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Marriage Equality Referendum

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  • #52
    ruaille buaille
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭ruaille buaille


    Aaaahhh, I see. I had completely the wrong idea. Thanks for the links etc. I have been looking through the marriage equality website and I think I have the gist of it now.

    So basically:
    Heterosexual people are allowed to have a civil marriage – whether that be in a church or registry office etc it doesn't matter.

    Homosexuals can only have a civil partnership which is basically like a second rate marriage, i.e. They don't have as many rights as a civil marriage.

    This referendum will allow homosexuals to have a civil marriage. Am I right?


  • #53
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    ruaille buaille wrote: »
    Aaaahhh, I see. I had completely the wrong idea. Thanks for the links etc. I have been looking through the marriage equality website and I think I have the gist of it now.

    So basically:
    Heterosexual people are allowed to have a civil marriage – whether that be in a church or registry office etc it doesn't matter.

    Homosexuals can only have a civil partnership which is basically like a second rate marriage, i.e. They don't have as many rights as a civil marriage.

    This referendum will allow homosexuals to have a civil marriage. Am I right?
    Spot. On.

    (Well, I don't think people will be rated on the Kinsey Scale at time of contracting their marriage, as such; it just makes it "without distinction as to their sex".)

    Small caveat that we don't know precisely how this will work, because it will also require primary legislation to fill in the "in accordance with law" part. If some of the churches want to take part in such ceremonies in the future (and I've seen it claimed that the Unitarians, etc, actually would), that would be possible through legislation without further constitutional change. As I understand it.


  • #54
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Neyite wrote: »
    I discovered that you can still apply to be included on the supplementary register by downloading a short form from your local county council.

    If you submit it before the end of April, you'll be eligible to vote in this referendum. Spread the word!

    Yes. Its an rfa2 form.

    http://www.checktheregister.ie/PublicPages/AppForms.aspx

    It needs to be stamped by the Gardai first and then sent to your local council.

    The deadline is close of business May 5th but remember May 4th is a bank holiday.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #55
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yes. Its an rfa3 form.

    RFA3 for change of address, RFA2 for new voters. Deadline is the 5th May -- 25th April if you need a postal/special vote.

    See, I did learn something in two hours of Death by Powerpoint at the hands of G. Buttimer...


  • #56
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,396 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yes. Its an rfa2 form.

    http://www.checktheregister.ie/PublicPages/AppForms.aspx

    It needs to be stamped by the Gardai first and then sent to your local council.

    The deadline is close of business May 5th but remember May 4th is a bank holiday.

    This has made my day, recently found out I'm registered to the wrong address so I thought I was going to miss out on voting.


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I sent off an RFA3 form a few weeks ago but haven't got any sort of acknowledgement that it's been received yet. Is this normal or should I be worried? :confused: I was reluctant about ringing up and enquiring because it's Dublin City council so they've probably received loads of those forms. I just hate the thought of my form having gotten lost in the post or something (unlikely as it may be) and me not finding out in time.


  • #58
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    ruaille buaille wrote: »
    Hi Everyone,

    Can I please ask a genuine question? I am wondering why gay people would want to get married in a church because my view is that the Catholic church condemns gay relationships? I hope no-one feels offended by my question, for the record I feel that gay people should have equality and should be allowed to marry wherever they want.
    Also, from your own viewpoint, If the marriage referendum passes will you then get married in a church or have a civil ceremony? (that is if you decide to get married obv!)


    Hi Ruaille,
    Serious genuine question.
    What made you think gay /lesbian people wanted to get married in a church ?Did you hear it from someone or read it ??


  • #59
    ruaille buaille
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭ruaille buaille


    Hi Mr. Frame. I had asked a few friends what exactly the referendum was for and to be honest I got a lot of mixed answers. In general most people seem to think that gay people cannot get married at all in Ireland at present and this referendum would allow them to get married. However, I then learned that gay people can already get married in a registry office (ie. a civil partnership). I confused this as being a civil marraige and thought that the difference so must be that this referendum will allow gay people to get married in a church.
    I was even talking to my friend the other day about that lesbian couple who got married on the tv show Dont tell the Bride. She said to me "Oh I didnt think the law was passed yet, is it?"

    That is why I posted the question earlier because I was curious as to why gay people would want to get married in a church and would there be many who would do this. It all makes more sense now :)


  • #60
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    ruaille buaille wrote: »
    However, I then learned that gay people can already get married in a registry office (ie. a civil partnership).
    Some people will refer to this as "being married" (and now having a husband, wife, etc). But that's essentially aspirational, or an assertion of their own personal belief. Legally it's not a form of marriage, of any sort.

