Irelands Mediterranean Migrant Crisis Response

weisses · 05-09-2015 1:59pm

Nodin wrote: »

No. A Kurd in Turkey would be mad to stay if there was any way out.

2 points

1 they could have moved inside Turkey to a Kurdish province .. Apparently they felt save enough in Istanbul for years

2 they could have moved back to Kurdish controlled areas in Syria, apperantly it's safe enough to go back and Bury his family so why not live there.

It's a bit strange that you flee your country but have no issues going straight back in for a funeral

Wanderer78 · 05-09-2015 2:00pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

You will soon be derided yourself on this thread,because your account is personal experience and,therefore,influenced by your latent lack of empathy,sympathy,Nazism or somesuch.

This haughty dismissal will,most likely,be in the form of a "Smart-Ass One-Liner" which will change your perspective forever and also end any resistance you may feel towards this glorious opening of our staid European Union to more exotic and all embracing cultures.

What comes very clearly across,for the EU and particularly the German action in this crisis is a huge sense of National self-confidence and superiority,which fully expects this unprecedent influx of imigrants to segway smoothly and easily into Western European cultures.

What percentage of the Med Migrant flow are prepared to endorse and embrace core elements of Western European societal norms has yet to be remarked upon,however I will hazard a guess,that it will not be anything like the percentage required for peaceful and desireable integration/assimilation into OUR societies.

The Political infrastructures alone,in many of the EU States,will struggle to find appropriate representative avenues for the vast numbers now entering.

Very soon after the "Welcome to Refugees" mats are walked smooth,the very real difference between experencing African/Middle Eastern/Asian culture on an annual vacation or Student Gap-Year trek will suddenly become an issue.

Europe's Security Agencies already know that the numbers,gender,age-profile and locality of origin of many of the Med-Migrant flow will ensure that significant radicalization will already be underway and planned to continue,once the required numbers are in place.

This foreknowledge appears to be something which Frau Merkel and M.Hollande,in particular,have decided to disregard in favour of some, as yet unexplainable new ideal.

With the political dice now well & truly thrown,and a significant chunk of the Agreements and Treaties under which we joined the European Union now effectively annulled overnight,this week's events may well come to be the beginning of the hasty,uncontrolled collapse of Jean Monnet's European dream.

apologies too much reading for me. i ll have a proper read later when i have the time

SSLguru · 05-09-2015 2:06pm

We owe these economic migrants nothing , we already waste billions on lazy wasters of our own and not to mention the thousands of roma , Nigerians and polish etc who leech off our system..

These so called refugees should be happy claiming refugee once they reach the first safe country they can , instead they pick and choose which country will give them the most free money.

This is an invasion.

Right now they're marching from Budapest to Austria and why is it that over 90% of them are males in their twenties , all have smartphones , selfie sticks etc.

There is also guaranteed to be isis fighters umongst them, can you imagine people looking back on this in the future , they won't believe how dumb Europe acted.

AlekSmart · 05-09-2015 2:08pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If they had passport to begin with there would not have been any issue with the Turkish authorities registering their status and the Canadians would have allowed the sisters visa/sponsorship application

One of the parallell elements of the current crisis appears to be the reluctance of large-numbers of Migrants to engage with ANY registration or Identification process.

Most,if not all,of the countries represented in the flow (With Syrians still representing a minority) will have had Individual ID requirements in their home countries.

From the current accounts it would appear that Syrian Passports and ID documents are the main elements being presented voluntarily,as they are effectively a Key to Germany's Hall-Door.

http://www.vocativ.com/world/syria-world/want-fake-syrian-passport-know-guy/

Even the Syrian Government appears to recognize the significance of undermining an National ID principle.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/4/27/syria-relaxes-passport-rules-lets-refugees-apply.html

However,the narrative which our Ministers are running with,is that of Humanitarian Emergency,most likely as it is easier to sell to a,by now suspicious and confused electorate,who'se core political beliefs and attitudes have been effectively short-circuited by a combination of Govermental Incompetence and a new dawn of Left Wing activism finally gifted with a succession of open and own-goals by the same Government.

Our Government has decided to abandon the safe and reasonable processes of our existing Asylum and Refugee systems,which for decades has provenly worked to offer new lives to Reasonable numbers of successful applicants from all over the World.

