N40 - Cork South Ring Bandon & Sarsfield Flyovers

Chuck Stone · 09-12-2012 7:33pm

My Brother was telling the layout on the westbound approach to Sarsfield Rd roundabout has completely changed.

Outkast_IRE · 09-12-2012 7:38pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

My Brother was telling the layout on the westbound approach to Sarsfield Rd roundabout has completely changed.

The approaches from both sides of the roundabout have completely changed, with the dark mornings and evenings it will be very easy for someone to get caught out badly not paying full attention/ speeding through.

It seems approaching from the east today at least , you are rising up that ramp they built and hitting the roundabout from a new angle, its odd to explain but if you know anyone travelling through its worth warning them.

neddynasty · 10-12-2012 12:48am

Drove through it today. It's changed a lot in the last couple of days. They were busy working there again today. There were a number of Gardai there today directing people too. Looks like some of the finishing touches were a little rushed but overall looking good.

Hogzy · 10-12-2012 12:51am

I think Gardai are permanently assigned to the junction. I passed through yesterday around 8pm and there was a garda just standing at the side of the road observing traffic.

kub · 10-12-2012 1:28am

I drove through it as well coming from the east and heading to CUH, I must say its impressive how this work carried on while that intersection was still handling the usual traffic. 10 out of 10 to the contractors.

I would urge you all to take it handy out there, there are big changes.

harry21 · 10-12-2012 9:23pm

Traffic wasn't too bad for me this morning just before 8 when I pased through. However, all the traffic coming from CUH heading west barrelled through the lights casue they didn't see them.

I was nearly blown away in my little punt!:D I think the signage could be much much better, particularly for say 500m before the junction. A few small signs 50m from the junction don't help anyone when they are trying to figure out what lane to be on the approach.

Contractor doing ok on the programme in fariness despite the bad weather preventing the laying of the wearing course. The subbies on the job should get the credit I supppose.

Ludo · 10-12-2012 11:16pm

Does traffic heading down from the wilton roundabout onto the south ring heading east now no longer have to stop at lights?

I passed through the sarsfield roundabout this evening coming from the bandon road roundabout and it seemed this way. The amount of sudden braking as people came flying out onto the south ring road from the wilton direction seemed crazy.

kub · 10-12-2012 11:34pm

I went from Wilton twice now onto the link East bound on the new layout. The situation is, as the two lanes coming down from Wilton approach the new intersection, the middle one goes straight to a set of lights while the left lane is twisted in an Eastern direction.

Then the East bound traffic merges onto the N40 East, there is a Yield sign at the merge and also a new lane starts at this very point as well.

So if you joined the road and kept tight to the kerb you are onto the start of a lane and would not need to yield.

Take it handy though the Gatso van was out there again today.

Ludo · 10-12-2012 11:48pm

kub wrote: »

I went from Wilton twice now onto the link East bound on the new layout. The situation is, as the two lanes coming down from Wilton approach the new intersection, the middle one goes straight to a set of lights while the left lane is twisted in an Eastern direction.

Then the East bound traffic merges onto the N40 East, there is a Yield sign at the merge and also a new lane starts at this very point as well.

So if you joined the road and kept tight to the kerb you are onto the start of a lane and would not need to yield.

Take it handy though the Gatso van was out there again today.

That explains it. Thanks. People were not yielding so. They were just pulling out into the path of traffic coming off the roundabout I guess people will get used to it but as you say, caution needed.

Outkast_IRE · 11-12-2012 11:28am

Ludo wrote: »

That explains it. Thanks. People were not yielding so. They were just pulling out into the path of traffic coming off the roundabout I guess people will get used to it but as you say, caution needed.

Honestly i cycle across the roundabout twice a day, and the amount of people that ran the lights by mistake coming down from wilton onto the roundabout was astounding, i have seen it happen so many times im surprised i havent seen an crash from it.
I cant see that improving with the yield thing going on..

