Some of Todays Wrestling News and Rumours (Possible spoilers) NO CHAT

Lithium93_ · 01-01-2015 9:34pm

More health problems for Jerry Lawler,

http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/01/jerry-the-king-lawler-has-been-hospitalized/

According to reports now making their way around the wrestling community, WWE legend Jerry “The King” Lawler has been hospitalized. It’s said that he’s been receiving treatment for Diverticulitis for the past few days, but there have been no updates as to the severity or his current condition.

Moneymaker · 01-01-2015 10:06pm

It's a little cold but hopefully he has to retire on medical grounds sooner rather then later.

He clearly has zero passion for the job and the business and he literally adds nothing to the product.

Rjd2 · 01-01-2015 10:29pm

Moneymaker wrote: »

It's a little cold but hopefully he has to retire on medical grounds sooner rather then later.

He clearly has zero passion for the job and the business and he literally adds nothing to the product.

He actually takes away from the product these days with his "commentary":(

BohsJohnny · 01-01-2015 10:51pm

Moneymaker wrote: »

It's a little cold but hopefully he has to retire on medical grounds sooner rather then later.

He clearly has zero passion for the job and the business and he literally adds nothing to the product.

Such a shame that all people will remember from him is being a pretty awful commentator and nearly dying on live tv seriously he's one of the best babyfaces of all time from his Memphis run more people should check it out it's great stuff.

Palo Alto · 01-01-2015 11:29pm

I also remember his dubious record with women.

BohsJohnny · 02-01-2015 12:09am

Palo Alto wrote: »

I also remember his dubious record with women.

I was talking about his wrestling legacy not allegations about his personal life.

Diabhal Beag · 02-01-2015 12:44am

JBL put me off bigtime and IMO he's the worst of the three. Lawler I just mentally ignored.

rovert · 02-01-2015 12:56am

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

JBL put me off bigtime and IMO he's the worst of the three. Lawler I just mentally ignored.

Yeah Lawler is just the daft Grandad in the corner.

Diabhal Beag · 02-01-2015 1:31am

And if you haven't seen prime-Lawler before look up some of King's promos from Memphis. The actual wrestling was not for me but Jesus he could sell a match. Lot of great guys were down there at some point. Corey Maclin makes current WWE commentary seem like JR at his peak.

Mokuba · 02-01-2015 3:07am

Hopefully they put Heyman on commentary after Brock finishes up, if Lawler's health scare is serious.

The Strawman Argument · 02-01-2015 6:23am

Whatever about JBL being annoying, I can't think of anyone other than perhaps Winston Bogarde who has so shamelessly exerted so little effort to earn a wage as Lawler on commentary in the last long while.

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

And if you haven't seen prime-Lawler before look up some of King's promos from Memphis. The actual wrestling was not for me but Jesus he could sell a match. Lot of great guys were down there at some point. Corey Maclin makes current WWE commentary seem like JR at his peak.

Yep, Memphis Heat is well worth a viewing to see Lawler and that whole scene. It's actually insane how great Jimmy Hart was in the clips used in that documentary too.

Stereomaniac · 02-01-2015 10:41am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Pretty much yeah, new t shirt every week,always around the main event scene and features more often than all in the big raw quarters, rushed back from every injury, does the most high profile media work, yeah the guy is still the man.

Its why, all talk of him turning heel is pointless, it can't happen unless someone like Reigns can be the man like he has been.

John Cena doesn't have a new t-shirt on the market every week. But I would wager that even if he only had one design, it would probably still out-sell most other peoples' merchandise combined. Anyway, they have no real reason to turn him.

rovert · 02-01-2015 6:12pm

What a faction:

https://twitter.com/WWENXT/status/551060395939876864

Lithium93_ · 02-01-2015 7:03pm

Mokuba wrote: »

Hopefully they put Heyman on commentary after Brock finishes up, if Lawler's health scare is serious.

I would love Heyman to take Lawler's place at the commentary table if Lawler's health problems are serious. But remember that handshake between Rollins & Heyman, me thinks Rollins could be the next Paul Heyman Guy.

brianregan09 · 02-01-2015 7:23pm

As long as he don't end up like Axel Cesaro and the rest of the Paul Heyman guys

rovert · 02-01-2015 11:49pm

2 Unlimited blindsided everyone last year. They are a team from the West Coast of Ireland that I didn't really know existed nor did the people who I talk Wrestling with until they were booked in the UK. They absolute tore down the house in their debut for Revolution Pro well they have been reward big time:
https://twitter.com/AQuildan/status/551050900769611777

Gwan the lads

leggo · 03-01-2015 12:07am

Any stuff of them online? I'm intrigued...

rovert · 03-01-2015 12:12am

leggo wrote: »

Any stuff of them online? I'm intrigued...

