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The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam



    @Cavan_King

    OK we get that you're not over the moon with the appointment.....

    But would you not agree that changing everything especially S&C in which we were equal or ahead of most teams we played against would be a bad move?

    I've no idea of what went on behind the scenes last year apart from the gossip on barstools and online maybe you can enlighten us?

    It's going to be a baptism of fire in the league so hopefully he freshens up the panel



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Andre Quinn is employed full time by the Co board, would be odd if he wasn't there. Cavan are one of the few counties without a full time S/C coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I was picking up on your alleged point that he “released the entire back room team”. It clearly isn’t correct. Two of the most important positions remain. Coach is arguably the most important.

    I’ve heard great things about Burke and was enthused about his appointment this year but then I saw the mess we were on the pitch in the latter stages of the League and championship. We can only hope now that Graham was to blame and the shackles will be let off with a faster transition but I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Re Andre Quinn, were we equal or ahead of Armagh or Down? I don’t think so. Were posters on here not saying we looked sluggish? Do we not have an S&C and management team speaking about lads needing 18 months or so to get conditioned for intercounty football yet Meath breezed in a load of new lads and won the cup we didn’t win? Why were we playing so many players who clearly weren’t match fit in games?

    I don’t know about online rumours or barstool rumours. The stuff I hear is at games I attend and people I meet. I must be in the minority though because I’m about the only person commenting on the ongoing club championships on here.

    You hope he freshens up the panel, do you believe he will having been an integral part of it for the last decade?



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭KeepTheFaith


    I think you're getting confused. I said "releasing the entire backroom team" meaning releasing the names of all 20 individuals that would be involved. I don't recall this having been done with previous appointments, it's usually just manager coaches and selectors that are named.

    Heaping criticism on Galligan when hasn't been in charge 24 hours is pathetic and tiresome.



  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭mogue77


    I same as you was very enthusiastic with Burke’s appointment and early few league games I was impressed and thought that how they were playing was all down to him then something changed and they went back into their shell I’d like to give him another go, also I would like to see Raymond getting in brian O’Connell, darragh Lovett, get James smith and Thomas galligan back get paddy Meade and Jordan Morris .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Morris will stay with Meath. Thomas Galligan went travelling for 2 years. Spent the summer in Boston then planned to go to Australia. Whether having his cousin as manager changes that.

    Caoimhin O Reilly might be worth a recall. Playing well with the club. Shane Sexton of cootehill could be worth a look too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Hold your horses there. Who is heaping criticism on Galligan?

    I think you’ll find it is the recent management team & setup I am criticising, as a change is clearly needed, I don’t think anyone is arguing that - yet, at the same time, Galligan has been the captain under that setup for a number of years.

    I already raised this back when the names were initially announced and my opinion hasn’t changed.

    I’d appreciate if you didn’t try to twist the point to suit your narrative.

    You said you hope he freshens up the panel but then ignored my query of whether you think he actually will given he was on it for the last decade?



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    I think it will tell a tale how things will progress by who exactly Ray can convince to stay on the panel and come back to the panel? If he is having no joy there then I would be concerned. Would need to see Gearoid stay (and properly developed as a Full Forward), Thomas Galligan and of course James Smith. How are Faulkner, Clarke, McLoughlin and lads at that age thinking - can he convince them to stay. If we an exodus then he will have failed at his first and maybe most important task I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭KeepTheFaith


    I didn't say I hoped he freshened up the panel I said he needs to start replacing ageing stalwarts. I think he will do that because he has no other option.

    I think it's naive to think that he has the guts to retire, go straight for the managers job, assembled a good backroom team but won't have the conviction to drop lads he's familiar with if necessary. You're presuming he's going to be loyal to the detriment of the team, surely give him a chance to prove himself.

    You have recently said that the standard around the county is poor. We all know there is no conveyor belt in terms of underage coming through. Where do you think he can pull these quality young players from to step straight into Div 2 and Ulster Championship?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    It's time to move on from a lot of those lads and Graham probably should have started that process last year.

    If Mickey Harte came in and they didn't stay on would that be a failure on Mickeys Harte?



