Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

dcr22B · 21-05-2012 4:17pm

Felexicon wrote: »

I do get why you would be so annoyed by the wholle situation but your recent comments portay you as some kind of spiteful teenage girl with a grudge against some who stole her first crush

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Lemlin has been saying in relation to Johnston. He's severely pissed people off in his home county with parading himself with the Kildare panel after the NFL2 final.

With each developing part of this saga, it just reinforces my opinion that he's a pot hunter and a me féiner. I'm surprised that the Guru McGeeney is getting involved with such an individual considering GAA is all about the team and not the individual.

premierstone · 21-05-2012 4:26pm

dcr22B wrote: »

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Lemlin has been saying in relation to Johnston. He's severely pissed people off in his home county with parading himself with the Kildare panel after the NFL2 final.

With each developing part of this saga, it just reinforces my opinion that he's a pot hunter and a me féiner. I'm surprised that the Guru McGeeney is getting involved with such an individual considering GAA is all about the team and not the individual.

Cavan were the ones who turned their back on Seanie Johnson not the other way around, the world and its mother could see that Val Andrews was a fraud and a bluffer but he was allowed to dismantle that panel before the CCB finaly seen sense and sent him on he's way. Cant blame Seanie for wanting to play football at the highest level and he's own county would'nt afford him that opportunity why should'nt he look elsewhere??

bruschi · 21-05-2012 4:45pm

premierstone wrote: »

Cavan were the ones who turned their back on Seanie Johnson not the other way around, the world and its mother could see that Val Andrews was a fraud and a bluffer but he was allowed to dismantle that panel before the CCB finaly seen sense and sent him on he's way. Cant blame Seanie for wanting to play football at the highest level and he's own county would'nt afford him that opportunity why should'nt he look elsewhere??

he had years playing for Cavan, and as has been mentioned on numerous occassions, it was as much to do with off field behaviour as on field ability. There is no doubting he is a good player, but if managment think that a player detracts from a squad situation, or that he will take the focus off the team and have it more on the individual, then which is better?

To have a unified team playing to one goal, or have a broken squad with a talented player who may or may not play to his unquestionable ability depending on his mood?

I still dont get how people think its right that Johnston is trying to manufacture a fraudulent transfer to a better county. If he was pi$$ed off with Andrews, he should have put the head down and shown him he was wrong to drop him. And if he had done that, he'd more than likely be back playing now as the man he disagreed with is gone.

Lemlin · 21-05-2012 4:51pm

premierstone wrote: »

Hold up now see you have left out one very very important element there, lets say Banty droped Bray over the phone and told him he was no longer part of the Meath setup, and no one even bated an eyelid and let it happen -then you have a comparable case. Cavan have said they dont want him, but like a spoilt child they have decided that no-one else can have him either, net result a fine talent is lost from the game.

Where have Cavan said no one else can have him? Cavan and his club have approved the transfer. One point was raised by Cavan to Central Council in that they have reservations as to whether Johnston is living in KIldare.

It's up to Central Council to investigate same and make their enquiries. Cavan have rubberstamped the transfer.

On yet another topic, you are poorly informed. Go and read a few papers and get some knowledge of Cavan football and Johnston if you're so interested.

Lemlin · 21-05-2012 4:55pm

premierstone wrote: »

Cavan were the ones who turned their back on Seanie Johnson not the other way around, the world and its mother could see that Val Andrews was a fraud and a bluffer but he was allowed to dismantle that panel before the CCB finaly seen sense and sent him on he's way. Cant blame Seanie for wanting to play football at the highest level and he's own county would'nt afford him that opportunity why should'nt he look elsewhere??

Again, poorly informed. What panel did Andrews dismantle? Terry Hyland is working with 90% of the same panel that Andrews worked with and has not called in one player that Andrews "dropped". So how did Andrews "dismantle" any panel?

I already went over this point with you but you seem to have problems comprehending and understanding things.

Let him look elsewhere. He doesn't have to run around Croke Park showing no respect before the transfer has gone through though.