There's a naff music video. They are an Irish Young Bucks pretty much:

Did my head in researching them when I first heard of them. Neither them or their home promotion have feck all up about themselves: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Emerald-Wrestling-Promotions/100651866652805

But they stood out on a card with UK, North American and Japanese names.

CastorTroy · 03-01-2015 2:28am

Right, who's on for forming a team called Eiffel 65?

Hashtag_HEEL · 03-01-2015 2:30am

CastorTroy wrote: »

Right, who's on for forming a team called Eiffel 65?

Make a faction. Call yourselves the blue man group

leggo · 03-01-2015 2:39am

rovert wrote: »

There's a naff music video. They are an Irish Young Bucks pretty much:

Did my head in researching them when I first heard of them. Neither them or their home promotion have feck all up about themselves: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Emerald-Wrestling-Promotions/100651866652805

But they stood out on a card with UK, North American and Japanese names.

Hmm if I was a promoter I'd book them on the strength of that video alone. Very tight and polished. I really wanna know their story now...

rovert · 03-01-2015 11:15pm

ADR makes his ROH debut tonight against Christopher Daniels:

https://twitter.com/ringofhonor/status/551501301692260353

Hashtag_HEEL · 04-01-2015 12:12am

Don't you mean AEP?

rovert · 05-01-2015 12:59pm

Scott Hall isn't wasting time in New Japan:

https://twitter.com/SenorLARIATO/status/552070645694361600

He's not a full member of group he has to earn it.

rovert · 07-01-2015 3:39am

Cool freebie:

https://twitter.com/RyanClingman/status/552574333634502657

rovert · 07-01-2015 7:25am

According to Bryan Alvarez WWE is mad at Dolph for booking this without asking permission:

So that's part of the reason they took the title off of him, besides for the storyline firing.

Nody · 07-01-2015 10:05am

rovert wrote: »

According to Bryan Alvarez WWE is mad at Dolph for booking this without asking permission:

So that's part of the reason they took the title off of him, besides for the storyline firing.

You know people keep on saying Dolph should be pushed but seeing how consistently he's managed to get himself put in the doghouse you have to start asking yourself if it's not a case of him rather than WWE at this stage as he does not appear to ever understand what not to do...

Jerichoholic · 07-01-2015 12:44pm

It's not as if he was appearing in the crowd at an impact taping. I'm sure an independant contracter like Zig should be allowed a hobby on his days off.

leggo · 07-01-2015 2:08pm

WWE have a policy of treating their 'superstars' as stars and not making them readily accessible to the public. Same reason you won't see Hollywood A-Listers down the local, and even if they are it's usually a PR exercise (think when the Anchorman guys went on the piss in Dublin). Interestingly, personal belief in that policy is what kept Sheamus off social media for so long.

So yeah, I can kinda see their point in not wanting him performing in front of 30 people in a smoky comedy club where he could easily bomb on stage. It ruins a wrestler's drawing value in a town if that kinda stuff gets out...and material getting put up on YouTube is a hot topic in comedy right now so that's likely what WWE would be afraid of in case Dolph said anything or came across in such a way that it didn't match their image. But it's quite an old school belief at its core actually.

gimmick · 07-01-2015 2:52pm

As Punk said though - its easier to get forgiveness than permission.

Nody · 07-01-2015 3:06pm

gimmick wrote: »

As Punk said though - its easier to get forgiveness than permission.

Yet if you've been denied forgiveness multiple times it might just be worth asking for permission going forward if you want to have a career beyond mid card jobber...

Jerichoholic · 07-01-2015 4:30pm

leggo wrote: »

WWE have a policy of treating their 'superstars' as stars and not making them readily accessible to the public. Same reason you won't see Hollywood A-Listers down the local, and even if they are it's usually a PR exercise (think when the Anchorman guys went on the piss in Dublin). Interestingly, personal belief in that policy is what kept Sheamus off social media for so long.

So yeah, I can kinda see their point in not wanting him performing in front of 30 people in a smoky comedy club where he could easily bomb on stage. It ruins a wrestler's drawing value in a town if that kinda stuff gets out...and material getting put up on YouTube is a hot topic in comedy right now so that's likely what WWE would be afraid of in case Dolph said anything or came across in such a way that it didn't match their image. But it's quite an old school belief at its core actually.

Another thing that hurts drawing power is never letting anyone in your company ever get over.

leggo · 07-01-2015 5:25pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Another thing that hurts drawing power is never letting anyone in your company ever get over.

