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http://binged.it/PUm1JZ - Earthwork remains of the Medieval Town of Kilbixy in Westmeath
http://binged.it/PUmETM - Extensive earthworks around Abbeyshrule, Longford..
http://binged.it/PUnQXs - Extremely interesting this one.. Huge circular feature 250m in diameter.... You can make out two/three concentric Ditches in the Northern portion of it, and a concentric raised bank demarking the south edge of it... Lots of other associated earthworks.. Quite the massive feature... There's a listing of a couple of barrows a bit to the south on the monument record, but no listing of this earthwork.. I'm thinking no one knows about it... Any thoughts!? I'm thinking along the lines of a Fortified Iron Age Settlement....
Got some feedback on this site today, an archaeologist from the NMS paid it a visit:
A Good Result methinks!I carried out fieldwalking in the area that you highlighted from google maps. The earthworks that you identified appear to form part of an extensive field system formed by curving drainage channels located between two streams. The curving earthworks do not form a circular enclosure but instead represent drainage channels that are curving around the base of a low hill forming the partial double enclosing ditches that you see you see on the aerial photographs. The fields that these earthworks are located are very wet and the ditches are an attempt to provide small slightly raised dry paddocks for agricultural purposes. When these are traced on the ground you can see clearly that they terminate where they hit naturally dry ground and therefore do not form an enclosing element around the base of this low hill. However within this pattern of drainge channels and small fields there is a raised circular platform c. 30m in diameter and c. 2m high similar to a type of monument known in Ireland as a raised rath or platform ringfort which is an unrecorded monument dating from the early Christian period. I have plotted and surveyed this new monument which will be uploaded in the near future onto our website www.archaeology.ie0 -
Here's what Aidan O'Sullivan said in the Sunday Times article (28/10/12) on the discovery at Tara.
Congratulations, Simon.dJust as amateur astronomers use telescopes in back gardens to identify distant galactic objects and then contact professional astronomers to get confirmation, so too could amateur archaeologists....
...With ordinary people working with institutes, universities like UCD, or museums, the prospect for archaeological discoveries is great.
(I had a feeling the ditches were connected with drainage one way or the other)0 -
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They're odd.http://binged.it/YENGUd - No listing, an assortment of rectilinear features in Co. Waterford
First thought was that they were field walls but each one is discrete. Walled gardens perhaps? The layout is not dissimilar to a formal knot garden.
The nearby house seems not to be the sort that would have had such gardens.
There is no sign of earlier field boundaries aligning with the earthworks, nor indeed any depiction of walled gardens, on either the 1st or 2nd edition maps.
I think we can rule out their being modern on the basis that they exist only as crop marks in the 2005 orthophotography.
The house has 'a pump' noted in the 2nd edition map.
Might this give a clue - could they be remnants of ponds?
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I found this on Ballydurn, in case you hadn't seen it.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=4201
I'm further West so not of much help to you, unless I got a chance to go to the library, there are records available to peruse there. If I do I'll post on here, but I'm pretty busy so unlikely in near future
there must have been a big house, just found this : http://www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/stradbally/captain-james-barron/Other fine houses with the Barron’s were; Carrigbarahane House, Georgestown House, Hermitage alias Abbey Lodge, Seafield(Later the birth place of Mark Anthony),Durrow(home of Philip Barron Irish Scolar), Ballyneale (Bishop Barron), Ballydurne and Ballymacart(Old Parish)0 -
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Mountainsandh wrote: »I found this on Ballydurn, in case you hadn't seen it.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=4201
I'm further West so not of much help to you, unless I got a chance to go to the library, there are records available to peruse there. If I do I'll post on here, but I'm pretty busy so unlikely in near future
there must have been a big house, just found this : http://www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/stradbally/captain-james-barron/
Found a map from c1750 of the county by Charles Smith.. The little house symbol is defined in the legend as a Seat, and as you can see there's one at "Ballydawn".. The Civil survey of c1650 lists no building in the townland, so It's looks like the chronology fits in well with that article on the Barrons.. So could be the remnants of a big house that was built c1700, that fell into ruin before that century came to a close..
John Barron, born 1718, (Grandson of Captain James Barron referenced in the article above), who lived in Ballydurne: http://www.thepeerage.com/p26692.htm#i266911 .0 -
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Was out this morning at Crooke Castle ( http://binged.it/RuG43D ), a one time Templar Knight stronghold in Waterford. The following is a stiched image, made up of many combined photos automatically assembled. The low lying winter sun helped in highlighting the many linears (and circulars?)(high res image here):
Output from a photogrammetric model of the site. The animation shows a changing light angle, to show up the different features:
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http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/
WA013-009 has it as...
'Marked faintly as a circular enclosure (diam. c. 35m) on the 1840 ed. of OS 6-inch map, and situated in pasture on an E-facing slope.
It is not visible at ground level.'
"Archaeological Inventory of Waterford" 1999 Rev. 2009 .
The 'dog's leg in the field boundary to the East, points very nicely to the enclosure.
The enclosure may still be visible in the Bing image today.
The second edition map shows a lime kiln, just south across the Doon (?) road, so perhaps some of the other earthworks in the field were connected to the workings of the lime kiln.0 -
you're probably right. The pocmarks (spelling
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I think the standing stone is around the location of that little circular mark, not sure though, I need to stop and look (and click) again.
The area is full of lime kilns, never really saw any earthworks associated with them though.0 -
The standing stone is probably there to serve the needs of animals - it's probably not from antiquity.Mountainsandh wrote: »you're probably right. The pocmarks (spelling) could simply be rain draining from the hill to the left, there are a few around the area, albeit usually muddier and smaller.
I think the standing stone is around the location of that little circular mark, not sure though, I need to stop and look (and click) again.