That's my piece on this thread over. Sick of rehashing over the same points with people who can't read back over the thread because its too long now. I'll now be happily ignoring it.

lilywhites28 · 21-05-2012 8:59pm

Lemlin I know you have said that your last post was going to be your last on the matter. Just that I thought Cavan Gaels gave him their blessing for his first transfer submitted but the cavan county board did not meaning it would not go through automatically after the 10 days and suggested his residency be looked at. The cccc turned him down on that grounds the first time.
Anyone know when does the cac meet? or is this going to be another orchestrated dragged out affair also.:rolleyes:

Pete_Cavan · 21-05-2012 10:15pm

premierstone wrote: »

Cavan were the ones who turned their back on Seanie Johnson not the other way around

Johnston played for the Gaels second team in their championship before he officially played for their first team in the Senior Championship last year, does this sound like a guy who should be automatically brought into the senior county squad? No player should be entitled to a place in the squad and if Andrews felt Johnston should earn his place in the squad then that is perfectly reasonable. Johnston threw the toys out of the pram, not the other way around.

Hammer Archer · 21-05-2012 10:40pm

premierstone wrote: »

Hold up now see you have left out one very very important element there, lets say Banty droped Bray over the phone and told him he was no longer part of the Meath setup, and no one even bated an eyelid and let it happen -then you have a comparable case. Cavan have said they dont want him, but like a spoilt child they have decided that no-one else can have him either, net result a fine talent is lost from the game.

Who didn't bat an eyelid? Not once was he told he would never play for Cavan again. He should have put his head down and try and win his place back.
I find it slightly ironic that you use the analogy of "a spoilt child". There is one party in this saga that could be likened to a spoilt child, and it ain't the Cavan board/management.

lilywhites28 · 22-05-2012 1:21am

Well I see the "spoilt child" avenue clearly worked for some take Joe sherdian in Meath for example. Yes we were told it was for work reasons..but I was talking to a meath man in the stands at the kildare v meath legaue match and he was telling me that Joe was only getting the last 10 minutes of a game. Wasn't a starter. The same happened the kildare game came on fairly late could of been the last 8 or that if memory serves me right. Throws the rattler out of the pram. Annouces he's leaving for the US for work and leaves meath football during the league when they were in disaray. Heads to the US. Meath pull out all the stops for him and lone be hold is back within the meath camp after a few weeks and is starting now for the championship and has got what he wants.
Thats my opinion of course and to me thats a prime example of throwing the rattle out of the pram to ensure you get what you want. Johnston's been highlighted here well not the only one in my book.

largepants · 22-05-2012 8:17am

dcr22B wrote: »

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Lemlin has been saying in relation to Johnston. He's severely pissed people off in his home county with parading himself with the Kildare panel after the NFL2 final.

With each developing part of this saga, it just reinforces my opinion that he's a pot hunter and a me féiner. I'm surprised that the Guru McGeeney is getting involved with such an individual considering GAA is all about the team and not the individual.

The Guru McGeeney? I'm guessing the real reason for your interest in this move has nothing to do with your dislike of McGeeney? You're after showing yourself up for what you really are in the post above. The fact that he has paraded with the Kildare team has absolutely nothing to do with peopl ebeing against this move. They were against it and were pissed off anyway and posters are just using it as another stick to beat him with,

Hammer Archer · 22-05-2012 10:19am

lilywhites28 wrote: »

Well I see the "spoilt child" avenue clearly worked for some take Joe sherdian in Meath for example. Yes we were told it was for work reasons..but I was talking to a meath man in the stands at the kildare v meath legaue match and he was telling me that Joe was only getting the last 10 minutes of a game. Wasn't a starter. The same happened the kildare game came on fairly late could of been the last 8 or that if memory serves me right. Throws the rattler out of the pram. Annouces he's leaving for the US for work and leaves meath football during the league when they were in disaray. Heads to the US. Meath pull out all the stops for him and lone be hold is back within the meath camp after a few weeks and is starting now for the championship and has got what he wants.
Thats my opinion of course and to me thats a prime example of throwing the rattle out of the pram to ensure you get what you want. Johnston's been highlighted here well not the only one in my book.