Ludo · 11-12-2012 5:06pm

kub wrote: »

Then the East bound traffic merges onto the N40 East, there is a Yield sign at the merge and also a new lane starts at this very point as well.

So if you joined the road and kept tight to the kerb you are onto the start of a lane and would not need to yield.

hmmmm...from just going through this from the Sarsfield roundabout direction, the above seems completely wrong. There is no new lane there that you can go into without merging when coming from Wilton...just the 2 lanes coming from the roundabout. All cars coming from Wilton have to yield...keeping near the kerb does not seem to allow you to join any new lane. This may explain the chaos yesterday with people pulling straight onto the road without yielding.
Unless it has changed again since you went though it of course...

kub · 12-12-2012 1:06pm

Ludo wrote: »

hmmmm...from just going through this from the Sarsfield roundabout direction, the above seems completely wrong. There is no new lane there that you can go into without merging when coming from Wilton...just the 2 lanes coming from the roundabout. All cars coming from Wilton have to yield...keeping near the kerb does not seem to allow you to join any new lane. This may explain the chaos yesterday with people pulling straight onto the road without yielding.
Unless it has changed again since you went though it of course...

Ludo you are correct, there is no new lane starting at where the Wilton traffic comes onto the N40 east, apologies.

I just travelled from Sarsfield Road through it and looked at it from that side. I have noticed though that the Yield signs have been replaced with Stop signs.
For anyone coming off the temporary roundabout please note, there is an Island to the east of the junction, the 2 lanes are flowing around it, to those of you in the left lane, be carefull of the Wilton traffic, it may not stop, as it should.

Ludo · 12-12-2012 5:19pm

They really need to put lights there if it is going to be that way for any period of time. The amount of people pulling straight in front of oncoming traffic again today was not funny. An accident waiting to happen.

kub · 12-12-2012 11:59pm

Ludo wrote: »

They really need to put lights there if it is going to be that way for any period of time. The amount of people pulling straight in front of oncoming traffic again today was not funny. An accident waiting to happen.

I agree with you, it is indeed an accident waiting to happen. Have you noticed that the old set of lights, just before that junction are still operating. Would it really have been that difficult to relocate them?

starch4ser · 14-12-2012 3:14pm

Aerial view of the Sarsfield roundabout from the Evening Echo website:

http://www.eveningecho.ie/files/2012/12/Sarsfield-Flyover.jpg.jpg

sheff_ · 14-12-2012 3:46pm

starch4ser wrote: »

Aerial view of the Sarsfield roundabout from the Evening Echo website:

http://www.eveningecho.ie/files/2012/12/Sarsfield-Flyover.jpg.jpg

Interesting that the roundabout alignment has changed from the plans on page 14 (post 203). Flyover seems to be centred on it now.

350125GO! · 15-12-2012 3:50am

sheff_ wrote: »

Interesting that the roundabout alignment has changed from the plans on page 14 (post 203). Flyover seems to be centred on it now.

See page 35 (post 514).

sheff_ · 15-12-2012 4:03pm

350125GO! wrote: »

See page 35 (post 514).

Thanks. It's a big thread!

neddynasty · 17-12-2012 10:47am

In that aerial photo (and from driving around) it looks like there will be a set of columns in the middle of the roundabout and beams from both sides will use those columns therefore no need for a big central section like on the Bandon Roundabout. Could that be right? Would that make construction faster?

murphym7 · 17-12-2012 1:39pm

Might be a stupid question, but here go's anyway. Before this layout change, only traffic in the right hand lane coming from the east could head up towards Wilton. Is this still the case with the new layout?

TheChizler · 17-12-2012 2:25pm

murphym7 wrote: »

Might be a stupid question, but here go's anyway. Before this layout change, only traffic in the right hand lane coming from the east could head up towards Wilton. Is this still the case with the new layout?

