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N5 Ballaghaderreen Bypass

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  • #152
    L1011
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    road_high wrote: »
    Why didn't they amke this 2+2? I thought all National Primaries were heading that way these days. Surely wouldn't have cost a whole lot more really.

    It costs enough more than the narrower profile S2 - its extremely close in cost to the old wide profile. Traffic figures must not have justified it.


  • #153
    yop
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    Wonder have they passing out lanes?
    Travelled from Cork city last Aug there to Mayo, was a great number of passing out lanes, made life a lot easier.
    Though I am sure if they were on that N5 road everyone would still hog the right lane :D


  • #154
    road_high
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    MYOB wrote: »
    It costs enough more than the narrower profile S2 - its extremely close in cost to the old wide profile. Traffic figures must not have justified it.

    A lot of the stretches of the inter-urbans did not justify motorway but was certainly the right decision to make them all M-way.
    I think 2+2 should be the minimum standard on all N Primaries like this now, the pay offs in safety and efficiency would be huge for not much more money.


  • #155
    spacetweek
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    road_high wrote: »
    I think 2+2 should be the minimum standard on all N Primaries like this now, the pay offs in safety and efficiency would be huge for not much more money.
    I still think you have to consider the higher maintenance costs of 2+2 in the long run compared to singler.
    There mightn't be much difference in build cost between WSC and 2+2 but 2+2 is more work to resurface, hedge trim, maintain the safety barrier etc.


  • #156
    MayoSalmon
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    I still think you have to consider the higher maintenance costs of 2+2 in the long run compared to singler.
    There mightn't be much difference in build cost between WSC and 2+2 but 2+2 is more work to resurface, hedge trim, maintain the safety barrier etc.

    Build it once & build it right


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  • #157
    road_high
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Build it once & build it right

    I think 2+2 should be standard on routes like this


  • #158
    bijou
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    I know it's nothing to do with the bypass, but if true...... it's about time!

    http://www.shannonside.ie/news/e1m-approved-for-impact-studies-on-n5-around-tulsk/


  • #159
    sonnyblack
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    bijou wrote: »
    I know it's nothing to do with the bypass, but if true...... it's about time!

    http://www.shannonside.ie/news/e1m-approved-for-impact-studies-on-n5-around-tulsk/

    Enda and Ring upgrading the route to Mayo by stealth. Where is the money coming from? Nothing for N20 since 2001.


  • #160
    yop
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    1m quid will hardly pay for the tea and sandwiches for them!!! It wouldn't do a lot I think?


  • #161
    dubhthach
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    Given the minefield that is Cruachan Ai it's no wonder they have to spend so much doing impact study. Particulary as the site is earmarked as potential UNESCO world heritage site.


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  • #162
    spacetweek
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    I thought an upgrade of the N5 through there had pretty much been ruled out ages ago due to the impossibility of avoiding damage to archaeological sites.


  • #163
    dubhthach
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    I thought an upgrade of the N5 through there had pretty much been ruled out ages ago due to the impossibility of avoiding damage to archaeological sites.

    Check out the maps that Lotusm posted in this post:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81560600&postcount=90

    The proposed route selection would give the site a wide berth.


  • #164
    bijou
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    sonnyblack wrote: »
    Enda and Ring upgrading the route to Mayo by stealth.

    It's probably only so he can spend the least time possible in or passing through Roscommon!!!!! :D:D


  • #165
    antoobrien
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    bijou wrote: »
    It's probably only so he can spend the least time possible in or passing through Roscommon!!!!! :D:D

    There is a downside to that, it's easier for ming to get over to annoy him.


  • #166
    joujoujou
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    The new N5 is black now. ;)

    The brigde on R293 is (nearly) finished - at least traffic goes on it already. :D

    Will do my best to shoot some photos, hopefully Monday or Tuesday if weather let me go out of my house. :o


  • #167
    joujoujou
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    Well, it looked black while travelled nearby, not so good when walked around here and there. :o

    R293 view from the bridge.

