One-Parent Family Payment

studdlymurphy · 13-12-2011 2:30am #1

I know 2 people who claim this payment and the fathers are not around. Yet I know 14 people who claim it and have the partner living with them.
Does this ratio meet other peoples observations?
Im not saying it should be done away with as some people do need it, but I think it should be policed a bit better.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 2:32am

It's policed but they rely on people who know this to give them information too.

Don't go complaining about it if you haven't bothered to tell the social that these people are breaking the rules!

Liam Byrne · 13-12-2011 2:35am

Why wouldn't you dob them in? They're stealing our money.

EGAR · 13-12-2011 2:36am

Oh no, not another one of those threads, there are at least a trillion on here already.....

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 2:38am

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Why wouldn't you dob them in? They're stealing our money.

Was that question for me?

If so, I wasn't saying she SHOULDN'T dob them in. I was just saying I was not recommending one way or the other coz it's not my decision to make. But if I DID have this problem and I had the information the OP has, I wouldn't feel I had the right to complain about it if I didn't pass the information on to the proper authorities.

(I've edited my post accordingly as it DID look like I was advising against dobbing them in, which wasn't my intention)

studdlymurphy · 13-12-2011 2:44am

Im not one to snitch but there is 4 done so far. Link here for anyone who wants to be a snitch with me.

Overheal · 13-12-2011 2:44am

EGAR wrote: »

Oh no, not another one of those threads, there are at least a trillion on here already.....

Is that a reflection of the activity though, that's the problem.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 2:45am

studdlymurphy wrote: »

Im not one to snitch but there is 4 done so far. Link here for anyone who wants to be a snitch with me.

so wait, you DID report 4 of them?

Why not the other 10?

policarp · 13-12-2011 2:46am

In some cases it's a passport to free accomodation, income and away from an unhealthy family environment.
In other cases the system is abused.
Who should judge?
If you know the system is being abused
then report it. . .

EGAR · 13-12-2011 2:48am

Overheal wrote: »

Is that a reflection of the activity though, that's the problem.

It's a reflection of the poor ability of users to use the search function given above.

studdlymurphy · 13-12-2011 2:49am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why not the other 10?

So far. Now at 9, you have to name and give details, it takes time.

Overheal · 13-12-2011 2:50am

EGAR wrote: »

It's a reflection of the poor ability of users to use the search function given above.

Ah ok I thought it might be the widespread abuse of the insufficient checks and balances on dole fraud. But thanks.

EGAR · 13-12-2011 2:52am

Overheal wrote: »

Ah ok I thought it might be the widespread abuse of the insufficient checks and balances on dole fraud. But thanks.

No, it's the repetition. It gets a bit tedious for regular users of AH

. But thanks for pointing out what you think is wrong from far away.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 2:53am

studdlymurphy wrote: »

So far. Now at 9, you have to name and give details, it takes time.

You'd get shived in prison snitchy boy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq8Dk-WRMZg

studdlymurphy · 13-12-2011 2:58am

EGAR wrote: »

It's a reflection of the poor ability of users to use the search function given above.

Overheal wrote: »

Ah ok I thought it might be the widespread abuse of the insufficient checks and balances on dole fraud. But thanks.

I didnt search as I was stating a ratio of 7:1 viewed by me and didnt think that someone else would have started a thread like that. Maybe you can find one?
I wasnt looking for people to give me the go ahead to report it.
I was hoping to get replies with what sort of numbers other people had seen.

But thanks for pointing out my inability to use the search function

scholar007 · 13-12-2011 11:45am

studdlymurphy wrote: »

I know 2 people who claim this payment and the fathers are not around. Yet I know 14 people who claim it and have the partner living with them.
Does this ratio meet other peoples observations?
Im not saying it should be done away with as some people do need it, but I think it should be policed a bit better.

Surely not! This can't be happening. I better look into this matter. Where would I find the directory that lists those in receipt of the one parent allowance so I can park outside their house and observe who comes(sorry) and goes?