    Hence when the constitution refers to "family founded on marriage", and so on, CP'd people aren't included in this. Various legal differences remain between CM and CP. It's thought that it's not possible to amend this in primary legislation, because the constitutional provisions would be raised as an objection. Hence the need to provide for this expressly in the constitution.


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  • #61
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I sent off an RFA3 form a few weeks ago but haven't got any sort of acknowledgement that it's been received yet. Is this normal or should I be worried? :confused: I was reluctant about ringing up and enquiring because it's Dublin City council so they've probably received loads of those forms. I just hate the thought of my form having gotten lost in the post or something (unlikely as it may be) and me not finding out in time.

    I would ring them.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Who here was in the Clontarf Castle Kick Off tonight? It seemed pretty tame and unmotivated a little.


  • #63
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Daith


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Who here was in the Clontarf Castle Kick Off tonight? It seemed pretty tame and unmotivated a little.

    I wasn't there but I'm finding a huge amount of unmotivated people .

    Also people who are afraid of saying the wrong thing at a canvas.

    Worrying


  • #64
    Aard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Do you mean canvassers being afraid to say the wrong thing, or the general public in response?


  • #65
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Daith


    Aard wrote: »
    Do you mean canvassers being afraid to say the wrong thing, or the general public in response?

    Generally saying the wrong thing when knocking on doors.

    You're really not expected to know everything.


  • #66
    Stompbox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭Stompbox


    Hi there. I intend on voting Yes on the 22nd but unfortunately I'll be out of the country from the 15th to the 30th of May. Is anyone here aware of a system that exists for me to vote in absentia?


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  • #67
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Stompbox wrote: »
    Hi there. I intend on voting Yes on the 22nd but unfortunately I'll be out of the country from the 15th to the 30th of May. Is anyone here aware of a system that exists for me to vote in absentia?
    Postal voting availability is very restricted, unfortunately. Still bitter about the schnakey way Bertie waited until I'd a holiday booked before calling a general election!


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I would ring them.

    Thanks. Sent an email last night, if I don't have a reply by the end of the week then I'll certainly ring them or call in in person.

    I just don't know if it's standard procedure to acknowledge receipt of the form or not? I guess it might be awkward considering the volume they receive but on the other hand it's not quite fair for someone not to know whether their form has been received or not.


  • #69
    Doug89
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Doug89


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thanks. Sent an email last night, if I don't have a reply by the end of the week then I'll certainly ring them or call in in person.

    I just don't know if it's standard procedure to acknowledge receipt of the form or not? I guess it might be awkward considering the volume they receive but on the other hand it's not quite fair for someone not to know whether their form has been received or not.

    Hi Homer,

    I emailed DCC the other day about a RF3 form I sent in - it's not standard procedure to acknowledge them getting it. I sent an email with my voter number (which you can find linked to your old address on checktheregister.ie) and I got an email back within 15mins saying that it'd been updated correctly.


  • #70
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Daith wrote: »
    I wasn't there but I'm finding a huge amount of unmotivated people .

    Also people who are afraid of saying the wrong thing at a canvas.

    Worrying

    The problem is an awful lot of Irish people are actually scared and intimidated to canvass.

    The reality is - its a pleasant and friendly experience on this issue at 99% of houses. Even most no houses I've called to are pleasant and friendly.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #71
    feardeas
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭feardeas


    Fair play to the canvas teams. Good to hear the positive experiences. I've donated to the campaign and will again.

    Understandable that people are fearful of saying the wrong thing especially given what is in play. I doubt I'd be able to hold my tongue if the experience of listening to Senator Mullen this am was anything to go by.

    Hope the get out the vote plan is on place. Turnout will be key.


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  • #72
    tom_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭tom_k


    Stompbox wrote: »
    Hi there. I intend on voting Yes on the 22nd but unfortunately I'll be out of the country from the 15th to the 30th of May. Is anyone here aware of a system that exists for me to vote in absentia?

    Hi Stompbox,

    Have a look at this, you may qualify to be added to the supplement to the Postal Voters list. If so, apply to your local authority for an application form ASAP.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#leb892


  • #73
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Daith wrote: »
    I'm finding a huge amount of unmotivated people .

    Im finding this everywhere now. This "Why bother vote on a sure deal" mentality is permeating too many people ive met.