The area is full of lime kilns, never really saw any earthworks associated with them though.
That said, I like the possibility that it came from the enclosure.
This is a brilliant time of year for photographing earth shapes.
Early morning, and evening low angle sunlight can often reveal more than aerial views. If you can get to a slightly more elevated vantage point - when the shadows are lengthening - it can be a revelation.0 -
Was out this morning at Crooke Castle ( http://binged.it/RuG43D ), a one time Templar Knight stronghold in Waterford. The following is a stiched image, made up of many combined photos automatically assembled. The low lying winter sun helped in highlighting the many linears (and circulars?)(high res image here):
Output from a photogrammetric model of the site. The animation shows a changing light angle, to show up the different features:
Was that the balloon and the camera again Simon? Its a great job.
Do you have a look at bing systemically or how do you go about it?0 -
@Simon d. - our photographics whizkid
Can you share with us how you stitched those images together?
Another thing I'd love to be able to do, is lay one image over another with a controllable degree of transparency - a transparency overlay similar to the OSI site. It would be very useful indeed.
Any suggestions?
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And here's a simple image of a field.
With low angle winter sunlight, four or five old field walls are revealed, as well as a double ditch and bank, and old plough ridges.
These features are not visible under any other light conditions.
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Very happy with the detail I must say.. I do it with a remote controlled plane with a small camera strapped to it's belly.. So much more fun than a balloon! Fly above the site for 15 minutes or so, with camera snapping every 5 seconds, and then head home to process the results... My main enemy with this type of setup is motion blur, so good light and minimal speed is critical to get this level of detail..Was that the balloon and the camera again Simon? Its a great job.slowburner wrote: »@Simon d. - our photographics whizkid
Can you share with us how you stitched those images together?
Another thing I'd love to be able to do, is lay one image over another with a controllable degree of transparency - a transparency overlay similar to the OSI site. It would be very useful indeed.
Any suggestions?
Stiching I did with Microsoft's "Image Composite Editor".. Very easy to use..
For layering images I use GIMP (a free photoshop clone).. There's a transparency bar for each layer, so you've full control.. Take's a bit of getting used to though, but it's great software when you get the hang of it.. And free!.. The GIF animation above was also generated using this program..0 -
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Just thought I'd share this.
Here's a screenshot of something which looks remarkably like a faint drawing of an enclosure.
But I think it's just a blob.
No sign of it in the coloured edition.
Any thoughts?
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slowburner wrote: »There's no sign of it on the OSI 1st or 2n editions - I think it makes sense to conclude that the orthogonal feature (actually two orthogonals) is post 1860.
More than likely later C.19th landscaping - that's my humble, but I formally request a second opinion.
For a moment, I thought you'd found conclusive evidence of a Roman villa, or some such.
Interesting area all the same.
I'm thinking it predates c1850 for the simple reason that the field boundary that seems to cut the feature has remained unchanged over the two OSIs.
Found this historical reference to a potential castle in the townland
I've found a 13th century reference to a Norman by the name of Sir Thomas de Wancy, who acted as a witness to legal proceedings in the Kilkenny area.. Seems to fit with the name Wansestown....0 -
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slowburner wrote: »Just thought I'd share this.
Here's a screenshot of something which looks remarkably like a faint drawing of an enclosure.
But I think it's just a blob.
No sign of it in the coloured edition.
Any thoughts?
If it was something by the looks of it, it would be huge. I assume you have checked it with bing?0 -
This is Carbury castle just outside of Edenderry. What do you think the round features are?
Are the lines seen around the site old tracks or building?
The ruins of the castle is still on the site, can be seen on the right of the first picture casting a shadow.0 -
Simon.d I'd love to know how you operate : do you pick an area at random ? somewhere you know/near you ? and then investigate... or do you research a specific area and then decide to check out the aerial view ?
I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...
I spotted this very broken up field near enough me, it comes up with a tortuous wall in the 6" map, but nothing recorded in Archeology.ie.
But I'm trying to match that tortuous wall to what I see, and it seems like there maybe a bit more to it ?
Here are the links
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,624028,606278,7,7
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slowburner wrote: »Could well predate the OSI mapping.
I'm not seeing any field walls intersecting the feature on the osi maps - am I looking at the right thing at all?
I'm sure you are looking at the same thing.. Possibly just overly optimistic on my end... I've passed on the info to an NMS Archaeologist, who said he'd go and have a look.. So will keep ye posted..Mountainsandh wrote: »I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...
Pretty much the same here, pick a region and scan around...No real method beyond that...0 -
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Hi All,
A while back I noticed a feature and contacted the natural History Museum with details regarding my find, However the results were a little dissapointing, they suspected it was a duck pond but no-one gave it a proper examination.
These are the co-ordinates using Google Earth:-
52º59'30.01" N
6º03'32.78" W
Apparently it was in a field that may have been marshy.
Have a look.
Can anybody have a look into this? Much more interesting than previously thought.
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This is Carbury castle just outside of Edenderry. What do you think the round features are?
Are the lines seen around the site old tracks or building?
The ruins of the castle is still on the site, can be seen on the right of the first picture casting a shadow.
There's alot going on methinks..
The heavier recti/linear markings look to be field boundarys, while the less defined parallell markings look to be the remnants of plough furrows. The large circular enclosure could be ecclesiastical, the smaller ones look to be ring forts... Very busy & well preserved site!0 -
http://binged.it/XKa1le - Motte of Monacoghlan in Co. Laois. There's a reference to the following survey from the 18th century in it's NMS listing:
High Res
Found this nearby.. Not listed but looks to be a Moated site: http://binged.it/XKdK2r
http://binged.it/XKe8O8 - Listed Anglo Norman Castle site a short hop to the North..0 -
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