We will rarely be treated to media pieces on these low,unimpressive sounding numbers of Irish Asylum System Successes,as they are not Impressive enough,when laid alongside numbers with several additional 00's behind them...."1,800 looks good...but 10,000 looks FAR more impressive Minister.... just look at Frau Merkel with her 800,000..what an opportunity for ...???? "

At the end of all of this,we may be lucky enough to have a Boards forum to review the success,or otherwise,of these Decisions.

However I would be confident in predicting that freedom-of expression,as we currently understand it,will be an early casuality.:(

JRant · 05-09-2015 2:08pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

But because they are no longer fleeing for their very lives they would not be entitled to make a claim for asylum in any country and the only motive for relocation to Europe would be monetary/economic which would require a visa.

I'm not au fait on all the particulars involved to be honest.
They could probably apply for asylum here on the grounds that they are fleeing Syria even though they are refugees in Turkey.

It's a bloody minefield and the whole thing needs clarification.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 2:11pm

Nodin wrote: »

The video says nothing like what you claim, for the third time.

There is no doubt that they are Syrian kurds.

No. A Kurd in Turkey would be mad to stay if there was any way out.

The sister in the video says "he has no teeth", "has a story about it", and that she was going to help him get his teeth fixed "but it's gonna cost 14,000 and up" Her father suggested "I think if they go to Europe for his kids and for better future".

Any kurd would be mad to risk their own life and the lives of their wife and innocent children who would follow their daddy anywhere because he will always protect them from harm!

When was the most recent massacre of Kurds in Turkey that makes it such a place of danger?

JustTheOne · 05-09-2015 2:21pm

Let's be honest al Qaeda and isis must not know there luck with how easy it Will be to send fighters into Europe.

Isis have said they already sent 4000 disguised as refugees.

This part I do have a problem with.

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 2:27pm

SSLguru wrote: »

We owe these economic migrants nothing , we already waste billions on lazy wasters of our own and not to mention the thousands of roma , Nigerians and polish etc who leech off our system..

These so called refugees should be happy claiming refugee once they reach the first safe country they can , instead they pick and choose which country will give them the most free money.

This is an invasion.

Right now they're marching from Budapest to Austria and why is it that over 90% of them are males in their twenties , all have smartphones , selfie sticks etc.

There is also guaranteed to be isis fighters umongst them, can you imagine people looking back on this in the future , they won't believe how dumb Europe acted.

I've no doubt you're right about many of the migrants not being refugees in genuine need.

But be honest, do you really think there are absolutely no genuine refugees in need? Be honest now.

FelineOverLord · 05-09-2015 2:42pm

Nodin wrote: »

You a reliable source for this?

Yeah, it's called research. I'll make it clear from the start that I'm not engaging with you as it's bloody pointless, so I won't be answering any more of your posts.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 2:44pm

JustTheOne wrote: »

Let's be honest al Qaeda and isis must not know there luck with how easy it Will be to send fighters into Europe.

Isis have said they already sent 4000 disguised as refugees.

This part I do have a problem with.

This type of comment does nothing for the cause of refugees asylum seekers or indeed those making such comments.

There is such a tiny increased risk from groups like IS ISIS or whatever they are being called this week and negative propaganda about the risk is only hurting those in genuine need

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I've no doubt you're right about many of the migrants not being refugees in genuine need.

But be honest, do you really think there are absolutely no genuine refugees in need? Be honest now.

In my honest opinion anyone seeking relocation on economic grounds should not be allowed into any other country without first obtaining a visa months in advance. It is the ease which these economic migrants are able to "country hop" that has created the current problem and the only logical and feasible action is to lock down European borders and only allow entry to those who have been processed and deemed to be genuine asylum seekers!

AlekSmart · 05-09-2015 2:47pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I've no doubt you're right about many of the migrants not being refugees in genuine need.

But be honest, do you really think there are absolutely no genuine refugees in need? Be honest now.

Without doubt,and few are suggesting otherwise.

What IS different here,is the scale,rapidity and organization of the migratory flow.

The EU is now faced with a highly organized and successful attack upon it's Internal and External Social and Administrative services,including Asylum and Refugee systems.

The allegation being,that EU A&I systems were overly restrictive and were not permitting the required numbers to enter.

The current EU setup has shown itself to be barely capable of dealing with the potential collapse of it's structures,before any of this mass inflow occured.

To overlay the numbers we are now looking at,directly on top of an already struggling Europe is Insanity on a mass self-destructive scale.

The recogintion of this Insanity will not be accpted until the current European Contributors beging to either significantly increase Social Contribution Rates from existing populations OR significanly reduce the scale and amounts of Social Assistance available to EVERYBODY.