  • #74
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Stompbox wrote: »
    Hi there. I intend on voting Yes on the 22nd but unfortunately I'll be out of the country from the 15th to the 30th of May. Is anyone here aware of a system that exists for me to vote in absentia?

    It depends in your reason for being out of the country.

    If you are away for work reasons then you might get a postal vote.

    If its just a holiday then you just cant vote.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #75
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Im finding this everywhere now. This "Why bother vote on a sure deal" mentality is permeating too many people ive met.

    The referendum is not won.

    It is winnable.

    Low turnout will lose it.

    It is 1 million percent crucial for every yes voter to turn out.

    In 1995 9000 voters made a difference for divorce. Thats roughly 1 voter per ballot box in the country.

    1 vote in 1 ballot box could make a crucial difference.

    This needs to be repeated again and again and again and again and again to every single Yes Voter

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #76
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    feardeas wrote: »
    Fair play to the canvas teams.

    Yes Equality badly needs more canvassers everywhere in the country. Please please please please everyone consider doing it. You can do 1 afternoon or 10 afternoons between now and May 22nd - it really is upto you But I think if lgbt people dont engage and canvass on the doorsteps its another hampering of the campaign.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #77
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    Was going to start a thread but saw this.
    Anyone notice it seems to be a trendy campaign but the people then wont end up voting?


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The referendum is not won.

    It is winnable.

    Low turnout will lose it.

    It is 1 million percent crucial for every yes voter to turn out.

    In 1995 9000 voters made a difference for divorce. Thats roughly 1 voter per ballot box in the country.

    1 vote in 1 ballot box could make a crucial difference.

    This needs to be repeated again and again and again and again and again to every single Yes Voter

    a "please use your vote" campaign is a strange one when the polls predict such a land slide. Me and the girls are voting. And I have persuaded the Nozz to come home and vote from germany. And most of my mates too.

    Id love to see nozz or nugent speak to the non voters on this. Or just anyone. I havent seen much of a yes campaign. But on the streets I havent see much of a VOTE campaign either. Where is panty bliss or nozz or any of the real speakers on this issue? Its been so quiet from the yes side. :(


  • #79
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    a "please use your vote" campaign is a strange one when the polls predict such a land slide.

    Yes

    It would have been strange to ask people to please use their vote in 1986 when the polls indicated divorce would pass comfortably. It failed.

    It would have been strange to ask people to please use their vote in 1995 when the polls indicated divorce would pass comfortably. It nearly failed.

    It would have been strange to ask people to support the Childrens rights referendum when polls indicated 80% support. It nearly failed.

    Complacency that this is a done deal will kill this

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/same-sex-marriage-why-the-proposal-may-not-be-accepted-by-voters-1.2034752

    I havent seen much of a yes campaign. But on the streets I havent see much of a VOTE campaign either. Where is panty bliss or nozz or any of the real speakers on this issue? Its been so quiet from the yes side. 

    It may seem like that but to me there has been a huge amount of work done.

    40 something Yes Equality local constitutency organisations set up from nothing. Many many videos created on the #votewithus website. Numerous fundraising activities going on around the country. A succesful register to vote campaign that got 40,000 new registrants. Street and door to door canvassing going on in all counties. St Patricks Parade events. Local media reporting on all of this.

    Again though reread the Noel Whelan article. Strategically 39 days out is not the right time to be heavily campaigning.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #80
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Sometimes I get the impression the campaign is appealing more to people who are already going to vote Yes than people who still do not feel comfortable or bothered about voting.


  • #81
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    J_E wrote: »
    Sometimes I get the impression the campaign is appealing more to people who are already going to vote Yes than people who still do not feel comfortable or bothered about voting.

    Indeed but thats why the campaign messaging will be more subtle in the next few weeks.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Doug89 wrote: »
    Hi Homer,

    I emailed DCC the other day about a RF3 form I sent in - it's not standard procedure to acknowledge them getting it. I sent an email with my voter number (which you can find linked to your old address on checktheregister.ie) and I got an email back within 15mins saying that it'd been updated correctly.

    Thanks Doug. Got an email today confirming that my details have been updated. :)


  • #83
    elekid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭elekid


    Neyite wrote: »
    Civil Partnerships are not the same as Civil Marriage. A civil partnership will afford a couple some rights that married couples benefit from, but not all, and there are some very important rights that gay partners are not legally entitled to even if they are a civil partner.