Ledger · 13-12-2011 11:55am

My sister works in the social, in the one parent family section. Believe me, they hate it as much as we do. It takes a lot of time in some cases that these people are cheating the system, months sometimes. It's all a matter of waiting for them to slip up sometimes unfortunately, which they usually do eventually.

Logical Fallacy · 13-12-2011 12:19pm

studdlymurphy wrote: »

I know 2 people who claim this payment and the fathers are not around. Yet I know 14 people who claim it and have the partner living with them.
Does this ratio meet other peoples observations?
Im not saying it should be done away with as some people do need it, but I think it should be policed a bit better.

That's 14 people you are not reporting.

Why bitch about something if you are not willing to fix it?

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-12-2011 12:27pm

scholar007 wrote: »

Surely not! This can't be happening. I better look into this matter. Where would I find the directory that lists those in receipt of the one parent allowance so I can park outside their house and observe who comes(sorry) and goes?

Why wait for them to slip up?

just round them up and get the workhouses going full tilt again,these single mothers must be punished along with the disabled for destroying the state

When i see that poor man Fitzpatrick having to spend one night in a cell while these people swan around on a couple of hundred euro a week it makes my bloody blood boil

carfiosaoorl · 13-12-2011 12:36pm

Jesus Christ are we really going to do this again

F1ngers · 13-12-2011 12:41pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

That's 14 people you are not reporting.

Why bitch about something if you are not willing to fix it?

He's down to 9 at last count.

Why post if you're not going to read the whole thread.

studdlymurphy wrote: »

So far. Now at 9, you have to name and give details, it takes time.

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 12:46pm

The way I look at it it's not Actual lone parents scamming it, it's couples who are falsely claiming the OPA also 37 is the average age so that put to bed the notion that all lone parents are snotty nosed 18 yr olds

slowmoe · 13-12-2011 12:51pm

I know a girl who is a legitimate lone parent receiving no support from the father. Someone snitched on her that she was in receipt of cash payments from the father and the social welfare cut cancelled her payment for the investigation. It took her a long while to sort out and in the meanwhile the father actually died so the welfare told her she had to re apply. She was a few months without welfare in all

TheZohanS · 13-12-2011 1:01pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why wait for them to slip up?

just round them up and get the workhouses going full tilt again,these single mothers must be punished along with the disabled for destroying the state

When i see that poor man Fitzpatrick having to spend one night in a cell while these people swan around on a couple of hundred euro a week it makes my bloody blood boil

That's a strawman. Nobody is saying that single mothers or the disabled should be punished at all. What some people are saying is that people who make fraudulent claims should be punished and frankly I agree with them.

Yes it's an absolute disgrace about Fitzpatrick and he should be locked up, but if we keep ignoring all fraud because some of the big boys got away all we're doing is feeding a culture of fraud in this country.

It needs to stop and we need to stop it.

studdlymurphy · 13-12-2011 1:17pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why wait for them to slip up?

just round them up and get the workhouses going full tilt again,these single mothers must be punished along with the disabled for destroying the state

When i see that poor man Fitzpatrick having to spend one night in a cell while these people swan around on a couple of hundred euro a week it makes my bloody blood boil

Im not against the lone payment I just think it should go to those who are entitled to it not to couples pretending to not be together. I dont mind paying taxes to support the state and people in it but I dont want to be paying to help people who are not entitled.

scholar007 · 13-12-2011 4:26pm

Ledger wrote: »

My sister works in the social, in the one parent family section. Believe me, they hate it as much as we do. It takes a lot of time in some cases that these people are cheating the system, months sometimes. It's all a matter of waiting for them to slip up sometimes unfortunately, which they usually do eventually.

Go'wan, tell us - How do they slip up? Can you ask your sister if most of her clients wear tracksuits and hoodies?

ilovesleep · 13-12-2011 4:40pm

TheZohan wrote: »

That's a strawman. Nobody is saying that single mothers or the disabled should be punished at all. What some people are saying is that people who make fraudulent claims should be punished and frankly I agree with them.