From the photo it does look like both the middle and right lanes are ok to go towards Wilton, I wouldn't be assuming that until the lane markings are fully down though!

murphym7 · 17-12-2012 3:26pm

TheChizler wrote: »

From the photo it does look like both the middle and right lanes are ok to go towards Wilton, I wouldn't be assuming that until the lane markings are fully down though!

Thats what I was thinking too, just don't know. From what I have seen, lots of folks in the left lane go around into the middle lane going to Wilton, which is where I try and go from the right hand lane, bit dodgy.

alanucc · 17-12-2012 5:04pm

neddynasty wrote: »

In that aerial photo (and from driving around) it looks like there will be a set of columns in the middle of the roundabout and beams from both sides will use those columns therefore no need for a big central section like on the Bandon Roundabout. Could that be right? Would that make construction faster?

Correct, there won't be any "earth box" structure at Sarsfield in the centre of the roundabout.

Hogzy · 20-12-2012 9:45pm

70 year old man killed tonight between Bandon and Sarsfield R'abouts. Awful this happening so close to Christmas.

A 70-year-old man has died after he was struck by a car on the South Ring Road in Cork.
The incident happened at around half past six this evening.
The body of the man - a pedestrian - was taken to Cork University Hospital.
The road is closed pending an examination by gardaí and diversions are in place.

Source RTE News

Outkast_IRE · 20-12-2012 10:10pm

Hogzy wrote: »

70 year old man killed tonight between Bandon and Sarsfield R'abouts. Awful this happening so close to Christmas.

Source RTE News

Anyone have any details on this, i have to say im not surprised, everytime i walk/cycle or drive throught the sarsfield rd rounabout since they changed it i have seen unbelievable driving every time ....

today i was out running with the dog and had to cross the roundabout at the pedestrian crossings. I waited correctly for the green man , started to jog across and some dopey b*tch drove throught the red light, lucky i was paying attention cause she didnt have a ****in clue............. had to stop dead in my tracks to avoid being hit.

Hogzy · 20-12-2012 10:12pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Anyone have any details on this, i have to say im not surprised, everytime i walk/cycle or drive throught the sarsfield rd rounabout since they changed it i have seen unbelievable driving every time ....

today i was out running with the dog and had to cross the roundabout at the pedestrian crossings. I waited correctly for the green man , started to jog across and some dopey b*tch drove throught the red light, lucky i was paying attention cause she didnt have a ****in clue.............

Turn on the 9 o clock news now, they may have something on it.

cork_south · 20-12-2012 10:20pm

RIP :-(

http://www.thejournal.ie/fatal-road-traffic-collision-in-bishopstown-cork-725796-Dec2012/

Hogzy · 20-12-2012 10:25pm

Occured on the Eastbound road between Bandon and Sarsfield junctions.

There should be signs erected on the N40 restricting pedestrian access. I know its not a motorway and is not likely to be changed for the forseeable future but the N40 is no place for pedestrians. Its as equally busy as the M50 like.

kub · 21-12-2012 12:34am

alanucc wrote: »

Correct, there won't be any "earth box" structure at Sarsfield in the centre of the roundabout.

Is this due to the bog underneath it?

neddynasty · 21-12-2012 10:41am

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Anyone have any details on this, i have to say im not surprised, everytime i walk/cycle or drive throught the sarsfield rd rounabout since they changed it i have seen unbelievable driving every time ....

today i was out running with the dog and had to cross the roundabout at the pedestrian crossings. I waited correctly for the green man , started to jog across and some dopey b*tch drove throught the red light, lucky i was paying attention cause she didnt have a ****in clue............. had to stop dead in my tracks to avoid being hit.

I passed the accident last night around the 6:30pm time heading westwards. Accident had already happened and emergency services were already at the scene. It occurred probably > 500 meters before the Sarsfield Roundabout where the 2 lanes become 3 and there's no hard shoulder. Certainly not a place I would like to be walking. It was foggy and there's not a lot of street lighting there at the moment with the roadworks going on. Sad loss this time of year.

spacetweek · 21-12-2012 11:23am

Hogzy wrote: »

Occured on the Eastbound road between Bandon and Sarsfield junctions.