    I've been trying to understand the main differences between civil partnership and marriage but I can only seem to find vague information like in this link. A lot of the links to further information on www.marriagequality.ie seem to be down.

    Does anyone know where or how I can find specific details of what real world differences marriage will make to LGBT couples if this goes through?


  • #84
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    elekid wrote: »
    I've been trying to understand the main differences between civil partnership and marriage but I can only seem to find vague information like in this link. A lot of the links to further information on www.marriagequality.ie seem to be down.

    Does anyone know where or how I can find specific details of what real world differences marriage will make to LGBT couples if this goes through?

    Did you see the List Of Differences off that previous link?


  • #85
    elekid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭elekid


    Noor Chilly Newspaper wrote: »
    Did you see the List Of Differences off that previous link?

    No, I missed that somehow, thanks!


  • #86
    feardeas
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭feardeas


    I've said somewhere else that I have been a follower of politics since i was a child. Remember watching the results of the divorce ref in 95. It was ding dong stuff til the end as has been pointed out.

    In my view the engagement and ground level stuff on this has been good. I know that campaigners are on local radio stations the length and breath of the country, articles are appearing in local media. The social media angle is well covered and that is where young people seem to live their lives. 300 students registered in NUIG today alone. There is engagement. I think it looks like the people at the helm have a good grasp on this. The fact that there is door to door stuff at all in a referendum is remarkable. There is a long time to go yet and absolutely now is not the time for real active campaigning. In a way less is more at this stage. People who have no direct interest will be turned off if it incessant.

    This is just my view.


  • #87
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Photos like this aren't helpful if the YES side wants to win the undecideds:

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/90236231.jpg

    But hey, I'm just an ordinary NO voter who's probably not welcome here.


  • #88
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    xrp wrote: »
    Photos like this aren't helpful if the YES side wants to win the undecideds:

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/90236231.jpg

    But hey, I'm just an ordinary NO voter who's probably not welcome here.

    What exactly is wrong with that photo?


  • #89
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    xrp wrote: »
    Photos like this aren't helpful if the YES side wants to win the undecideds:

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/90236231.jpg

    But hey, I'm just an ordinary NO voter who's probably not welcome here.

    You're welcome here once you stick within the charter

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056425742

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #90
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Mr.Frame wrote: »
    What exactly is wrong with that photo?

    Mary
    Virgin blue
    Crock of gold rainbow
    Stupid regal look on her face


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  • #91
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    xrp wrote: »
    Mary
    Virgin blue
    Crock of gold rainbow
    Stupid regal look on her face

    Is that it? :rolleyes:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #92
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    xrp wrote: »
    Mary
    Virgin blue
    Crock of gold rainbow
    Stupid regal look on her face
    I think it's a bit of a daft image but you would seriously decide gay marriage is not ok because someone posted an idealistic photo somewhere?


  • #93
    Aard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Tbh I find some of the Vote Yes images a bit alienating. Not just the images in fact, but a lot of the rhetoric is sickly sweet and so middle class left wing. There's a lot of choir preaching going on by the looks of things, which gives the impression that there is more support than there actually is. I worry then that that is adding to the complacency of a lot of people who are would-be yes voters but who are taking for granted that the referendum will pass.


  • #94
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Aard wrote: »
    Tbh I find some of the Vote Yes images a bit alienating. Not just the images in fact, but a lot of the rhetoric is sickly sweet and so middle class left wing. There's a lot of choir preaching going on by the looks of things, which gives the impression that there is more support than there actually is. I worry then that that is adding to the complacency of a lot of people who are would-be yes voters but who are taking for granted that the referendum will pass.

    I think it's a concern, but it comes with the territory. Who's bothered about doing much in the way of "preaching" at all at this point? And who's listening? This may change as people get more engaged, as the No campaign picks up, and the "how will it look if this fails?" effect kicks in to people in a apathetic middle. That last especially if there's seen to be a certain amount of international attention. (Are we quite sure Ireland has a "guilt" culture, and not a "shame" one?)

    I think there's a huge awareness in the "yes" campaign of the dangers of complacency. I know I've lost track of the number of times I've heard it said. The harder question is of course what to do about it. On a canvas one can only ask someone so many times if they're actually going to vote before one has to take "yes" as an answer...


  • #95
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Daith


    Aard wrote: »
    Tbh I find some of the Vote Yes images a bit alienating. Not just the images in fact, but a lot of the rhetoric is sickly sweet and so middle class left wing. There's a lot of choir preaching going on by the looks of things, which gives the impression that there is more support than there actually is. I worry then that that is adding to the complacency of a lot of people who are would-be yes voters but who are taking for granted that the referendum will pass.

