NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

mass_debater wrote: »

But as said many times FWA can be a good stopgap, nobody is asking for it as an alternative, fibre need to be the end goal to every building but this will take years. All these FWA providers need is access to the fibre and a better allocation of frequencies. There are lots of FWA providers have already made investments into WiMax systems but are being held back by the lack of fibre and by Comreg as I already explained.

This is Ireland, it won't be a stop gap. It will be left like that as it suits all concerned except the consumer.

It's fibre from the start or nothing. No stop gaps.

bk wrote: »

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Frankly this idea of the wisps suing the government over the NBP is ridiculous. It is like candle makers suing the government over the electrification of rural Ireland.

Frankly it is completely indefensible.

Did you miss my post?:eek:

bk wrote: »

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FTTH for every person in Ireland has always been the dream. We now have a once in a life time opportunity to do it right. We have just one chance here to for once do the right thing and truly eliminate the urban/rural divide.

I wholeheartedly agree.

I just wanted to clear up the false reports of WISPs suing the DCENR.

Hope the Universal service obligation gets updated to make sure everyone has broadband proper

I'd like to know what spectrum could be used beyond 3.6 GHz in Ireland, realistically, for fixed wireless access. Let's rule out the ISM and 5 GHz unlicenced bands. They'll be able to do feck all with just 3.6, as watty illustrated there.

fergus1001 wrote: »

Site serv (controversial AF) got the Siro instalation contract

what that mean?

More than 1 company has won the installation contract btw.

melonstar wrote: »

More than 1 company has won the installation contract btw.

And who are they?

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/over-300000-rural-homes-to-benefit-From-fibre-Broadband-31277270.html so there 3000,000 homes getting FTTH yes people FTTH sadly I'm not one of them .That means the NBP 460,000 now let hope our government doesn't screw the rest of us still hoping on ESB and Vodafone do something like this haha.It great new for people getting this they deserve this wait so long for good broadband now i just have to wait for god knows how long.ps if anyone could list the county with the town that be great.

murphaph wrote: »

Wow. That's a serious escalation.

yea I know check the government Map and some of these area doesn't not even come up on it which is strange.It is strange Eircom doing this fair play to them but let hope this doesn't screw up NBP for the rest of us knowing our government.

Is there a map of the updated areas they are planning on covering?

About 4km from local exchange that's due to be upgraded to fttc early next year.

Should I be getting excited?

I can't see ESB and Vodafone doing the same but still think there best for NBP with there open access siro for rural Ireland ,but think Eircom would be also good let just hope wireless company don't get any of it because be left with rural divide again one with FTTH and other fixed wireless.

It should also brings forward the finish date for the NBP.

Amazing that ESB/Vodafone/Siro started all this FTTH talk, and now it's eircom that's driving the bus

rob808 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/over-300000-rural-homes-to-benefit-From-fibre-Broadband-31277270.html so there 3000,000 homes getting FTTH yes people FTTH sadly I'm not one of them .That means the NBP 460,000 now let hope our government doesn't screw the rest of us still hoping on ESB and Vodafone do something like this haha.It great new for people getting this they deserve this wait so long for good broadband now i just have to wait for god knows how long.ps if anyone could list the county with the town that be great.

Bah! Not coming near me either ...

This is some move by Eircom though - could it be their counter to the Siro plan for the additional 300 towns?

PeadarB wrote: »

If they are prepared to bring fibre to Tamney up in Fanad in Donegal they will bring it anywhere in the country, more power to them. This is a whole new ball game.

But they won't bring fibre 4 miles further north to where I live Can't even get basic DSL from Eircom.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

On the other hand Eircom are making the NBP areas even less commercially viable by taking lightly populated areas/small villages out of the NBP, leaving only the very remote for NBP.

This will increase the cost of Siro providing fibre to those premises as they won't have the numbers of connections they might have been counting on when doing their estimates on ROI.

This seems to me to be a bold move by Eircom to reduce the attractiveness of NBP involvement by their competition.

It also means that Eircom will have fibre closer to those NBP areas that are left in the plan, which should make it even less costly for Eircom to provide the fibre there.

In short I think Eircom have pulled a great stroke commercially.