Yes it's an absolute disgrace about Fitzpatrick and he should be locked up, but if we keep ignoring all fraud because some of the big boys got away all we're doing is feeding a culture of fraud in this country.

It needs to stop and we need to stop it.

But what makes it acceptable to go after one group eg single mothers and not the other group ie those at the top of the pyramid property scheme. What makes it acceptable to allow one group to walk away free.

That is discrimination and it's hypocrital.

The irish are weak and spineless. We must be the only nation that allows the priests to rape children for decades and allow them to walk free from the damage they caused. Yet if one was to witness such abuse from a neighbour they would pick up the phone. It is as clear as daylight the irish or the majority are gutless and afraid of those in power.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 4:42pm

ilovesleep wrote: »

But what makes it acceptable to go after one group eg single mothers and not the other group ie those at the top of the pyramid property scheme. What makes it acceptable to walk away free.

That is discrimination and it's hypocrital.

The irish are weak and spineless. We must be the only nation that allows the priests to rape children for decades and allow them to walk free from the damage they caused. Yet if one was to witness such abuse from a neighbour they would pick up the phone. It is as clear as daylight the irish or the majority are gutless and afraid of those in power.

So....... what you're saying is....... you think social welfare fraud is comparable to child rape?

whydoibother? · 13-12-2011 4:47pm

I understand that you can see pretty clearly when two people are living together, but how do you work out when one of them is claiming a single parent allowance?

ilovesleep · 13-12-2011 4:51pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

So....... what you're saying is....... you think social welfare fraud is comparable to child rape?

I'm not comparing the two but it is clear to see people are afraid of those in power.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 4:53pm

ilovesleep wrote: »

I'm not comparing the two but it is clear to see people are afraid of those in power.

It looks to me like you are. You're talking about child rape in a thread about social welfare fraud.

Crazy Horse 6 · 13-12-2011 4:56pm

Its the single mothers,the blacks,they truk our jobs etc...

curlzy · 13-12-2011 4:59pm

Fair play to your Studdlymurphy! If we had more people like you, willing to make an effort rather than just moaning about stuff then we'd be in alot better shape as a country. So yeah, fair play.

booboo88 · 13-12-2011 5:00pm

EGAR wrote: »

No, it's the repetition. It gets a bit tedious for regular users of AH . But thanks for pointing out what you think is wrong from far away.

But if you bring up old threads you get a slapped wrist so its a lose lose situation

AeoNGriM · 13-12-2011 5:04pm

EGAR wrote: »

Oh no, not another one of those threads, there are at least a trillion on here already.....

And every last one of them are justified so quit yer yappin!

biko · 13-12-2011 5:35pm

"(Someone else) should do something about it!" <- don't be this person.

Pherekydes · 13-12-2011 5:53pm

ilovesleep wrote: »

The irish are weak and spineless. We must be the only nation that allows the priests to rape children for decades and allow them to walk free from the damage they caused.

What's this 'we' shíte?

I was born in 1960 and I never heard of any of this stuff until it came out in the '90s.

homerjay2005 · 13-12-2011 6:13pm

i know 3 such cases, here is one of them.

me and my missus were on holidays a while back and we met this couple who travelled with us and stayed in the same hotel.

both were unemployed and were so for 3 years.
they were unmarried and had a 4 year old child.
as far as the government was concerned, there was no connection between the the mother and father.
she got her rent allowance, fis, loan parent, childrens allowance, dole, you name it, she got it.
he also had social welfare.
their holiday cost 2,500 euro.
they had another one costing 2,000 euro coming up.
they both owned a car and had a spare one also.
their rent was 1000 a month in a lovely 3 bed house outside dublin, all paid for.

they were contemplating spending over 3000euro on a luxury item that they didnt need.

we asked them did they plan on getting married and they said no and laughed. "why should we, we will lose everything".

no tell me, is this fair. in theory they are not doing a whole pile wrong apart from him living there, if he wasnt around, she would still get all the same benifits, which is just criminal.

the 1000s of empty apartments that are for sale around the city and country, that are perfect to live in, should be used for people in receipt of rent allowance instead. this would save up to 1billion a year and get these properties back into the mainstream rather than rotting away not being used.