There are NO magic easy alternatives available to fund Europes largesse here...so the referendum questions will have to be.

1) Are you prepared to accept increases in contribution rates along with reductions to your Social Entitlements in order to fund Asylum & Refugee programmes.

2) How much are you willing to forego in order to meet the requirements (In Germany,this is now an Open-Ended committment)

3) Would you endorse a reduction of the Irish Overseas Aid budget (Currently €600,000,000 per anum)and the reallocation of this amount to fund the A&I requirements ?

Three simple questions,as yet unasked.

Still no mention from the Irish Government of how it intends to fund it's 1,800 new customers.

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 2:48pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

This type of comment does nothing for the cause of refugees asylum seekers or indeed those making such comments.

There is such a tiny increased risk from groups like IS ISIS or whatever they are being called this week and negative propaganda about the risk is only hurting those in genuine need

In my honest opinion anyone seeking relocation on economic grounds should not be allowed into any other country without first obtaining a visa months in advance. It is the ease which these economic migrants are able to "country hop" that has created the current problem and the only logical and feasible action is to lock down European borders and only allow entry to those who have been processed and deemed to be genuine asylum seekers!

That's not what I asked. I asked that poster if they genuinely believed there were no actual asylum seekers among the spoofers and Islamic extremists. They were referring to them as "so called" refugees.
It's obvious that there are genuine cases of hardship and to pretend they don't exist is of no use.

Bongalongherb · 05-09-2015 2:49pm

In regards to that video of those obvious migrants, they are on video and the ones throwing food away should be arrested documented finger-printed and immediately sent back to their land of origin. They are clearly not in need of food/water or any help. This is not what we want coming in here to our country, but they will be allowed to continue their voyage of invasion.

The real refugees... many from Syria obviously need help, but these migrants on the video throwing food away is disgraceful.

Mr. teddywinkles · 05-09-2015 3:03pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

That's not what I asked. I asked that poster if they genuinely believed there were no actual asylum seekers among the spoofers and Islamic extremists. They were referring to them as "so called" refugees.
It's obvious that there are genuine cases of hardship and to pretend they don't exist is of no use.

If you were a genuine asylum seeker. Would you not claim asylum in the first country free of persecution. No? These people are heading to a particular part of Europe.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 3:12pm

There was a report yesterday from the BBC news about a number of passports being intercepted in the post and that most were fake/forged Syrian documents.

It appears that these economic migrants are about as organised as they can be with the help of social media and their smartphones and the word has spread that Europe is a free-for-all!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/fake-syrian-passports-war-weary-fleeing-europe/story?id=33450833

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34150408

http://www.politico.eu/article/migration-fake-syrian-passports-asylum-request-frontex/

In the midst of a growing refugee crisis, some migrants have used fake Syrian passports to up their chances of getting asylum in Europe, the EU’s border agency Frontex said Tuesday.

“There are people who are in Turkey now who buy fake Syrian passports because they know Syrians get the right to asylum in all the member states of the European Union,” Fabrice Leggeri, the agency’s executive director, told the French radio station Europe 1.

Leggeri said that asylum seekers with a Syrian passport can come from the Middle East or North Africa and speak Arabic, but have the profile of economic refugees rather than Syrian war refugees.

Frontex based its information on instances flagged by national authorities that screen asylum seekers at the border. Several countries have signaled such instances, which points at an organized effort of smugglers to sell Syrian passports to people looking to enter the EU.

Nodin · 05-09-2015 3:36pm

weisses wrote: »

2 points

1 they could have moved inside Turkey to a Kurdish province .. Apparently they felt save enough in Istanbul for years

2 they could have moved back to Kurdish controlled areas in Syria, apperantly it's safe enough to go back and Bury his family so why not live there.

It's a bit strange that you flee your country but have no issues going straight back in for a funeral

He went back because he says without the family, he doesn't care enough to go to Europe.

Kurds enjoy precarious safety in Turkey at best.

Foggy_lad wrote:

The sister in the video says "he has no teeth", "has a story about it", and that
she was going to help him get his teeth fixed "but it's gonna cost 14,000 and
up" Her father suggested "I think if they go to Europe for his kids and for
better future".

It would be nice if you just admitted they didn't say what you claimed and didn't try to drag the farce out any further.