The list shows the names of exchanges, not all the areas served by them. And the exchanges eircom picked are some of the more remote and smallest exchanges in the country! I mean Kilsharvan in Co. Meath serves like 27 lines and is surrounded by other exchanges which also serve many more than 27 rural households who can't currently get efibre. The kilsharvan RSU was connected by a fibre ATM connection I think, about 15 years ago. They'd have to replace the backhaul for the area and in so doing, pass lots of houses which aren't in the rollout. Bizarre stuff.

Only a tiny minority of rural lines in Louth will benefit too. Eircom seem to be targeting particularly small exchanges and indeed ones with no existing DSL. It makes no sense to me really.

Edit: the more I think about it, the more I reckon they might be targeting areas with inadequate copper plant and where cabling may have had to be replaced or have high fault rates, like in Clare with 21 exchanges selected and having suffered major storm damage. I'm surprised 300,000 will benefit considering very few posters here have reported being included in this announcement.

lucernarian wrote: »

The list shows the names of exchanges, not all the areas served by them. And the exchanges eircom picked are some of the more remote and smallest exchanges in the country! I mean Kilsharvan in Co. Meath serves like 27 lines and is surrounded by other exchanges which also serve many more than 27 rural households who can't currently get efibre. The kilsharvan RSU was connected by a fibre ATM connection I think, about 15 years ago. They'd have to replace the backhaul for the area and in so doing, pass lots of houses which aren't in the rollout. Bizarre stuff.

Only a tiny minority of rural lines in Louth will benefit too. Eircom seem to be targeting particularly small exchanges and indeed ones with no existing DSL. It makes no sense to me really.

Edit: the more I think about it, the more I reckon they might be targeting areas with inadequate copper plant and where cabling may have had to be replaced or have high fault rates, like in Clare with 21 exchanges selected and having suffered major storm damage. I'm surprised 300,000 will benefit considering very few posters here have reported being included in this announcement.

You could be on to something here.

Of the listed exchanges for Mayo, the one closest to me (Glenisland) is currently wirelessly back hauled.

It would make sense for them to add fibre and then call it part of their rural plan.

murphaph wrote: »

rob man, sho some optimism. Eircom (the legacy telco who couldn't even provide dial up to many urban areas a decade ago) are going to roll out FTTH as a commercial venture to places that aren't even on many maps. There is no bad news here. If these tiny places can get it, everyone can get it. Eircom must have learned a lot from Belcara.

I can't really fathom their selections. The ones in Meath, like Lobinstown, make a fair bit of sense. Copper is sparse on the ground, pairgains still used and they still have some pairgain-like tech for some of the lines at the edge of the exchange area because the lines are too damn long!

But it's a one-handed clap from me and for the only exchange area selected in Louth:(

And why was Kilsharvan in Meath selected?! It's one of the earliest RSUs and serves like 27 houses. Less than 100 hectares total area going by eircom wholesale. Duleek, Donore Road and Julianstown all surround it and no FTTH planned for those exchanges yet?! Unless Donore Road is included as part of "Drogheda", and they extend FTTH to that entire exchange area.

The more I look at the places selected, the more I wonder if these are places that have high uptake of fixed wireless providers or mobile internet providers at eircom's expense. There would be many people in the Lobinstown area for instance using Net1, and in Readypenny, people might use Net1 or Digiweb as there's no DSL available. At least they get some revenue out of those on 1 Mbit amber lines.

As patterns go:

An exchange with normal fibre backhaul in the list: Tullyvin, Co. Cavan (The link from Cootehill to Cavan town). Also Tamney, Co. Donegal.
An exchange with wireless link backhaul (no DSL): Rossnoulty, Co. Tipperary
An exchange probably with wireless backhaul (DSL present): Tullynahinera, Co. Monaghan.

I don't know what makes Rossnoulty stand out more than the likes of Hackballscross in Louth, except fewer lines if anything and even further away from existing fibre backhaul! Tamney in Co. Donegal has some of the longest copper lines in the State, especially near the bridge to nowhere over Sheep Haven at around 11 km. If eircom used the bridge to nowhere for phone lines, much of that area could get DSL but it's rare when eircom connect people to different exchanges.