    There's huge complacency. When everyone is telling you to Vote Yes, odds are it won't go that way.

    Trying to get people to canvass highlights this for me.


  • #96
    Ash885
    Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Ash885


    Aard wrote: »
    Tbh I find some of the Vote Yes images a bit alienating. Not just the images in fact, but a lot of the rhetoric is sickly sweet and so middle class left wing. There's a lot of choir preaching going on by the looks of things, which gives the impression that there is more support than there actually is. I worry then that that is adding to the complacency of a lot of people who are would-be yes voters but who are taking for granted that the referendum will pass.

    Hit the nail on the head for me. Alienating to the extreme. My facebook and twitter have been over run by negative campaigning of people enaging with obvious anon. trolls and it's getting a little tiresome if not sabotaging promting accounts which would not get recogniton otherwise. I'm all for engaging in debate but not quite sure what some people's version of that is when they retweet and favourite the opposing person's trolling whilst saying in caps locks PLZ VOTE YAAAAAAZ

    Mind boggles.


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  • #97
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ash885 wrote: »
    Hit the nail on the head for me. Alienating to the extreme. My facebook and twitter have been over run by negative campaigning of people enaging with obvious anon. trolls and it's getting a little tiresome if not sabotaging promting accounts which would not get recogniton otherwise. I'm all for engaging in debate but not quite sure what some people's version of that is when they retweet and favourite the opposing person's trolling whilst saying in caps locks PLZ VOTE YAAAAAAZ

    Mind boggles.

    Huh? I dont see the connection there to what Aard said

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #98
    Ash885
    Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Ash885


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Huh? I dont see the connection there to what Aard said

    On reading the whole thread I totally missed what you all were talking about and the majority of Aard's point >_O

    I just focused on ailenated and "image". Opps. I thought it was about the other "YES" side images that are being spammed on social media of David Quinn photoshoped in bed with another man or with Breda having Yes Equality plastered around it and not Mary. They're all funny for a while, I did chuckle, but reading some of the comments on them from what I could presume as middle of the field people was a bit worrying!

    Will know in future not to hastily quote without reading a few more lines, sorry for derailing! :pac:


  • #99
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Aard wrote: »
    Tbh I find some of the Vote Yes images a bit alienating. Not just the images in fact, but a lot of the rhetoric is sickly sweet and so middle class left wing. There's a lot of choir preaching going on by the looks of things, which gives the impression that there is more support than there actually is. I worry then that that is adding to the complacency of a lot of people who are would-be yes voters but who are taking for granted that the referendum will pass.

    This is true. Being around a young demographic in middle class Dublin its almost hard to believe that anyone will vote no in the referendum. Some guy in my college got fraped the other day, his friend posted 'no to equality 2015.' and there was about 10 abusive and shocked replies left within as many minutes! made me laugh..

    Also many students will be sitting exams around the time of the referendum, and Im sure a lot of others will be on their holidays abroad. I hope the timing doesn't affect the numbers of students voting. College students are such a crucial demographic in this referendum.


  • #100
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    wakka12 wrote: »
    This is true. Being around a young demographic in middle class Dublin its almost hard to believe that anyone will vote no in the referendum.
    I keep hearing from the YE peeps that it's 40+ men they're most concerned with as a voting block. Hence there's an alleged shove on to try to "normalise" voting yes for this group. Not quite surer how that's working out for them thus far...

    I guess "wait twenty years for the 20+ students to be the new cohort of 40+'s" is always a fallback plan...
    Some guy in my college got fraped the other day
    Much as I hate to date myself, the word "frape" had passed me by to this point. Only wish it had passed me by for rather longer...


  • #101
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yes Equality badly needs more canvassers everywhere in the country. Please please please please everyone consider doing it. You can do 1 afternoon or 10 afternoons between now and May 22nd - it really is upto you But I think if lgbt people dont engage and canvass on the doorsteps its another hampering of the campaign.
    To be honest I think door-to-door canvassing is a little intrusive and could not in good conscience do it. I don't like when politicians to it, when Jehovah's Witnesses do it, and by principle, equality voters. I think this is how I feel about a lot of the campaign in general. There is one story I heard where an award recipient was asked to step down so an Equality group could get it, 'for the cause' and such, I am not going to specify but more than 1 person confirmed it to me.. Think that's really awful.


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