blackfish (last seen Red Wedding)
GreatJohn Umber (last seen... damn so long I can't remember)
Sir Kevan Lannister (last seen at Harrenhal)

and last, but by no means least

Benjen Stark

And last, and by some means least

Rickon Stark

Shane-KornSpace · 17-06-2014 9:56am

10 months before I can catch up on my future missus, Khaleesi

Dubh Geannain · 17-06-2014 10:02am

Shane-KornSpace wrote: »

10 months before I can catch up on my future missus, Khaleesi

If you can show the same patience she has. You'll be fine.

Now to figure out how Littlefinger masterminded all of last nights events.

iamanengine · 17-06-2014 10:03am

Thought that little fire throwing wench was a boss! Hopefully magic comes to the fore of the series now

Penn · 17-06-2014 10:11am

Really excited for next season.

Bran's no longer just wandering about
Arya's no longer just wandering about
Stannis finally did something
Tyrion's still alive (though Tywin being dead is a kick in the balls)
Likely some Varys and Tyrion team-up next season
Dragon on the loose

Some of the stories the last two seasons have kinda dragged on, particularly Stannis and Bran. Glad to see some proper movement.

kryogen · 17-06-2014 10:16am

Thanks to the guys who pm'd me, couple of different versions there too so still something to ponder

Cianos · 17-06-2014 10:24am

challengemaster wrote: »

1 man walking into the camp of 100,000, he wasn't a threat, not until he was within distance to kill Mance. It was more of a "that's close enough" tbh.

Ah come on

He was freely able to walk past hundreds of enemies and nobody seemed to care whatsoever - men whose comrades had just been killed at his command after turning sides away from them. Also he could have had a crossbow under his cloak ready for Mance and was well within range.

What had Tyrion to lose at that point? He was "free", but the only things that had sustained him his whole life - the Lannister name and the money they had, were now gone. If he was going to be wanted for murder, he might as well commit it now while he has nothing to lose.

Tyrion wasn't someone who would just kill for the sake of it. He killed Shae partly out of self defense but also because seeing her in his father's bed pushed him over the edge. But all of that was unbeknownst to him when he decided to turn back from the stairway.

We wouldn't expect Varys to protect him, putting himself at risk, for no personal gain, so his life still had value (monetarily or politically) from his perspective. He also had his brother to help ensure he was kept in comfort.

DeVore · 17-06-2014 10:31am

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It looked to me as though Cersei was losing her marbles. Maybe she is going to rule kings landing through Tommen and be a comletr psycho!

Wot? You mean unlike her usual sane, level-headed self?!

RichFTW · 17-06-2014 10:34am

degrassinoel wrote: »

didn't see that coming did he?

I think he did though. The old guy in the tree said he knew about his end before he started the journey. I thought he looked kind of accepting of his death when dying rather than in shock as well because he saw it coming.

OneOfThem Stumbled · 17-06-2014 10:36am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Those skeletons at the big tree... not sure what sense they make, a field of evil skelly psychos right on the doorstep of the Mega Tree. Are they guardians? Why couldn't they be called off then? Are they besiegers? Why don't the children guys firebomb them all to hell then?
Nice to see more REAL magic all the same. The show just gets better with every spell cast.

Was I the only one who thought it a bit OTT?

I mean... how would the skeletons see without eyes, or move without sinews? Think I saw Meera killing one with a good-old-fashioned blow to the head; but why would that kill one when it doesn't even have a brain? How did the skeletons know the party was approaching? Why didn't the Child of the Forest do something about the battle sooner, or just not have a whole load of spectral skeletons in shallow graves outside the front door in general (you're disturbing my corpse garden, yo!). Why, when the strongest magic we've seen has been predominantly illusionary in nature (Melisandre seeing "things" in her flames, or Pyat Pree making copies of himself) we now see someone casually chucking ball lightning.

And then, where's the context? Were the skeletons controlled by the White Walkers, and if so, were they deliberately trying to impede the progress of Bran and co.? If they were, why not just have a couple of thousand wights attack them long before that point?

Maybe I'm just overthinking it... :pac:

quad_red · 17-06-2014 10:36am

The implication that Bran is going to warg and control Drogos was stunning. As was the reveal of the children of the forest (I busted through the illustrated 'lore of westeros' videos on youtube).

seligehgit wrote: »

She'd built a strong bond with him and despite having him on her list did'nt have the heart to do it...

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

No, I think it was because he said all those horrible things to her about raping Sansa, etc. He was trying to provoke her into killing him, but it backfired. After hearing him spout all that horrible stuff, she probably thought a slow and painful death was the best thing for him.