No offence, but you obviously don't know a hell of a lot about the Joe Sheridan move to the US and neither did the Meath fan you 'talked to'.
It was known 'off the record' for weeks before it was made public that Joe Sheridan was planning to move Stateside and this was the reason he wasn't starting games in order to give other players who would be playing the rest of the league some game time. Nothing to do with acting like a spoilt child.
I really haven't a clue what this has to do with the Seanie Johnston transfer though. Though it does seem you agree that Johnston did act childishly which leads me to ask: why would you want an unpredictable player like Johnston playing for a well oiled team like Kildare?

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 10:36am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

No offence, but you obviously don't know a hell of a lot about the Joe Sheridan move to the US and neither did the Meath fan you 'talked to'.
It was known 'off the record' for weeks before it was made public that Joe Sheridan was planning to move Stateside and this was the reason he wasn't starting games in order to give other players who would be playing the rest of the league some game time. Nothing to do with acting like a spoilt child.
I really haven't a clue what this has to do with the Seanie Johnston transfer though. Though it does seem you agree that Johnston did act childishly which leads me to ask: why would you want an unpredictable player like Johnston playing for a well oiled team like Kildare?

I asked this question here a few weeks ago. It just strikes me as odd that a team like Kildare who seem to value team mentality over individual performance maybe more than any other team in the country would want to introduce this kind of personality to what seems like a tight knit panel.

celt262 · 22-05-2012 10:59am

Felexicon wrote: »

I asked this question here a few weeks ago. It just strikes me as odd that a team like Kildare who seem to value team mentality over individual performance maybe more than any other team in the country would want to introduce this kind of personality to what seems like a tight knit panel.

He was only like that in Cavan because he was the big fish in the small pond, he was the main man and everything went threw him.

If he gets to play for Kildare i know well he will sit in the corner and do as he is told because he will be a small fish in a big pond.

dcr22B · 22-05-2012 11:21am

largepants wrote: »

The Guru McGeeney? I'm guessing the real reason for your interest in this move has nothing to do with your dislike of McGeeney? You're after showing yourself up for what you really are in the post above. The fact that he has paraded with the Kildare team has absolutely nothing to do with people being against this move. They were against it and were pissed off anyway and posters are just using it as another stick to beat him with,

On the contrary, I haven't shown myself up at all. I'm just stating my opinion that McGeeney is all mouth and no trousers and it's become very clear that he tapped up Johnston and tried to get his mitts into Shane Supple as well. It really doesn't show that he has much faith in what tools he has currently at his disposal that he's looking elsewhere.

That and the fact that a lot of Kildare fans think they're on the road to Sam now after Division 2. I've said it once and I'll say it again until Kildare beat one of the big teams in championship, they won't really have achieve anything. I should know, we had been built up for years and years only to come unstuck when the going got tough.

One other important note, now that Johnston is in limbo land but training with the Kildare seniors, who will pay for his medical care should he get injured? Is he insured to be training with a panel that he does not have clearance to play for?

largepants · 22-05-2012 11:47am

A lot of Kildare fans think we're on the road to Sam? One or two 'fans' might have wrongly thought that a Division two title naturally leads to an AI title. But yea you keep on generalising. A few Dublin fans were blowing off in 2010 in the lead up to the Cork game. I don't think that means 'a lot' of Dublin fans think the same thing. Amazing what you can see with blue tinted glasses.It is your opinion that Mcgeeney himself tapped up Supple and Johnston with absolutely zero proof only what your friends on resevoir dubs say. Johnston is still a registered player with Cavan Gaels therefore he's under the remit of the GAA Scheme.

dcr22B · 22-05-2012 12:01pm

Reservoir Dubs? Stalking us now as to what our opinions are elsewhere, you must be worried :rolleyes:

I'm sick to death of the media circus that is going on around this and I think McGeeney would be better served not to comment on any aspects of the case and concentrate his energies into the players he does have at his disposal. It's an unwelcome distraction from the job at hand and the Kildare supporters that I know just wish that it would be let lie at this stage.

I genuinely think that Kildare can be contenders this year but this messing would have me think that it could all backfire spectacularly.

DARK-KNIGHT · 22-05-2012 12:17pm

I'll say this again, we don't need seanie Johnston- yes he is a fine player but I wouldn't give him a place in the team no way!!! Purely because the lads work so hard and have given me so many great memories over past 5 years or so..

