STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

pcasso · 11-10-2014 1:40pm

ABC101 wrote: »

I may be wrong,, but I think you can fit a stove up to but not greater than 5Kw into a room which does not have a external vent.

Once you go above this threshold you either require a vent, or you must put in an external air supply source.

Otherwise the stove will not work correctly ( due to lack of air / draught) and you run the risk of CO getting into the room.

The info you supplied seems a bit contradictory, if the apartment is 10 years old it should be well insulated to a high standard anyway. So why put in a stove?

You will have to put in a Stainless steel liner for the flue. Will the fitters be able to gain access to the roof? I mean how high is the building? Two floors, four floors, six floors?

Apartments generally do not have much storage space, so where are you going to keep de fuel? Then you have to dispose of hot ash?

It all depends on your set up, but in general the majority of apartments would not be suitable for a multifuel stoves.

I love stoves, I think they are great! But the govt are taxing fuel more and more every year, I think given the hassle with bunkering coal, disposable of ash etc the advantages over a gas boiler are narrowing.

SEAI have a good spreadsheet updated every 3 months giving cost comparisons of fuels, coal is the cheapest, but gas is not far behind.

Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
We will get a stove fitted that has an external air supply fitted.
The apartment is new to us but we have been told by neighbours that they are in fact very cold and the engineers report stated that the attic space above our apartment is poorly insulated.
There is a gas fire in situ at present but we reckon that it wouldn't be safe to use without a vent. To be honest the installation of a wood burning stove is an aesthetic as much as a practical choice.
The apartment has a balcony which has some storage space for fuel and would allow us to safely store hot ashes until disposal.
Thanks again for all your feed back and feel free to comment on what I have posted.:)

pcasso · 11-10-2014 1:41pm

Robbie.G wrote: »

A stove must have a permanent air supply for combustion.If you have a stove with external air supply you do not need a vent in the room for the stove

Thanks for your reply,
We will take it on board when choosing our stove:)

kennyb3 · 11-10-2014 3:20pm

I ve read about people keeping a stove in/running one 24/7 for few months of winter. What's the story with ash in this situation?

Also is ash much hassle to get rid of generally? Will I likely end up ruining my living room carpet or is a tidy/ non Singy way of doing it?

Sanchez83 · 11-10-2014 4:23pm

You can't run a stove 24/7 as you will burn it out in no time.
Get a good ash vacuum.Its the best of dealing with ash in a tidy manner.

Bobeagleburger · 11-10-2014 9:07pm

How long approx for the chemically type smell (curing smell) to go from lit fires?

HeidiHeidi · 11-10-2014 9:09pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

How long approx for the chemically type smell (curing smell) to go from lit fires?

I had it for about four or five fires.

Gave me shocking headaches, had to leave patio doors and room windows open, and the smoke alarm kept going off.

Then suddenly one evening it was no more.

Bobeagleburger · 11-10-2014 9:13pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I had it for about four or five fires.

Gave me shocking headaches, had to leave patio doors and room windows open, and the smoke alarm kept going off.

Then suddenly one evening it was no more.

Yeah, I've noticed it doesn't happen with small/medium fires now but bigger fires it's still there. I've had about 3 of those. I do think it may be fading

ABC101 · 11-10-2014 9:34pm

pcasso wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
We will get a stove fitted that has an external air supply fitted.
The apartment is new to us but we have been told by neighbours that they are in fact very cold and the engineers report stated that the attic space above our apartment is poorly insulated.
There is a gas fire in situ at present but we reckon that it wouldn't be safe to use without a vent. To be honest the installation of a wood burning stove is an aesthetic as much as a practical choice.
The apartment has a balcony which has some storage space for fuel and would allow us to safely store hot ashes until disposal.
Thanks again for all your feed back and feel free to comment on what I have posted.:)

You need to find out what type of gas fire is fitted.

I don't know everything about gas fires, but here is what I do know.