Millicent · 13-12-2011 6:33pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i know 3 such cases, here is one of them.

me and my missus were on holidays a while back and we met this couple who travelled with us and stayed in the same hotel.

both were unemployed and were so for 3 years.
they were unmarried and had a 4 year old child.
as far as the government was concerned, there was no connection between the the mother and father.
she got her rent allowance, fis, loan parent, childrens allowance, dole, you name it, she got it.
he also had social welfare.
their holiday cost 2,500 euro.
they had another one costing 2,000 euro coming up.
they both owned a car and had a spare one also.
their rent was 1000 a month in a lovely 3 bed house outside dublin, all paid for.

they were contemplating spending over 3000euro on a luxury item that they didnt need.

we asked them did they plan on getting married and they said no and laughed. "why should we, we will lose everything".

no tell me, is this fair. in theory they are not doing a whole pile wrong apart from him living there, if he wasnt around, she would still get all the same benifits, which is just criminal.

the 1000s of empty apartments that are for sale around the city and country, that are perfect to live in, should be used for people in receipt of rent allowance instead. this would save up to 1billion a year and get these properties back into the mainstream rather than rotting away not being used.

Eh, yes they are. They're committing fraud.

His/her dole would also be minimised if they lived together officially but she would be down his welfare income if he wasn't around.

abouttobebanned · 13-12-2011 6:54pm

You'd think people should be worrying about their own lives without poking into other people's.

MrStuffins · 13-12-2011 6:59pm

abouttobebanned wrote: »

You'd think people should be worrying about their own lives without poking into other people's.

Yeah, if you're talking about their sex life or what kind of bread they choose for dinner.

But when you're talking about a form of fraud that effects us all, especially when none of us have a penny and there are people being really severely effected by welfare cuts, you have every right to complain.

Irish Guitarist · 13-12-2011 6:59pm

I know a woman who has three children by five different fathers. They all live together in a gold mansion paid for by the government. When the walls of the mansion get dirty they don't bother cleaning it, they just claim a new one. They get the dole, disability benefit, disability allowance, the old age pension and whatever other social welfare payment I left out. In total they earn €1278768676887.98 an hour. They go driving around in a gold car and laugh and jeer at people who work. :mad:

gcgirl · 13-12-2011 7:00pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i know 3 such cases, here is one of them.

me and my missus were on holidays a while back and we met this couple who travelled with us and stayed in the same hotel.

both were unemployed and were so for 3 years.
they were unmarried and had a 4 year old child.
as far as the government was concerned, there was no connection between the the mother and father.
she got her rent allowance, fis, loan parent, childrens allowance, dole, you name it, she got it.
he also had social welfare.
their holiday cost 2,500 euro.
they had another one costing 2,000 euro coming up.
they both owned a car and had a spare one also.
their rent was 1000 a month in a lovely 3 bed house outside dublin, all paid for.

they were contemplating spending over 3000euro on a luxury item that they didnt need.

we asked them did they plan on getting married and they said no and laughed. "why should we, we will lose everything".

no tell me, is this fair. in theory they are not doing a whole pile wrong apart from him living there, if he wasnt around, she would still get all the same benifits, which is just criminal.

the 1000s of empty apartments that are for sale around the city and country, that are perfect to live in, should be used for people in receipt of rent allowance instead. this would save up to 1billion a year and get these properties back into the mainstream rather than rotting away not being used.

One thing you cannot get OPFA and FIS impossible you only get FIS if you work as a kind of top up if your low paid and report them as she IS NOT a lone patent
Plus you cannot get Dole and OPFA
And you cannot get Dole and FIS

moco · 13-12-2011 7:00pm

abouttobebanned wrote: »

You'd think people should be worrying about their own lives without poking into other people's.

Social welfare fraud affects every tax payer's life.