As for anyone doubting Kildare now we all know if they get rub of green they have to be considered as contenders..

I'm sick of all this Johnston crap tbh a guy I know from Cavan is laughing his ass off telling me your welcome to lady gaga etc I can't see him ever being forgiven in Cavan as he burnt all bridges he had with all this..

On another note I think Johnston was mistreated by HQ anyone else is never looked at so why would he be? He provided documents etc I'm not saying he isn't a liar but he should be taken at his word by GAA! Many stars are emigrating regular or get annoyed and say enough is enough I can see Johnston losing interest in the game which would be a terrible thing IMO

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 12:27pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'll say this again, we don't need seanie Johnston- yes he is a fine player but I wouldn't give him a place in the team no way!!! Purely because the lads work so hard and have given me so many great memories over past 5 years or so..

As for anyone doubting Kildare now we all know if they get rub of green they have to be considered as contenders..

I'm sick of all this Johnston crap tbh a guy I know from Cavan is laughing his ass off telling me your welcome to lady gaga etc I can't see him ever being forgiven in Cavan as he burnt all bridges he had with all this..

On another note I think Johnston was mistreated by HQ anyone else is never looked at so why would he be? He provided documents etc I'm not saying he isn't a liar but he should be taken at his word by GAA! Many stars are emigrating regular or get annoyed and say enough is enough I can see Johnston losing interest in the game which would be a terrible thing IMO

Memories such as winning nothing?
Contenders? Kildare fans are starting to sound like Liverpool fans. "I'm telling you this is our year"

Tom Joad · 22-05-2012 12:36pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'll say this again, we don't need seanie Johnston- yes he is a fine player but I wouldn't give him a place in the team no way!!! Purely because the lads work so hard and have given me so many great memories over past 5 years or so..

As for anyone doubting Kildare now we all know if they get rub of green they have to be considered as contenders..

I'm sick of all this Johnston crap tbh a guy I know from Cavan is laughing his ass off telling me your welcome to lady gaga etc I can't see him ever being forgiven in Cavan as he burnt all bridges he had with all this..

On another note I think Johnston was mistreated by HQ anyone else is never looked at so why would he be? He provided documents etc I'm not saying he isn't a liar but he should be taken at his word by GAA! Many stars are emigrating regular or get annoyed and say enough is enough I can see Johnston losing interest in the game which would be a terrible thing IMO

good points Dark-knight, as someone that lived in Kildare for a number of years and followed the Kildare team when I was living there, I would agree given the levels of commitment the lads give to their county, that it would be harsh on them.

Seanie Johnston could well win an all-ireland with Kildare but would he be the difference between Kildare winning and losing an all-ireland - probably not - and that's not having a dig at him, he's a fine footballer and would be a nice man to bring into a game to get a few scores.

Unfortunately your mate from Cavan is spot on with how he is viewed here now and he will I feel never be forgiven even by dyed in the wool gaels people.

Croke Park handled things appallingly here and there has been no victors - the right result came about but in the wrong way. This saga should never been allowed to run and run and nobody comes out of it well - Kildare, Cavan or especially Seanie Johnston. Interesting that the "ethos of the game" was used as a reason to reject the case - surely this could have been used from day one and saved all the bother.

It would be a shame if the game lost Johnston but he took a massive gamble going down this road and has to stand by the consequences of his decision.

DARK-KNIGHT · 22-05-2012 12:36pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Memories such as winning nothing?
Contenders? Kildare fans are starting to sound like Liverpool fans. "I'm telling you this is our year"

Looking forward to division 3?? Bitter little man.

You don't need to win silverware to enjoy the game you love or follow your county!! So yes I have great memories like you will in division 3 next year felex!! And my statement re contenders isn't me saying Kildare are gonna win Sam its me saying its obvious they are contenders and you would have to be stupid to think they are not contenders it's obvious they are!!!

You are a **** stirrer btw!!!

Tom Joad · 22-05-2012 12:38pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Memories such as winning nothing?
Contenders? Kildare fans are starting to sound like Liverpool fans. "I'm telling you this is our year"

Do you ever have anything useful to say??? What age are you, 12?