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    I agree we have to move on from those lads but there is a gradual phasing out required. We cannot go in, axe 6/7 starters up the spine of your team and replace with new young lads of standard we dont even know while maintaining some sort of performance level - not possible. In addition I would also say last years biggest failing was the way we played games and how we set up in games rather than individual poor performances. There are miles left in those boys yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    It's a pity that the County board haven't done a deal with clubber tv for the streaming of the club matches €100 for the year and you get the games from every other county that use them plus other sports that they stream.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    The League of Ireland has LOITV pass for 120e a season, including Cup games. 36 League games and you can watch as many league games as you want and not a select few.

    150 for the Cavan Championship is far too steep, on a poor enough quality stream.



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭KeepTheFaith


    Gowna couldn't even beat the Fermanagh Champions and Crosserlough couldn't beat Gowna and have constantly came up short in Championship since 2020.

    We're going to rebuild our County side with lads from those teams that aren't already involved? Which players specifically are you talking about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Apologies, I mixed your post up with the one from Cavan4Sam re freshening up the panel. Gowna & Crosserlough are the best of a bad bunch as I’ve already said previous to the management announcement.

    They have a lot of players in there but they do have players coming through at underage level and also I’d be looking at Oran Rehill, Peter Smith (best player in the League final), David Shalvey, young Brady that marked Canavan in the U20 final (is he Fionn?), Conor Casey & then Ryan McGahern should get more playing time. There’s six off the top of my head.

    There’s not much about to shake up the panel. It’s more about getting players to commit that haven’t or wouldn’t. Getting James Smith back in is vital. There are others like Fergal McKenna from Laragh who haven’t been asked and would add some steel.

    Somebody mentioned Thomas Galligan - one of the Lacken players mentioned in an interview that he’s gone for two years and they seemed fairly definite about it.

    It’s more a change of culture and momentum that is needed. We need to transition the ball at speed. That has been obvious for years. Dublin just won the All Ireland because they countered alot quicker than Kerry.

    Eamonn Murray is in there and the Meath Ladies didn’t exactly play a very expansive game under him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭benjy1000


    I’m assuming galligan will not be a player manager, then again if what’s coming up isn’t cutting the mustard then sure he might put himself back in goals & Murray work the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    He’s retired from intercounty playing. Actually, given I think he played every minute of every game under Graham, when was the last time a different keeper played? Must have been James Farrelly under McGleenan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Galligan could easily have played on a few more years. Cluxton is 5 years older and likely to get his 7th All Star.

    Galligan was a very good keeper for Cavan. Excellent in 2020. He needs to get a reliable replacement as keeper is very important nowadays. Liam Brady a capable replacement,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    A good second half by Killygarry after a very flat first half. Conor Smith was impressive . Cavan Gaels very ordinary without Gearoid McKiernan. The Shehu brothers are very athletic but can't score. Missed 4 or 5. Paul O Connor was decent in the first half from frees but poor in second half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Cian Keaney looks a bit light at this level but was very impressive when he came on. Conor Smith, like a lot of the Killygarry team, only got into it in the second half.

    Their kicks out in the first half were poor. Landing it out on top of Daniel Walsh and he wasn’t winning it.

    The Gaels had looked impressive first half but looked equally as ordinary in the second.

    No points from 2 games leaves them with an uphill battle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    The Gaels did look decent in the first half. Padraig Sexton showed well at centre forward. But killygarry didn't play with much intensity. Maybe if was knockout would have been different. You could win the Tyrone championship in 4 games, takes 4 games to reach quarter final in Cavan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Ray Galligan gone off for Lacken. Shoulder injury and looks in considerable pain. Huge blow for Lacken.

    edit: apparently a temp sub now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    I see Barry Watters has transferred back to Drung. Playing in Louth the past few years with Dundalk Gaels. Paul Smith the ex Castlerahan player plays with Geraldines in Louth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Knockbride scored 7-17 against Kildallon. Knockbride are good with lots of underage talent. Playing in Division 1 next year . But that is some hammering and no benefit to either team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Knockbride are strong alright but they need to get out of Junior. They’ve been there far too long with the calibre of player they’ve developed - sure they have been competing in minor Div 1 finals.

    Young Fionan Brady from Gowna did a fine job on Shane Tierney down in Kilnaleck just now. It’s lucky for Ray Galligan I picked him out when he’s reading this thread.

    The mighty Lough gave Laragh a bit of hope for all of ten minutes last night and then went into second gear to trounce them. Still plenty to go yet.