1). Gas fire fitted into the conventional fire place, this is a fire place which used to have a traditional coal / wood burning fire with a normal chimney, but now has a gas burning coal effect fire fitted.

2). Gas hot box, this is a gas burning hot box, with coal effect imitation coals, but it is NOT the same as a normal fireplace, it does not have a high temperature flue, just a spiral wound aluminium uptake vent which goes up to the roof. It is not designed for high temperatures or sooty creosote carbon fuels.

3) Gas imitation fire with catalytic converter, this has no flue at all, no chimney on the roof. This is not suitable for retrofitting of a wood burning or multifuel stove of any type.

I would imagine that given your apt is 10 years old, it would be very unusual that you have a traditional flue / chimney. I could be wrong!

If you want to keep a place warm, the first and most important step is insulation. After that comes heat source, whether it be solar, stoves or gas / oil boilers etc.

If you have a suitable chimney, you need to calculate how often you are going to light the stove, and how many KG of coal you are going to burn a day, because are you really going to hump up 40Kg a week to your coal bunker on de balcony.

Believe me you will soon be asking yourself is it really worth all this hassle.

arbf1 · 12-10-2014 12:58am

hi all, I am back again and would really appreciate any opinions or first hand experience with the Right Price Tiles Heritage Sheelin Inset boiler stove. Advertisement I read said it has 21kw output-6 to the room and 15 to the rads and water. this sounds too good to be true for the price of 999 euro, any advice greatly appreciated as always.

arbf1 · 12-10-2014 1:14am

just had another quick google and see bpm supplies do the sheelin for 799.

arbf1 · 12-10-2014 1:52am

and 650 euro for same stove on valuestoves.ie. from googling seems to be same company as stovedeals.ie also advertising on likes of done deal, adverts etc. anyone have any experience of this company? are there parts available for this stove? All seems too good to believe but prices of other stoves are just so much. anyone know how much installation would cost approx? what else is needed for this cost wise...piping etc. Sorry for multiple posts, wouldn't allow me to edit, thanks for any help.

blowin3 · 12-10-2014 12:08pm

In fairness to the guy in valuestoves among other names points this out in his comments. The reason for my interest is that I am in the process of doing up a 3 bed house and am thinking of a stove. These guys operate in Clare and don't appear to have a show room but have good comments about their service. By the way I don't know them or have any connection .

pcasso · 12-10-2014 12:35pm

ABC101 wrote: »

You need to find out what type of gas fire is fitted.

I don't know everything about gas fires, but here is what I do know.

1). Gas fire fitted into the conventional fire place, this is a fire place which used to have a traditional coal / wood burning fire with a normal chimney, but now has a gas burning coal effect fire fitted.

2). Gas hot box, this is a gas burning hot box, with coal effect imitation coals, but it is NOT the same as a normal fireplace, it does not have a high temperature flue, just a spiral wound aluminium uptake vent which goes up to the roof. It is not designed for high temperatures or sooty creosote carbon fuels.

3) Gas imitation fire with catalytic converter, this has no flue at all, no chimney on the roof. This is not suitable for retrofitting of a wood burning or multifuel stove of any type.

I would imagine that given your apt is 10 years old, it would be very unusual that you have a traditional flue / chimney. I could be wrong!

If you want to keep a place warm, the first and most important step is insulation. After that comes heat source, whether it be solar, stoves or gas / oil boilers etc.

If you have a suitable chimney, you need to calculate how often you are going to light the stove, and how many KG of coal you are going to burn a day, because are you really going to hump up 40Kg a week to your coal bunker on de balcony.

Believe me you will soon be asking yourself is it really worth all this hassle.

Thanks for your opinions.
Plenty of food for though and much to ponder.