DARK-KNIGHT · 22-05-2012 12:42pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

good points Dark-knight, as someone that lived in Kildare for a number of years and followed the Kildare team when I was living there, I would agree given the levels of commitment the lads give to their county, that it would be harsh on them.

Seanie Johnston could well win an all-ireland with Kildare but would he be the difference between Kildare winning and losing an all-ireland - probably not - and that's not having a dig at him, he's a fine footballer and would be a nice man to bring into a game to get a few scores.

Unfortunately your mate from Cavan is spot on with how he is viewed here now and he will I feel never be forgiven even by dyed in the wool gaels people.

Croke Park handled things appallingly here and there has been no victors - the right result came about but in the wrong way. This saga should never been allowed to run and run and nobody comes out of it well - Kildare, Cavan or especially Seanie Johnston. Interesting that the "ethos of the game" was used as a reason to reject the case - surely this could have been used from day one and saved all the bother.

It would be a shame if the game lost Johnston but he took a massive gamble going down this road and has to stand by the consequences of his decision.

I think the GAA looked really amateur in the way they dealt with him, yes he is a drama queen it seems but really the gaa should have just told him from the start forget it seanie and fight to play for Cavan!!!

DARK-KNIGHT · 22-05-2012 12:44pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Do you ever have anything useful to say??? What age are you, 12?

I'm probably worse for rising to him tbh, he will be on my ignore list if any more trolling crap from him

largepants · 22-05-2012 12:55pm

dcr22B wrote: »

Reservoir Dubs? Stalking us now as to what our opinions are elsewhere, you must be worried :rolleyes:

I'm sick to death of the media circus that is going on around this and I think McGeeney would be better served not to comment on any aspects of the case and concentrate his energies into the players he does have at his disposal. It's an unwelcome distraction from the job at hand and the Kildare supporters that I know just wish that it would be let lie at this stage.

I genuinely think that Kildare can be contenders this year but this messing would have me think that it could all backfire spectacularly.

Stalking you? If you look at your window and see the George Clooney lookalike wearing shades sitting on the park bench reading a newspaper - thats me. But seriously you can't be talking out two sides of your mouth.And there is no one more sick of the media circus then most Kildare people. Believe me I just hope he/it goes away.

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 1:13pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Looking forward to division 3?? Bitter little man.

You don't need to win silverware to enjoy the game you love or follow your county!! So yes I have great memories like you will in division 3 next year felex!! And my statement re contenders isn't me saying Kildare are gonna win Sam its me saying its obvious they are contenders and you would have to be stupid to think they are not contenders it's obvious they are!!!

You are a **** stirrer btw!!!

How can you say a team that hasn't won any silverware bar a Div 2 title cotenders? It makes no sense to me.
Yes I will enjoy Div 3 next year as Meath may finally win a few league games.

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 1:15pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Do you ever have anything useful to say??? What age are you, 12?

Oh did I upset you?
Am I not allowed to say anything to your little friend Dark Knight.
Jog on lad

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 1:15pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'm probably worse for rising to him tbh, he will be on my ignore list if any more trolling crap from him

So because I don't agree with you I'm a troll?
Seems legit

DARK-KNIGHT · 22-05-2012 1:21pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Oh did I upset you?
Am I not allowed to say anything to your little friend Dark Knight.
Jog on lad

Nobody else here is acting the bollox we are all discussing like adults and you are starting unnecessary crap!!! Give it up felex there is no need for you to behave like an adolescent!!!

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 1:25pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Nobody else here is acting the bollox we are all discussing like adults and you are starting unnecessary crap!!! Give it up felex there is no need for you to behave like an adolescent!!!

Well once you come to the realisation that not everything on boards is an attack on poster I will.
My comment was in jest.
What memories? How about beating Meath for the last 5 years
Can't be considered contenders? Probably the 4th best team in the country. How much more obvious do I have to make it.
Jesus people chill out

Tom Joad · 22-05-2012 2:55pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Oh did I upset you?
Am I not allowed to say anything to your little friend Dark Knight.
Jog on lad

Nope can't say that you upset me, I just have a low tolerance level for morons - I know its a failing of mine but I'll try harder.

That's the second time I've come across one of your snide little remarks and its boring me, I wouldn't mind if it was even funny..