To be fair, doing a small comedy show won't help Ziggler get over or do anything for WWE in his pro-wrestling career. So that is a completely different discussion and has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

This is a side project he's doing for himself and, while I'm sure WWE have no problem allowing their wrestlers to live their own lives outside of work, it also involves someone else managing and making money off Ziggler's image. I imagine WWE would argue that they pay him quite well to be the sole beneficiaries of that image. My dayjob has similar stipulations regarding you being a representative of the company and not doing anything publicly which may bring the company into disrepute. Most companies do. And in entertainment your image is your business so it's iron clad. If he wants to be a comedian, he can do a Jericho, Brock or Punk and walk out to pursue a new career goal. Then, who knows, if it goes well he might be able to do both down the line.

All that's happened here is an employee went against the wishes of his boss and got punished for it. That's what happens in the real world, whether you like that employee or not.

A Rogue Hobo · 07-01-2015 5:30pm

I'd say it wouldn't be as big a problem if he was doing this show in his own time advertised as Nick Nemeth. But using WWE IP, advertising him as WWE Superstar without permission is where the beef lies and WWE are in the right in my opinion.

Jerichoholic · 07-01-2015 5:59pm

Yeah, but it's so small time, it shouldn't be an issue. Jericho did plenty of improv nights and Fozzy gigs etc. I'm sure he asked permission, but he had a lot more clout too. It's a shame since Ziggler was one of the very few things worth watching for lately.

A Rogue Hobo · 07-01-2015 6:02pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Yeah, but it's so small time, it shouldn't be an issue. Jericho did plenty of improv nights and Fozzy gigs etc. I'm sure he asked permission, but he had a lot more clout too. It's a shame since Ziggler was one of the very few things worth watching for lately.

Chris Jericho as I understand it owns the name Chris Jericho though, different ballgame. He can advertise and appear as Jericho whenever and wherever he wants.

Lord TSC · 07-01-2015 7:02pm

"Independent Contractor"....until you actually try and take the smallest of small side jobs.....

Ruu · 07-01-2015 7:04pm

I always thought the social media was encouraged. So sad the way they get "punished" by dropping them down the card, etc.

jaykhunter · 07-01-2015 7:11pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

"Independent Contractor"....until you actually try and take the smallest of small side jobs.....

I wish wrestling was a bigger industry so this kind of unfair business practise would be wiped out. "We want the benefits of holding you to a contract but none of the responsibilities of health care, pensions etc"

beakerjoe · 07-01-2015 7:14pm

Ruu wrote: »

I always thought the social media was encouraged. So sad the way they get "punished" by dropping them down the card, etc.

Its punishes WWE too. Biting their nose off to spite there face.

DM_7 · 07-01-2015 8:15pm

Weird, why would he want to work on front of a crowd in a scenario that helps him work on timing, delivery, thinking on his feet, working a crowd. What benefit could that be to WWE if he got better at those things?.................

leggo · 07-01-2015 8:54pm

Hold on lads, ye're acting like WWE guys don't know what they're signing when a contract is put in front of them. All of this is spelled out in black-and-white and they have every opportunity to turn around and say no at any stage. Yeah the industry mightn't be fair blah blah blah...it is what it is. It hasn't changed in the duration of Dolph Ziggler's current contract. Ziggler knows this. It's he who moved the goalposts here, not WWE, much as you might like him or want to see WWE as the big bad guy.

If he wants to be a wrestler in WWE, those are the parameters. He can just as soon not be a wrestler there by walking out tomorrow. If he can't because of financial commitments etc, then welcome to the real world pal, thanks for joining the rest of us doing a job you don't like that might infringe on your passion because you've got bills to pay. If he wants to be a comedian that badly, why not do what others do and start from the bottom instead of trying to have his cake and eat it by getting gigs based off his WWE name? (Which he should've known would get him in trouble if caught)

jaykhunter · 07-01-2015 10:59pm

I get your point, but just because what WWE is doing is legal and wrestlers accept bad terms, doesn't mean it's right. More so, if the wrestling industry was bigger, or wrestlers themselves unionised, it wouldn't be like this. No other sport or television show gives their performers so little rights and benefits. It's like saying "Someone lost my pension but they found a legal loophole, so I can't complain".

It's also worth noting that due to Del Rio & Punk, WWE recently changed everyone's contract so that if they're fired, they forfeit merchandising royalites and working in another wrestling or MMA company for 1 year. It probably wouldn't stand up in court, if you can afford it.

