Costa Conundrum

PARlance · 28-10-2014 12:28am

OneColdHand wrote: »

PARlance, what are your thoughts on getting Costa back in? Happy to leave him out for a while?

I got rid last week, fully intending to get him back in this week, but now I'm not so sure!

Not exactly "happy" to leave him out if it's looking like he'll play.
But I've got Pelle & Welbeck and I fancy both their chances of points this week.
Costa would involve a hit, so if I expect those two to do something each... Say a conservative 5 points, then Costa needs to get into double figures really to pay off.

If he was to score 2 then you'd have to imagine he would be taken off. Game should be won if he scores 2 and I'd say they would protect him. So I'm looking at 13 points being worst case.

Thinking of banking my ft this week, if he does go nuts then I can get him in with 2ft's. That -4 hit is probably the key for me to not doing it.

That and the fact that he won't play

I do think there's a chance that he'll be lightly used against QPR even if he's fit. Why risk him against them at home.
I'd play Schrulle or Drogba up front for that if I was Jose.

Rikand · 28-10-2014 12:38am

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

km79 wrote: »

Unless costa gets a hat trick at the weekend. How do you get him back in ? Sell aguero ?

lol

dont know - cross that bridge when i come to it, haha

OneColdHand · 28-10-2014 12:42am

PARlance wrote: »

Not exactly "happy" to leave him out if it's looking like he'll play.
But I've got Pelle & Welbeck and I fancy both their chances of points this week.
Costa would involve a hit, so if I expect those two to do something each... Say a conservative 5 points, then Costa needs to get into double figures really to pay off.

If he was to score 2 then you'd have to imagine he would be taken off. Game should be won if he scores 2 and I'd say they would protect him. So I'm looking at 13 points being worst case.

Thinking of banking my ft this week, if he does go nuts then I can get him in with 2ft's. That -4 hit is probably the key for me to not doing it.

That and the fact that he won't play
I do think there's a chance that he'll be lightly used against QPR even if he's fit. Why risk him against them at home.
I'd play Schrulle or Drogba up front for that if I was Jose.

Yeah, see I have 2FTs, and enough money to do a straight sway in for Pelle. So its a tough decision. But can see in your case that it might make more sense to wait a few weeks.

km79 · 28-10-2014 10:00am

Selling for Aguero

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

There is talk rooney is injured and a doubt for the city game.

just read the guardian article . its a pity as it in it states he is the all time top scorer in the derby with ,11 in 22 games and 5 in last 4 at etihad.......

Iused2likebusts · 28-10-2014 10:03am

Im going to keep costa this week and then sell him. Im getting in hazard so will go with hazard and fab as my 2 chelsea attackers after this week. Im thinking this supposed Op will happen after the liverpool game. If the op is required its the ideal time to do it. 1 mourinho can annoy spain by withdrawing costa from international duty 2. He will be 2 weeks into his recovery before chelsea play again 3. Remy will be fit again 4. Chelsea should be qualified for the next stage of the CL. 5. They will be top of the league and he will only miss league games against wba sunderland spurs newcastle and maybe Hull.

dahat · 28-10-2014 12:55pm

Selling for Aguero

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Im going to keep costa this week and then sell him. Im getting in hazard so will go with hazard and fab as my 2 chelsea attackers after this week. Im thinking this supposed Op will happen after the liverpool game. If the op is required its the ideal time to do it. 1 mourinho can annoy spain by withdrawing costa from international duty 2. He will be 2 weeks into his recovery before chelsea play again 3. Remy will be fit again 4. Chelsea should be qualified for the next stage of the CL. 5. They will be top of the league and he will only miss league games against wba sunderland spurs newcastle and maybe Hull.

Exact same convo I had with a workmate not 5 mins ago.
Chelsea would be nuts to leave the op any longer.

dahat · 28-10-2014 1:27pm

Selling for Aguero

Why not just replace him with Remy when he is fit as I think this is when Costa has the op.

Dirt cheap as well.

manual_man · 28-10-2014 1:48pm

Selling for Aguero

Don't be surprised if the operation is put off til the end of the season

Iused2likebusts · 28-10-2014 2:00pm

manual_man wrote: »

Don't be surprised if the operation is put off til the end of the season

if they delay the op he will have to miss league games over the next two months if he cant play games in quick succession. There is a midweek round of league games early dec so chelsea have 3 league games in 7 days and then we have the xmas period. If all this injury stuff we are reading is true he has to miss 2 out of the 8 league games between the next int break and the new year. Then again didnt mourinho play him in the CL game at sporting so you wouldnt know what to believe.

Bleating Lamb · 28-10-2014 3:23pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Where is Costa on the accurate sites in relation to taking a price drop again??
.....if he's close I might ship him out,he has lost enough in last few wks while sitting on bench already:(
Does it look like he's missing for QPR?
Thanks for any views.
B.L.