Nodin · 05-09-2015 3:38pm

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Yeah, it's called research. I'll make it clear from the start that I'm not engaging with you as it's bloody pointless, so I won't be answering any more of your posts.

So you've no source for your statement at all then. I think its safe to to dismiss it in that case.

petrolcan · 05-09-2015 3:43pm

Nodin wrote: »

Would you mind explaining this please?

The nay sayers are wildly reporting that Mr Kurdi was wanting to make it to Canada as he needed new teeth. They are also saying that it was his vanity that caused his family's death.

Mr Kurdi did/does need new teeth.

He had them pulled out by IS when they laid siege to Kobane.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 3:45pm

Nodin wrote: »

He went back because he says without the family, he doesn't care enough to go to Europe.

If he was so concerned for his family or indeed his two precious boys why did he as an adult not wrap/tie the only life jacket they had around his two children who then would have had a chance at life? He himself would have had a much better chance of survival without a lifejacket than his wife or children.

It would be nice if you just admitted they didn't say what you claimed and didn't try to drag the farce out any further.

Did you listen to the video? If you did then why are you telling lies about the content and about what the man's sister says in the video?

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 3:46pm

petrolcan wrote: »

The nay sayers are wildly reporting that Mr Kurdi was wanting to make it to Canada as he needed new teeth. They are also saying that it was his vanity that caused his family's death.

Mr Kurdi did/does need new teeth.

He had them pulled out by IS when they laid siege to Kobane.

Have you any link to a report or evidence to back this claim up?

Also if he is a genuine Asylum applicant he would be eligible for a certain level of healthcare and dental care in whatever European country he was accepted in.

Nodin · 05-09-2015 3:52pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If he was so concerned for his family or indeed his two precious boys why did he as an adult not wrap/tie the only life jacket they had around his two children who then would have had a chance at life? He himself would have had a much better chance of survival without a lifejacket than his wife or children.?

I had no idea you were a life safety expert, or that the man had a life jacket.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Did you listen to the video? If you did then why are you telling lies about the content and about what the man's sister says in the video?

There is no mention of going anywhere for "free teeth".

petrolcan · 05-09-2015 3:54pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Have you any link to a report or evidence to back this claim up?

Also if he is a genuine Asylum applicant he would be eligible for a certain level of healthcare and dental care in whatever European country he was accepted in.

"According to Canadian journalist Terry Glavin, who spoke to the aunt in Vancouver, Alan's father Abdullah had been kidnapped during the Islamic State siege Kobane earlier this year and had all of his teeth pulled out."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34142695

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 3:58pm

Nodin wrote: »

I had no idea you were a life safety expert, or that the man had a life jacket.

Widely repoted that he had a lifejacket and that they could not afford to buy more than one, obviously in the culture they come from the man was always going to get it because the women and children are often treated as nothing more than belongings.

There is no mention of going anywhere for "free teeth".

Sister was going to pay for his new teeth but was unable to get the money to him because he was undocumented/unregistered in Turkey so her father suggested he move to Europe so he would have a better life and presumably have benefits such as dental care at a much lower cost than 14 thousand Dollars?

Please explain what exactly was the imminent danger they faced in Turkey(in any time of the 3 years they were there!) that made them eligible for asylum or anything more than economic migrants looking for a better life than their poorer home country could give them?

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 4:02pm

petrolcan wrote: »

"According to Canadian journalist Terry Glavin, who spoke to the aunt in Vancouver, Alan's father Abdullah had been kidnapped during the Islamic State siege Kobane earlier this year and had all of his teeth pulled out."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34142695

That report also states that the family NEVER APPLIED for entry into Canada! Their stories change so often, can we believe anything that comes from this family?

petrolcan · 05-09-2015 4:07pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

That report also states that the family NEVER APPLIED for entry into Canada! Their stories change so often, can we believe anything that comes from this family?

"But Abdullah's brother, Mohammad, did submit an application, though it was rejected for being incomplete, they added."

ireland.man · 05-09-2015 4:09pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

If he was so concerned for his family or indeed his two precious boys why did he as an adult not wrap/tie the only life jacket they had around his two children who then would have had a chance at life?

I wanted to reply to this but I honestly can't think of anything worth saying that won't have me banned.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 4:12pm

petrolcan wrote: »

"But Abdullah's brother, Mohammad, did submit an application, though it was rejected for being incomplete, they added."

That has/had nothing to do with Abdullah and his wife and children though! Abdullah made NO application to Canada for asylum or visas or anything else, he also had not properly registered in Turkey for whatever reason.