Felexicon · 22-05-2012 2:58pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Nope can't say that you upset me, I just have a low tolerance level for morons - I know its a failing of mine but I'll try harder.

That's the second time I've come across one of your snide little remarks and its boring me, I wouldn't mind if it was even funny..

You sure bro?
You seem upset

Tom Joad · 22-05-2012 4:40pm

Felexicon wrote: »

You sure bro?
You seem upset

I'll be fine but thanks! :cool:

lilywhites28 · 22-05-2012 7:35pm

Hammerarcher I was just going by what I was told by him. He was telling me that he has followed meath for years looked like he was in his late sixties and that he never misses a meath match. His grandson was there with him to and backed up what his grandfather was saying which was sherdian hadnt been starting for meath at all. Quick to remind me to never count meath out until the final whistle when the two goals went in however I was just as quick to remind them this is a new era for kildare football and a kildare team made of steel when lyons got his point. haha

As I said was going by what they told me if it was knowing for sometime that he was going for work reasons and his mind wouldnt be changed. As he was going out there to work permanetly. Why did meath pull out all the stops to get him back. Did a u-turn quickly. So to sum up sherdian left Meath when he wasnt starting skipped over the end of league and in the matter of a few weeks is back in starting mind you for the glorious part of the year.
You asked me what has Joe got to do with the sj transfer? well My answer is..Sj is been slated on here for being a so called "spoilt child" thats yer opinion its not mine. If yer going to brand him this I am going to highlight another intercounty player who has possibly thrown a tantrum and has gotten what he wants but I ask you would you cast a stone at him.

Your giving the benefit of the doubt to joe and his move and telling me that the above is wrong and that this is isnt the case. Well then I think it's fair to say that johnston also shouldnt be branded a spoilt child until the true facts behind johnstons move are known.

It's said why would a well oiled machine like kildare what him to come in? Well I dont believe this whole idea that johnston coming in would disgruntle the kildare players. Seem happy enough to have him there. Once he works as heard as they do. There seems to be no problem at all and if your on twitter a few backing him there also. The whole johnston is going to upset everything in the camp agruement doesnt wash with me at all.

bruschi · 22-05-2012 8:00pm

lilywhites28 wrote: »

Hammerarcher I was just going by what I was told by him. He was telling me that he has followed meath for years looked like he was in his late sixties and that he never misses a meath match. His grandson was there with him to and backed up what his grandfather was saying which was sherdian hadnt been starting for meath at all. Quick to remind me to never count meath out until the final whistle when the two goals went in however I was just as quick to remind them this is a new era for kildare football and a kildare team made of steel when lyons got his point. haha
As I said was going by what they told me if it was knowing for sometime that he was going for work reasons and his mind wouldnt be changed why did meath pull out all the stops to get him back. From what I was told by them it would be my opinion that sherdian left Meath in turmoil when he wasnt starting skipped over the end of league and in the matter of a few weeks is back in starting mind you for the glorious part of the year.
You asked me what has Joe got to do with the sj transfer? well My answer is..Sj is been slated on here for being a so called "spoilt child" thats yer opinion its not mine. If yer going to brand him this I am going to highlight another intercounty player who has thrown a tantrum and imo has gotten what he wants but I ask you would you cast a stone at him.
It's said why would a well oiled machine like kildare what him to come in? Well I dont believe this whole idea that johnston coming in would disgruntle the kildare players. There clearly backing him look at there body language.There happy to have hime there. Once he works as heard as they do. There seems to be no problem at all and if your on twitter a few backing him there also. The whole johnston is going to upset everything in the camp agruement doesnt wash with me at all.

your whole argument about Sheridan was debunked, but yet you are still harping on about it as if their situations are comparable. Sheridan has no previous of acting in his own selfish reasons, Johnston does. They are in no way similar, and even if they are, Sheridan is back playing for Meath. Where is Johnston? Hammerarcher didnt start the spoilt child tag, that was labelled at Andrews and the Cavan Co Board, and turned about to say that if anyone should be labelled that, its Johnston.