    To the East:

    286703.jpg

    To the West (you can see old R293 going across):

    286704.jpg

    And the bridge itself:

    286705.jpg

    As before, went from here to the west, so next place.

    View to the East (from another bridge):

    286706.jpg

    And bridge itself:

    286708.jpg


  • #168
    joujoujou
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    Same place, to the West:

    286710.jpg

    And close-up:

    286711.jpg

    Another place, nothing really to see here. ;)

    To the East:

    286712.jpg

    To the West:

    286713.jpg


  • #169
    joujoujou
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    Another spot, view to the East:

    286714.jpg

    Bridge is here as well:

    286715.jpg

    Going further West.

    View to the East:

    286716.jpg

    And West:

    286717.jpg

    Old N5 will meet new one somewhere here:

    286718.jpg

    200m along the road:

    286719.jpg

    I'm very sorry I didn't go East of Ballaghaderreen this time. :o


  • #170
    macker16
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    here is a few more to the east


  • #171
    godskitchen
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    It still looks really narrow to me!


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  • #172
    macker16
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    godskitchen wrote: »
    It still looks really narrow to me!

    I thought the same but it not when your on it


  • #173
    tonytoc11
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    Are they nearly finished laying the CBM layer on the mainline?


  • #174
    serfboard
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    R293 view from the bridge ... View to the East (from another bridge)
    I was wondering how many bridges were on the scheme, so I went onto OpenStreetMap and counted 9 possible bridges :eek: Could that be right? One over the R293 (which I see is going to be a GSJ), one over the River Lung, and 7 over local roads? No wonder its' a two-year project.


  • #175
    joujoujou
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    It is possible. But I have no information how's a bypass going east of R293, so open to corrections.

    I'd say at most 4 bridges west of R293 (including R293). :)


  • #176
    macker16
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    street lights going up on main bridge


  • #177
    macker16
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    just a few pictures


  • #178
    JupiterKid
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    From those pics it looks like good progress is being made. :)


  • #179
    Ascii
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    5 overbridges and 1 river bridge = six structures in total


  • #180
    tharlear
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    In pic SAM_0169.jgp there appears to be two back to back bends in the road, why was this not straight?


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  • #181
    L1011
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    tharlear wrote: »
    In pic SAM_0169.jgp there appears to be two back to back bends in the road, why was this not straight?

    Can't see what you mean myself. However, if that is the case there's a few possibilities - land acquisition costs (road goes all the way through one parcel of land), ground issues, and also dead straight single-carriageway roads are considered a bad idea particularly if there are overbridges - they're believed to cause people to consider themselves to be on motorways.


  • #182
    Peanut Butter Jelly
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    MYOB wrote: »
    Can't see what you mean myself. However, if that is the case there's a few possibilities - land acquisition costs (road goes all the way through one parcel of land), ground issues, and also dead straight single-carriageway roads are considered a bad idea particularly if there are overbridges - they're believed to cause people to consider themselves to be on motorways.

    I think he may have meant the 0167 pic.


  • #183
    Ascii
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    In the picture .167 the curve is greatly over emphasised by the zoom of the camera. Its slightly less than 1km between the camera point and the river bridge approx. in the middle of the picture. It is then almost another 1km between the river bridge and R293 interchange which is the structure you can barely see at the top of the picture. What looks like tight radius bends in this picture are almost straight on the ground.


  • #184
    spacetweek
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    True, basically if you drove the section in question you wouldn't really be aware of much in the way of bends.


  • #185
    serfboard
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    Ascii wrote: »
    5 overbridges and 1 river bridge = six structures in total
    Thanks for this. I counted 9 intersections - one with the river, one with the regional road, and 7 with local roads.

    6 structures means three remain. I suppose there might be one or two at grade junctions (like you have on the Charlestown bypass, which was also built by Wills) and one or two cul de sacs created?