Whatever about this one tragic family the bigger picture is what the Irish authorities need to be concerned about and getting the truth out of so many people desperate for entry to the EU for mostly economic reasons will be no walk in the park!

Nodin · 05-09-2015 4:57pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

so her father suggested he move to Europe so he would have a better life and presumably have benefits such as dental care at a much lower cost than 14 thousand Dollars??

That's not what he said, so you might be best not presuming.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Please explain what exactly was the imminent danger they faced in Turkey(in any time of the 3 years they were there!) that made them eligible for asylum or anything more than economic migrants looking for a better life than their poorer home country could give them?

They are kurds.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 5:33pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Please explain what exactly was the imminent danger they faced in Turkey(in any time of the 3 years they were there!) that made them eligible for asylum or anything more than economic migrants looking for a better life than their poorer home country could give them?

Nodin wrote: »

They are kurds.

Last time I checked there was no instances of "being a kurd" responsible for the death or even harm of any person ever!

Yes some places in Syria Kurds are tortured and worse even killed but not in Turkey where these people were living for at least three years.

So again please explain the imminent danger these people were in while living safely in turkey? I say the only danger they faced was of Abdullah's own making(by his insistence on entering Europe). They were well fed and clothed and wanted for nothing except "more".

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 5:41pm

SSLguru wrote:

I honestly hope the scum marching from Budapest to Austria get plowed down by lighting or traffic .

They should be met by a wall of military tanks. Given a choice

Sign up to a safe refugee camp, go back where you came from or die.

No problem with genuine refugees but these chancers need to be shown no mercy

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 5:43pm

Nodin wrote:

There is no mention of going anywhere for "free teeth".

Noboby mentioned FREE teeth. The woman was paying for his new teeth.

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 5:44pm

petrolcan wrote:

"According to Canadian journalist Terry Glavin, who spoke to the aunt in Vancouver, Alan's father Abdullah had been kidnapped during the Islamic State siege Kobane earlier this year and had all of his teeth pulled out."

"According to a journalist"

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 5:52pm

ComfortKid wrote: »

"According to a journalist"

But come on, if that was the level of back-up given in relation to a position you agreed with, you wouldn't be questioning it.

It's confusing when people who are so critical of ISIS (and rightly so) condemn/are suspicious of those fleeing from them. I have no problems with concerns about economic migrants or islamic fundamentalists (of course) - but the suffering and desperation of the refugees is plain to see on our news stations. There's no "staging" going on.

I don't get the need for people like foggy_lad who otherwise act as if they're decent, to be so lacking in compassion. And before someone says something about "feels" - humanitarian concerns are nothing new. They're not an internet or "SJW" invention. It's part of what makes this society better than the ones they are fleeing.

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 5:56pm

Cold War Kid wrote:

But come on, if that was the level of back-up given in relation to a position you agreed with, you wouldn't be questioning it.

Look over this thread and see if I have disputed anyones sources or links.

One of the lads posted similar link a while ago but it wasn't good enough because it didn't match their opinion. I'm simply pointing out the contradiction!

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 6:00pm

Cold War Kid wrote:

It's confusing when people who are so critical of ISIS (and rightly so) condemn/are suspicious of those fleeing from them. I have no problems with concerns about economic migrants or islamic fundamentalists (of course) - but the suffering and desperation of the refugees is plain to see on our news stations. There's no "staging" going on.

Cold War Kid wrote:

I don't get the need for people like foggy_lad who otherwise act as if they're decent, to be so lacking in compassion. And before someone says something about "feels" - humanitarian concerns are nothing new. They're not an internet or "SJW" invention.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the genuine refugees, but this "let em in" "think of the children attitude is just asking for trouble. These people shouldn't be left anywhere without at least ID.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 6:05pm

10000(Ten Thousand) expected to arrive in Germany TODAY alone!

It is definitely time to close European borders to Germany and any other country that accepts this level of illegal migrants. They are mostly arriving into Austria and going onwards to Germany but will spread out like a plague when they realise that Germany is not to their liking!

Gatling · 05-09-2015 6:12pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

10000 expected to arrive in Germany TODAY alone!

It is definitely time to close European borders to Germany and any other country that accepts this level of illegal migrants. They are mostly arriving into Austria and going onwards to Germany but will spread out like a plague when they realise that Germany is not to their liking!