lilywhites28 · 22-05-2012 8:17pm

I have edited my last point so maybe what im trying to say will come across better.;)

lilywhites28 · 22-05-2012 9:29pm

I said branded on here as a spoilt child.
Hammer just asked me a few questions so I was responding to him. Sure I know it was the cavan board who were called it orginally but now it has switched to Johnston.
You say that my opinion as an outsider out of meath looking at joes transfer to boston is debunked. I openly admitted above that I was told by meath supporters that he wasnt starting. If when leaving he was guaranteed a starting place when he returned from the US in the future well then what can I say. Of course he would return to meath sure where else would he go??? in time to play championship football with meath.
Your telling me im wrong about the joe transfer to boston and back to meath again. Of course I could well be.. Could well be based on idle gossip/speculation which I formed when hearing the meath supporters and when I heard of joe's plans. Of course I could well be but then I tell you that it's also wrong to label and brand Johnston a "spoilt child" based on opinions formed through hearsay also. It is only fair that Johnston gets the benefit of the doubt to. No one knows the true facts of this case.

bruschi · 23-05-2012 10:36am

lilywhites28 wrote: »

I said branded on here as a spoilt child.
Hammer just asked me a few questions so I was responding to him. Sure I know it was the cavan board who were called it orginally but now it has switched to Johnston.
You say that my opinion as an outsider out of meath looking at joes transfer to boston is debunked. I openly admitted above that I was told by meath supporters that he wasnt starting. If when leaving he was guaranteed a starting place when he returned from the US in the future well then what can I say. Of course he would return to meath sure where else would he go??? in time to play championship football with meath.
Your telling me im wrong about the joe transfer to boston and back to meath again. Of course I could well be.. Could well be based on idle gossip/speculation which I formed when hearing the meath supporters and when I heard of joe's plans. Of course I could well be but then I tell you that it's also wrong to label and brand Johnston a "spoilt child" based on opinions formed through hearsay also. It is only fair that Johnston gets the benefit of the doubt to. No one knows the true facts of this case.

true facts:
1. Johsnton was dropped by Cavan management
2. Johnston tried to transfer to Kildare, but stay with Cavan Gaels
3. Transfer refused. Johsnton then tries to transfer to St Kevins.
4. Johnston works in Cavan town.
5. Johnston is openly training and making himself known to be a part of the Kildare set up, despite no transfer being approved.

No one is calling hima spoilt child. The quote in question was

I find it slightly ironic that you use the analogy of "a spoilt child". There is one party in this saga that could be likened to a spoilt child, and it ain't the Cavan board/management.

which is hard to disagree with.

Why you felt the need to bring Joe Sheridan into this debate I dont know, as the situations are clearly no wehere near the same, and has nothing whatsoever to do with it other than you trying to paint others in a bad light. And on the underlined bit, 'where else would he go', well seeing as Johnston is manufacturing a transfer, surely if every player feels agrieved he could try the same thing if they fall out with a manager of a team.

largepants · 23-05-2012 12:39pm

bruschi wrote: »

true facts:
1. Johsnton was dropped by Cavan management
2. Johnston tried to transfer to Kildare, but stay with Cavan Gaels
3. Transfer refused. Johsnton then tries to transfer to St Kevins.
4. Johnston works in Cavan town.
5. Johnston is openly training and making himself known to be a part of the Kildare set up, despite no transfer being approved.

No one is calling hima spoilt child. The quote in question was which is hard to disagree with.

Why you felt the need to bring Joe Sheridan into this debate I dont know, as the situations are clearly no wehere near the same, and has nothing whatsoever to do with it other than you trying to paint others in a bad light. And on the underlined bit, 'where else would he go', well seeing as Johnston is manufacturing a transfer, surely if every player feels agrieved he could try the same thing if they fall out with a manager of a team.

Just like Larry did so.

Hammer Archer · 23-05-2012 1:15pm

lilywhite, you ask why did Meath pull out all the stops to get Joe Sheridan back? Do you really have to ask that question having seen our season so far? I know the county board tried their hardest before he left to secure him a job in Ireland (and succeeded) but he still decided to head off to the US. I was as surprised as anyone when it came out that he was coming back so soon. My suspicions are that the county board secured him a job that was too good to turn down. Or it could be possible that Joe Sheridan simply missed home.