Sanchez83 · 12-10-2014 12:36pm

Again to reiterate a point I've made before if it's not a branded stove it is not worth taking the chance.Would you drive a non branded car?
Ok the guys you have no connection to are great by all accounts...
That doesn't take away the reality that you are getting a stove which has no brand,possibly no genuine certification and in years to come may not be able to get parts for.
By the way,that website has no address for that company or landline.....only an email and mobile number.

Bobeagleburger · 12-10-2014 12:44pm

Why take the risk on an unbranded stoves when a good brand with a long warranty can be picked up for probably a few hundred more.

elastico · 12-10-2014 1:01pm

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Again to reiterate a point I've made before if it's not a branded stove it is not worth taking the chance.Would you drive a non branded car?
Ok the guys you have no connection to are great by all accounts...
That doesn't take away the reality that you are getting a stove which has no brand,possibly no genuine certification and in years to come may not be able to get parts for.
By the way,that website has no address for that company or landline.....only an email and mobile number.

Big difference in a stove for €250 and a car for €25000 though.

A stove just sits there in the corner and there isn't a huge amount that can go wrong with them.

Whats the point in paying hundreds extra to a shop for something that's called for example Henley or Hamco when its probably imported from China at similar unit cost on day one?

blowin3 · 12-10-2014 1:10pm

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Again to reiterate a point I've made before if it's not a branded stove it is not worth taking the chance.Would you drive a non branded car?
Ok the guys you have no connection to are great by all accounts...
That doesn't take away the reality that you are getting a stove which has no brand,possibly no genuine certification and in years to come may not be able to get parts for.
By the way,that website has no address for that company or landline.....only an email and mobile number.

Am I correct in saying that Price right tiles are selling the same make and model. I am not going to get into an argument with you as I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to stoves. But I will comment on Generics lots of branded stuff and generic stuff come out of the same factories especially in China where a lot of the modern stoves are made. If it comes to cars lots of different car brands are also made in the same factories that I do know! Again I reiterate I have no connection with these people but I do happen to live in Clare not my fault :rolleyes:

Sanchez83 · 12-10-2014 2:41pm

elastico wrote: »

Big difference in a stove for €250 and a car for €25000 though.

A stove just sits there in the corner and there isn't a huge amount that can go wrong with them.

Whats the point in paying hundreds extra to a shop for something that's called for example Henley or Hamco when its probably imported from China at similar unit cost on day one?

Where do I start re non branded stoves.
A poorly built stove with no quality control could emit carbon monoxide and kill you.So comparing cost of stove versus car has no baring as it was safety I was highlighting.
This poorly built stove is being ordered via email online,has fake certification and because the Chinese are selling it to a nobody they are normally rejects from big clients who do quality control and refuse them.
The importance of having a brand is knowing they are genuinely certified and SAFE.Brands will have vigorous quality control checks and more importantly will be there in ten years time if you need them.
That's why you would pay a few hundred euros more,safety and peace of mind.

ionapaul · 12-10-2014 3:23pm

Hey all,

My wife and I are planning to buy a small-ish (1,000 sq foot) 3-bed semi in Dublin city centre. It's a house with GFCH built in the late 1800's with a BER rating of G, so probably pretty cold! In are fireplaces in the two reception rooms, the one in the front room is extremely small and not used as an open fire anymore I believe, while the one in the back room is bigger and still used:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0_jleoNsVcWOWN3VU9JVHlnTkk/preview

There is a cigarette box in the picture above, which may help determine size. The last time I was in the room I very quickly grabbed some dimensions of the 'open' area, it is about 36 inches high, 36 inches wide and maybe 7 inches or so deep.

The wife loves the look of the fireplace but I think I'd prefer some kind of stove, would be so much more efficient (also plan to upgrade the attic insulation and replace the single-glazed windows to the front of the house). What would my options be in terms of replacing the small open fire with a small stove? Is it too small for an insert/partial insert? The room itself is fairly small (17.25 ft x 12.5 ft), with three doors to internal rooms (two of these are open doorways) and one external door, double-glazed glass. Not sure we'd have the space for another small stove in the front room so would like to get as much of the downstairs of the house heated from this room as possible.