FutureGuy · 28-10-2014 3:28pm

I'm mulling over the idea of dropping Costa entirely AT LEAST until he gets the complete all clear, if not for good.

Hazard and Fabregas would cover alot of Costa's points and, he is not a brilliant captain choice either. 1 goal and no bonus isn't exactly great returns for the armband and I think Aguero may be a better choice most weeks.

In fact, over the next two months, I think Aguero is a better captain choice than costa in 75% of gameweeks and in weeks where Costa was a better choice, it's not a huge difference in terms of fixture difficulty.

So 11m for a player who will not keep up a better-than-goal-per-game strike rate or opt for someone like Sakho/Beharinho and put 5m into another player like Hazard/Sanchez?

Finally, Chelsea never look like they want to put a team to the sword in the way City do. Once they go 2-0 up, they just see out the result and if Costa has score less than a goal and an assist in that situation, he is going to be in a tough race for bonus every week vs assisters and defenders with cleanies.

I'm on the fence right now.

Bleating Lamb · 28-10-2014 3:37pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm mulling over the idea of dropping Costa entirely until he gets the complete all clear.

Hazard and Fabregas would cover alot of Costa's points and, he is not a brilliant captain choice either. 1 goal and no bonus isn't exactly great returns for the armband and I think Aguero may be a better choice most weeks.

In fact, over the next two months, I think Aguero is a better captain choice than costa in 75% of gameweeks and in weeks where Costa was a better choice, it's not a huge difference in terms of fixture difficulty.

So 11m for a player who will not keep up a better-than-goal-per-game strike rate or opt for someone like Sakho/Beharinho and put 5m into another player like Hazard.

Finally, Chelsea never look like they want to put a team to the sword in the way City do. Once they go 2-0 up, they just see out the result and if Costa has score less than a goal and an assist in that situation, he is going to be in a tough race for bonus every week vs assisters and defenders with cleanies.

I'm on the fence right now.

Am thinking like yourself....that's why I'm wondering what chances are of him losing value again soon are??
Check cos I think Sakho might be injured now.

OneColdHand · 28-10-2014 3:39pm

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Am thinking like yourself....that's why I'm wondering what chances are of him losing value again soon are??
Check cos I think Sakho might be injured now.

It's pretty safe to assume he'll fall again before the week is out.

extra gravy · 28-10-2014 3:41pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm mulling over the idea of dropping Costa entirely AT LEAST until he gets the complete all clear, if not for good.

Hazard and Fabregas would cover alot of Costa's points and, he is not a brilliant captain choice either. 1 goal and no bonus isn't exactly great returns for the armband and I think Aguero may be a better choice most weeks.

In fact, over the next two months, I think Aguero is a better captain choice than costa in 75% of gameweeks and in weeks where Costa was a better choice, it's not a huge difference in terms of fixture difficulty.

So 11m for a player who will not keep up a better-than-goal-per-game strike rate or opt for someone like Sakho/Beharinho and put 5m into another player like Hazard/Sanchez?

Finally, Chelsea never look like they want to put a team to the sword in the way City do. Once they go 2-0 up, they just see out the result and if Costa has score less than a goal and an assist in that situation, he is going to be in a tough race for bonus every week vs assisters and defenders with cleanies.

I'm on the fence right now.

Thinking along these lines too.. Current front line is Aguero, Pelle and Welbeck and with the money I have from selling Costa last week I could get Baines and Hazard/Sanchez in. It's certainly appealing and worth considering.

internet_user · 28-10-2014 3:45pm

Selling for Aguero

Considering shipping him out too as I've lost enough value in him as it is..nobody really jumps out at me however to bring in..

FutureGuy · 28-10-2014 3:53pm

internet_user wrote: »

Considering shipping him out too as I've lost enough value in him as it is..nobody really jumps out at me however to bring in..

FFF have him as possibly dropping again tonight.

IsMiseMyself · 28-10-2014 4:20pm

Selling for Aguero

Bony could be an okay alternative to Costa. No one really seems to have him and he seems to have caught form. Swansea and Everton play each other this weekend which is somewhat of a deterrent, but I might go Jagielka-->Baines and Costa -->Bony.

Dunno. I'm slightly scared Costa will play this weekend and score a hat-trick, which is why I can't quite bring myself to sell him yet.

Rikand · 28-10-2014 4:36pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Costa coming out this evening for me.

Gonna drop my wildcard and reshape my team. If Costa gets sorted out, then so be it, we'll find some way of getting him back in at a later date, but for now, he's a goner.

Wombatman · 28-10-2014 5:11pm

Selling for Aguero

IsMiseMyself wrote: »

Bony could be an okay alternative to Costa. No one really seems to have him and he seems to have caught form. Swansea and Everton play each other this weekend which is somewhat of a deterrent, but I might go Jagielka-->Baines and Costa -->Bony.