    Post edited by Cavan_King on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Intermediate is fairly competitive. Killenkere beating Cuchullains today. Cuchullains in 10th place going into the final round,in danger of not making the quarter finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Cuchulainns play a very boring brand of football. A lot of men behind the ball and a slow transition. They’ve a young team and seem to have peaked in the League.

    I’d expect them to beat the Reds but they’ll get nothing there easily either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    Not sure if he has room for another selector on his panel😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Eamonn Murray was watching his home club yesterday so they well watched from within the selectors anyway!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Liam McHale left the Mayo setup as he felt they should play a different style. Hopefully all the Cavan management are in sync.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Anyone else attend any games over the weekend then?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Senior championship hasn't been great. A few one sided games. Castlerahan a good bit off from the team of 18 and 19. A few teams going through the motions. Maybe they will lift it in final 2 rounds.

    I don't think the co board sticking games at 5 pm on Sunday does anything. Just putting games in Breffni for the sake of itm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Gowna & Crosserlough are ahead of the pack. There’s a group behind of Kingscourt, Ramor, Killygarry and possibly the Gaels but after that the standard is very poor.

    It’ll be between Rahan, Lavey, Ballinagh & probably Lacken for relegation.

    The winners of the games this weekend are easy to pick unfortunately.

    There was a game at 7 last night in Breffni and there is most Sundays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Yes but the Junior game at 5 wouldn't have got many neutrals. Mountnugent and Swad. Why have them teams waiting around most of the day when they could play it elsewhere at 2.

    The Senior games would get a following



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I didn’t even know there was a junior game so you’re right there. The standard of some of the senior games is poor. I can only imagine what it’s like as you go down the grades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    Scoring Difference is not been used in the Junior Championship this year apparently if teams are level on points after the group stages.

    It will go to head to head if the teams have played each other does anyone know what happens if there are three teams level on points?

    It also looks like Knockbride and Arva will have to play off to see who is 1st and 2nd in the group provided they win there last games.

    Has anyone seen what has been sent to the clubs from the County board in relation to this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Was discussed this week on the podcast. Apparently if two clubs are on the same points, they can opt not to have a play off and a different system will be used - going on juvenile comps, that might be toss of a coin.

    It shows that none of the club delegates at the County Board meetings are reading what’s being put in front of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Laragh Vs the Gaels is being billed as the big tie of the round tonight but I think the Gaels will win it comfortably, even without McKiernan.

    The Laragh lads seem to be happy enough just winning the odd game at this level and hanging on to their senior status.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Donegal accepting pay at the gate at their club championship games. Leitrim were doing it last year and I think Longford. Meath LGFA also doing it

    It should be the way in all counties.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭mogue77


    I think you can still pay in at Leitrim club games, ours should be still this way, it’s not fair on older people that haven’t the phones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    Even if you could tap the bank card it would be easier there are not many who don't have bank cards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    It should be catered for both card and cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    Ulster Rugby are playing a pre-season game in Breffni Saturday the 7th of October the pitch could be in bits for the club finals the following week if there is a wet spell around that time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    I assume something to do with Kingspan. Could they not find another rugby pitch to dig up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    If you go to the right man at Breffni or any ground, you can pay into any game.

    I ventured up to Mullagh this evening and my problem was not a bit of coverage and I had forgot to download the ticket to Clubspot. I could get the receipt email open though and they accepted it.

    Ramor looked fairly ordinary. Barkey & Cole both went off injured. No sign of McCrystal that did well last week. They did what they had to though in fairness.

    Lavey will do well to avoid relegation. Their important players are aging. A few Ramor people I spoke to mentioned Mullahoran are the worst senior team they have seen in a good few years without Killian Brady though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    They should just make it official like other counties,instead of a nudge and wink..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I just walk up to the entrance, say I didn’t manage to get a ticket and hand them the entrance fee. Usually they’ll either take it or say “go to *****, he’s handling the cash”.

    Not sure too many on here would need to worry about it other than the pair of us. Doesn’t seem to be alot of other posters attending club games or watching them from the lack of comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    I see the Junior has ended up in a right mess. Teams back out on Wednesday in playoffs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    That's some about of matches before even reaching the quarter finals. I suppose replays are included in the play offs aswell and not extra time?



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