It's really been a coming of age for the Stark girls. Sansa realising that the truth, the 'good' way of doing things, has only brought her grief. She doesn't trust Little Finger or is under no illusions of how ruthless he is. But she thinks she understands him enough to have some control and is willing to play along in order to keep herself safe.

Arya has been a hostage. She was kidnapped by the Hound. A brutal, cruel killer. He has helped her mainly for money. And now that her aunt is gone and the money is gone, the Hound is aimless. He isn't really protecting Arya.

And Arya is now smart enough to know that some kindness does not make the Hound a good person, nor a person she can trust. And it dose not absolve him from all the terrible pain and suffering he has dished out.

So it would have been a kind mercy to kill him. But he doesn't deserve that. Remember that kind desperate man a few episodes back who offered the Hound honest work? He beat the man, took his money and left him and the child to die.

MOH wrote: »

Little bit worried by the fireball throwing ancient children. I don't know why, but just that particular moment it felt like an extra level of weirdness and it was suddenly going to turn into Lost.

I thought she was throwing grenades?

A Neurotic · 17-06-2014 10:38am

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Was I the only one who thought it a bit OTT?

I mean... how would the skeletons see without eyes, or move without sinews? Think I saw Meera killing one with a good-old-fashioned blow to the head; but why would that kill one when it doesn't even have a brain? How did the skeletons know the party was approaching? Why didn't the Child of the Forest do something about the battle sooner, or just not have a whole load of spectral skeletons in shallow graves outside the front door in general (you're disturbing my corpse garden, yo!). Why, when the strongest magic we've seen has been predominantly illusionary in nature (Melisandre seeing "things" in her flames, or Pyat Pree making copies of himself) we now see someone casually chucking ball lightning.

And then, where's the context? Were the skeletons controlled by the White Walkers, and if so, were they deliberately trying to impede the progress of Bran and co.? If they were, why not just have a couple of thousand wights attack them long before that point?

Maybe I'm just overthinking it... :pac:

The answer to all of these things: it looked cool and created action.

Penn · 17-06-2014 10:45am

quad_red wrote: »

I thought she was throwing grenades?

Where would she get grenades from? Guns haven't even been invented

Whoever the tree people are, they're deep into magic. In the world of GoT, it makes more sense that she was throwing magic fireballs than throwing grenades.

OneOfThem Stumbled · 17-06-2014 10:46am

A Neurotic wrote: »

The answer to all of these things: it looked cool and created action.

That's true... but I always thought of GOT as more than just looking cool, having action (and bewbs, of course). I don't think random fantasy action really lends itself to emotional investment (tbh when Jojen was killed I just thought "oh look at that... Jojen's dead.")

Sure, if anything goes, may as well have

degrassinoel · 17-06-2014 10:50am

RichFTW wrote: »

I think he did though. The old guy in the tree said he knew about his end before he started the journey. I thought he looked kind of accepting of his death when dying rather than in shock as well because he saw it coming.

Yeah the episode where the mutineers had captured bran and co. Jojen seen his death in the fire and said the same to skinny king's landing torchwood guy

Brendan Filone · 17-06-2014 10:50am

Degag wrote: »

I don't think he was planning on going but he heard the bells toll and that seemed to change his mind. Think he reckoned it was going to be too dangerous to stay.

Varys was like:

Irishcrx · 17-06-2014 10:51am

Good episode and good way to finish the season but I was a little underwhelmed to be honest, I don't know why maybe it's because everything in the past few episodes has been so good it was hard to keep pace but it just didn't have that bang I was hoping for from a season finale.

The fight with the hound was enjoyable but I find it disapointing that he was killed by Brienne , like others said I kind of wanted a moment of respect between him and Ayra after all the building between them I guess we will never see the Mountain vs The hound now. The mountain should be dead , his injuries were sever just kill him off.

As always we loose some good charactors but that's to be expected, Tywin will be missed in the story he was a good actor and brought a lot to the show.

The battle for the wall was epic but a little unrealistic , I never really felt the 100,000 strong army vibe from the wildlings. If they had them numbers surely the wall would have fallen and then Stannis army just cuts right through them, It all felt a little off to be honest.

I just can't enjoy Brans plot at all , even last night as it was gaining some sort of momentum every time he pops up on screen I groan and want to go pop the kettle on I just don't feel it.

Leaves everything open for the next season though , King's landing is ripe for the taking now only another 10 month's!

walshb · 17-06-2014 10:58am

Bit of a tame finale. Getting fed up with the Khaleese story. Her just answering queries from the people she freed. The Bran story is also a bit stale now.

Dave! · 17-06-2014 11:10am

Penn wrote: »

Really excited for next season.