Lithium93_ · 08-01-2015 1:56am

Daniel Bryan did an interview with MTV UK while recovering from surgery,
http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0107/588294/daniel-bryan-comments-on-a-match-with-brock-lesnar/

One of the things that kills me about this is if I were champion right now I'd be wrestling Brock Lesnar and that's the match I've always really wanted. I feel like we could do something completely different that people wouldn't have seen before in the United States. That's the match I really, really want.

rovert · 08-01-2015 2:20am

Fair play they are keeping kayfabe but imagine paying for a ticket for one of this weekend's shows:

– Erick Rowan and Ryback were both taken off this weekend’s house shows following their “firing” on Raw. Dolph Ziggler, as previously reported, was pulled from the live shows yesterday.

Angron · 08-01-2015 2:22am

Maybe they'll pull a Juan Cena or something?

Lithium93_ · 08-01-2015 2:46am

Sky Sports have revealed the locations for WWE's 2015 PPV's
http://www1.skysports.com/other-sports/news/14204/8909089/wwe-check-out-when-the-big-events-are-being-shown-on-sky-sports-box-office

February 22nd: Fast Lane, FedEx Forum in Memphis, TN
March 29th: WrestleMania 31, Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, CA
April 26th: Extreme Rules, Allstate Arena in Chicago, IL
May 17th: Payback, Royal Farms Arena in Baltimore, MD
June 14th: Money In the Bank, Nationwide Arena in Columbus, OH
July 19th: Battleground, Scottrade Center in St. Louis, MO
August 23rd: SummerSlam, Izod Center in East Rutherford, NJ
September 20th: Night of Champions, Toyota Center in Houston, TX
October 25th: Hell In a Cell, Staples Center in Los Angeles, CA
November 22nd: Survivor Series, Philips Arena in Atlanta, GA
December 13th: TLC, TD Garden in Boston, MA

A Rogue Hobo · 08-01-2015 4:31am

jaykhunter wrote: »

I get your point, but just because what WWE is doing is legal and wrestlers accept bad terms, doesn't mean it's right. More so, if the wrestling industry was bigger, or wrestlers themselves unionised, it wouldn't be like this. No other sport or television show gives their performers so little rights and benefits. It's like saying "Someone lost my pension but they found a legal loophole, so I can't complain".

It's also worth noting that due to Del Rio & Punk, WWE recently changed everyone's contract so that if they're fired, they forfeit merchandising royalites and working in another wrestling or MMA company for 1 year. It probably wouldn't stand up in court, if you can afford it.

I agree in the sense that all wrestlers should cop on, get together and unionise. In terms of WWE it's easily done, if half or more of your roster stop and drop WWE will cave. But obviously there is a lot of talent that don't want to unionise and for fair reasons too. WWE cover the costs of most surgeries and rehab that any active talent need. Also if talent unionised, wage caps and extra costs would be involved. Something most top talent in the business (Mostly mid to upper tier WWE talent don't want). Not to mention most likely royalties and bonuses for merch etc go out the window too. It's very much a reward the rich scam the poor system as it stands but that's how it is.

Punk for instance, is the most recent case of a top name bringing up the idea, which is fine. But he strikes me as someone who says things for the sake of it as opposed to actually knowing what he's talking about. If someone sat him down, pointed out the potential hundreds of thousands of dollars he could stand to lose from unionisation he'd have changed his tune pretty quick. Pretty evident by the fact he moaned about being an independent contractor for WWE, then jumped into being exactly the same thing for UFC. UFC fighters get health insurance yes, but that's about it, and unless you're a draw and are getting fight bonuses you are open to getting paid a small lump sum to risk getting beat up 3 times a year.

Hashtag_HEEL · 08-01-2015 8:32am

Imagine the drawing power of Erick Rowan? They should offer refunds if he's not on the show!

leggo · 08-01-2015 9:56am

A Rogue Hobo wrote: »

Punk for instance, is the most recent case of a top name bringing up the idea, which is fine. But he strikes me as someone who says things for the sake of it as opposed to actually knowing what he's talking about. If someone sat him down, pointed out the potential hundreds of thousands of dollars he could stand to lose from unionisation he'd have changed his tune pretty quick. Pretty evident by the fact he moaned about being an independent contractor for WWE, then jumped into being exactly the same thing for UFC. UFC fighters get health insurance yes, but that's about it, and unless you're a draw and are getting fight bonuses you are open to getting paid a small lump sum to risk getting beat up 3 times a year.

Great point. Don't be fooled, Punk says things that suit Punk, not anyone else. He's about as selfish a wrestler there is. What was his solution to 'save wrestling' after all that talk of there being so many things wrong with WWE? Push him and pay him a lot of money for it. Put him over Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker. You can't really take someone seriously who's trying to work the entire world into believing they deserve more money.

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