Whoever you talked to at the game in Navan obviously hadn't heard the whispers that a lot of Meath fans had. I first heard rumours that Joe Sheridan was moving to the US before the league even started which explains why Joe Sheridan wasn't starting in the league. Why would he when he was intending to leave halfway through the league (which he was well entitled to do by the way). His replacement when he left would have been thrown into the deep end if Joe had started the first 4 games.

And I think there's a massive difference in likening a player to a spoilt child thanks to hearing the opinions of two (uninformed by the sounds of it) fans at a game and doing it after there's been so much media coverage of the Johnston case where a large portion of the facts surrounding the case are well known.
And finally, to echo bruschi's point, I am not saying Johnston acted like a spoilt child. A poster said this about the Cavan board/ and/or management. I merely stated that if one party in all this could be likened to a spoilt child, it wasn't the Cavan board.
Another ironic thing (touched on by bruschi again) is your "where else would he go?" point given the topic in hand.

beertons · 24-05-2012 8:45am

Just heard there on kfm that the gaa have granted the move. He'll be a st kevins player later on.

largepants · 24-05-2012 8:50am

beertons wrote: »

Just heard there on kfm that the gaa have granted the move. He'll be a st kevins player later on.

Yea but not a Kildare one till next year

To Alcohol · 24-05-2012 8:52am

Indeed. Will be registered as a St Kevins player this morning. Welcome on board Seanie.

To Alcohol · 24-05-2012 8:54am

largepants wrote: »

Yea but not a Kildare one till next year

Incorrect. He must play championship at a grade similar to what he's played in Cavan. No one said anything about it being football. Again lack of rules in the GAA. Either way St Kevins will probably have a football championship game brought forward to accommodate him.

Felexicon · 24-05-2012 9:09am

Atleast it can be put to bed now.

But on a serious note I hope this case brings to light the serious problems within the transfer process for all players and the GAA look at cutting out some of the ordeal and cut down the amount of appeals commitees available after a request has been denied

bruschi · 24-05-2012 10:26am

To Alcohol wrote: »

Personally I'd kick the ****er back over to Cavan and I'm not alone thinking that.

To Alcohol wrote: »

Indeed. Will be registered as a St Kevins player this morning. Welcome on board Seanie.

:rolleyes:

largepants · 24-05-2012 10:28am

To Alcohol wrote: »

Incorrect. He must play championship at a grade similar to what he's played in Cavan. No one said anything about it being football. Again lack of rules in the GAA. Either way St Kevins will probably have a football championship game brought forward to accommodate him.

And why should one particular club be inconvenienced by one individual? This should be about the best for Kildare GAA and not SJ. If that means he's not eligible to play till 2013 then so be it.

Felexicon · 24-05-2012 10:34am

largepants wrote: »

And why should one particular club be inconvenienced by one individual? This should be about the best for Kildare GAA and not SJ. If that means he's not eligible to play till 2013 then so be it.

I don't think he was making the point that they should move it forward. More that the KCB will probably do so in order to allow Johnston be available for selection if the management team wish

To Alcohol · 24-05-2012 10:43am

bruschi wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Good spot lad. But its fair to say I felt he was treated very badly by the CCCC and thus my stance on the whole transfer has changed. And I'm not the only one to take this stance.

To Alcohol · 24-05-2012 10:45am

largepants wrote: »

And why should one particular club be inconvenienced by one individual? This should be about the best for Kildare GAA and not SJ. If that means he's not eligible to play till 2013 then so be it.

Very fair point. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

munchkin_utd · 24-05-2012 11:34am

from the irish examiner.

Johnston club transfer to Kildare approved
Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 09:27 AM

Seanie Johnston's appeal to join Kildare club St Kevins has been upheld meaning the ex-Cavan forward could play with the Lillywhites this summer.

The GAA’s Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) on Friday last turned down his transfer request to St Kevin’s, Staplestown from Cavan Gaels.

Subsequent appeals were also rejected but it has been confirmed that the move was finally allowed last night.

The current rules mean that Johnston would have to play for his club before lining out for the county whose Championship opener is against Offaly on June 17.

While no club games are scheduled before that date it is possible some matches maybe arranged.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/johnston-club-transfer-to-kildare-approved-552701.html

Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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