Bran's no longer just wandering about
Arya's no longer just wandering about
Stannis finally did something
Tyrion's still alive (though Tywin being dead is a kick in the balls)
Likely some Varys and Tyrion team-up next season
Dragon on the loose

Some of the stories the last two seasons have kinda dragged on, particularly Stannis and Bran. Glad to see some proper movement.

Looking forward to more of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr7wJ_GfPdY

Links234 · 17-06-2014 11:16am

Loved the reaction from Varys :pac:

Adamocovic wrote: »

Wasn't expecting the Wall to be in it and was very surprised to see Stannis' army come charging in was fully expecting it to be the walkers.

Not sure why you were surprised to see Stannis, they'd made it pretty clear he was headed to the wall in the last season. I'd been itching to see him show up, and I was pretty sure he'd be in at the end of the last episode.

DeVore · 17-06-2014 11:20am

Thing is.... this ISNT the season finale... its only a mid-term break. That may explain why people don't feel the same about it. We're only half way through the season.

Degag · 17-06-2014 11:21am

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Think I saw Meera killing one with a good-old-fashioned blow to the head

You just reminded me..... she was pretty bad-ass in that scene. And Hodor, he's pretty useless at defending himself (and Bran) until he's "taken over" isn't he?

quad_red wrote: »

Arya has been a hostage. She was kidnapped by the Hound. A brutal, cruel killer. He has helped her mainly for money. And now that her aunt is gone and the money is gone, the Hound is aimless. He isn't really protecting Arya.

And Arya is now smart enough to know that some kindness does not make the Hound a good person, nor a person she can trust. And it dose not absolve him from all the terrible pain and suffering he has dished out.

So it would have been a kind mercy to kill him. But he doesn't deserve that. Remember that kind desperate man a few episodes back who offered the Hound honest work? He beat the man, took his money and left him and the child to die.

He's obviously not without redemption but who is in the show?

Arya hated him becaue he killed the Butchers boy - something that the King ordered him to do. He probably took great pleasure in doing so as he loves killing so much but he shouldn't really be held accountable for it.

We also heard his reasons for stealing from the farmer, it may have been tough but it was probably true. He was a bad ass through and through. Hope I haven't seen the end of him.

castletownman · 17-06-2014 11:30am

I really thought the Hound was going to produce a Brick Tamland insult to Brienne when he saw her sword.

"Nice sword. Where did you get it? In a toilet store?"

quad_red · 17-06-2014 11:31am

Degag wrote: »

He's obviously not without redemption but who is in the show?

Arya hated him becaue he killed the Butchers boy - something that the King ordered him to do. He probably took great pleasure in doing so as he loves killing so much but he shouldn't really be held accountable for it.

We also heard his reasons for stealing from the farmer, it may have been tough but it was probably true. He was a bad ass through and through. Hope I haven't seen the end of him.

I'm not saying the Hound wasn't an absolutely fantastic character. Or unsympathetic. His story of how his brother scarred him and how his father covered it up was surprisingly touching.

But the Hound's main purpose in the story has been achieved. Arya never wanted to be a lady, sewing and being wooed by a handsome prince the way Sansa wanted.

And now that all of her world and her family have been torn down, Arya needed someone to show her the ropes. How the world really was. And the Hound has done that. Not necessarily with combat training - she got that from Syrio. And Jaqen showed her that getting payback was possible with the right skills. But the Hound gave her a bloody lesson in what him and so many of the people of Westeros were about.

He is not one dimensional evil. But he was brutal, murderous, greedy and treacherous. And Arya has learned how to kill. How to take a life. But she hasn't become the Hound and she still hated what he stood for.

She could have followed Brien and done as the Hound suggested - be dependent on someone else again. Not in control.

But she is now empowered enough to follow up the best offer she has had since her father died. Go to Bravos and become a kick ass assassin.

As for the Hound - he really became an awesome character as a foil to Arya. Not sure how he would have fared without her.

bopper · 17-06-2014 11:31am

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

I mean... how would the skeletons see without eyes, or move without sinews? Think I saw Meera killing one with a good-old-fashioned blow to the head; but why would that kill one when it doesn't even have a brain? How did the skeletons know the party was approaching?

If you're able to go along with the notion of skeletons coming to life in the first place, you really shouldn't have a problem with suspension of disbelief for the rest.

nibtrix · 17-06-2014 11:31am

DeVore wrote: »

Thing is.... this ISNT the season finale... its only a mid-term break. That may explain why people don't feel the same about it. We're only half way through the season.

Huh?

Degag · 17-06-2014 11:35am

quad_red wrote: »

As for the Hound - he really became an awesome character as a foil to Arya. Not sure how he would have fared without her.

He was becoming a pretty kickass character before meeting Arya to be fair.