There should be signs erected on the N40 restricting pedestrian access. I know its not a motorway and is not likely to be changed for the forseeable future but the N40 is no place for pedestrians. Its as equally busy as the M50 like.

Surprised a pedestrian was even able to get in there. Can't imagine why they'd want to. I assume it's fenced along that section so you'd have no choice but to continue to the next roundabout.

moyners · 21-12-2012 11:32am

From the Irish Examiner today:

An elderly man was knocked down and killed during rush-hour traffic in Cork last night.
The accident happened on the eastbound stretch of South City Ring Rd between the Sarsfield and Bandon Rd Roundabouts at about 6.30pm. It is understood the victim, who was in his 70s, was walking west against the flow of eastbound traffic. He was dressed in dark clothing. Gardaí got several calls between 6.15pm and 6.30pm from motorists who reported seeing a person walking along the road. As officers were going to the scene a report came through that a pedestrian had been knocked down in the area.
An ambulance was called and the man was taken to Cork University Hospital but he was pronounced dead a short time later.
The victim is understood to be originally from the North Cork area.
He may have been living in sheltered accommodation in Wilton or Togher.
The driver of the car, who is in his 30s, was severely shocked and traumatised but uninjured.
It is understood the pedestrian suffered severe head injuries.
While gardaí were able to speak to several witnesses at the scene, Supt Charlie Barry asked any other witnesses to contact Bishopstown Garda Station on 021 454 1012, the Garda Confidential Line on 1800 666 111 or any Garda station.
The eastbound section of the road was sealed off for a forensic investigation team to examine the scene.
There was traffic chaos for a number of hours as diversions were put in place and cars were directed through Bishopstown.

Max_Charger · 21-12-2012 7:19pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Anyone have any details on this, i have to say im not surprised, everytime i walk/cycle or drive throught the sarsfield rd rounabout since they changed it i have seen unbelievable driving every time ....

today i was out running with the dog and had to cross the roundabout at the pedestrian crossings. I waited correctly for the green man , started to jog across and some dopey b*tch drove throught the red light, lucky i was paying attention cause she didnt have a ****in clue............. had to stop dead in my tracks to avoid being hit.

See it all the time between driving and walking through that roundabout, and people give out about cyclists?!

SeanW · 21-12-2012 7:36pm

Max_Charger wrote: »

and people give out about cyclists?!

I didn't realise that cyclists were heroic angels who never ever, ever, ever broke the ROTR? :P

(Not defending the driver in Outkast IREs post, but people have a right to "give out" about any irresponsible road (or footpath in the case of cyclists) use.)

Hogzy · 21-12-2012 7:49pm

SeanW wrote: »

I didn't realise that cyclists were heroic angels who never ever, ever, ever broke the ROTR? :P

(Not defending the driver in Outkast IREs post, but people have a right to "give out" about any irresponsible road (or footpath in the case of cyclists) use.)

Yes, but lets show a bit of respect and hold off on the criticism until the full story is known and the man's funeral has actually taken place. For all we know his family could be reading this so lets show them a bit of empathy.

AugustusMinimus · 22-12-2012 8:45pm

When are they supposed to be starting work on the east bound carriageway ?

Still using the old section of road travelling east bound as is.

neddynasty · 07-01-2013 12:12pm

They were back working this morning dark and early. Must have been tough facing back into it in this weather! They had some floodlights and a digger or two in action on the Sarsfield roundabout. Not much else to report. Was too dark to see anything.

johnayo · 10-01-2013 10:29pm

Do anyone know if this construction is still on schedule. Seems like an awful lot of work will have to be done in a relatively short space of time.

Hogzy · 10-01-2013 10:39pm

johnayo wrote: »

Do anyone know if this construction is still on schedule. Seems like an awful lot of work will have to be done in a relatively short space of time.