Dunno. I'm slightly scared Costa will play this weekend and score a hat-trick, which is why I can't quite bring myself to sell him yet.

Everton away, Arsenal home and Man City away. Wouldn't touch Bony for a few weeks.

Ziegler1988 · 28-10-2014 5:37pm

Selling for Welbeck/Lukaku/Berahino/etc.

Wombatman wrote: »

Everton away, Arsenal home and Man City away. Wouldn't touch Bony for a few weeks.

He was fixture proof the second half of last season

dahat · 28-10-2014 6:04pm

Selling for Aguero

Selling Costa when he will face QPR sat is mad IMO,, likely he will get 60mins at least.

Swiper the fox · 28-10-2014 6:12pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm mulling over the idea of dropping Costa entirely AT LEAST until he gets the complete all clear, if not for good.

Hazard and Fabregas would cover alot of Costa's points and, he is not a brilliant captain choice either. 1 goal and no bonus isn't exactly great returns for the armband and I think Aguero may be a better choice most weeks.

In fact, over the next two months, I think Aguero is a better captain choice than costa in 75% of gameweeks and in weeks where Costa was a better choice, it's not a huge difference in terms of fixture difficulty.

So 11m for a player who will not keep up a better-than-goal-per-game strike rate or opt for someone like Sakho/Beharinho and put 5m into another player like Hazard/Sanchez?

Finally, Chelsea never look like they want to put a team to the sword in the way City do. Once they go 2-0 up, they just see out the result and if Costa has score less than a goal and an assist in that situation, he is going to be in a tough race for bonus every week vs assisters and defenders with cleanies.

I'm on the fence right now.

Very good post, the highlighted part is the most effective argument for me in leaving Costa out of my team for the time being. They had so many chances to kill off united but continued playing the ball backwards. I think the almost 4m saving on Costa vs Welbeck (my choice of replacement) can be invested better elsewhere so as to make it worthwhile.
Like you say Futureguy, Aguero is likely to be my default captain also, he could have easily had a hat trick on Saturday despite not playing particularly well, hit the crossbar, brought two very good saves from Adrian, couple of penalty claims. I'd captain Aguero against anyone safe in the knowledge that if city have the upper hand they will try to score 5 or 6 goals, you just know that Chelsea are satisfied with a 1-0 against the top teams.

Antibac · 28-10-2014 6:20pm

Selling for Aguero

dahat wrote: »

Selling Costa when he will face QPR sat is mad IMO,, likely he will get 60mins at least.

Reckon this is what will happen and the he will be off "injured" and miss the internationals

PARlance · 28-10-2014 6:21pm

Looks like we'll have to order some more gin for our next gathering

L.S.F · 28-10-2014 7:00pm

I lost out slightly by not selling him sooner. paid £10.9m for him, should of sold and got the extra few .'s and then brought him back in for the cheaper price. Swapped him for Pelle just in case he loses more value

Lemlin · 28-10-2014 7:53pm

Selling for Aguero

Has anyone confirmed any of this Costa info bar the Daily Mail? They said Costa was out for six weeks pre the Everton game and I know how that ended!

The one hole I would pick in the easy fixtures argument is that Chelsea didn't lose the title last season due to their results against better teams.

They lost the title due to their results against the likes of Villa, Sunderland and Palace where they struggled to break defensive teams down. This is exactly why Costa, a superb finisher, was purchased.

Iused2likebusts · 28-10-2014 8:45pm

Drogba starting tonight says to me that Costa will be fit for the weekend. They are asking a 36 yr old to play 2 games in 48 hours be very surprised they would risk that if drogba was to be there only fit striker for the weekend.

internet_user · 28-10-2014 9:21pm

Selling for Aguero

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Drogba starting tonight says to me that Costa will be fit for the weekend. They are asking a 36 yr old to play 2 games in 48 hours be very surprised they would risk that if drogba was to be there only fit striker for the weekend.

Yeah good shout, think I'll hold for now anyway..looks like drogba took a bit of a knock there too

FHFC · 28-10-2014 9:31pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

internet_user wrote: »

Yeah good shout, think I'll hold for now anyway..looks like drogba took a bit of a knock there too

No way I'll be selling before QPR, value be damned.

28-10-2014 9:53pm

Selling for Aguero

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Drogba starting tonight says to me that Costa will be fit for the weekend. They are asking a 36 yr old to play 2 games in 48 hours be very surprised they would risk that if drogba was to be there only fit striker for the weekend.

I thanked this post because I very much want this to be true. I'll have my rivals gain ground on me this weekend of Costa doesn't play.

jamesbere · 28-10-2014 10:04pm

I'll take a risk Costa is fit for the weekend. Nothing has convinced me that he'll be out for a number of weeks.