"Fúck the King":pac:

seamus · 17-06-2014 11:39am

DeVore wrote: »

Thing is.... this ISNT the season finale... its only a mid-term break. That may explain why people don't feel the same about it. We're only half way through the season.

Not GoT

The seasons are short, unlike other shows which are twenty episodes. No more GoT until April 2015.

This was probably deliberate to stretch it out into as many seasons as possible without having to add a tonne of filler into each season (which wouldn't be hard tbh). Fewer episodes creates a bigger frenzy, which means that ad space between them is more expensive. It also keeps viewer attention for longer, as it's easier to keep pace with the story. Whereas if you missed 3 episodes in the middle of a 20-episode season you would be left running to catch up and you might just drop off and stop watching.

quad_red · 17-06-2014 11:54am

I still don't understand Shae.

I took the reason she testified so spitefully against Tyrion in court was her being afraid of her life combined with her taking Tyrion's words against her (whore etc.) as being sincere (rather than him trying to get her to safety).

So are we to take it now that Shae never meant any of it? That the 'my lion' stuff was just her giving Tyrion what he wanted?

But that doesn't make sense because in S3 Varys tried to get Shea to safety and offered her bag of precious stones and a full setup across the narrow sea. And if she was purely selfishly motivated surely she would've taken the offer then?

OneOfThem Stumbled · 17-06-2014 12:06pm

bopper wrote: »

If you're able to go along with the notion of skeletons coming to life in the first place, you really shouldn't have a problem with suspension of disbelief for the rest.

Ah, I've never bought this argument.

Just because 24 has some far fetched things, doesn't mean that it would be reasonable for Jack Bauer to use an invisibility device, or a gun that shrinks his enemies to the size of tumb-tacks.

Or if in Breaking Bad it turned out that Gus Fring was using Sky Blue to fund the building of a giant cannon on the moon that could be used to blow up the earth. The fact that Gus Fring's enterprise is a bit unrealistic wouldn't make that okay.

I'm fine with skeletons being controlled like puppets... but this didn't seem to be the case. Who are the puppeteers and what are the rules on their usage? If the skeletons are sentient, that throws up a whole different set of questions...

Mickeroo · 17-06-2014 12:06pm

seamus wrote: »

Not GoT

The seasons are short, unlike other shows which are twenty episodes. No more GoT until April 2015.

This was probably deliberate to stretch it out into as many seasons as possible without having to add a tonne of filler into each season (which wouldn't be hard tbh). Fewer episodes creates a bigger frenzy, which means that ad space between them is more expensive. It also keeps viewer attention for longer, as it's easier to keep pace with the story. Whereas if you missed 3 episodes in the middle of a 20-episode season you would be left running to catch up and you might just drop off and stop watching.

HBO tend not to do the whole 20 episodes a season thing anyway, plus the show is probably too expensive for them to stretch it out anymore. It's a shame in some ways, I really think it would benefit from a bit more breathing space sometimes, even an extra 2 episodes.

Macy0161 · 17-06-2014 12:10pm

challengemaster wrote: »

As Mance said, he wanted no more bloodshed of his people (Wildlings). He explained to Jon that they were trying to head south before winter comes around again (and presumably the walkers). They were only attacking Castle black because they needed to herd everyone through the tunnel to go south of the wall. If Stannis captures them all as prisoners and takes them south anyway, why put up a fight?

Didn't he also say he'd sent thousands off to climb the wall? I forget how many he actually said.

Mickeroo · 17-06-2014 12:17pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

Didn't he also say he'd sent thousands off to climb the wall? I forget how many he actually said.

400 I thought.

cletus van damme · 17-06-2014 12:19pm

going against the grain here but i didn't like that episode too much
wasn't too bad but not overly brilliant.

some silly stuff annoyed me.

the hound losing to brienne - like fcuk that.
The hound kicked everybody's ass so far and loses to her...ffs.

tyrion guilty of killing the king , teh night before his execution - escapes from his cell the night before execution and has the time to stop off to kill whores and have a heart to heart with dad.
and nobody notices...

and then varys , the smoothest operator in kings landing, still hangs about waiting on him.

pull the other one.:rolleyes:

I miss the wilding one who went off with bran's brother . She was always tastier than the red head wildings. Jon snow can keep his red head.

Taylor365 · 17-06-2014 12:21pm

Necromancy. The skeletons are put in place to guard the entrance to the underground dwelling. This is why they cannot enter it and why they only 'wake up' when someone is close to it. They aren't controlled by anyone but themselves and the sense of vibrations in close proximity.

I thought this was a given...

I haven't read the books....... so maybe I'm wrong and they're a special type of underground skeleton that traverse the 7 kingdoms likes moles.

:pac:

GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale *HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS*

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GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS