The Fall (RTE1/BBC2) [ Spoilers ]

19-05-2013 10:12pm

Lisha wrote: »

A lot of hollyoaks heads !

Loads isn't there!! Glad to see emmet scanlen in it, he was great in hollyoaks...and that's not two words ud ever see in the one sentence!!

mfceiling · 19-05-2013 10:32pm

Brilliant show

syklops · 19-05-2013 10:42pm

I want to love this show, but what happened tonight? Not a whole lot.

smcgiff · 19-05-2013 10:50pm

A solid show.

The police officer getting shot was a surprise.

alchemist33 · 19-05-2013 10:52pm

syklops wrote: »

I want to love this show, but what happened tonight? Not a whole lot.

Much the same as last night. A lot of filler too, like the 999 call. There isn't four hours of plot in this.

NIMAN · 19-05-2013 10:54pm

Some ropey actors in that show, real amateurs.

FouxDaFaFa · 19-05-2013 10:55pm

I think following so many characters in this episode was a little overwhelming at the expense of getting to know Gibson any better.

The Black Oil · 19-05-2013 11:05pm

1.02

Lisha wrote: »

I never realized how rotten a job answering the emergency calls can be

Yes, it was good to see that. And generally, I thought this one did a pretty good job in showing the coldness of an investigation (proper forensic suits unlike some other shows, treatment of the body, finality of the autopsy door closing, and so on.) whilst stilling some having emotional depth. Stella moves from review mode into actively investigating. I must admit that I think her bearded boss seems a little soft spoken given his role, but maybe that's deliberate given the pressure he's under, the political weight that's against him, etc. He might be demoted if he doesn't get the right results.

A few other possible threads launched. The distress of the female PSNI constable, though perhaps it won't go beyond what we saw tonight. The killer's daughter and things going in school. They won't drop that after what happened tonight. Honestly, I can't remember if the 15 year old Paul fought was in it last week. Very unsettling scene given that you knew his kid was watching and hearing things. Or the woman who has a baby in the neo-natal ward - is she new? And the scene near the end - human trafficking?

That said, I wasn't entirely sure of some of the moments within in particular scenes, which I'd fault the writing for, and it felt like maybe the impact was diminished a bit (not on the emotional side) purely to service the plot. But generally, I think the killer and other parts still feel pretty integrated into the overall picture.

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I think following so many characters in this episode was a little overwhelming at the expense of getting to know Gibson any better.

Yeah, I think we were introduced to or spent time with too many tonight. A bit crammed. The death at the end was a bit of a surprise. Probably should have seen it coming given that his child was waving from his window. Still, though, it's fairly standard police TV stuff to lose a partner...even if it's one you've only shared a bed with. :pac:

Now, as for the pathologist...:o

Lisha · 19-05-2013 11:19pm

The Black oil

The 15yr old was in it last week as the babysitter . Paul walked her home.
I'm not sure if the lady with the sick baby is just there so we see Paul's wife at work wondering about her husband a 15yr old and alcohol

Possibly human trafficking plays a part with cocaine guy. Seems to be high up police collusion too.
Am a bit hazy on a few things but I am really enjoying it.

Also when copper went to hotel room for Stella , why the emphasis on her flushing the condoms? Seems a weird thing to do in someone else's room

The Black Oil · 19-05-2013 11:22pm

Ah yeah, I remember now, thanks.

The toilet flushing scene was a bit thrown in there alright. Presumably it was to show that the PC now knows something personal about Stella. Apart from that...

Cartel Mike · 19-05-2013 11:28pm

I gave up when the sister found the body.
Couldn't watch the inevitable 10 mins of blubbering and cringy screaming to follow.
would have kept watching if I thought they'd bypass that cliche.

How many more hammy hollyoakes actors can they fit in?

The rest of the cast look like they've been in every drink driving advert ever made on UTV.

Gonna find something else to watch Sunday nights.

Lisha · 19-05-2013 11:29pm

Everything seems to be followed up on: when Paul walked babysitter home we saw him say to download music and then she comes around to do just that
So I think each scene does have later relevance.
The black oil suggestion re condoms and cop having intimate knowledge of her is a good one

My only fear is that show will let itself down by trying to be too clever . Time will tell

DeepBlue · 19-05-2013 11:30pm

So a wife would really go off to work leaving the wet, skimpily dressed, 15 year old babysitter with her husband having a few beers and supposedly downloading some music?
Did her own internet connection get cut off or something? :pac:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 19-05-2013 11:32pm

I don't know if this might be a bit too slow a burn for me. Last week was fine, but what really progressed this week? They've concluded there's a serial killer which Stella knew last week anyway, and......

that one police officer is dead, and his mate might be a bit corrupt

which doesn't really impact the main story line that much, or at all?

I did like when they picked up the dead body off the slab and it was stiff! How did they do that? A body cast? But it looked so real!

Lisha · 19-05-2013 11:32pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

So a wife would really go off to work leaving the wet, skimpily dressed, 15 year old babysitter with her husband having a few beers and supposedly downloading some music?
Did her own internet connection get cut off or something? :pac:

The wife went off to work after saying 'she's underage' I found that strange too. Logical thing would have been for wife to say 'you're soaked I'll drop you home in my car on my way to work'

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 19-05-2013 11:35pm

Lisha wrote: »

Everything seems to be followed up on: when Paul walked babysitter home we saw him say to download music and then she comes around to do just that
So I think each scene does have later relevance.
The black oil suggestion re condoms and cop having intimate knowledge of her is a good one

My only fear is that show will let itself down by trying to be too clever . Time will tell

The Bridge, which was on BBC 4 last year, was like that. They would introduce random people and you'd have no idea why they were there but in later episodes they'd be worked into the story in pretty good ways. This seems a bit clunkier though? Like you said it might be trying to be too clever, we'll have to wait and see.

DerekDGoldfish · 19-05-2013 11:44pm

How is everyone recognising all these Hollyoak actors they are slagging off if they dont watch Hollyoaks?

Cartel Mike · 20-05-2013 12:09am

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

How is everyone recognising all these Hollyoak actors they are slagging off if they dont watch Hollyoaks?

Unfortunately that silly show is advertised crelentlessly on Ch4 . People put 2+2 together

Prof Nincom Poop Ph.D · 20-05-2013 12:29am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

This seems a bit clunkier though?

Very.

Found myself saying, WTF and Who the **** a couple of times, annoying, wondering did I miss something, barely kept my interest tonight, kinda...boring. Kalinda from the good wife was a surprise as the pathologist.

vepyewwo · 20-05-2013 1:01am

I was looking forward to the second episode of this but I'm not sure I really enjoyed it that much. I found myself glancing at the clock quite a few times and my mind wandering. Last week was slow but I felt it was introducing us to the two main characters and setting the story up, this week was just slow.

The creepiest part of the episode for me was him giving the necklace to his daughter. I rolled my eyes at the wife being fine heading off to work and leaving her husband at home drinking beer with the 15 year old babysitter - as if someone would do that.

I'l watch next week because I'm interested to see where things go but I hope it picks up a bit.

Happyman42 · 20-05-2013 9:26am

I'm wondering if the wife is maybe complicit in it all. Will that be the twist. Some odd scenes focussing on her, like the baby in the incubator stuff, then the 'looking at the mobile or attic'...does she know that he keeps stuff there? etc
So used to bang crash wallop series that I am having difficulty adjusting to the pace of this, but I am willing to give it more time.

Basq · 20-05-2013 9:30am

Decent second episode.

And while I wasn't bored.. I do think it needs to pick up the pace a tad!

FloatingVoter · 20-05-2013 9:50am

Once they keep showing Kalinda I'm happy;). She must be there for the slow lads like myself in the audience.

syklops · 20-05-2013 10:04am

Lisha wrote: »

The wife went off to work after saying 'she's underage' I found that strange too. Logical thing would have been for wife to say 'you're soaked I'll drop you home in my car on my way to work'

That scene was strange. If he is meant to be a genius killer, then would he not wait until his wife went to work before he got the babysitter drunk?

Last nights really didn't hold my interest. Still very slow, and revealing very little.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-05-2013 10:44am

I'm lovin it

JoeA3 · 20-05-2013 10:47am

I thought the sister finding the body in the bed scene to be another very strange scene. She walked into the bedroom, and didn't even flinch when she saw her sister sprawled across the bed in the nude in the middle of the day... and even laid her baby down next to her!

hardCopy · 20-05-2013 10:53am

JoeA3 wrote: »

I thought the sister finding the body in the bed scene to be another very strange scene. She walked into the bedroom, and didn't even flinch when she saw her sister sprawled across the bed in the nude in the middle of the day... and even laid her baby down next to her!

I got the impression there was a few moments of denial, she initially went to the window rather than try to shake a reaction out of her. I think she was trying to avoid touching her at first.

I didn't really like last night's episode, what was the point of introducing us to Detective Booty-Call and killing him so early on? The only reason I can think of is that Scully's reaction will tell us more about her personality.

Addle · 20-05-2013 11:25am

Well there has to be a surprise twist with all the random, but indirectly connected, characters.
It's all a bit strange!

brian_t · 20-05-2013 12:25pm

Gillian will be guesting on LATE NIGHT WITH JIMMY FALLON on Tuesday, May 21

This gets shown on CNBC on Sky (505) and according to DigiGuide it will be broadcast on Wednesday evening.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-05-2013 3:04pm

I think Gillian Anderson is a bit rubbish in this to be honest. I get that she's supposed to be this uber cold and unattached professional or whatever but she's just coming across as not being bothered. Her facial expression and tone of voice never change no matter what (or who!) she's doing.

I'm perfectly fine with characters being unlikable if they're done well but she just seems like she's barely even trying to act. Like she's just running off the lines for the millionth time and is soooooo bored by it all.

I found the babysitter thing weird too. I'm sure last week when Paul was walking her home it was implied that she hadn't baby sat for them for quite a while, so it's not even like they're super close and she's almost part of the family so it wasn't that odd for her to just show up like that. Especially the fact it was lashing rain and she was barely dressed. Very strange behaviour from the wife, even if she trusts the husband implicitly.

I wondered if the baby in the incubator stuff was supposed to sort of be a mirror to what Paul does. Like his wife is involved in bringing life into the world, he takes life away? Like when the dad was identifying the body in the morgue he said "can I touch her?" which was the exact same phrase the mother in the hospital said to Paul's wife earlier. Just a thought.

FouxDaFaFa · 20-05-2013 3:48pm

hardCopy wrote: »

what was the point of introducing us to Detective Booty-Call and killing him so early on? The only reason I can think of is that Scully's reaction will tell us more about her personality.

Also, (I'm assuming he's dead for this) they'll have to go through his last known movements. It will come out that he was with Gibson. They'll probably find that picture he sent her on his phone.

I think he was just a device to open her up to ridicule within the force, possibly even animosity if it turns out he was married.

Tickle me Elmo (I can't multi-quote for some reason), you're right. They were using mirroring a lot. It got a bit sledgehammery at times.

Killer bathes his victim. Later bathes his daughter.
Showing the killer's kind of foreplay with his victim, then Gibson and whatshisname and their foreplay.
Father seeing his dead child and saying "Can I touch her" and "My baby". Woman with new baby in hospital says the same.

Those are the ones off the top of my head, anyway.

Happyman42 · 20-05-2013 4:00pm

Well it has us thinking anyway!

Thinking more about it, there is something between him and his wife, she has an air of resignation about her, as if she knows something or is afraid to say what she is feeling with him (the babysitter scene being odd in the extreme)
I think it is either she is involved or he has done something in the past (the daughters drawing etc) that she knows about.
There is definately some trauma in the relationships past, which we don't know an awful lot about yet.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-05-2013 4:01pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Tickle me Elmo (I can't multi-quote for some reason), you're right. They were using mirroring a lot. It got a bit sledgehammery at times.

On the one hand I think it's great that the BBC are trying something different with this, it's not just your normal run of the mill cop catches bad guy show, but on the other hand it does seem a bit like they're trying too hard at times?

Maybe it's because I've watched so much of the Danish/Swedish stuff that's been on lately that I'm comparing them too much, but like I said, I think it's good that they've commissioned something like this and who knows maybe the next few episodes will iron out all the kinks.

FouxDaFaFa · 20-05-2013 4:14pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

On the one hand I think it's great that the BBC are trying something different with this, it's not just your normal run of the mill cop catches bad guy show, but on the other hand it does seem a bit like they're trying too hard at times?

Maybe it's because I've watched so much of the Danish/Swedish stuff that's been on lately that I'm comparing them too much, but like I said, I think it's good that they've commissioned something like this and who knows maybe the next few episodes will iron out all the kinks.

Oh yeah, I'm still pretty impressed with it overall. Just being nit-picky.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-05-2013 4:17pm

Do you guys think there's anything to the mother story he told the baby sitter? About the hair, I mean?