Merkel is going to suffer backlash over this ,
If she wants so many migrants Europe should open a corridor from the med to Berlin and let these economic migrants transit directly and let the German government deal with them .
No buses ,no trains unless the German government pay for trains and buses

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 6:17pm

ComfortKid wrote: »

I don't think anyone has a problem with the genuine refugees, but this "let em in" "think of the children attitude is just asking for trouble. These people shouldn't be left anywhere without at least ID.

I most certainly have no issue or problem with Ireland giving refuge and new lives to a responsible and reasonable number of people who are genuinely fleeing immediate and imminent danger where they are living.

What I take issue with are those who only want to move to Europe because they will get a better wage here or will have better welfare and healthcare and better economic prospects.

It has already been shown that most migrants are young males 16-35 and they are mostly not fleeing immediate and imminent danger but are fleeing places where they were originally offered refuge because they see a better life in Europe!

If Angela Merkel wants them then let Germany take them all and shut the borders with Germany!

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 6:18pm

ComfortKid wrote: »

I don't think anyone has a problem with the genuine refugees

They do though. And they are refusing to believe they are refugees.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 6:20pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

They do though. And they are refusing to believe they are refugees.

They may well be refugees(having left areas of conflict) but they have no valid reasons for entering Europe from the safe places they have been living for months and years!

There is no conflict in Libya or Turkey!

Gatling · 05-09-2015 6:21pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

They do though. And they are refusing to believe they are refugees.

Because they had in a lot of case they had jobs and total safety .
Travelling across how many EU contries makes you a tourist and actively seeking one particular country to make your asylum application while avoiding it in multiple safe EU country's makes it a consumer choice not a life saving imminent life of death choice

Wanderer78 · 05-09-2015 6:24pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

They may well be refugees(having left areas of conflict) but they have no valid reasons for entering Europe from the safe places they have been living for months and years!

There is no conflict in Libya or Turkey!

i wouldnt say libya's a metropolis though. i know an irish chap that was pretty much evacuated outta there last year in a hurry due to it being unsafe

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 6:25pm

Cold War Kid wrote:

They do though. And they are refusing to believe they are refugees.

No, I haven't seen anyone on any of the many threads say that none of them are refugees or that we don't want refugees. You're making stuff up now.

It's a fact that over 70% are young "working age" men. Haven't you seen the carry on out of the thousands of em at Hungry and Calais.

All we want is for these refugees is to go to the first safe country, provide some kind of proof that they are genuine refugees front Syria and then apply for asylum.

Is that so much to ask?

Genuine refugees would or should have no problem doing this and I would welcome them here, but not the majority which seem to be voilent scum.

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 6:26pm

Libya's a mess.

I am simply talking about those who are obviously in desperation. Nobody else.

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 6:27pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i wouldnt say libya's a metropolis though. i know an irish chap that was pretty much evacuated outta there last year in a hurry due to it being unsafe

What countries around the Mediterranean are at war or have serious conflicts going on at the moment?

I know a lad that had to be evacuated outta Germany and another that had to be gotten out of London due to it being unsafe for them to stay.

Cold War Kid · 05-09-2015 6:27pm

ComfortKid wrote: »

No, I haven't seen anyone on any of the many threads say that none of them are refugees or that we don't want refugees. You're making stuff up now.

I'm genuinely not. Someone said it on this thread. Foggy_lad is trying to find any excuse whatsoever not to deem people refugees. Look at the horrible stuff he's saying about a man whose two children drowned, and who may have had his teeth extracted by ISIS.

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 6:28pm

Cold War Kid wrote:

I am simply talking about those who are obviously in desperation. Nobody else.

Yes, so are we, so what are you disputing?

Gatling · 05-09-2015 6:28pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I am simply talking about those who are obviously in desperation. Nobody else.

These groups travelling across the EU to get to Germany aren't in desperation though

foggy_lad · 05-09-2015 6:28pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Libya's a mess.

I am simply talking about those who are obviously in desperation. Nobody else.

None of those migrants look hungry or in dire straits!

We did nothing for all the African babies and children who were dying before our very eyes on the television in the famine years in Africa. now those people were in desperation!

How about we look after our own who are in desperation and when that is done we can start looking further afield for people to look after!

ComfortKid · 05-09-2015 6:30pm

"MAY HAVE" yet if I say he MAY NOT be genuine I get ridiculed.

He risked hes own and his families lifes to leave a safe country where he was safe for 3 years.

Irelands Mediterranean Migrant Crisis Response

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