Any thoughts on options?

elastico · 12-10-2014 3:31pm

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Where do I start re non branded stoves.
A poorly built stove with no quality control could emit carbon monoxide and kill you.So comparing cost of stove versus car has no baring as it was safety I was highlighting.
This poorly built stove is being ordered via email online,has fake certification and because the Chinese are selling it to a nobody they are normally rejects from big clients who do quality control and refuse them.
The importance of having a brand is knowing they are genuinely certified and SAFE.Brands will have vigorous quality control checks and more importantly will be there in ten years time if you need them.
That's why you would pay a few hundred euros more,safety and peace of mind.

Lots of scaremongering there!

So if somebody brought in a container of these stoves, screwed a badge on them (lets say they make up Hamley as a brand name) then all of a sudden they become good quality, genuinely certified and safe.

Taking Heritage stoves as an example in post #3135 you call them con artists but on the other hand they have a brand so according to your post above that means they are genuinely certified and SAFE.

And just because something says Waterford Stanley does not mean it can't be a carbon monoxide hazard.

Are you suggesting that a stove with a brand badge means you shouldn't bother with a carbon monoxide alarm?

How do you know for a fact that Henley for example will be around in 10 years time. Or even if they are around in 10 years I can't imagine doing much for me, like Toyota won't be too interested if I ring them with a problem with my 10 year old car.

Bobeagleburger · 12-10-2014 3:41pm

How long is the warranty with the cheaper stoves?

Inis stoves all come with a 5 year warranty afaik

elastico · 12-10-2014 4:28pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

How long is the warranty with the cheaper stoves?

Inis stoves all come with a 5 year warranty afaik

I am not convinced about some of these warranties either. If you read the Stanley warranty for example it says your stove must be fitted by a Stanley certified installer (you will pay top whack for that) then it says the stove is not covered if its overfired or caused by normal wear and tear, (so what does the warranty cover really) and you need to arrange to return it to them at your own expense and they will look at it to see if its covered by warranty and then you need to arrange to collect it back off them again and presumably have it taken out and refitted by your Stanley certified top dollar charging installer.

Sanchez83 · 12-10-2014 7:39pm

Are you sure it says Stanley certified installer?Stanley do not offer a course to certify installers so therefore there is no such thing.
It's been a while since I've read their warranty but it used to either say qualified installer or Hetas certified installer or qualified plumber.I am open to correction here but will check tomorrow..

To be fair to Stanley(and I am not their biggest fan),they are completely right not to cover stoves which have not been operated correctly.
Somebody posted yesterday about burning a stove 24/7.If that stove gets wrecked within the warranty is that Stanley's fault? logically it is not.
If somebody drives a brand new car all day in 1st gear when they get it,is it the manufacturers fault the gearbox/clutch is burnt out?
The warranty on any product is for manufacturing faults,not for misuse of a product.

Sanchez83 · 12-10-2014 7:41pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

How long is the warranty with the cheaper stoves?

Inis stoves all come with a 5 year warranty afaik

I contacted stove deals last time this was discussed and was told there was no warranty outside of normal consumer legislation.
Most well known stove brands have warranties 5 years plus.

elastico · 12-10-2014 8:26pm

Sanchez83 wrote: »

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You are grasping at straws a bit suggesting that having a landline makes a business more credible in the age of the internet and mobile phones. Also the stovedeals.ie website is around a few years now so its more than a popup website at this stage.

I had a look on the Stanley website and it says: To validate your warranty, your oil or gas range cooker or stove must be commissioned by a Stanley Engineer, it also says you must pay all delivery costs associated with returning a stove under warranty. Theres something similar about solid fuel but its in a pdf so didn't bother printing it.

My point is that some of these warranties might not be all they are cracked up to be as the retailer can blame over firing / poor installation etc. and give you the runaround as you organise taking it out and shipping it across the country more in hope than expectation.