Bleating Lamb · 28-10-2014 10:27pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

After biting the bullet and shipping Costa out for Pelle,had to swop Bertrand to Baines as had Clyne,Bertrand and Forster the last few weeks.
Here's hoping Costa takes a well deserved break for a while:)

dahat · 28-10-2014 10:33pm

Selling for Aguero

FHFC wrote: »

No way I'll be selling before QPR, value be damned.

I honestly think people are mad selling before Saturdays game. At this point Costa could be a differntial come Saturday.

Ziegler1988 · 28-10-2014 10:55pm

Selling for Welbeck/Lukaku/Berahino/etc.

Things are grand once you free yourself of the Costranglehold

Rikand · 28-10-2014 11:00pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Did Jose say anything about him tonight ?

Lemlin · 28-10-2014 11:01pm

Selling for Aguero

From Ben Dinnery at FPL Injuries:

"Story originated from one interview -- not even sure #Costa needs surgery".

honeybear · 28-10-2014 11:01pm

I feel like just giving my ff account details and letting somebody get rid of him for me...I can't do it myself but am sick of not knowing whether he will start

dahat · 28-10-2014 11:15pm

Selling for Aguero

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Things are grand once you free yourself of the Costranglehold

Easy say that now, wait till the weekend panic sets in especially when he knocks in a goal after 10mins...

Ziegler1988 · 28-10-2014 11:29pm

Selling for Welbeck/Lukaku/Berahino/etc.

dahat wrote: »

Easy say that now, wait till the weekend panic sets in especially when he knocks in a goal after 10mins...

Would be a sickener if he gets a hat trick for sure, but I'm happier with Pelle and Baines at the moment. Once Pelle's fixtures get sticky or Welbeck continues to underwhelm I'll reassess

FHFC · 28-10-2014 11:32pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Lemlin wrote: »

From Ben Dinnery at FPL Injuries:

"Story originated from one interview -- not even sure #Costa needs surgery".

Having just got back to wifi land and been able to get caught up on my google research I'm at a loss to know what all the fuss is about really.

There is practically nothing on an alleged operation other than one journalist/ pundits 'inside' view/opinion in an interview with NBC Sports.

There are numerous quotes from Jose saying he expects Costa to play this Saturday having had a further week to recover. Matic is quoted saying he trained last Saturday but felt still some pain so they decided not to risk him. Reading some of the forum you'd nearly believe he was prepped on an operating table as we speak and not gonna play for the forseeable.

Unless he has a further injury setback (which of course is not impossible) I'd 100% expect him to play on Saturday. And the beast is sure to be hungry at this stage......

PARlance · 28-10-2014 11:37pm

Costa owners be crazy

Shedite27 · 28-10-2014 11:44pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Chelsea FC @chelseafc · 32m 32 minutes ago
Mourinho says that 'normally' Diego Costa and Ramires will be available for our game against QPR. #CFCLive

NabyLadistheman · 28-10-2014 11:45pm

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Shedite27 wrote: »

Chelsea FC @chelseafc · 32m 32 minutes ago
Mourinho says that 'normally' Diego Costa and Ramires will be available for our game against QPR. #CFCLive

Maybe this isn't a normal situation!

extra gravy · 28-10-2014 11:48pm

I don't think I've ever seen a manager say so much while actually saying so little! We're still none the wiser after that gem.

Mr.Prodston · 29-10-2014 12:05am

Shedite27 wrote: »

Chelsea FC @chelseafc · 32m 32 minutes ago
Mourinho says that 'normally' Diego Costa and Ramires will be available for our game against QPR. #CFCLive

Normally you say?

*cocks shotgun*

FHFC · 29-10-2014 12:07am

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

There are plenty of much clearer cut quotes....

"I think so. QPR, one week more, I hope so,” said Mourinho, when asked about Costa’s availability for the game at the weekend.

Nemanja Matic confirmed Costa pulled out of the squad on the day before the match at Old Trafford. “We found out Saturday,” said the midfielder. “He trained with us but I think he felt some more pain and the club didn’t want to risk him. Of course we need him but the most important thing is to be healthy and to be prepared for the next games."

Both from the Guardian.

km79 · 29-10-2014 12:27am

Selling for Aguero

stop trying to console yereselves non owner/sellers
he is playing

think I'll sell him after that purely as he is really annoying me every week with the will he won't he

Rikand · 29-10-2014 1:19am

Already sold him (*cough* PARlance *cough*)

Im starting to feel better having shipped him

jive · 29-10-2014 3:15am

Selling for Aguero

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2811761/Diego-Costa-Ramires-fit-Chelsea-face-QPR-west-London-derby-claims-boss-Jose-Mourinho.html

The Wild Bunch · 29-10-2014 7:56am

Selling for Pelle

gerrr in

Costa Conundrum

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