  • #186
    tharlear
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    In the picture .167 the curve is greatly over emphasised by the zoom of the camera. Its slightly less than 1km between the camera point and the river bridge approx. in the middle of the picture. It is then almost another 1km between the river bridge and R293 interchange which is the structure you can barely see at the top of the picture. What looks like tight radius bends in this picture are almost straight on the ground.
    Thanks I did mean .167 and thanks for the clarification of the distances, it just appeared odd when I looked at it first. I dought I'll get a chance to drive it any time soon (nothing to do with its completion date)


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  • #187
    lotusm
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    will the road be for for September. I think it was originally supose to be December 2014, but Wills have a habit usually finishing a bit early


  • #188
    sonnyblack
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    lotusm wrote: »
    will the road be for for September. I think it was originally supose to be December 2014, but Wills have a habit usually finishing a bit early

    Thinking about the All Ireland final are you?


  • #189
    lotusm
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    sonnyblack wrote: »
    Thinking about the All Ireland final are you?

    For sure,, hate taking the Sligo route:D...


  • #190
    spacetweek
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    Not programmed until Nov 2014 but we'll see :)


  • #191
    joujoujou
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    I'd say it's more than likely it'll be finish ahead of schedule. Considering amount of tarmac being put already (in terms of levels difference - tarmac vs. kerbs) road's surface is done. But I'm open to corrections. :o


    299084.jpg

    ==================

    My apologies for just only one location this time.

    Pictures shot from R293 bridge, view to the East:

    299085.jpg

    and close-up:

    299086.jpg

    view to the west:

    299087.jpg

    and close-up:

    299088.jpg


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  • #192
    veryangryman
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    Signs in Supervalu yesterday - Bypass the bypass. Not bloody likely.

    Endas done well for himself now, handy access to Dublin and Galway by the time his term ends.


  • #193
    lotusm
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Signs in Supervalu yesterday - Bypass the bypass. Not bloody likely.

    Endas done well for himself now, handy access to Dublin and Galway by the time his term ends.
    still another 30Km of brutal road from Ballaghade​rreen to Strokestown ... you must mean after the second term as Taoiseach :D


  • #194
    sonnyblack
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    lotusm wrote: »
    still another 30Km of brutal road from Ballaghade​rreen to Strokestown ... you must mean after the second term as Taoiseach :D
    The mayo boys are like stealth bombers. Working away quietly and next thing the entire N5 will be upgraded


  • #195
    yop
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    sonnyblack wrote: »
    The mayo boys are like stealth bombers. Working away quietly and next thing the entire N5 will be upgraded

    Suuush, we will be sussed out yet ;)


  • #196
    Middle Man
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    <snip>
    299086.jpg



    299088.jpg</snip>

    What's clearly evident from these images is the extra width under/over the bridges. I guess provision is being made for an upgrade to at least Type 2 Dual in the future. If so, that's good forward planning IMO.


  • #197
    alentejo
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    Will I be able to overtake (safely)?


  • #198
    sonnyblack
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    Middle Man wrote: »
    What's clearly evident from these images is the extra width under/over the bridges. I guess provision is being made for an upgrade to at least Type 2 Dual in the future. If so, that's good forward planning IMO.
    Good God, Just how long will Enda be in power?


  • #199
    joujoujou
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    Middle Man wrote: »
    What's clearly evident from these images is the extra width under/over the bridges. I guess provision is being made for an upgrade to at least Type 2 Dual in the future. If so, that's good forward planning IMO.
    I doubt. For me it looks like them pylons would be too close to a road in case of upgrade to type 2 dual - AFAIK there must be a safe distance left between a road and pylons to reduce possibility of crash.

    And I hope I'm wrong. :)


  • #200
    antoobrien
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    joujoujou wrote: »
    I doubt. For me it looks like them pylons would be too close to a road in case of upgrade to type 2 dual - AFAIK there must be a safe distance left between a road and pylons to reduce possibility of crash.

    They can be moved, as has been done for the M11 & M17/18 schemes.


  • #201
    spacetweek
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Signs in Supervalu yesterday - Bypass the bypass.
    I don't follow that?


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