Anyway theres no point arguing over this all night, I have one of the cheap stoves and it works fine, and I know a few others who have them and they are equally happy, each to their own and all that!

macjohn · 13-10-2014 12:29am

elastico wrote: »

You are grasping at straws a bit suggesting that having a landline makes a business more credible in the age of the internet and mobile phones. Also the stovedeals.ie website is around a few years now so its more than a popup website at this stage.

Because its so easy set you a website general consumer protection suggests landline and address etc, --> a general point not directed at any company.
Not grasping at straws rather making point of what normal companies do and are expected to do.

elastico wrote: »

Anyway theres no point arguing over this all night, I have one of the cheap stoves and it works fine, and I know a few others who have them and they are equally happy, each to their own and all that!

Thats the key point, you have experience of one stove and its grand for your use and same for your mates. I used have a slow windows xp and thought it was grand, then I tried my partner's superfast ultrabook with windows 8.1 and realised my old machine was grand in context. That doesn't mean I would recommend people spend their hard earned cash on one.
Sanchez is offering his experience with many many brands of stove so its not a compatible argument,
ie your experience is with one brand.

In relation to the earlier post - branding refers to a long term process of building up expectations in a particular brand, yellow pack - particular level expected. Tag Heur - particular level expected.
It is not as a poster suggested just pasting on a sticker with a name.

elastico · 13-10-2014 12:22pm

macjohn wrote: »

Because its so easy set you a website general consumer protection suggests landline and address etc, --> a general point not directed at any company.
Not grasping at straws rather making point of what normal companies do and are expected to do.

I know we are going off topic a bit but that's absolute rubbish about what companies are expected to do Re. having a landline.

Where is this outlined in general consumer protection that you should have a landline. Link please.

We don't expect to phone Ryanair to book a flight for example. If a company chooses to go the online route, regardless of what their line of business is, that's their business strategy and we all know its cheaper to buy a plane ticket online than to go into a travel agent and pay for a ticket where staff have to manually take and process your order.

macjohn · 13-10-2014 2:03pm

elastico wrote: »

I know we are going off topic a bit but that's absolute rubbish about what companies are expected to do Re. having a landline.

Where is this outlined in general consumer protection that you should have a landline. Link please.

We don't expect to phone Ryanair to book a flight for example. If a company chooses to go the online route, regardless of what their line of business is, that's their business strategy and we all know its cheaper to buy a plane ticket online than to go into a travel agent and pay for a ticket where staff have to manually take and process your order.

We will get back to stoves if we can.

but use of the words "absolute rubbish" makes it hard to ignore as it makes it sound like I was making it up,

As requested the name address and contact details requirement -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32011L0083&rid=1
my apologies for use of landline instead of phone, mobile contacts likely fall within the regs.

Your ryanair point - no one made the argument that we should not use websites or that they not a valid business model.

blowin3 · 13-10-2014 2:49pm

I had planned to go see this guy selling the cheap stoves. But due to getting caught up in some thing else in the house I did not get a chance but will do tomorrow.

arbf1 · 13-10-2014 5:04pm

thanks all for replies, I didn't realise the Henley Achill insert came in a 21kw boiler model...is this new? Is the 5.1kw to the room a true reflection of what you get? Does this model fit into a standard fireplace as I know some bigger inserts (e.g. Stratford EBhe16i) need the standard fireplace widened for installation and I think this may be costly? How much does this model retail at roughly if anyone has any idea, I can't see a price anywhere online for this model only the smaller one. Thanks again.

fifib · 14-10-2014 11:07am

is it bad idea to get a stove thats greater in Kw that you need? working on the online Kw calculators we need 5Kw for our living room size and we've now been recommended the Boru 600i which is "up to 10Kw" - is this too much? I dont wanna be putting down a fire and having to leave the room cos its too hot! the one we were recommended by another stove shop was 5-8kW but was woodonly. the boru 600i appealing to us now as its multifuel and half the price!