They havnt even started erecting the flyover on the Sarsfield R'about. When is the opening scheduled?

Max_Charger · 10-01-2013 10:51pm

heading west between Sars-Bandon roundabout, are they putting in a very wide footpath/cycle lane on the extreme left?

Irish and Proud · 11-01-2013 11:52am

Max_Charger wrote: »

heading west between Sars-Bandon roundabout, are they putting in a very wide footpath/cycle lane on the extreme left?

Haven't been near the area in quite a while, but are you sure that's not the left slip from Sarsfield Road (south section).

superhooper · 11-01-2013 1:14pm

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Haven't been near the area in quite a while, but are you sure that's not the left slip from Sarsfield Road (south section).

its a cycleway and pathway.

Outkast_IRE · 11-01-2013 1:19pm

superhooper wrote: »

its a cycleway and pathway.

I believe its a slip road he was talking about , their is a proper tarmac road going off to the left, for people coming down sarsfield rd and wanting to head out towards dunnes/bandon rd.
They havent opened this slip road yet as the volumes of traffic are probably too heavy until the flyover opens proper.

There will be a proper pathway/cycleway when its completed though, it might even be done but it isnt open yet anyway.

johnayo · 11-01-2013 2:07pm

Hogzy wrote: »

They havnt even started erecting the flyover on the Sarsfield R'about. When is the opening scheduled?

July 2013 I think.

Max_Charger · 11-01-2013 3:36pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I believe its a slip road he was talking about , their is a proper tarmac road going off to the left, for people coming down sarsfield rd and wanting to head out towards dunnes/bandon rd.
They havent opened this slip road yet as the volumes of traffic are probably too heavy until the flyover opens proper.

There will be a proper pathway/cycleway when its completed though, it might even be done but it isnt open yet anyway.

I'm aware of the slip road alright, but just before the new entrance to dunnes, I noticed what looks like a massive footpath running the whole way back to sarsfield road. At least I think that's what it is.

Outkast_IRE · 11-01-2013 4:18pm

Max_Charger wrote: »

I'm aware of the slip road alright, but just before the new entrance to dunnes, I noticed what looks like a massive footpath running the whole way back to sarsfield road. At least I think that's what it is.

Ya theres meant to be a walkway/cycle path according to the plans anyway so thats prob it.

Outkast_IRE · 25-01-2013 5:41pm

New update
http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/N25-Sarsfield_Road_Bandon_Road_Interchanges/N25%20Sarsfield%20Road%20Bandon%20Road%20Interchanges%20Progress%20Update%2056.pdf

Looks like they are aiming for march to have the beams in place for the flyover on sarsfield rd, and they are going to be working on the aproaches to it aswell.

Hogzy · 25-01-2013 8:46pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

New update
http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/N25-Sarsfield_Road_Bandon_Road_Interchanges/N25%20Sarsfield%20Road%20Bandon%20Road%20Interchanges%20Progress%20Update%2056.pdf

Looks like they are aiming for march to have the beams in place for the flyover on sarsfield rd, and they are going to be working on the aproaches to it aswell.

April :eek: No way will this open in July.

Outkast_IRE · 26-01-2013 12:08pm

Hogzy wrote: »

April :eek: No way will this open in July.

Its hard to say, the other flyover is almost completed really, and they are constantly tipping away on finishing it.

If they start putting in 24hr shifts like they were doing previously then they would manage it alright id say. Its looks like they want the approach ramps set up by the time the beams are put in place, so that would leave it finished as such in terms of structure for the most part......... i think its do-able, if the weather perked up a bit for the spring it would help alot id say.
In fairness it has been a very wet year of work for them.

AugustusMinimus · 26-01-2013 1:15pm

I've heard that drainage was a major problem for them at the Sars roundabout end. Prob why they are behind schedule.

N40 - Cork South Ring Bandon & Sarsfield Flyovers

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