K-9 · 13-12-2011 7:29pm

Millicent wrote: »

Eh, yes they are. They're committing fraud. His/her dole would also be minimised if they lived together officially but she would be down his welfare income if he wasn't around.

They also give the many, many good, hard working single parents trying to get on in life a bad name, contribute to the stigma.

As for Seanie Fitz or whoever, I don't think people are jailed for welfare fraud unless its pretty bad, like multiple identities.

starlight baby · 13-12-2011 8:11pm

gcgirl before you advise people to rush off reporting others you may want to check your facts: you CAN get OPFA (or part payment of) and FIS. All above board and legal providing you meet the criteria.

woodoo · 13-12-2011 8:23pm

EGAR wrote: »

No, it's the repetition. It gets a bit tedious for regular users of AH . But thanks for pointing out what you think is wrong from far away.

You could always do what i do when i'm not interested in a thread.... don't click into it.

EGAR · 13-12-2011 8:27pm

AeoNGriM wrote: »

And every last one of them are justified so quit yer yappin!

I am entitled to my opinion, I am also entitled to voice it - whether you like it or not is beside the point.

But thank you for pointing out how justified yet another whining thread about Lone Parents and so on is. Meh.

homerjay2005 · 13-12-2011 8:28pm

abouttobebanned wrote: »

You'd think people should be worrying about their own lives without poking into other people's.

lol.....so its ok for others to sit on their holes all day,claim 30k in benifits and dont contribute a single thing to the state, possibly frauding the state also, while the rest of us go out to work to pay for it?

right.

woodoo · 13-12-2011 8:29pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i know 3 such cases, here is one of them.

me and my missus were on holidays a while back and we met this couple who travelled with us and stayed in the same hotel.

both were unemployed and were so for 3 years.
they were unmarried and had a 4 year old child.
as far as the government was concerned, there was no connection between the the mother and father.
she got her rent allowance, fis, loan parent, childrens allowance, dole, you name it, she got it.
he also had social welfare.
their holiday cost 2,500 euro.
they had another one costing 2,000 euro coming up.
they both owned a car and had a spare one also.
their rent was 1000 a month in a lovely 3 bed house outside dublin, all paid for.

they were contemplating spending over 3000euro on a luxury item that they didnt need.

we asked them did they plan on getting married and they said no and laughed. "why should we, we will lose everything".

no tell me, is this fair. in theory they are not doing a whole pile wrong apart from him living there, if he wasnt around, she would still get all the same benifits, which is just criminal.

the 1000s of empty apartments that are for sale around the city and country, that are perfect to live in, should be used for people in receipt of rent allowance instead. this would save up to 1billion a year and get these properties back into the mainstream rather than rotting away not being used.

I don't understand why this is not put in the hands of Detectives. This should be forensically investigated like the crime that it is and they should be jailed for a decent stretch if convicted.

These people are robbing thousands from the state? I don't understand why it is not dealt with by the Guards.

TheZohanS · 13-12-2011 8:29pm

ilovesleep wrote: »

But what makes it acceptable to go after one group eg single mothers and not the other group ie those at the top of the pyramid property scheme. What makes it acceptable to allow one group to walk away free.

That is discrimination and it's hypocrital.

The irish are weak and spineless. We must be the only nation that allows the priests to rape children for decades and allow them to walk free from the damage they caused. Yet if one was to witness such abuse from a neighbour they would pick up the phone. It is as clear as daylight the irish or the majority are gutless and afraid of those in power.

If you read my post you would see that I wrote that anyone who is committing fraud should be reported, let it be single mothers or the likes of FitzPatrick. It's interesting that you bring up rape and the Catholic Church here, I think it's widely accepted that those that did not report the crimes had their part to play in the pain and suffering caused by these abusers, likewise it's our duty to ensure that anyone that is committing fraud is reported, and that goes right across the board.

Report everyone, allow no fraudsters to walk free and that includes the big boys, but we should not use the fact that the big boys haven't been put in jail yet as an excuse to turn a blind eye to others, the "everybody is doing it" attitude will get us nowhere.

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