ABC101 · 14-10-2014 6:51pm

fifib wrote: »

is it bad idea to get a stove thats greater in Kw that you need? working on the online Kw calculators we need 5Kw for our living room size and we've now been recommended the Boru 600i which is "up to 10Kw" - is this too much? I dont wanna be putting down a fire and having to leave the room cos its too hot! the one we were recommended by another stove shop was 5-8kW but was woodonly. the boru 600i appealing to us now as its multifuel and half the price!

You can always throttle the air flow to the stove, a bit like a car accelerator, you can control the speed.

Just because a car can exceed 150kph does not mean it always drives at 150 kph.

Stoves are the same, a 10kw stove could run at 4 kW by restrictions de air flow vent and getting the stove to slumber.

As Sanchez mentions less fuel is less heat, which is less kW .

Bobeagleburger · 14-10-2014 7:09pm

I lit the biggest fire in my new stove to date this evening. About an hour in it making strange noises inside the chimney breast. Sounded almost like water!

I'm guessing it was the lining expanding and contracting with the heat?

Bobeagleburger · 14-10-2014 7:11pm

fifib wrote: »

is it bad idea to get a stove thats greater in Kw that you need? working on the online Kw calculators we need 5Kw for our living room size and we've now been recommended the Boru 600i which is "up to 10Kw" - is this too much? I dont wanna be putting down a fire and having to leave the room cos its too hot! the one we were recommended by another stove shop was 5-8kW but was woodonly. the boru 600i appealing to us now as its multifuel and half the price!

The Inis bofin is about 7kw. Would probably be perfect for your room size. Not sure how it compares in price though

HeidiHeidi · 14-10-2014 7:14pm

fifib wrote: »

is it bad idea to get a stove thats greater in Kw that you need? working on the online Kw calculators we need 5Kw for our living room size and we've now been recommended the Boru 600i which is "up to 10Kw" - is this too much? I dont wanna be putting down a fire and having to leave the room cos its too hot! the one we were recommended by another stove shop was 5-8kW but was woodonly. the boru 600i appealing to us now as its multifuel and half the price!

My (layman's) understanding is that stoves operate best at full capacity, or near it.

I know if I turn mine right down when the room gets too hot, or if I'm going out and want the fire to stay in for when I get back, the window starts gumming up with a tarry deposit that needs to be cleaned the following morning.

I also needed about 5KW for my space, got the Inis Airc, and it's perfect, I love it. However like the poster above I'm not sure how it'd compare pricewise.

Sanchez83 · 14-10-2014 7:19pm

Hi FifiB,

The Boru 600i is not passive as you requested a passive stove in your previous posts.
It's a decent multifuel stove normally at good prices.
however as HeidiHeidi says above it is not a good idea to buy a stove with a capacity way more than you need.
The more accurate you are the more efficent the stove is as that's what it was designed for.So if the room heat calculator says 5kw then be safe and go for a 6kw if possible.10kw is definetly too much.

macjohn · 14-10-2014 7:21pm

fifib wrote: »

is it bad idea to get a stove thats greater in Kw that you need? working on the online Kw calculators we need 5Kw for our living room size and we've now been recommended the Boru 600i which is "up to 10Kw" - is this too much? I dont wanna be putting down a fire and having to leave the room cos its too hot! the one we were recommended by another stove shop was 5-8kW but was woodonly. the boru 600i appealing to us now as its multifuel and half the price!

It would seem extreme to go for that, the space could easily get uncomfortably hot at 10kw if it only needs 5kw.
Whilst you can control it very well you would always be holding back on what you put in and even with the draughts closed the inserts burn away.
Plus as other posters said stoves work better when operated normally.

If you are looking insert
Stanley Cara is 6.6kw and around 1150/1200 for enamel
Henley achill is 6.6kw and henley apollo is available at 7kw - I think both around mid 900's for enamel version

briman1983 · 14-10-2014 11:11pm

Looking for advise on installing the Henley Faro 700 18kw boiler stove.