I found it almost creepier than the real reason he had it, such a random way to try to explain it. I'm not saying it is actually his mothers hair and he washes it occasionally, but maybe his mother died when he was young, the same age as his victims, she probably looked like them too. Maybe that's why he went into grief counselling too?

smcgiff · 20-05-2013 7:10pm

syklops wrote: »

If he is meant to be a genius killer, then would he not wait until his wife went to work before he got the babysitter drunk?

I don't think he has much interest in the baby sitter.

He's got an indealised woman, and it's a professional in her thirties.

Trick of the Tail · 20-05-2013 8:50pm

I was viewing a Northern Ireland Sky TV box on Saturday night, and The Fall wasn't on - a caption said 'This Programme is unavailable'.

Programmes before and after it worked OK.

Any ideas why anyone?

brian_t · 20-05-2013 9:28pm

Trick of the Tail wrote: »

I was viewing a Northern Ireland Sky TV box on Saturday night, and The Fall wasn't on - a caption said 'This Programme is unavailable'.

Programmes before and after it worked OK.

Any ideas why anyone?

The BBC are showing it too and they have priority in Northern Ireland.

Trick of the Tail · 20-05-2013 10:33pm

Really? So its barred from Sky in NI in this case?

Strange!

Kiwi_knock · 20-05-2013 10:37pm

I watched it on BBC 2 on Sky tonight.

Pace is going to have to rapidly speed up if they are to catch him. Hope we find out his motivation for the killings.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-05-2013 10:44pm

Trick of the Tail wrote: »

Really? So its barred from Sky in NI in this case?

Strange!

Same thing happens here when ITV are showing sport on ITV3 or ITV4 that's being shown in Ireland on an Irish channel. You can't watch it on ITV, it just says "this program is not available in Rep. of Ireland".

PinkFly · 20-05-2013 10:51pm

I really love this programme, the killer gives me the heebie geebies, everything he does creeps me out!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-05-2013 11:00pm

PinkFly wrote: »

I really love this programme, the killer gives me the heebie geebies, everything he does creeps me out!

Was just going to say, last week someone was saying he was too normal, not creepy enough. They made up for that in the 2nd episode.

wicklowwonder · 20-05-2013 11:07pm

What is up with the wife? I wonder does she know of his extra curricular activities?

Interesting to see what the kid says about the attack on the babysitter. Did he see his kid looking through the door?

PinkFly · 20-05-2013 11:07pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Was just going to say, last week someone was saying he was too normal, not creepy enough. They made up for that in the 2nd episode.

Too normal? :0 he was stalking the victim,mooching in her underwear, planning every last minute of the murder, even sketching the woman in his session naked and keeping a diary of it!! He's certainly not normal!

I think the sister finding her and putting the baby on the bed was just to highlight the horrific situation.

Kiwi_knock · 20-05-2013 11:11pm

Last week he seemed a bit more normal with his family, this week he just seemed plain weird around them. He did not seem like a family man this week.

The Black Oil · 20-05-2013 11:21pm

Post murder, he's hardly going to be doing the happy daddy routine.

syklops · 21-05-2013 8:26am

smcgiff wrote: »

I don't think he has much interest in the baby sitter.

He's got an indealised woman, and it's a professional in her thirties.

Then why is he entertaining her? Its not to appear normal. He also looked up her songs on youtube. I doubt its because he likes her music.

PinkFly · 21-05-2013 8:31am

syklops wrote: »

Then why is he entertaining her? Its not to appear normal. He also looked up her songs on youtube. I doubt its because he likes her music.

He seems very tempted by her as she's such an easy prey even though she's not his ' norm'

Mister R · 23-05-2013 1:13am

Just caught up with it on the RTEPlayer frankly I'm confused, lol but thats me I never really get these things.

One thing I think I got was the role reversal of her relationship with the young cop, like she acts like the man whereas he appears like a "traditional" whiny girl after a one night stand, moaning that she didn't want him again and sending stupid texts. Him being married (with kid) has to be relevant so I agree with an earlier poster that it will be used against her when they trace his movements (I know its only a show but I feel so bad for his wife who we haven't seen, not cause he's dead but the fact this will all come out, how mortifying would that be). Frankly I was amazed such a dim and idiotic policeman made it to detective status.

Or the condoms could link to the photo with the journalist and people assume she slept with the journalist that night. Maybe. I dunno

As for the killer plot I'm kinda lost

I'm probably lost on that other plot too lol.

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