The house that I am looking at installing it in has a traditional fireplace.

My hope would be to completely remove the fireplace and install the stove around 3 foot from the ground.

My fire place comes out from the wall around 380mm but from looking at the specifications of the stove it looks to be 540mm deep,

Would this require that I build out the wall to accommodate the stove, would also need to break a new opening in the flu and block up the old opening.

Any advise from anyone who has completed this work would be appreciated

http://www.henleystoves.com/fires/oxford-7kw-7/the-faro-570-18kw-boiler

fifib · 15-10-2014 10:21am

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Hi FifiB,

The Boru 600i is not passive as you requested a passive stove in your previous posts.
It's a decent multifuel stove normally at good prices.
however as HeidiHeidi says above it is not a good idea to buy a stove with a capacity way more than you need.
The more accurate you are the more efficent the stove is as that's what it was designed for.So if the room heat calculator says 5kw then be safe and go for a 6kw if possible.10kw is definetly too much.

its an external air supply stove that we are after - if this is different to a passive? Im only learning the different terms. we were told the boru 600i is an external air supply stove. our room measurements give us 5kw but we have come across a calculator that takes into account external insulation which we have - 8 inches of it! and now it looks like we only need a 1kw stove. i dont believe these exist even! its a cassette stove we were after. and another open plan style room we are looking for a modern type stove, i believe we only need 4-5kw here too.
anyone else got a passive style/airtight/externally insulated home with stoves?

Tzardine · 15-10-2014 12:19pm

Hi guys,

A really quick question.

I have an Olymberyl Aidan stove. Its a large multifuel stove.

Ho much should I fill it when using coal. I usually have 1 to 2 layers of coal in it but I feel that I should be putting more. I am afraid to put too much on though.

Any thoughts?

Bobeagleburger · 15-10-2014 1:03pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

I lit the biggest fire in my new stove to date this evening.

About an hour in it making strange noises inside the chimney breast. Sounded almost like water!

I'm guessing it was the lining expanding and contracting with the heat?

Anyone know anything on this?

crxsi09 · 15-10-2014 6:07pm

Hi everyone.
Looking to get a 5/6kw stove for room at house.but uncertain as whether to get a multi fuel stove or oil stove.ot wont be connected to boiler or rads etc..just to heat downstair rooms etc. Friend has a nester martin oil one and says its very economical.
Any advice? How economical are multi fuel to run? We have a normal open coal fire which is ridicolous to run nowadays anyway.
Thanks

crxsi09 · 15-10-2014 6:14pm

Hi everyone.
Looking to get a 5/6kw stove for room at house.but uncertain as whether to get a multi fuel stove or oil stove.ot wont be connected to boiler or rads etc..just to heat downstair rooms etc. Friend has a nester martin oil one and says its very economical.
Any advice? How economical are multi fuel to run? We have a normal open coal fire which is ridicolous to run nowadays anyway.
Thanks

blowin3 · 16-10-2014 4:41pm

blowin3 wrote: »

I had planned to go see this guy selling the cheap stoves. But due to getting caught up in some thing else in the house I did not get a chance but will do tomorrow.

Well I finally got to see this guy in Sixmilebridge Co.Clare. He has a warehouse out the back of his house and has stoves on show. I found him both knowledgeable and helpful and I bought a Sheelin Inset boiler stove off him for 650e which I was happy with this price. He did point out that they were marketed as a 21kw but in reality were 16kw stove but I am doing up a 3 bedroom house so ideal for me. I can recommend this guy from my dealings with him.

macjohn · 16-10-2014 5:27pm

crxsi09 wrote: »

Hi everyone.
Looking to get a 5/6kw stove for room at house.but uncertain as whether to get a multi fuel stove or oil stove.ot wont be connected to boiler or rads etc..just to heat downstair rooms etc. Friend has a nester martin oil one and says its very economical.
Any advice? How economical are multi fuel to run? We have a normal open coal fire which is ridicolous to run nowadays anyway.
Thanks

Is there an oil supply near the fireplace or would it involve extra work to get oil to that area? That might be a cost factor to add to your deliberations.

As you are already using solid fuel in an open fire then a stove will be way more efficient, open fire around 20% efficient, most stoves around 75% efficient
You mention you want to heat downstairs "rooms"
a room heater (ie non boiler) heats the room it is in. You can leave the doors open to help the get to the other rooms but dont go for too much higher kw output than you need as the room the stove is in might become uncomfortably hot.
You have a choice of freestanding or insert.
Some companies now have slim freestanding as well.

Zane97 · 17-10-2014 9:06am

Can somebody recommend me a insert stove I want to fit I'm my living room. It's 5 kW I need.

Also do the chimneys need a flue liner? They are timber frame house and the chimney is precast AFAIK. Thanks

KDutchie · 17-10-2014 10:17am

Robbie, I don't know much about these stoves but have been doing a bit of research in a similar situation recently as you can see from my previous posts on this forum. We had a timber surround so it was a bit more complicated to achieve the clear distance to combustibles required by the various stoves. We eventually went with the Aarow Ecoburn 5 Plus. The distances required are 300 above and 200mm to the sides which just fits in our fireplace surround, fairly standard size. Decided on this one as it has a lifetime guarantee and a good big glass front. It is due to be fitted over the next few weeks so we will let you know how we get on.

I'm not sure how you will work out since a timber framed house but if there is an open fire in there already it should be fine to fit a stove. We did not need a flue kit or to reline the chimney for this one as it has a letterbox opening at the back. If you do go with the Aarow, or any arada stove you should go for one of their approved suppliers.

ABC101 · 17-10-2014 10:26am

KDutchie wrote: »

Robbie, I don't know much about these stoves but have been doing a bit of research in a similar situation recently as you can see from my previous posts on this forum. We had a timber surround so it was a bit more complicated to achieve the clear distance to combustibles required by the various stoves. We eventually went with the Aarow Ecoburn 5 Plus. The distances required are 300 above and 200mm to the sides which just fits in our fireplace surround, fairly standard size. Decided on this one as it has a lifetime guarantee and a good big glass front. It is due to be fitted over the next few weeks so we will let you know how we get on.

I'm not sure how you will work out since a timber framed house but if there is an open fire in there already it should be fine to fit a stove. We did not need a flue kit or to reline the chimney for this one as it has a letterbox opening at the back. If you do go with the Aarow, or any arada stove you should go for one of their approved suppliers.

I'm interested in what you mean not needing a flue liner as the stove has a letterbox opening? Just curious that's all, thinking of getting a stove sometime myself!

KDutchie · 17-10-2014 12:42pm

ABC101 wrote: »

I'm interested in what you mean not needing a flue liner as the stove has a letterbox opening? Just curious that's all, thinking of getting a stove sometime myself!

Its a letterbox style flue outlet on back corner of the stove rather than a circular one. Apparently means they don't need the kit and just flanche in around this.

I doubt this will remove the need for a full liner if your chimney is not suitable but may remove the need for the flue kit to connect the stove to the chimney.

k123456 · 17-10-2014 1:39pm

Hi Folks, I have a carraig mor boiler stove, and find the glass needs to be cleaned daily

I am using bone dry wood, and try to keep the wood to the back of the stove, to avoid flames touching the glass

I dont think I am using the vents properly, to keep the glass clean

Whats the best way to use the three vents please

there are three

http://borustoves.ie/shop/boiler-stoves/carraig-mor-20kw-freestanding-boiler-stoves/

one under the stove with numbers 1 to 7
one under the glass
and one over the glass

I am trying to keep the glass clean, balanced with moderate fuel usage

Thanks

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